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Title: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: Battle Brush Sigur on January 19, 2018, 01:25:57 PM
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Yeeeeeeeeah, let's talk about the Great Northern War (1700-1721).


To me warfare in the 18th century always was kind of a blind spot. Sure a bunch of landmarks come to mine: Kabinettskriege, Empress Maria Theresia, War of Spanish Succession, Louie XIV., good uniforms, Prussians nicking Silesia by use of ungentlemanly measures ( :P ), seven years war, american war of independence... and then it's French revolution time already! Kinda.

Concerning warfare: Tricorns, linear warfare, the vanishing of the pike, Grenadiers wear funny hats, good uniforms (a point which should always be stressed), kinda slow cavalry, Prussians get +1 on all rolls (because in the 18th century Prussians are Space Marines), etc.

Now a fine gentleman approached me and asked me to paint his Swedes and Russians for the GNW. A good reason to get a bit more into this topic. During the Thirty Years War Sweden cemented their position as a major European power. Over the course of the second half of the 17th century the Swedes expanded and consolidated their realm along the borders of the Baltic Sea.

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Enclaves and often important centres of trade in Poland, the baltic states and northern Germany were in Swedish hands. This allowed for the kingdom (which mostly was agraric in nature) to be and remain a major player in Northern Europe.

After the death of Swedish king Charles XI. his then 15-year old son succeeded him to the throne as Charles XII. The kingdoms of Denmark (along with the kongdom of Norway) as well as the King of Saxony and Poland, August the Strong, took this opportunity to forge an attack alliance against the Swedes. Tsar Peter I. of Russia also joined the Anti-Swedish league and three years later, in 1700, they attacked Sweden from all Sides.

(http://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_01/5a60bf12cd88f_karlxii.jpg.d6868013ffc59ee36cd327fde1880a01.jpg)

Denmark-Norway marched into Schleswig-Holstein to their southern border, Saxony-Poland besieged the important trade centre of Riga and Russia invaded from the East (Livland). Somehow though the Allies had miscalculated. Charles XII. immediately raised an army, led it to Denmark and forced a peace treaty. Then he went on to Livland and after a 2 months campaign he beat a numerically vastly superior Russian army. The Swedish king left a garrison force in Livland, with the rest of his army he marched into Poland and reliefed Riga. In 1705 a peace treaty was reached with Poland. To top it all off Charles XII. led his army right into the heart of Saxony. King August was forced to nullify any treaties with Russia and, and this is the big thing, to relinquish any rights to the Polish throne. Within 6 years Charles XII. had proven his enemies' conceptions of the king's weakness wrong. The Swedish army, who enjoyed a reputation of being the best and most aggressive soldiers in Europe had a bunch of new combat experience and were of the best of morales.

So what do you do when you got the tip top army of the continent? You march it into Russia!

Denmark-Norway and Saxony-Poland were out of the game for now and Russia was still licking her wounds. After the Russian crushing defeat at the battle of Narva Charles XII. had a very low opinion of the Russian army. Russia at this point still was very much stuck in feudal times. This is why he immediately turned to Poland afterwards rather than marching into Russia. This gave the Tsar 6 crucial years to reorganize his army further. Because this Tsar wasn't any guy, but Peter I. (the Great).

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Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: Battle Brush Sigur on January 19, 2018, 03:07:52 PM
Right, to get into the meat of the matter - I'll build and paint two small armies: Swedes and Russians. All in 6mm, all Baccus minis. For Swedes, we got much more accurate sources on uniforms and whatnot, so I'll start with those. Basing is done with Polemos Standards, each base represents one regiment.

