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Miniatures Adventure => Colonial Adventures => Topic started by: gringo on December 28, 2017, 03:53:59 PM
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Gents (and Helen) Gringo40s will be expanding their exsisting ranges
considerably ie Garibaldi and the Maximillian Adventure....but to
compliment our New Opium Wars range I have commissioned troops
and enemies for the French campaign in Dahomey in 1892 and the follow
up campaign in Madagascar in 1895...the first campaign is thrilling to
read about with gunbosts ..six foot high grass...and best of all the legendary Dahomay Amazons the likes of which the French had never faced..Madagascar was as exotic though not so healthy for the French ..with the French foreign legion featuring heavily in both campaigns....Tonkin campaign is well underway as well part two of the master plan!! :D
I hope this new proves of interest to all the LAF readers/experts/and pundits. ;) regards Ged
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Nice illustration for the Madagascar campaign French Native auxillieries
regards
Ged
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maybe should have posted this in the FAR EAST section....mmm :)
guess its the same thing ish! :D
cheers
Ged
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Very interesting and love the picture of the auxillieries!!
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Fantastic! I have the old Dixon Dahomey range and it was always too small to do much with. Really need more Amazons! Looking forward to see what you come up with...
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Jambo 1 and axabrax cheers chaps :D
regards
Ged
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Another interesting print.............
cheers
Ged
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very interesting !!!!!
that opens a fantastic new theater ...French in Sub Saharian Africa..(AOF-AEF)
the tirailleurs sénégalais are very useful..in fact they participated in every possible campaign of the the 3rd Republic...they can even be fielded vs Tuaregs, Dervishes, Toucoleurs, Rabah slavers, Azande, Cote d'Ivoire rebels and, in a realist "what if" scenario vs the Anglo - Egyptians for the possess of Fachoda...
but from practically all accounts i read they campaigned, contrary to popular newspaper plates, barefoot or in sandals...the image with serouals or blue trousers, white leggings and boots could be associated only to the parade in Champs Elysées with Comandant Marchand after Fachoda...Africans did'nt like boots!
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italwars
thanks for your splendid input..these troops are a favourite
of mine...in real life some were pretty merciless...a porter
who stumbled in the Madagascar campaign was run through
by one.the officer when complained to by a French doctor said
ignore them they were a bit "queer lot in their ways¬) gulp!
still they held their own with the French foreign legion and French
Marine infantry...........another interesting print attached
cheers
Ged
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you have been very Busy
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juergen
you could say that.....even busier next year...week rather!! ;)
nice print :D
regards
Ged
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Crossover prints Tonkin and Madagascar.........nice.......
cheers
Ged
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Hi Ged,
Have you read "Our Friends Beneath the Sands" by Martin Windrow? Lots of material on all of the legions campaigns including those in indochina, Madagascar and Dahomey. Brilliant book.
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AAARGH! Stop putting up uniform pictures! It's starting to suck me in......
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Would the French troopers wear gaiters or have the pant legs as shown in the Soldier picture?
These troops look like they will may work for Adowa Italians...what do you think?
Gringo -would you be able to get multi pose sculpts..perhaps 8 variants for the troopers for skirmish gaming variation please ;)
(https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-de4e9b02862bee42bdbfd53a7c906bf6)
HW
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Emir
I have the book its a splendid tome Windrow knows his legion! :D
Vodkafan..........cant help myself ! ;)
the Madagascar uniforms were in tatters by the time
the Island was conquered.....looking at ways to cover this
Happy Wanderer............
cheers chaps
Ged
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“....looking at ways to cover this Happy Wanderer”
Well, that is indeed very good news :D
I shall watch this one closely.
Cheers HW
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This French Artist Louis Blombled painted various scenes to illustrate a book on Madagascar Campaign
https://www.google.it/search?biw=1280&bih=703&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=gElIWt2fMsGbsAeJpZDwAQ&q=Louis+Bombled+Madagascar&oq=Louis+Bombled+Madagascar&gs_l=psy-ab.3...109744.114915.0.115897.11.11.0.0.0.0.88.702.11.11.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.XAPPIaKg6p0
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Italwars
what a superb reference source...........good man!!
many thanks :o :-* :o :-*
best regards
Ged
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French soldat Dahomey.................
cheers
Ged
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Another fascinating print from the First Franco-Hova war period
cheers
Ged
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Great news.
