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Miniatures Adventure => Age of Myths, Gods and Empires => Topic started by: pacarat on December 18, 2017, 08:42:54 PM
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Table from my initial attempt at an ice age mammoth hunt. Rules were a combo of commercial and homebrew. Not very happy with the rule results, so going to look at the Palaeo Diet set.
(http://i.imgur.com/8BZM7AP.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/R2jxs5l.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/03y2e7d.jpg)
A good pic showing original adult models (L and R flanks) and converted/repositioned heads, necks, and trunks on center three.
(http://i.imgur.com/4ngWSfn.jpg)
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Well, maybe you weren't convinced by the rules you used, but this is a spectacular-looking table!
Those mammoths are absolutely fantastic and the rocky terrain is perfect.
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Wow. What a mammoth table! Excuse the pun, but that just looks great!!! :o
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This looks really interesting, do you have a story to go with the pictures?
Can you tell me who makes the animals, the deer, the horses, and the mammoths, there appear to be two different calves one larger than the other!
Nice looking table, post a game when you have played PD.
Cheers
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Great work on those figures and terrain, especially the mammoths. You gotta find a set of rules that gives a good game.
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thanks for all the pos feedback.
The game shown was one I ran at Historicon three years ago.
It was a basic hunt the beast scenario each player started with a 5-6 hunter band along with a couple of companion dogs each.
Beasts starting on table were mammoths, megaloceros, and horses. I had random events - wind change, storm/calm, earthquakes, or random animals arriving on table (aurochs, woolly rhino, wild wolf pack, elasmotherium).
Also had some apex predators (cave bears, cave lions) hidden in their lairs which were located in the rocky areas. Any figure getting within a certain range of a lair activated that predator.
Mammoths are from a variety of sources - I have four sizes to represent adults down to very young calves.
Large / adults from safari ltd, (heavily converted using GS for varied neck and truck poses)
Medium / young adults from Hobby Lobby resin christmas ornaments (stock) from about three or four years back.
Smaller baby/yearlings from safari ltd baby mammoths (stock)
Baby/infant mammoths (not shown) from mojo minis (about half the size of smallest mammoths shown above)
All mammoths have been repainted and based on custom shaped mdf.
Large deer (megaloceros) are metal figs from acheson creations
Horses are repainted zebras from mojo minis.
Dogs are old ral partha era goblin wolf rider mounts.
I'll try to get some group photos taken and posted.
Back to this particular game...I had run some playtests prior to going to the con, but made some last minute changes that weren't the best for a con game, in that they slowed down some of the turn sequence actions... I was pulled away for two long business trips in the month before the con, so didn't get as much testing in as I would have liked. Aah well, live and learn.
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Excellent work.
Table and mammoths look great.
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Thanks for the info much appreciated.
I have just bought 2 DeeZee Mammoths they are about 3" to the top of their head, do you know how the Safari ones scale to that? You have made a good job with the neck conversions on yours.
I have seen the Acheson megaloceros and they look very nice but I haven't found a UK source, I may have to go into the import business. Zebras repainted is a good idea, I will have to look at that.
Thanks again
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That looks bloody brilliant! Great minis and table. Exactly why I come to LAF.
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That is a superb set up. :o
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Super looking table.
Hope you find a set of rules you like.
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Thanks, all.
The stock pose measures 4" to top of head, body is 3" long from root of tail to nape of neck under chin, and just shy of 3" high at hump on back. They might be a tad overscale for 28mm, but they are imposing on the table... :-)
The fact that they are some kind of plastic and are easily cut / modified is worth the slight scale discrepancy. I can't imagine effort to modify a bunch of metal models.
I use the two bellowing stock models as bulls, and the rest (all modified) as cows.
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Thanks Pacarat, it sounds like they may not scale too well with the DeeZee ones, oh well
They look good against each other
Cheers
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Wonderful looking table and miniatures!
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That game looks epic. Fantastic stuff.
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Very great table game. :-*
Can't wait to see close up pictures of your animals.
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That looks an epic game. Love the combination of sizes for the mammoth herds and the overall look of the game. Very very good.
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Appreciate the feedback, thanks.
Here's some random close ups. The bases are color coded using flowers to match a cow with her calf. This helps during the game, as I have some tweaks for mothers reacting to immediate/direct danger to their calves.
(http://i.imgur.com/tuy5d5g.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/PasrcxL.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/U8SxWfy.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/eInxMkh.jpg)
And now a couple of shots of the baby mammoth.
Before and after. Head was cut and repositioned, adult tusks cut/stunted, and greenstuff added to reshape body to make it look less like an adult. I was pleased with result.
(http://i.imgur.com/SxzPERb.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/wa8ASNX.jpg)
And now the youngsters...