First I cleaned all the minis, then I glued the swedish units onto cocktail sticks (by unit/regiment) and primed them):
 
(http://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_01/5a616e5740586_swwip2.jpg.47e3f2919f6eb87caf46a07d7abf0e47.jpg)

Slightly annoying: that little piece of flash you get between the centre of the base and each horse's belly. Those have to be cut away. Then I started working on some of the more annoying things I should get out of the way early on - the white trims on the tricorns. I also painted one regiment as a test unit. It's the Narke-Varmland infantry regiment. By accident I'd grabbed one with a slightly out of the ordinary red facings, cuffs and turnbacks. On the vast majority of regiments those were yellow:

Kinda like this (with smaller variety between regiments):
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To get back to the historical bits (because I really don't have much to show in terms of minis yet. :P ):
In the last post we stopped at Tsar Peter I. (later: Emperor Peter the Great). This gentleman was important. Right after getting on the throne in 1682 (end of reign: 1725) he started modernizing the army and began a general big program of Westernization in all aspects of the Russian Tsardom. As mentioned above, Russia at that point was still stuck in Feudalism. The young Tsar travelled Western Europe a lot (often incognito), invited a lot of clever peeps from the West to his court as advisors and ordered beards to be either cut off or radically trimmed back so that state officials and pretty much everyone looked more 'civilized' (even on clergy! :O ). This, and other reforms, didn't resonate well with large parts of the population and officials and early in his reign Peter was often busy beating down uprisings or throwing conspirators or just opponents into prisons, holes or exile.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7af8MUm0Uv8/VBmEWGRBiRI/AAAAAAAAAAc/goqbuyRuWT4/s1600/The+Expansion+of+Russia.jpg)

Originally Peter I. looked in the direction of the Ottoman empire with plans for expansion. On their own the Russian army wasn't able to do much there though. Peter went from court to court in Europe, but looking at how everybody was busy preparing for the War of Spanish Succession and other things nobody was willing to send troops off to the Bosporus. So this plan got buried and Tsar Peter I. turned to the North-West and the importance of the Baltic sea for trade.

Peter I. was enamoured with seafaring and had a Russian fleet built (an extremely unorthodox move for the traditionally land-warfare oriented Russia) to protect Russian interests (=trade) in the Baltic Sea. He dreamt of Russian sea harbors, and soon breaking Swedens dominance over Northern Europe become the #1 priority to the Tsar.
 
Hence Russia joining the Anti-Swedish League (August the Strong of Saxony [and thus Poland], Kingdom of Denmark [and thus Norway], see above). Also above you can see how this didn't really go so well initially (Battle of Narva). The Russian army was beaten horribly by superior and experienced Swedish troops. Like really horribly. 10,000 Swedes (including the Narva garrison force) beat 30,000-35,000 Russians. Swedes suffered under 2,000 dead and wounded while the Russian army suffered roughly 9,000 dead and wounded and 20,000 prisonders of war.

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The Victory of Narva. In the left you can see a sled-mounted light cannon.

The Russian army made a very bad impression, Charles XII. rushed on to Poland, as Russia seemed a wet paper tiger and there were more important things to do. In the mean time the Tsar immediately raised new troops, trained them in the western style and had them carry out limited campaigns over the next years as to gain some land and first and foremost experience and learn how to counter the aggressive Swedish tactics. New regiments were created, especially cavalry. In 1700 there were only two regular cavalry regiments in the Russian army, by 1708 it was 34.

By the way, Charles XII. attack on Russia in 1708 was the first time a European army invaded Russia (later examples being Napoleon in 1812 and the German army in 1941).
 
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The Russian army of 1708 was a completely different to the one the Swedes had beaten so triumphantly in 1700. Training and general quality still wasn't on par with the Swedes, but the whole army had been reorganized, set up in the style of Western armies and now had experience and a few plans for countering the Swedish war machine.


 
The Swedish army, tactics and equipment

Swedish soldiers, the famous Caroleans, basically were trained in a style directly derived from the ideas Gustavus Adolphus had nicked from the Dutch for his army in the 1620s and 30s. These plans had been adapted for the new developments in warfare.

Infantry aggressively closed in with the enemy and at roughly 50m distance (later in the GNW this was reduced to 20m or even 15m) unleshed a devastating salvo of the whole battalion in two ranks. To the order of 'Gå–På!' bayonets and pikes were lowered (or swords were drawn) and the enemy was attacked in a reckless charge. This tactic was especially made to face numerically superior enemy troops. Very often these would flee the scene either due to the stoic advance of the Swedes though enemy musket fire, the devastating impact of the close-ranged salvo or the range advantage pikes had over bayonets.