At least, some french colonial troops in the wargame world :-*
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Nervisfr
thanks for the thumbs up!
cheers
Ged
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(http://c7.alamy.com/comp/B0K8N4/the-capture-of-a-hova-camp-madagascar-1895-artist-henri-meyer-B0K8N4.jpg)
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Nervisfr
Le Petit Journal is a great source of inspiration
though for example the troops depicted had blue
jackets....but I love the vibrancy of all their plates
and they capture the period perfectly, great post thanks ;)
regards
Ged
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Does Osprey have any books dealing with French Colonial?
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Inkpaduta on the French Foreign legion are covered.......
cheers
Ged
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working on doing some "crossover !figures from Tonkin range
to this one,,,,,,,
:D
cheers
Ged
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Inkpaduta Osprey has another book about their colonies and its troops slighted to come out in late October.
French Naval & Colonial Troops 1872–1914
Just found it for Pre-order on Amazon.
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Cool, ,I will look into that. Thanks
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looking good on the Book front for this venture :D
regards
Ged
www.gringo40s.com
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Nice Madagascar campaign picture :D
cheers
Ged
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Ged,
Do you still plan on doing these ranges?
Mark
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Especially interested in the Dahomey range as there's a TV series announced about the Dahomey Amazons not to be released soon though, think they will start production this year.
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I also am very interested in Dahomey Wars as well as other West African campaigns. Archinard in West Sudan or Samori come to mind.
Mark
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Especially interested in the Dahomey range as there's a TV series announced about the Dahomey Amazons not to be released soon though, think they will start production this year.
i imagine what could we expect from such a TV series especially if produced in Hollywood....Dahomey Amazons fighting for women lib, Third World and environment....maybe their foes will bot be the Foreign Légion or Tirailleurs but harvey Weinstein in person :D
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i imagine what could we expect from such a TV series especially if produced in Hollywood....Dahomey Amazons fighting for women lib, Third World and environment....maybe their foes will bot be the Foreign Légion or Tirailleurs but harvey Weinstein in person :D
Guess it will be good as it's a partnership between Hollywood and Nollywood. With Nollywood being the biggest movie and television producer of the African continent based in Nigeria so think it will be alright.
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Guess it will be good as it's a partnership between Hollywood and Nollywood. With Nollywood being the biggest movie and television producer of the African continent based in Nigeria so think it will be alright.
In that case..no thanks...i've already experimented with that sort of anticolonialist hotchpotches amatorial moovies like the soporific "Lion of the Desert" or even worst "Capitaines des ténèbres"...better let's see again Four Feathers
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Mark
I do indeed :D
already started......................
cheers
Ged
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Mark
I do indeed :D
already started......................
cheers
Ged
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;D :D :D
Mark
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Dahomey...............in the mix!
regards
Ged
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Looking good. ;D :D
Mark
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Fascinating... :o
And since a long time I've also been expecting ranges of miniatures for another French colonial theatre in Africa: "Soudan occidental" (Western Sudan, = today Mali and surrounding areas).
There are surprising (and forgotten) books written by some officers and civilians who were there, on the BNF (French National Library) website, talking about adventures in Tombouctou, and from Sénégal to Bamako; pictures of "tata" (typical villages earth fortifications) and even the plans of a small boat built by French Navy officers in Bamako to explore the Niger river (the French could not start this from the sea because of geography and because Nigeria was a British colony).
I have some nice miniatures for this from Castaway Arts, but their range doesn't seem to expand any more. :(
A fortified "tata" in "Sénégal" (or more probably today Mali):
(https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/lookandlearn-preview/M/M221/M221280.jpg)
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nice to see someone has finally discovered the ubiquity of the french colonial uniforms and troops and their usefulness for historical wargaming.
Now that two (actually more) major miniature companies are competing in massively reproducing the british colonial world, it is getting a bit boring between Cape and Cairo. Or not? :D
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I've been interested in French operations in West Africa,Indochina and other areas for a long time (my Dutch -Aceh war also ;)). A good book is Conquest of the Western Sudan by A.S. Kanya-Forstner.
Mark
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thanks Chaps for the splendid input................ ;)
the more I delve deep into this era
the more fascinating it becomes!
cheers
Ged
www.gringo40s.com
one of my favourite Colonial units is in "in the mix"
see attached pic..............stunning looking unit
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regiment de spahis sénégalais ;)
(https://i37.servimg.com/u/f37/19/52/10/20/un000110.jpg)
(https://i37.servimg.com/u/f37/19/52/10/20/un000111.jpg)
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All,
I've always wondered why French Colonial did not get more widespread interest figure-wise, other than North Africa. I've always attributed it to "gamers only really care about Le Legion" and to hell with anything else. I've run a lot of games for my club for the lesser known French in Africa. For example, the French vs. Samori Toure is a major theatre to look into. Not a lot of info, and often if found it's in French. I have enough info for the 1892 Campaign against Samori, so stay tuned for a scenario book at some time (or possibly a series of articles in WI).
