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Other Stuff => Workbench => Topic started by: Hammers on January 04, 2018, 10:41:05 AM
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My build thread and official entry stub.
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More game of thrones goodness! Pumped to see it come together. 8)
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More game of thrones goodness! Pumped to see it come together. 8)
I'm ashamed to say I had to look it up to see what this could relate to... :(
Sounds good 8)
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The implementation of Frostgrave, which I do for and with my boys, is set in Westros. The Stormlands to be exact. I have a ruined Sept, but now, I am doing a holdfast, which is the westrosi name for a fort or guard tower. The "ill adviced" aspect of it is that it was used to store wildfire in an obvioulsy slatternly way.
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Some inspiration. A spirit guide no less.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KrHdYfORc_4
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This is a revamp of an old, half built project, based on a simple cardboard tube. The construction was *very* simple and not very useful at all. I and my boys saw some merit in having a donjon in our Frostgrave homebrew world and decided to forge a new life for this old thing.
As the Frostgrave game calls for lots of labyrinthine paths and levels, we needed the inner floors of the holdfast to be exposed. Therefore, we've created a story where this abandoned holdfast in the Westros village of Gallowgrey (where our games take place), hand once been a out-of-Kingslanding storage place of a batch of the extremely volatile alchemical warfare substance called "wildfire" or "pyromancer's piss", see the
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Wildfire (http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Wildfire) for details. More fluff at some later point.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/2018/Holdfast1.JPG)
The core of the holdfast model is a 15 cm diameter cardboard tube. As we wanted it to be partly blown apart by an explosion, the paltry thinness of the tube would not do as the mighty walls of a holdfast. After roughly cutting up the upper part of the tube to expose its interior I have reinforced the outside with two layers of 5mm XPS floor insulation.
The tower will have 5 levels. From the bottom up we find:
- an oubliette for storing wildfire, hidden in the rock upon which the tower stands.
- an entry and loading level where the vicious stuff is handled, now completely blown out
- mess and sleeping quarters of the garrison
- the commanders apartment
- outlook and fighting platform
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/2018/Holdfast2.JPG)
The rock below the holdfast doesn't look very impressive so it's girth and cragginess will be improved eventually. There will be a secret entrance to the oubliette, covered up in some ingenious way with mechanical devices for opening it (involving pulling at torch holders, I am sure).
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/2018/Holdfast3.JPG)
The cross vault of the ceiling in floor 4.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/2018/Holdfast4.JPG)
Each floor is built as a individual compartment and can be lowered into the tube. Each compartment carry the details of the ceiling below, its floor and the walls, as they they have been thickened the same way as the outside walls but three layers of XPSsheet. The masonry details has been impressed into the surface with ballpoint pen and rough pebbles (as per the well known method).
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/2018/Holdfast5.JPG)
The third floor has a wood floor, as busted up timber tend to look dramatic. How much debris one decides to cram into a piece like this is not only a matter of realism and taste but also gaming practicality.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/2018/Holdfast6.JPG)
All wood detail will be stained with the same kind of black brown woodstain and then hilited with lighter browns and greys.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/2018/Holdfast7.JPG)
The holdfast in all its might. Floors 2, 4 and 5 in place. In the background a curve of inner wall is visible.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/2018/Holdfast8.JPG)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/2018/Holdfast9.JPG)
Lumber is being cut for the gallery of the top fighting platform.
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Ohhhh!....I can see this being good already! 8)
Are you going to stick bricks to the outside or are you going to carve into the floor insulation surrounding the tower?
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very good start looks very promising
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Ohhhh!....I can see this being good already! 8)
Are you going to stick bricks to the outside or are you going to carve into the floor insulation surrounding the tower?
I havent decided on method yet. I am condidering cutting rock shapes out of egg cartons. We’ll see.
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That looks great at this early stage already - as others have already said. 8) 8) 8)
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Wow, this already looks amazing. :o
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Looking good - its much bigger than I thought from the first few photos, the one with the spearmen on suddenly rescaled it to me.
Are you adding a good bit of weight to the base to keep it stable, it looks pretty tall and narrow at the minute?
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Looking good - its much bigger than I thought from the first few photos, the one with the spearmen on suddenly rescaled it to me.
Are you adding a good bit of weight to the base to keep it stable, it looks pretty tall and narrow at the minute?
I think I mentioned that already but yes I am. If you mean ”weight” as in ”heavy”, it already has a low center of gravity due to its base plate. The fleshing out of the rock will be done for cosmetic reasons.
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Nice progress! Very convincing wood floor boards
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Like this a lot.
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Incredible work! This is going to be a great build to follow
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Loving it! Another wonderful build, this is going to be a great competition ;D ;D ;D
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Some photo references:
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/2018/Heidelberg_castle_ruins_4.jpg)
Charles Tower in Heidelberg, destroyed with gunpowder by the French in 1688.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/2018/Urquhart_Castle_Tower_House_2.jpg)
Castle Urquhart tower, blown up in 1690 to prevent its use by Jacobites.
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A great project 8) :-*
Not sure if this will help as a reference:
Hadleigh Castle in Essex (damage caused by slippage in the subsoil)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/31/2031_17_01_18_3_17_20.jpeg)
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Good'un. I have been looking for examples of medieval fortifications which have (later) been blown up with gunpowder. The "forensics” are a bit different.
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Very interesting!