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A Swedish musketeer (1700-1721), by ManuLaCanette
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A word on pikes: Yeah, that was an anachronistic speciality of the Swedes (but also used by the Russians in the GNW). One third of each battalion was equipped with pikes. Since the introduction of the bayonet pikes pretty much had vanished from the European battlefields. Apart from the range advantage thing on the charge I assume that most enemies the Swedes faced in Poland and Russia (with large proportions of Cossacks and other irregular cavalry) Pikes still were handy. Last, but not least: pikes are cheaper than muskets and if you make the charge a crucial part of your tactic with just one big salvo before that pikes make perfect sense. It's not a good idea to get into a prolonged firefight with numerically superior foes.

Musketeers all were armed with ...well, muskets (modern flintlocks) and swords. An important thing to mention is the Swedish system of recruitment/maintaining a standing army. Look it up, it's very interesting.


The quota of cavalry in the Swedish army was very high (almost 50%, as opposed to roughly 25% in other European armies). They also reflected the doctrine first introduced by Gustavus Adolphus in the early 17th century. Just as the infantry the cavalry's approach to warfare was very aggressive. At 150m cavalry began the charge with swords drawn. Firing pistols from the saddle and then charge was generally not done in the Swedish army. For this shock tactic Swedes were trained to ride 'knee behind knee', leading to a wedge-like formation in three ranks, leading to a very tight formation which was hard to break up and led to maximum impact.

What surprised me when reading about this was that officers and cornets were to be at the front of the formation (being the tip, essentially). And how Charles XII. and Peter I. led armies from the front as well. Not sure how the Swedish army was able to maintain their officer corps, but somehow they did.

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Apart from cavalry regiments Sweden had a bunch of Dragoon regiments (which of course were cheaper to set up and maintain, making them the wartime choice of regiments raised). Originally Dragoons had been infantry mounted on cheap horses just so they could get from point a to point b relatively fast, create ambushes, forage, harass, protect lines of support and so on. Fighting was done on foot. Befitting Swedish doctrine though in battle Carolean dragoons also were basically used as shock cavalry. I think they also wore cavalry boots at this point already, which of course makes fighting on foot a bit of a chore. I mean even more than it usually is.

On paper there also were 2 or 3 Horse Grenadier regiments (mostly supplied by French and German allies). In practice those were used just as any other cavalry as well.

In general I didn't read of any cuirasses or helmets being used in the Swedish army of the time, but I do remember cavalrymen in the 18th century weaing metal fittings underneath their tricorns for protection.


 
The relationship of Charles XII. to the artillery is an interesting one. On the campaign against Russia the Swedes had light and mid-weight cannon with them (plus extra-light regimental cannons). All but the lightest guns had trouble keeping up with the rest of the army though. There's a conception that Charles XII. wasn't fond of the artillery arm on the whole. On the other hand, given the very aggressive doctrines of the Swedish army, the artillery just didn't play that big a role in land battles. Anyway, artillerymen wore light grey jackets instead of blue ones like the cavalry and infantry. turnbacks/cuffs were dark blue.
 
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: wolfkarl on January 19, 2018, 04:08:23 PM
Thank you for this great post! Informative and entertaining. Will your friend have you paint Saxons as well?
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: jambo1 on January 19, 2018, 05:37:01 PM
A very interesting read, looking forward to more. :)
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: fusilierdan on January 20, 2018, 02:48:15 AM
Great synopsis of the GNW. Looking forward to more.
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: Battle Brush Sigur on January 20, 2018, 11:18:06 AM
@Wolfkarl: Thanks very much! Of course i'ld love to paint some more stuff for the gentleman in the future. Let's hope and see.

@jambo1: Cheers, glad you found it interesting so far!