That said, the *Most* useful figures that can be made would be Tirailleurs Sénégalais as they were the major troops fighting in the various areas (and the Algerian Tirailleurs were used much more than Legion in North Africa as well). Therefore, I'm excited to see this new range (since Castaway Arts were the main company to make them initially). Great News!
Now, we need more Tonkin figures as well. :)
Regards,
Bob
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I agree.Very neglected area.
Mark
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I do sometimes find it a little puzzling when people are surprised that an industry largely based in the Anglophone world can be a bit Anglo-centric at times. It seems to me to be perfectly natural and what would be expected. But still people like to berate manufacturers and seem to feel it is England's job to populate the entire wargaming world, rather than, say, bemoaning why there aren't any French manufacturers that take an interest in their own history.
Here's the secret: You make super-cool figures, people will adopt the period simply because they love those figures and want to play with them. Just look at Darkest Africa. Who could have predicted that would be a thing, and would still be a thing all these years later?
Speaking of which, hopefully we will have some pictures of sculpts soon. Feels like this thread has been around forever, and we've seen little but pictures from Le Petit Journal so far.
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To be fair to the Anglophone (or Anglo-centric as Plynkes said) world, another reason for this disinterest is that most of these events are almost totally unknown by French people themselves (except those from western African origin I suppose).
I was very surprised some years ago when I found (on Gallica / BNF -French National Library- resources online website) books written by French officers and travellers of the time who took part in these events. Before that I had heard about Dahomey and Madagascar, but I had never heard about the conquest of Mali. These books reads like adventures of the same period in the Wild West, or British Africa, or Siberia...
One reason is certainly the overall attitude of French public opinion towards the country's military history and colonialism (Um I'm not giving any moral or political judgement here, just trying to analyze). There are lots of US films with cowboys Indians and cavalry, and British films where lads in red coats or khaki coats have problems with Mahdists, Boers, Zulus, and make friends with Gunga Din etc.
You don't have many such things in the French cinema, and without heroic movies (even badly-inspired...) you can't expect people to give much interest. Post-WW2 French film-makers would rather make films about WW2 and the Resistance. The war in Algeria 1954-62 probably also discouraged them to make adventure films about colonialism - a large part of the public opinion being strongly against it, and another part being sad of the loss of the colonies, there was not much other public to impress. ::)
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No multi parts please
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UNinterest
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thanks Chaps for the splendid input................ ;)
the more I delve deep into this era
the more fascinating it becomes!
cheers
Ged
www.gringo40s.com
one of my favourite Colonial units is in "in the mix"
see attached pic..............stunning looking unit
I have a couple of these from Castaway Arts.At last I'll hopefully have some brothers in arms to go with them.
Mark
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thanks for all the feedback and comments.,,
there will be plenty of figures for this range...
as Wellington was supposed to have said
as D,Erlons Corp tramped towards his lines
"this will take careful timing" in my case
planning ,as there were changes in French
Equipment form 1883-1892 , et all...……. :D
cheers
Ged
www.gringo40s.com
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Looking forward to seeing some Senegalese Spahis in production. I have some of them on foot, but would like to have a unit of mounted.
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and meharists ?
don't forget meharists
senegalese tirailleurs meharist sections ( quite active in Niger and Tchad ) and meharist suppletives ( goums ) ...
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thanks Chaps all comments noted and suggestions!
cheers
Ged
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interesting print of Dahomey higher Amazonian command..
cheers
Ged
www.gringo40s.com
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the amazing Amazons just commissioned :o :-* o_o :o 8) :-*
cheers
Ged
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Speaking of which, hopefully we will have some pictures of sculpts soon. Feels like this thread has been around forever, and we've seen little but pictures from Le Petit Journal so far.
This thread has been around for not even 6 months. I don't think we need to berate Ged for his output. Building up a range takes time, so surveying the customer base is not that bad an idea.
Especially when it is not about the traditional customer base's favourite topic, re-living the empire's glorious times. This is what sells in the end.
The appropriate metaphor here is football. Many claim to like the sports, but it turns out it is about their own team winning.
The Darkest Africa playground is very successful? yes
Dixon's Dahomey range has been around for ages, and Mike Owen is one of the prolific sculptors of the hobby. I have seen figures more "aged" than those.
