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Miniatures Adventure => SuperHero Adventures => Topic started by: wellender on April 18, 2009, 09:35:56 PM
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A little while back a suggested a build your own super hero sprue at Wargame Factory. It finally got posted today. If your interested go pre-order some sprues so we can get some custom supers.
http://www.wargamesfactory.com/BookingRetrieve.aspx?ID=50067
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I love the idea, I just wish I had more faith in Wargames Factory to produce a worthwhile product...
Nothing I've seen from them so far is anything that I would want to spend hard-earned money on. If someone who prioritized quality sculpting were to produce a multipart superhero sprue I'd be in there like a shot.
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This will be a tough assignment for them. So many ways you can go. So many styles, shapes, and sizes to choose from. If they do make it into production, I wish them the best! I'll be interested to see the results.
Scott
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I think it's got to be as generic as possible. Like just capes and tights with the options really being the heads, boots, and hands. If it has too much detail you can't make as many unique characters or you fall into that scary IP infirngement land. This would be more for modders probably,which oddly I''m not.
Leave the more detailed supers to guys like you. Been pushing Super System over on Heroclix Realms by the way. I post on your blog as Rev. Jim.
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Thanks, Rev!
Being a miniatures nut myself, I am always keen to see more supers!
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Thanks, Rev!
Being a miniatures nut myself, I am always keen to see more supers!
Judging from their previous poorly sculpted rubbish this will go no where. Sorry guys, Wargames Factory are like the needy little brother's friend who wants to be liked and does everything to please but just ends up being an ill concieved pain in the arse!
Tell it like I see it.
The Commander
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Judging from their previous poorly sculpted rubbish this will go no where. Sorry guys, Wargames Factory are like the needy little brother's friend who wants to be liked and does everything to please but just ends up being an ill concieved pain in the arse!
Have you actually seen their product in person?
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Judging from their previous poorly sculpted rubbish this will go no where. Sorry guys, Wargames Factory are like the needy little brother's friend who wants to be liked and does everything to please but just ends up being an ill concieved pain in the arse!
Have you actually seen their product in person?
Yes at London Exel Salute 2009, poor sculpts, poor casts, seen them put together too, poor fit, flash lines etc..
Have you? Or are you just relying on renders like the rest of the internet 'experts'.
The Commander
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Build your own Super-Jelly Babies!
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Have you? Or are you just relying on renders like the rest of the internet 'experts'.
Put the zombies together by hand. They're not the best, by any means, but they're hardly as bad as you make them out to be.
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Have you? Or are you just relying on renders like the rest of the internet 'experts'.
Put the zombies together by hand. They're not the best, by any means, but they're hardly as bad as you make them out to be.
They are appalling, underdetailed, overflashed, poorly conceived and just not there. I don't want 'blob' fodder I want well sculpted and well executed miniatures. These aren't sorry.
So in conclusion....Erm yeah they are....next caller please!
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They are appalling, underdetailed, overflashed, poorly conceived and just not there. I don't want 'blob' fodder I want well sculpted and well executed miniatures. These aren't sorry.
Agreed. And yes, I've seen them 'in the flesh', too.
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Following this thread I just went onto the league thingy for a gander and much to my own amazement, I am certainly not a fan of anything I have seen so far, I placed a couple of pledges.
Hopefully, by the time enough people actually add enough to mine and the proposers desire for Ming Chinese the quality will have improved an awful lot. I think they should have about ten years to try ;D
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Have you? Or are you just relying on renders like the rest of the internet 'experts'.
Put the zombies together by hand. They're not the best, by any means, but they're hardly as bad as you make them out to be.
feel free to post up your completed and painted examples my american friend. Oh and if you like it here don't forget to support prof's server upkeep.
The Commander
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feel free to post up your completed and painted examples my american friend.
Oh, I'm a crappy painter, but send me a digital camera and you got yourself a deal. Since I only have a crappy cell phone cam.
For a current example, I think this guy did a better job than I could:
http://www.wargamesfactory.com/AnnouncementRetrieve.aspx?ID=23574
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feel free to post up your completed and painted examples my american friend.