L to R : x1 Conversion from above; x2 Safari Ltd juveniles; x3 resin christmas ornaments
(http://i.imgur.com/eFJOIKR.jpg)
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What a wonderful set up.
The table looks great and your collection of beasties is superb.
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Many thanks for all the info regarding the critturs as I have gotten myself a copy of Palaeo Diet, which looks like a fun game, and intend to start my own collection once my OGAM stuff is done.
I shall be referring back here for reference and inspiration, that is for sure!
:)
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An impressive herd when seen close together, it looks good and the sizes work well as does the fact that you have differing manufacturers figures mixed in harmoniously.
I like the flower idea and the mother calf relationship having an impact on the game mechanics.
Thanks for the post
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This is one of my projects that actually turned out better than what I thought it might be when I first had thoughts of doing some Ice Age gaming. It helps to have a variety of resources to work with.
Here's some more animals.
Woolly Rhino and Elasmothrium:
(https://i.imgur.com/GxY5aL5.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/5E8xTz4.jpg)
Megaloceros:
(https://i.imgur.com/hPHUAWF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/qM09h0z.jpg)
Miscellaneous beasts:
Buffalo, Bison, Horses, Cave Bears, Saber Tooth, Cave Lions, Wolves, and Hyenas
(https://i.imgur.com/Ei1tS7i.jpg)
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AWESOME!!! :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Some great stuff to be shamelessly stolen inspiring ideas there, thank you very much for sharing! ;)
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And talking about mamooths, I thought it may be interesting for comparison:
(http://img11.deviantart.net/d5b0/i/2016/051/7/b/on_display_6_by_kenobirob-d9sfzyq.jpg)
Back Row: 2013 CollectA Deinotherium, 2009 Papo Woolly Mammoth, MPC blue Woolly Mammoth, 2003 Schleich Woolly Mammoth, 2004 Carnegie Woolly Mammoth.
Front Row: 2005 w/s Woolly Mammoth and Baby, 2005 Schleich baby Woolly Mammoth, 2006 Amebelodon, 2015 Mojo Woolly Mammoth mini
Source: http://dinotoyblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=4403.0 (http://dinotoyblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=4403.0)
And a Papo Vs. Schleich Comparing Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmWiL-4lc_k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmWiL-4lc_k)
And some real scale comparison:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/bc/f6/37/bcf6378b25618f4ba7fe792d945de54f.jpg)
(http://www.prehistoric-wildlife.com/images/species/m/mammuthus-columbi-columbian-mammoth-size.jpg)
(http://www.prehistoric-wildlife.com/images/species/m/mammuthus-trogontherii-steppe-mammoth-size.jpg)
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AWESOME!!! :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Some great stuff to be shamelessly stolen inspiring ideas there, thank you very much for sharing! ;)
No worries... "adopting" techniques is a huge part of why I hang out here on LAF. Way too many cool ideas which eventually impact my wallet and available storage space... :o
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And talking about mamooths, I thought it may be interesting for comparison:
<snip>
Wow, those are some big Woollies... :)
I have the 1st, 2nd and 5th from front row.
Which reminds me I need to post a pic of the Safari Ltd models next to humans for scale comparison.
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I'll 2nd that WOW!!!
Dynohunter - you are the man o_o o_o
pacarat - an amazing collection, I don't suppose you would have the time to label the animals with the manufacturers?
That would be really helpful.
Originally I was thinking this would just be an inexpensive side show but the more I see the better it gets. Oh and also the more expensive it gets as well :'( :'(
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Originally I was thinking this would just be an inexpensive side show but the more I see the better it gets. Oh and also the more expensive it gets as well :'( :'(
Me too!
This was how my Strange Aeons project began......
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These are terrific. Currently trying to resist the temptation to produce pre-historic vegetation, and these don't help!
Al
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Me too!
This was how my Strange Aeons project began......
You had better see the bank manager now. ;)
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Ha! I think we are all susceptible to a variety of rabbit holes...
Happy to share and see the comments coming back.
For the assorted mammals shown above:
Woolly Rhinos: Deezee Miniatures and Acheson Creations (metal and resin)
Elasmotherium: Deezee Miniatures (metal)
Megaloceros: Acheson Creations (metal two poses available)
Black (water) buffaloes: Mojo Minis (plastic)
Bison: Old Glory (metal)
Horses: Mojo Minis (plastic)
Dire Wolves: North Star? (not sure) (metal)
Cats: Reaper, Iron Wind, Ral Partha (metal)
Hyenas: Iron Wind (I think) (metal)
For big cats, wolves, and hyenas, there are a variety of sources - too many to list.
Acheson is only one that does the Megaloceros (that I know of)
For Bison there are also several sources.