If it were for good figures, you would see his Chasseurs d'Afrique unit more often on the table.
No, I think it is the gaming background of the figures that sells, not their sculpting quality. The sculpting quality might be what makes the difference when there are more competitors.
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Well, Ged is free to market his new range any way he wants, and I wish him every success with it, but his chosen method of continually teasing for six months without actually showing any product, not even a single green; just doesn't do it for me, I'm afraid. A five-page, six month thread about a range we still are yet to see anything of? That's kind of unprecedented. It may be intended to build anticipation, but it has the opposite effect on me. I think it would have had a bigger impact if he had waited until he had something to show. But that's just me.
No, I think it is the gaming background of the figures that sells, not their sculpting quality.
I disagree. I can't recall a poor range taking off and carving out a new fad. If Copplestone's Darkest Africa sculpts had been poor, we probably wouldn't still be playing with them today. Show me a range of dud sculpts that has sparked off a new sub-genre and I might change my mind.
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I totally agree with Plynkes last post I'm afraid,far too many teases :(
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your argument was that a good range always sells, no matter the topic
I argued against it, that it is the topic that sells, not the good range, and that the good range matters in competition.
If any good range would simply sell, everyone would game Mike Owen's excellent french colonial ranges, because they are good. Ever seen Artizan Chasseurs d'Afrique painted?
Now you are turning the argument around, that a bad range would never sell.
This was not my point.
but still, in the past we did have mediochre sculpted ranges that sold because of the topic. Who does still buy Old Glory 28mm?
No, they go for the new ones
As for the "teasing" - well how was the thing with the live and let live?
I don't see this as teasing - he is just focusing on the Tonkin range and testing the ground. Who can hold up against the massive Perry and Warlord output?
If you can't wait, there is still the excellent Dixon range. I thought we are grown-ups who can wait for their candy.
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Ithought we are grown_ups.
Indeed, but I don't see what that has to do with anything other than being a thinly-veiled insult. Please take your own advice and act like one.
You don't see it as teasing, fine. Other people clearly do, and they are free to express that. They aren't required to fall into line with the thoughts of our old friend the mighty Shere Khan.
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because I disagree with the mighty old Plynkes who has a productive comeback after so many years? ;)
I am just arguing for patience.
Ged had this pace from the start, we are not going to see a 4x6 Perry range. He goes for quality not for the mass market.
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Wow! That debate escalated quickly lol
Sorry I posted now ;D :)
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interesting input chaps...……...just to put a few things into perspective
the pace I work at is dictated by A) Being a one man band B) Having
some forward planning C)The reason for posting pictures in advance
id a simple one, IMHO it stimulates interest and encourages debate,
Tonkin is the launch pad for this era, in itself encompasses my Opium
Wars range as figures can be used for the Tonkin period.some Dahomey
sculpts will appear soon... :D 8) :-* :o
bottom line is its a fascinating Hobby and personally my input is purely
because im fascinated by this period and im unconcerned if its not a
commercial success ,but will do my best in my way
thanks for all input.. regards Ged Gringo40s
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I always thought of this thread- and similar ones by other manufacturers on here- in the spirit of Ged giving us a look-see into what he is thinking of and working on.
I never thought of it as an advert and it I am sure the intention is not to deliberately tease.
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Can’t wait to see the Amazons! Good things come to those who wait :)
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Ged has over 30 figures out for the Tonkin range so he is working to get figures out.After commissioning some figures my self just the sculpting process is expensive so unless your rich this stuff takes time.
Mark
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thanks Marco...…….good to see you working on your own range ;)
and to you Vodkafan...your tuned in buddy! :D
regards
Ged
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When did the general fusilier uniform change, I love the Legionaires you have brought out so far, and hope early period line infantry uniforms will suit both campaigns?
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as a good friend tells me, the uniform cut of the dress uniform is not the issue, this changed only in WW1.
There were basically two cuts, the regular with one row of buttons, the tunic, and the colonial style with two rows, the paletot. Also, there was the bourgeron in off white, kind of a garrison dress that used to be dyed in Africa. The navy, who were administtrative for all territories outside North Africa, would regulate and supply the uniforms. Duriing the end of the 19th C, the navy experimented with a lot of colours for the tropical uniform (based on the cut of the tunic), from white, over shades of blue up to the 1910 khaki.
The uniform worn in the respective territory depended very much on the climate. So the bourgeron and tunic would work for all territories (painted in the respective colour), while the paletot only as dress uniform for the troupes de marine/ troupes coloniales.