@fusilierdan: Thank you. I'm basically writing these things up in the hopes of it helping me memorize things. ;)
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: Battle Brush Sigur on January 21, 2018, 12:38:24 AM

Proceeding well on the infantry and went on to some work on the cavalry:
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Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: jambo1 on January 21, 2018, 09:33:17 AM
Great work!! You are assembling a lovely army. :)
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: AdamPHayes on January 21, 2018, 05:47:32 PM
Anyone voluntarily doing hat lace in 6mm needs stronger medication. 😜
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: DintheDin on January 21, 2018, 08:06:30 PM
Great synopsis of the GNW. Looking forward to more.

Thank you Sigur! Very interested about the period, we have already played the battles of Narva and Kalisz (posted in LAF)
I may suggest Peter Englund's excellent book "The Battle That Shook Europe: Poltava and the Birth of the Russian Empire"

Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: Battle Brush Sigur on January 22, 2018, 02:33:29 AM
@jambo1: Thanks very much! I do hope so. Of course 6mm minis never look quite nice on the painting stick, but once they're based and on a nice gaming table... it just looks nice. The gentleman I'm painting these for so far likes the minis a lot as well.

@AdamPHayes:  lol Well, I do like lacey things....  (https://media.giphy.com/media/10gMDcaONSDLfq/giphy.gif) On a more serious note, I guess this is why people hire me to paint their minis. ;) I like to think that I paint things prettily, but I also paint stuff that others just won't. It's always weird to me when people say they couldn't paint units of figures of 10 because they get bored or 'go crazy'. I enjoy painting lots of 6mm figures, because it's easy and progress is really visible. Also, it's much easier to tell on those when they're done than on say 28mm figures which ALWAYS can look nicer in some way, but at some point you have to say 'right, this is enough'. With 15mm/10mm/6mm figures this point is much easier to hit I think. I enjoy painting 28mm figures and indeed larger. It's just a different thing, I guess.

@DinthDin: Thanks for dropping by and commenting! :) Yeah, I read of the book being suggested (along with the surely excellent GNW Compendium, which I put on my to-buy list). I'm about a third into Englund's book about the Thirty Years War (It's called "Verwüstung" in German; something like 'Devastation' in English, not sure if there even is an English language edition) and it's rather fascinating. The subject matter is such that I usually don't really do much research on the Thirty Years War (because it's just so freaking grim). The period holds a special interest to me though and his book is rather eye-opening on the mindset and biographies of people living in the early 17th century and especially so in Sweden. That's always the big thing, isn't it - the differences in mindset. I once heard someone quote a line about "travelling into a past period within the same region would reveal people to be more alien to us than people from any place living nowadays". Or something along those lines. That's somethnig I always feel reminded of when reading about people in say the 17th century, or when I read about the mindset of Napoleonic Hussars, or many other things. Of course there always are parallels to be drawn, but the difference in mindset is also always something to consider. Anyway, thanks for the suggestion, I'm sure it's really worth reading and I'll put it on The List. ;)
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: The Grim Mariner on January 22, 2018, 07:36:41 AM
A nice overview of the period and some good work on those figures.
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: DintheDin on January 22, 2018, 07:45:40 AM
...I'm about a third into Englund's book about the Thirty Years War (It's called "Verwüstung" in German; something like 'Devastation' in English, not sure if there even is an English language edition) and it's rather fascinating...

This is the beauty of the forum! I didn't know about this book! I also thank you for the suggestion! It is a must buy!

About lacey things...
A commissioned friend of mine, brought me some 15mm SYW figures and said: -I didn't paint the side pocket buttons and the lace on the breast, they weren't on the sculpt! He he! (smile of success)!  :'(  
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: Norm on January 22, 2018, 04:07:12 PM
Lovely opening post, an internet forum at its best. Thank you.
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: Battle Brush Sigur on January 23, 2018, 02:40:16 PM
@The Grim Mariner: Thanks very much!

@DintheDin: Yeah, it sure is. There isn't that much literature on the Swedish country and how it was run at the time. About the severe lack of lacey breast on your friend's minis: Goddamnit, there really isn't any less detail on a 15mm mini than on a 28mm one, yuo just don't have to bother as much with shading/highlighting. :P It's a shame when uniforms don't get to 'shine' as they should.