Horses - could use a zebra model, but modern zebras are smaller then Pleistocene horses. I like the Mojo Minis Zebras repainted as horses, they are a bit larger than a 28mm horse, and fits my impression of that ice age species. (Got to have that stiff mane, so modern horses will not work.)
So looking at additional / eligible animals:
Aurochs - Eureka has a nice family set (bull, cow and calf) - I have a couple sets in the pain queue.
Giant Sloth - Toobs does one, but is smallish, so would work as a juvenile. Reaper I think is doing one on the current Bones KS.
Reindeer - I just picked up some of Eureka's models
That's all I can think of at the moment, I probably have more stuff in my Ice Age animals box.
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Which reminds me I need to post a pic of the Safari Ltd models next to humans for scale comparison.
That would be great, thank you in advance! ;)
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Ha! I think we are all susceptible to a variety of rabbit holes...
Happy to share and see the comments coming back.
For the assorted mammals shown above:
Woolly Rhinos: Deezee Miniatures and Acheson Creations (metal and resin)
Elasmotherium: Deezee Miniatures (metal)
Megaloceros: Acheson Creations (metal two poses available)
Black (water) buffaloes: Mojo Minis (plastic)
Bison: Old Glory (metal)
Horses: Mojo Minis (plastic)
Dire Wolves: North Star? (not sure) (metal)
Cats: Reaper, Iron Wind, Ral Partha (metal)
Hyenas: Iron Wind (I think) (metal)
For big cats, wolves, and hyenas, there are a variety of sources - too many to list.
Acheson is only one that does the Megaloceros (that I know of)
For Bison there are also several sources.
Horses - could use a zebra model, but modern zebras are smaller then Pleistocene horses. I like the Mojo Minis Zebras repainted as horses, they are a bit larger than a 28mm horse, and fits my impression of that ice age species. (Got to have that stiff mane, so modern horses will not work.)
So looking at additional / eligible animals:
Aurochs - Eureka has a nice family set (bull, cow and calf) - I have a couple sets in the pain queue.
Giant Sloth - Toobs does one, but is smallish, so would work as a juvenile. Reaper I think is doing one on the current Bones KS.
Reindeer - I just picked up some of Eureka's models
That's all I can think of at the moment, I probably have more stuff in my Ice Age animals box.
Thanks a lot, that's very good of you and also very helpful
Cheers
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Here's some mods I did for some of my hunters.
Left: Reaper - these two are from "caveman dragging woman" blister; I separated the figures and added the spears.
Right: Ral Partha - added some flames
(http://i.imgur.com/EPzYJyw.jpg)
Left: Copplestone Cave Women - added some PG rated furs
Right: Reaper - added flames and repositioned one arm.
(http://i.imgur.com/gUE0H70.jpg)
Finished products, pics not the best- a little off in color balance and overexposed...
Reaper:
(http://i.imgur.com/mI9i3Ik.jpg)
Copplestone:
(http://i.imgur.com/VrPYkkH.jpg)
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Very nice collection.
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:-* :-* :-* Super hunting board game here paracat.... I can't wait to see more progress ...many inspirational ideas....and gorgeous variety of animals... I can imagine myself hunting on a board like that!!! ;D
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WTF you added fur bikinis to the cavegirls?!?!?! :o :o :o :o :o
Besides that, very nice conversions, specially the Reaper ones!
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aaaahh, the Coppelstone's cave women :-*
great result on these beauties too ! ;)
Eric
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Did someone mention Raquel Welch.....? I really hope so.... :D
Doug
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Did someone mention Raquel Welch.....? I really hope so.... :D
No tribe of mammoth hunters is complete without Lovely Raquel! :-*
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WTF you added fur bikinis to the cavegirls?!?!?! :o :o :o :o :o
Besides that, very nice conversions, specially the Reaper ones!
I'm with Dino on this one ;) but you did a good job if it had to be done. :'(
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Awesome! I must own all of this!
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Looks just wonderful and for sure off the beaten path! 8)
Christopher
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Appreciate all the comments. Glad to see the interest in this thread.
Yes, I really did tweak a few of the Copplestone gals. Not to worry, though, I have two more sets (au naturale) in the painting queue... :D
I'm always looking to minimize duplication of figures, and it is much easier to add than remove (not that there was that much available to remove here...hmmm... let me think about this for a bit.) 8)
Speaking of Raquel, I'll have to review my figures and see if I can come up with something to match that classic pose of hers, and try model some furs to match.
Open invitation to any LAFers passing through Colorado, happy to host a gaming session.
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The tribe, which they called The Tribe...
Figures from Pulp Figures, Copplestone and Reaper.
Still have characters (chief, shaman, old women, children, etc.) to finish up.