I have no clue if the paletot cut existed in tropical cloth.
The respective Osprey books by Martin Windrow are the source. I haven't read them, so might be misrepresenting hearsay.
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thanks for the uniform info chaps...………..
as if by magic some Amazons are
en route!!
picture of first lady attached
based on some new info and
every account i can lay my hands
on
cheers
Ged
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and another view of these illustrious warriors :o :D ;) :) :-* o_o 8)
regards
Ged
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and another Dahomey Amazon :D
cheers
Ged
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and another view of her :)
cheers
Ged
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more commissioned...……..
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Excellent sculptors Ged
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Hurrah! Looking the business, there, Ged.
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thanks plynkes staring to come together :D
cheers Geoff
regards
Ged
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Very nice Ged.
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thank you Helen pleased you like them :D
regards
Ged
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Most excellent, will be certainly be picking some up when there are more variants available. I know that purchases now are needed but I'm one of those fellows who needs at least enough variants for an eight men unit.
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Belgian
many thanks indeed
your wishes will come true
on this front! :D
cheers
Ged
www.gringo40s.com
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Oops!
Havn't checked in for a few days,nice sculpts,a bit like buses,don't see one for ages,then two turn up at once ;) :)
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Romark
many thanks
theres a fleet of buses en route lol!! ;)
regards
Ged
www.gringo40s.com
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Belgian
many thanks indeed
your wishes will come true
on this front! :D
cheers
Ged
www.gringo40s.com
Great news!
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:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
pour Belgian!
cheers
Ged
www.gringo40s.com
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Fantastique!
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Formidable! ;D
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more Amazons nearly finished...…….. :o :-* o_o :D ;) :) :o :o :o :o 8) :-*
cheers
Ged
www.gringo40s.com
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one more valiant Dahomey amazon......
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
cheers
Ged
www.gringo40s.com
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Looking excellent, how many more warriors are you releasing?
And when will these become available?
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Belgian as many as I can ...a mould full :D
as to release date as soon as im able
6 weeks or less...……
cheers
Ged
www.gringo40s.com
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Will be picking some up then ;)
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I can't find the Dahomey range on your HP...
Also, the link structure seems to be a bit arbitrary.
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the Dahomey range is a work in progress...………
no figures on site at present
cheers
Ged
www.gringo40s.com
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I really look forward to expanding my Dahomy collection.
I would like to see some stand out characters (I am building a Congo force, losely based on the Dahomy Amazon Women).
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Hello, even if you may know these illustrations and photos of amazons, I bring my stone to the building for the constitution of these fierce warriors and their king "Behanzin" that the French soldiers had nicknamed "Bec in zinc" .
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/932/28856457427_ce790cb776_c.jpg)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1833/43076180504_8f01743d3d_m.jpg)
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/933/29922427528_cefa208097_m.jpg)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1820/28856433017_be1ef8db70_m.jpg)
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/942/28856415317_1f6582b6a6_m.jpg)
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/941/29922383598_35c939716a_m.jpg)
Cheers!!
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Ged,
Even if you have already been told and reiterated, a big thank you to be interested in this great epic that was the French colonial period that has nothing to envy to that of England.
Without exaggeration, would it be possible to create a figurine one day to represent the Commander Marchand, the French hero of Fachoda? I know that this period is moving away from that of Dahomey and Tonkin but it would be great to see a figurine with his effigy and see him on a wargame table.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1799/29922463418_1ccb6a4686_m.jpg)
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/942/29922472718_f7d25fa03a_m.jpg)
Merci Monsieur, au Capitaine mon Capitaine...
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I second that on the Marchand figu
re.Mangin was with him also. lol
Mark
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Gents
thank you one and all...………. ;)the Marchand figure sounds interesting
I am casting my figure net wide on this range so there will be some Amazonian specials and hopefully plenty of interesting characters. all imput requests welcomed!
cheers
Ged
www.gringo40s.com
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Have you thought about doing an elephant gun crew? 2 figures with a big gun & stand. Kind of like Chinese Jingals.
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hello
probably already known but there is this great source on line..images are small but acceptable for our purpose of painting 28mm minis
Fond Boisselier 3 (for Africa and Tonkin)
http://lasabretache.fr/fonds-boisselier-3/
Fond Boisselier 4 (especially for Africa)
http://lasabretache.fr/fonds-boisselier-4-2/
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italwars
great post...most informative :o :D ;) :-*
many thanks
regards
Ged
www.gringo40s.com
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Hi Ged - just for curiosity - how are things proceeding?