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Update:
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/2018/Holdfast17.jpg)
The top floor, with the 'svalgång' (swallow's perch as is Swedish nomenclature) or gallery is taking shape. The on duty guard room and supplies crane will be sitting right at the edge. A lot of the gallery will be blown away so as the basic construction has been put in place, there will be a lot of broken timber and debris has to be strewn convincingly about the place.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/2018/Holdfast16.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/2018/Holdfast13.jpg)
I've lovingly roughened up all timber (hobbyist linden and fir) with a steel brush and carved it here and there to make it look hand fitted and aged. I spent some time on the arrow slits and their doors, making them work with micro iron work and everything, just because I cant stop myself.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/2018/Holdfast15.jpg)
A crossbowman peeking out of the cargo hold/guard room-to-be. The XPS sheeting will be embossed with masonry pattern eventually and the corners and apertures dressed with woodwork or cut stone imitation. I will make something dangle from the cargo beam to, I think.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/2018/Holdfast11.jpg)
Detail of the inner walls of the gallery and and arrow slit cover.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/2018/Holdfast10.jpg)
Now to the other end of the holdfast: the floor of the first floor and the grating covering the throat to the hellish obliette below.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/2018/Holdfast12.jpg)
The grating can be opened like so...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/2018/Holdfast14.jpg)
The vault of the ceiling in the oubliette.
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Wow, this is looking really fantastic
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Question: how did you make the arrow slit hatch hinges? Are those just bent brass wire? Because if so, they must have been super fiddly to fit in place. 8) 8) 8)
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Wow the mini iron-mongery is very cool.
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Wow! The detail your packing in there mate is astounding! :o
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So far, so splendid Peder.
:-*
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Most excellent :-* :-* I too am interested in your iron mongery, especially the hinges and the grate. Are they painted plastic and wood? Really good start on this.
Lon
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Man, that's looking good.
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Very impressive. I'm liking that a lot.
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Most excellent :-* :-* I too am interested in your iron mongery, especially the hinges and the grate. Are they painted plastic and wood? Really good start on this.
Lon
The grate itself is brass wire mounted in a sheet brass, heated and bent into a frame. The curly bits, hinges and so forth are cut out of thin brass sheet or wine bottle neck seals. The rivets are pinheads. The hinges of the arrow slits are simply thin brass wire of the stiff, springy variety bent to shape.
It probably sounds more difficult than it is.
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Excellent.
:-* :-*
I am rather disappointed that you are gratuitously flashing your sponsor, Geoff Merrill's, name about though....
;D
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Excellent.
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I am rather disappointed that you are gratuitously flashing your sponsor, Geoff Merrill's, name about though....
;D
Blast. I was going for subtle product placement. One doesnt want to appear vulgar, you know.
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Blast. I was going for subtle product placement. One doesnt want to appear vulgar, you know.
Also hinting at the cause of the destruction? Wine and handling wildfire don't mix. :D
This is seriously nice! Love all the details.
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Thanks Hammers! I had forgotten your earlier brass work in the last build, an interesting talent to bring to the modeling table. Looks great but you have some serious competitors out there!
Lon
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Blast. I was going for subtle product placement. One doesnt want to appear vulgar, you know.
lol lol lol
You can be forgiven one mistake, old bean.
Careful, though, or the chaps at the club may blackball you should you do it again.
:D
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The detail you bring to even a wrecked building is amazing. :-*
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Nice work!
Is the foam strong enough to survive gaming?
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Nice work!
Is the foam strong enough to survive gaming?
Yes. I have used 'glalc' on it and it seems to give it a sufficient protection. Plus, the sheeting is laminated in several layers, which helps.
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brilliant detail in the ironwork :-*
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Progress report.
I went to the garden shop to score some material for the entrance stair structure. Dovels there come in many dimensions at a fraction of the cost the charge in hobby stores.
The dovels are scored, notched and sanded with course sand paper along their length before I cut them.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/2018/Holdfast23.jpg)
The larger frames are fit in with a rather authentic metod plus carpenters clue. I use real wooden dovels for that real carpentry look.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/2018/Holdfast22.jpg)
I have pinned the larger frames to a MDF baseboard. As I don't cut all lumber beforehand, this makes it easier to cut the various beams and supports individually to the right length and angle. Once completed the whole structured will be heavily weathered and partly broken up. I find this easier to do to a intact structure rather than as it is put together.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/2018/Holdfast24.jpg)
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That’s fiddly! Will look ace though
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Splendid build :)
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So...you're building a genuine castle using real life techniques, only in a smaller scale than the real thing! Kudos! :o
And that's why you are the moderator of the Workbench board!
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So...you're building a genuine castle using real life techniques, only in a smaller scale than the real thing! Kudos! :o
And that's why you are the moderator of the Workbench board!
...authentic-ish. ;)
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Wonderful....
:-* :-*
...and testing.
:o
Hats off to you, sir.
:D
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...authentic-ish. ;)
I'm going to go check Edinburgh Castle, just to make sure it hasn't nmbeen built with blue foam! I feel as though if the rest of your processes are this close, surely the rest must be too!
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The steps of the stairs in place. And the platform which will hold the wrecked entry shed.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/2018/Holdfast25.jpg)
Another angle. As you can se the steps are not completely evenly distanced not all that level. I am not too worried about as the whole construction will be harshly brutalized in the aging wethering and wear process later.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/2018/Holdfast26.jpg)
I am contemplating a handrail along the other edge. Not sure. The thing may look too busy with one. But a few more diagonal support beams are probably in order. It looks rather flimsy without.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/2018/Holdfast27.jpg)
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nice indeed
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Very nice - I might copy this as a ramshackle steel version for Necromunda.
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:-* beautiful scaffolding!
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Great stuff 8)
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Some more work on the entry stairs.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/2018/Holdfast28.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/2018/Holdfast29.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/2018/Holdfast30.jpg)
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Huge :o
I didn't realise how big it was until you put the figure there; unless it's a 15mm one and you're teasing us lol
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That will be quite a piece to put on the table.
Will be watching in awe and anticipation :)