(http://i.imgur.com/m1fO0LX.jpg)
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Very well done. :-* :-* :-*
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AWESOME! :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
I like very much your color palette!
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No wonder you need so many mammoths, with so many hunters to feed!
Fantastic job on this project!
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The tribe, which they called The Tribe...
lol lol lol
You have 35 tribes men and women although if I'm counting right only 5 of these are women.
I don't see much future for them in the procreating race. The small amount of reading I've done seems to imply that certainly Neanderthal women had the same sort of broken bone damage the men had, so the conclusion is they hunted as a mixed group, I think the figure manufacturers are missing out here.
Looking forward to your continuing adventures in the Neolithic age.
Cheers
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I think that you are a very bad influence, Vagabond, old bean.
I mean, you have just given the poor chap a valid excuse for purchasing even more cavewoman, haven't you...?
;)
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Errrrr - yes :D
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Thanks all, appreciate the feedback. I'm happy to read both the serious and the humorous responses.
Still have another two dozen unpainted males, split between the three main mfgrs. My projects tend take on a life of their own, so quantity creep is a common occurrence. ::) I'm always on the hunt for bargains, and will pick up dupe figures for customization, so that doesn't help either.
Regarding the balance of the sexes, I got this going for me.
(http://i.imgur.com/IvSJShy.jpg)
Two sets of Copplestone will be painted as is, but with a mix of weapons. The last set will serve for customization. I do agree there could be more actively posed females.
And the male hunters say - "what's taking so long?"
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Regarding the balance of the sexes, I got this going for me.
(http://i.imgur.com/IvSJShy.jpg)
Two sets of Copplestone will be painted as is, but with a mix of weapons. The last set will serve for customization. I do agree there could be more actively posed females.
And the male hunters say - "what's taking so long?"
Great choice of minis!
The Tin Man cavegirl is an amazing sculpt! :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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The small amount of reading I've done seems to imply that certainly Neanderthal women had the same sort of broken bone damage the men had, so the conclusion is they hunted as a mixed group, I think the figure manufacturers are missing out here.
Vagabond, as far as I can see, in Palaeo Diet the starting scenario needs only 4 hunters - so the Copplestone Cavewomen pack is just perfect for this! ;)
What to say about a ruleset that encourages us to slaughter defenseless furry animal and play with half naked girls in the wild? OMG, I MUST BUY THIS!!! lol lol lol lol lol
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Your painted tribesmen look wonderfully scruffy, and love the mammoths coded by flower colour. Loving this thread! Must resist new project...
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BTW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIxnTi4GmCo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIxnTi4GmCo)
(https://i2.wp.com/teaser-trailer.com/wp-content/uploads/Alpha-movie.jpg?ssl=1)
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What to say about a ruleset that encourages us to slaughter defenseless furry animal and play with half naked girls in the wild?
I thought you did this every weekend.
Interesting movie clip as well, the Neolithic is catching on.
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I thought you did this every weekend.
The girls part more than every weekend, but the hunting part (European wild boar) only in the winter months! :D
Interesting movie clip as well, the Neolithic is catching on.
Paleolithic, isn't it? :D
Hard to resist that trend anyway! Planning to buy the Palaeo Diet rules just to try a mammoth hunt with my Moderns/Sci-Fi crew... using the herd of Papo mammoths someone left for me under that stupid pine tree in the living room! ;D
EDIT: And the alternative paleo hunters are already painted! ;)
(https://images.brickset.com/sets/images/8805-5.jpg)
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Regarding the balance of the sexes, I got this going for me.
pacarat, who makes the lovely lady with the oversized spear? Thanks in advance! ;)
EDIT: AAAAAH! Reaper without the tiger, right?! lol
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pacarat, who makes the lovely lady with the oversized spear? Thanks in advance! ;)
EDIT: AAAAAH! Reaper without the tiger, right?! lol
yep...
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yep...
Thanks!
You did a great job on the realignment of the head and arm! ;)
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BTW:
WURM - Roleplaying in the Ice Age is a bestselling French RPG now in its English version, full of useful information, intriguing concepts, inspiring reflections and great ideas for "palaeo games":
http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/196205/Wurm--Roleplaying-in-the-Ice-Age-Wurm (http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/196205/Wurm--Roleplaying-in-the-Ice-Age-Wurm)
(http://www.drivethrurpg.com/images/3020/196205.jpg)
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Thanks!
You did a great job on the realignment of the head and arm! ;)
Thanks, but can't take credit for that - I got the figure second hand.
Your painted tribesmen look wonderfully scruffy, and love the mammoths coded by flower colour. Loving this thread! Must resist new project...
Thanks! Once in a while I come up with a good idea... I did this once before on my 15mm Brit Airborne for Market-Garden - the stands in each platoon had a unique color scheme.