Can't wait to see the whole amazon range, plus I assume a lot of the Tonkin figures will be useful for Dahomey.
Will you also produce Tirailleurs Senegalais? I am hearing these are rather rare in the 28mm universe.
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Hi gringo.
I’m very pleased to discover here the previews of your amazon range and the great work done so far.
The Dahomey campaign is one of my future wargaming project, so i wait impatiently the release of your great miniatures. ;)
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thanks Chaps..flat out on Tonkin
and backfilling other ranges...
all progressing well :D
cheers
Ged
www.gringo40s.com
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Full steam ahead Ged. lol
Mark
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cheers Mark :D
im at Ramming speed ...can you hear the drums lol lol
regards
Ged
www.gringo40s.com
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Yes I can! lol lol
Mark
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lol lol
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Ged,
I know Tonkin is coming out in a big way right now
but do you have any updates on the Dahomey range?
Mark
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Any updates ?
Mark
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not yet young Mark
im fully stretched with Tonkin
and backfilling Garibaldi range :D
cheers
Ged
www.gringo40s.com
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That's ok.I have enough to keep me busy. :D
Mark
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Slightly out of topic, but for inspiration...
The Élysée (office of the president of France) said today that statues taken by the French army in 1892 in the royal palace of Abomey, which are kept in a museum in Paris, will be given back to Bénin.
(https://media.ouest-france.fr/v1/pictures/32f30efbdbe2de6c10680d92eaede8d5-art-africain-la-france-va-restituer-26-oeuvres-reclamees-par-le-benin.jpg)
https://www.ouest-france.fr/monde/afrique/art-africain-la-france-va-restituer-26-oeuvres-reclamees-par-le-benin-6087720
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That's good.Artifacts should go back to to the countries they came from.We had no right to take them.
Mark
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That's good.Artifacts should go back to to the countries they came from.We had no right to take them.
Mark
well, that means you guys in the rest of the world should basically empty your museums and give back to Italy 3/4ths of what you stole/bought/robbed from us for the last few centuries... I am not sure this rule should be applied with such rigidity.... much as I would like to see the Monna Lisa back in Italy...
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Slightly out of topic, but for inspiration...
The Élysée (office of the president of France) said today that statues taken by the French army in 1892 in the royal palace of Abomey, which are kept in a museum in Paris, will be given back to Bénin.
(https://media.ouest-france.fr/v1/pictures/32f30efbdbe2de6c10680d92eaede8d5-art-africain-la-france-va-restituer-26-oeuvres-reclamees-par-le-benin.jpg)
https://www.ouest-france.fr/monde/afrique/art-africain-la-france-va-restituer-26-oeuvres-reclamees-par-le-benin-6087720
lol lol lol lol they are so ugly that such an opportunity to make space in the musés de France should'nt be lost..
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they are so ugly
:-X ...Not sure if you are joking or what.
I find the fish-man statue (right of picture) fascinating. If someone ever makes it in 28mm miniature it could be useful as: 1) a Dahomey statue (in Dahomey in 1892, or later in a Pulp museum), 2) a "colonial-fantasy" creature, 3) some creature in a Cthulhu context.
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lol lol lol lol they are so ugly that such an opportunity to make space in the musés de France should'nt be lost..
Quite appalled, by your comment to be honest ... These pieces are Benin's national treasures taken away by invading forces.
These statues represent a nations culture and heritance and the only thing you can say is ugly? Don't think they are ugly, they are really impressive and unique in the world. True pieces of native art.
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I think that giving back those pieces is a mistake due to a French ideological mode called repentance. :-[
The world history is mostly made of wars and conquest, but also through this conflicts of intellectual, cultural and technological exchanges between conquerors and conquered.
If all countries begin to claim back what they lost or gave during their history, it will be a great mess. Especially for the most historically old countries.
I think past is the past, let look at the future. And the future is miniatures for the Dahomey war. ;)
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I think that giving back those pieces is a mistake due to a French ideological mode called repentance. :-[
That's going very political, and I'm much tempted to answer this, but it would not be wise to talk too much politics on on a hobby forum.
The world history is mostly made of wars and conquest, but also through this conflicts of intellectual, cultural and technological exchanges between conquerors and conquered.
Yes certainly. That's why we could look at it so many years later, and avoid too much discussion.
My great-grandfather was a fisherman captain from St-Malo to Terre-Neuve/Newfoundland.
Later (some years before WW1) he was a French harbour officer in colonial Tanger (Tangier, Morocco).