Oh, I'm a crappy painter, but send me a digital camera and you got yourself a deal. Since I only have a crappy cell phone cam.
For a current example, I think this guy did a better job than I could:
http://www.wargamesfactory.com/AnnouncementRetrieve.aspx?ID=23574
Will not be drawn into the amount of freehand blending on these, low quality, low detail on the minis. The detail hasto be painted on freehand by the guy! Good paint, rubbish figures.
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I don't think anyone is really expecting anything earth shattering or great. In fact, I expect them to be pretty generic. I think we could end up with good pieces to use in mods or as blank templates.
The super hero miniature pickens are pretty slim. We really only have SuperFigs, Living Legends, Pulp City, a couple from Reaper, and Heroclix which is no pretty much gone. Comfy Chair is starting to put out some too but only have one at the moment. Compared to Sci-Fi, Fantasy, and Pulp there really are not that many options. I welcome any attempt to make new supers by any company.
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I don't think anyone is really expecting anything earth shattering or great. In fact, I expect them to be pretty generic. I think we could end up with good pieces to use in mods or as blank templates.
The super hero miniature pickens are pretty slim. We really only have SuperFigs, Living Legends, Pulp City, a couple from Reaper, and Heroclix which is no pretty much gone. Comfy Chair is starting to put out some too but only have one at the moment. Compared to Sci-Fi, Fantasy, and Pulp there really are not that many options. I welcome any attempt to make new supers by any company.
Don't hold your breath mate:
(http://www.thecelebrationcake.co.uk/userimages/Superheroes032.jpg)
:D
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The WF stuff is shockingly rough. THey make up for this in bulk. Loads of zombies or the core of your romans for cheap.
However, superheroes are all individualistic, and you would only have a few in game so Im not looking forward to the WF heroes....
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I totally agree with Scurv - and I do see marked improvement of their sculpts over time. Still far from top notch, but very useful "fillers".
I donŽt jump with excitement at their releases but keep an eye on their updates. I must say that their Numidians (for example) look like a marked improvement of their Zulu War Brits (of which I bought a box, and are admittedly quite below par...).
IŽll just write it off to new techniques, lack of experience, whatever. When the subject matter is too interesting to ignore IŽll grab another box and compare. Hopefully it will be better - if they arenŽt, well... at least it wonŽt make a large dent in my wallet ;)
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I must confess to ordering a box of their zombies (almost by accident, I was ordering some metal figures from an online shop and noticed they stocked these as well) to see if I can combine them with tamiya WW2 figs and westwind zombieheads. I won't build any the way they are intended, but I'm hoping they can serve as conversion fodder.
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I think you will find those ranges will not go together well WK. With everyone having a different idea of what 28mm is and proportions being all over the shop they will end up looking pretty mutant weird. (Which might be a good thing if thats what you want).
Well, the tamiya ranges are a small 1/48 scale, so in any event, I am expecting to do some chopping and repositioning of limbs, so it shouldn't be a problem. When I made my WW2 US flying platforms, the crew were the 1/48 figs, with modified limbs to reduce the height and west wind heads and weapons and the result was something that looked very much like a 28mm figure from the likes of artizan.
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Although I disagree with Vipers bile (did WF steal your lollies or something? You seem to have to have a tirade against everything they do.) I do agree that supers is really not something that would fit their business model. Supers is not really something you can mix and match parts of too well and you dont need bulk amounts of them to have a game.
A little off topic, their quality is getting better every time they do a new set. Considering they are the only ones doing full computer generated miniatures in plastic I think it's fair to expect there to be a learning curve.
Dont buy them if you dont like them Viper, the rest of us don't need your permission to decide what we spend our money on.
I also suggest curtis looks at his own range of figs before slinging mud. I personally think they are some of the most craptacular minis on the market.
I don't need your permission to purchase anything in the same way that you are totally free to spend your pennies on whatever you like.
I am voicing an opinion, as are a number of people who post on your 'big up my mates' posts.