When I was a child I often heard my great-grandmother (his widow) saying that in Tanger when there was a storm he always went out on sea to help the local fishermen (most other French officers didn't care about them) he said that on sea all men are equal.
Um I apologize if I've highjacked the Gringo 40 Dahomey thread with all this.
Please could we talk about miniatures again.
...but I still think that these statues are inspiring to play this historical period. :)
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it's forbidden to talk about politics but it seems that some ones after having underlined hastily that they totally respect the most easy to follow political side pay their tribute to the political correct imposed thinking...while , on the other hand, my opinion and my normal esthetic sense allow me to see how are useless and ugly those pieces of wood and, while in Paris, i would prefer to look at David, Renoir, Toulouse Lautrec ecc....
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Please could someone moderate all this discussion or we're soon going to have a REAL big political problem in here.
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on the other hand.. i cannot agree with the fact that art artifacts should remain or, absurdly, be given back to the original countries..some few examples, even about my country (Italy):
..i live close to the Colyseum which is , probaly, the most famous monument of mankind. Well i can assure you that is , nowdays, a real open air latrine...almost abandoned, without any true and well selected guides..with tourist forced to open their path between marauding delinquents and pushers and without any chance to meet a police officer or somebody able to say a word in English. Even the possibility to drink a glass of water or going to the toilet do not exist....Years ago i visited the Adrian Wall in UK..well ..sorry for the British Friends but in practice there is nothing ..but the visit, the replicas , the explanations, the people, the shops were so well done , elegant and friendly that it was real enjoyment for me having borne in the Eternal City..Have you nver been in Creta, In Partenone, in the South of Italy or worst of all in Pompei (the land of Mafia)?....i was..a total cultural desert...i prefer two day in British Museum to appreciate Classical or Roman art....
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speaking about native opponents of French in Subsaharian Africa ..the same French minis used in Dahomey (Tirailleurs, Spahis, Marsouins, Bigors) could be fielded in Sudan (the French Soudan) vs big and variated armies with, sometime, an impressive pourcentage of cavalry and variation in weaponry...from bows to modern rifles...like for example the ones of the big slaver warlord Samory:
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After Dahomey I wish Ged would do Western Sudan instead of Madagascar.
Matrk
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The discussion appears to have veered back onto topic.
Please let’s keep it there and avoid digressing onto issues and opinions concerning topics of politics and morality. This miniatures hobby forum is not the place for debate over such deep, divisive and potentially inflammatory real world matters.
Thank you.
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Yeah I hear so much crap on tv I don't watch the news that much anymore.Getting back to the topic a "Samori"figure plus his army would be great but I'm very happy with what Ged is releasing and I know he has a plan but maybe someday "SAMORI".
Mark
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Dahomey, Madagascar, Sudan, Mali, etc...All miniatures increasing the range which allow to play the colonial history of France are welcome. Especially the conflicts where « troupes de marines » (marsouins, bigors) were involved. :-*
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Yes I'm much more interested in these campaigns than the North African ones now.
Mark
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Maybe I should finish my book of 10-12 actions for the 1892 French Campaign against Samori, and get that to print. ;)
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http://www.nafzigercollection.com/product/dahomey-campaign-1892-1894/
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A bit of thread necromancy.
But I was wondering about the Dahomey women. Any news?
:)
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With Tonkin doing well and a new Vietnam range coming out I think it will be a while before we see much of this range.
Mark
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I hope if they continue with this range they do a Alfred-Amedee Dodds (1842-1922) figure,A mixed race French Colonel/General. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred-Am%C3%A9d%C3%A9e_Dodds
Mark
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Mark
will return to the aforementioned period
as soon as im able :D
cheers
Ged
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and Tonkin I hope Ged lol
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Did the French uniforms change that much from the 1880's to the 1890's? I know they did after 1900. The ones that I've seen in photos seem more fancy in the 1880's, more practical in the 90's. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Mark
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Ged
I just discovered your potential Dahomey range. Please take your time, I'm trying to recover from my Tonkin order ;D. But... Dahomey!!! not too long either! lol
On the cultural subject that was heating here some time ago, I would like to add one small comment: we obviously are from different opinions, very different and quite opposed, but nevertheless do share a common passion. Gentlemen (and ladies?) let's consider how rare this is nowadays. And it's not going to change for some time worldwide. Therefore, although I have my own opinion on the points discussed about, I'll let them out and be happy to exchange with anyone interested. I once discovered that a colleague was also a wargamer at work: someone observing our discussion told us that we were a kind of Free Masonry! He was right. In sweet madness we are brothers.