These comments are backed by sight and handling of the product, review and critique of the renders, (which FYI are pretty shocking, but don't take my word for it, there's a number of very detailed threads over on frother's that fully analyse and comment on the anatomy, render design, practicalities of moulding and producing. Personal knowledge of the CAD/rendering process and a fairly good understanding of what makes good figures.
Oh and you may find that a certain mega corp in the miniatures world has been producing very detailed rendered sculpts for a number of years now....... (cough cough GW...cough cough).
If they improve great, but they really shouldn't enter the market until the standard of their product is in keeping with the bell curve generated by all the other players.
And re: ramshackle....craptacular? interesting word....never heard that before...probably digitally rendered?
;)
VYper
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GW does not go straight from render to sprue. They like Victrix and WL do a 3 up and pantograph it.
Still, dont let facts get in the way of a good rant eh.
If that's the case then perhaps WF should consider doing the same, at least until they've mastered the technology and can produce anything remotely close in quality to 3d miniatures' products. :?
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Yes Scurv, they're called Caeser. Now they know how to sculpt in plastic.
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And these?
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=1310
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I think thats answered all my questions.
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Regarding the warlord games size, it was said that the romans, which I believe you are basing your opinion on and were their first set, were indeed too small, but later sets have been a normal 28mm size. I have a box of their ECW and they don't look smaller then my perry, TAG, etc... metal figures. Proportions seem to have improved from that first set too (and well, the wargames factory romans looked very horizontally stretched too).
I'll agree that there are some GW sets that just don't work. Several of the sets have that actionfigure look when you attach the separate parts (the catachans are horrible for instance). Probably why their more recent sets have less flexibility in the poses. But they have relatively crisp detail.
I'll let you know what I think of the WGF zombies when they arrive.
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For God's sake, just fucking leave it will you guys? :-[
Some people like them, some people don't. I'm sick of this escalating pissing contest on every bloody site. I may have contributed to it once or twice on Frothers, and I'm sorry I did.
And now you've made me swear on the LAF! Only Hammers is allowed to do that!
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For God's sake, just fucking leave it will you guys? :-[
I hope that doesn't extend to my posts... ;)
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Sorry, WK. Didn't think to exclude you from my ranting. Feel free to carry on being reasonable and everything. lol
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Guys, I really don't like the way you're choosing to discuss things. Please be tolerant and polite, that's LAF, I won't allow that sort of rants and will delete the posts/topics like this without warning or explanation.
I'm just intolerant towards intolerance. You'll have to live with it.
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Please accept my apologies for my bad language Prof.
Not the place for it.
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For God's sake, just fucking leave it will you guys? :-[
Some people like them, some people don't. I'm sick of this escalating pissing contest on every bloody site. I may have contributed to it once or twice on Frothers, and I'm sorry I did.
And now you've made me swear on the LAF! Only Hammers is allowed to do that!
:)
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Feel free to carry on being reasonable and everything. lol
Don't mind if I do. ;)
Got confirmation that my order is shipping today, so looking forward to get them so I can find out once and for all what they're like. I'm sure I'll find a use for them either way (if the worst should happen, they'd be easily made into casualty figures). :)
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See all the trouble that plastic figures are causing?
See?!
;)
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See all the trouble that plastic figures are causing?
lol
It's true nothing beats lead, not even paper!
but I must admit some of the new plastic minis are fun to assemble and paint! most of all there is some nostalgic feeling about it!
Last weekend I stole a couple of victrix miniatures from my father, and I felt again like a 10 year old boy assembling and painting the escii or airfix tanks!
When I was a kid the only soldiers we had in Portugal were the plastic ones, this is like reliving that time again! I really don't know how to explained it but I felt loads of nostalgia!
And I'm also very happy that I will have a couple of plastic soldiers I can give to my daughter for her to start playing!
:)
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GW does not go straight from render to sprue. They like Victrix and WL do a 3 up and pantograph it.
Still, dont let facts get in the way of a good rant eh.
Never stopped you there pal.
Anyway I tire of this, so lets agree to disagree on the whole WF issues, we will never see eye to eye on this and people are rightly fed up of our ratings as we are polarised in our views.
Vyper