Philippe
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pallard
I will indeed turn my full attention to my Colonial French and Dahomey
...I have some Amazons already !..just need some time!
cheers
Ged
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Ged,
With the success of the Tonkin range and the new Battle of Hue range coming out are these ranges going to be pushed back for awhile?Not complaining but just would like to know if you have a timeline for these.
Mark
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Mark
million dollar question..not pushed back ..just need to devote some
time...I know what needs to be done....Tonkin will be added to and
Dahomey will dovetail into that period..in a fashion. :D
regards
Ged
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Looking for this book.
Mark
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Marco check link below
https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/SearchResults?cm_sp=SearchF-_-topnav-_-Results&kn=Les%20troupes%20de%20marine%20%3A%20Les%20batisseurs%20d%27empire%2C%201871-1931%20by%20Ren%E9%20le%20Honzec&sts=t
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Thank you Geoff. I just ordered this.I see they have volume 1 also so I shall get that one too. :D
Mark
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Haven't received my books yet.Starting to get worried.
Mark
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Batisseurs d"Empire is a wonderful picture book, and seems to have taken great care to get all of the uniforms right.
I use it also for inspiration on the colonial opponents.
Highly recommended !!
Hope your copy arrives today, Marco55 !
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So do I! ;D
Mark
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Volume 2 arrived today. Ordered volume 1 a week later so hopefully will get that within the next week.
Mark
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Ged,
Any updates on this range?The thread title says new for 2018 and were pushing 2020! lol ;D
Mark
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I have a feeling this range is dead in the water.
Mark
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I have a feeling this range is dead in the water.
Mark
...of the Mekong Delta... :'(
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LOVE THIS RANGE!!!??? :o :o :o lol lol lol
Mark
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not dead Mark 8)
cheers
Ged
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:D :D :D 8)
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WHERE"S MY AMAZONS??? lol lol lol lol lol o_o o_o :D
Mark
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Hello,
Any word on the Dahomey/Madagascar Line? Also, as a side note, is there anyone out there creating miniatures for the First Schleswig - Holenstein War 1848?
Thank you
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I think Dahomey/Madagascar may never be.Much work still needs to be done on Tonkin.
Mark
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just a note to say the very pistol has been fired on a New 28mm Dahomey and Madagascar,,,the amended dates on the original thread give a time schedule.. :D
more news to follow as i progress... 8)
cheers
Ged
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thanx for update.
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pleasure Juergen ;)
cheers
Ged
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chaps...first of our Dahomey Amazons released!! :D
25.10.2020. More additions for troop type to follow
as and when im able! :D
cheers
Ged
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It's a start but I'll wait until more figures are released.It could be years! :o
Mark
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thanks Marco...
cheers
Ged
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Nice sculpts.
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thank you Juergen! :D
cheers
Ged
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Oh noooo!
Not now that we are in for a Berlin wall revival in the Channel!
We'll have to build a European infiltration network in the UK very quickly just because of you... and your stunning ladies!
That's pure culture war and it hurts!
Philippe
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Merci Phillippe
appreciated :D
cheers
Ged
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28mm Gringo40s Agoji Amazons from our Dahomy Wars release ..superbly painted by Andy Singleton..figures available from www.gringo40s.com
cheers
Ged
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Looks good Ged.
Mark
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thanks Mark ;)
cheers
Ged
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And now a rear view of these splendid warriors..
as a note its worth mentioning the last Agojie
warriors daughter is still alive...all those years later :o
cheers
Ged
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update,,,,,,,,,,,some more New releases due very soon for the Dahomey and Madagascar range..will keep you all posted :D
cheers
Ged
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Sounds good.
Mark
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thanks Mark 8)
cheers
Ged
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Brand New Releases French Colonial Marines with blanket rolls
suitable for Tonkin,Dahomey, and Madagascar campaigns 8)
cheers
Ged
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New photo of one of our New additions to the French Colonial Armye
28mm Gringo40s French Bugler with rolled greatcoat Dahomey Campaign 1892..New release from Gringo40s superb Artwork Andy Singleton . www.gringo40s.com :D :)
cheers
Ged
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New Artwork :D
28mm Gringo40s French Legionnaire Tonkin campign in black locally made unifrom .top paintjob Andy Singleton. part of our Huge Tonkin range,,suitable for Dahomey and Madagascar campaigns,
regards Ged
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chaps
just a note to say the range
has now been fully restocked
excuse slight delay :D
regards
Ged
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