@Normsmith: Cheers! :) Yeah, bloody Facebook won't do that. I often look up older threads of several people (including my own :P ) on certain periods just because I know that there are some very good, concise summaries of things out there.



Right, I did some more work on the Swedes. Infantry are put on bases now:

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...and I put some cavalry on their base as well. Just have to get the formation green-lit by the client:

(http://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_01/cavwip1.jpg.37ad7585dd9142891578d9a08341ec8d.jpg)

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Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: wolfkarl on January 23, 2018, 08:18:25 PM
Those are turning out terrific! I can see way people like 6mm, single base units are nice and handy and they look great. I love the Swedish cavalry bases, very representative.
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: jambo1 on January 24, 2018, 05:57:09 AM
Cavalry are very good! Love the way they are based, really look top notch. :)
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: Battle Brush Sigur on January 24, 2018, 01:44:18 PM
@wolfkarl: heyhey. :) Yeah, I think for depicting battles, especially from 1700 on, 6mm is a great choice of minis. Easy to store, easy to paint, easy to transport, take up next to no space (same with the terrain), you can do actually large battles which also LOOK like large battles, the minis are rather inexpensive, you can show actual formations, ...

@jambo1: Cheers!


Right, tiny changes about the flags. Each base now gets a flag of the kingdom as well as a regimental flag. I got mosrt of the infos on the flag, but still had to do a little extra research (and a little freehanding on one of the flags).

(http://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_01/sodermanland.jpg.63965b12f051e7504b57cff5167c9838.jpg)

The cornets (the little flags the cavalry got) are painted now as well. Next step is getting everything based. In the mean time I also prepared and primed the Russian army.
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: DintheDin on January 24, 2018, 04:39:18 PM
I would like to suggest:
Lars-Eric Höglund, The Great Northern War, 1700-1721, Colours and Uniforms Volumes I and II

https://books.google.gr/books?id=NPlQNAAACAAJ&dq=Ake+Sallnas&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi_4MCbhPHYAhXD3SwKHWYjCKIQ6AEILjAB
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: Battle Brush Sigur on January 25, 2018, 03:59:52 AM
@DintheDin: Thanks for the suggestion! Keep'em coming! :)


Has anyone of you read the GNW Compendium? I hear it's basically the standard work to get into the period.


Right, this is what the Swedes look like now:
(http://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_01/5a69538b575ba_swwip4.jpg.c33596ae7d6a2ab61d88ddec2118f74e.jpg)
original size image: http://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_01/5a69538b575ba_swwip4.jpg.c33596ae7d6a2ab61d88ddec2118f74e.jpg (http://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_01/5a69538b575ba_swwip4.jpg.c33596ae7d6a2ab61d88ddec2118f74e.jpg)

A few bits are still left to fix. Basing will be done on all the bases at once right in the end, along with the bases on the Russians. Speaking of whom, here they are:

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original size image: http://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_01/5a6953265bb4f_ruwip1.jpg.578868009e489c3caea59cdf190c5796.jpg (http://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_01/5a6953265bb4f_ruwip1.jpg.578868009e489c3caea59cdf190c5796.jpg)
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: jambo1 on January 25, 2018, 05:57:54 AM
The Swedes look brilliant! Great looking army. :)
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: The Grim Mariner on January 25, 2018, 07:16:23 AM
Looking good.

The GNW Compendium is an excellent resource and full of information. 
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: WFGamers on January 25, 2018, 10:30:09 AM



Has anyone of you read the GNW Compendium? I hear it's basically the standard work to get into the period.


The GNW Compendium is a series of articles by various people. Some of the articles are excellent but some are awful, and of course many in between. Also there tends to be a single article on every subject. So relatively minor things get roughly the same coverage as major things.

That said overall it is probably the best overall book on the war available at the moment in English.
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: Battle Brush Sigur on January 26, 2018, 04:39:05 AM
@jambo1: Cheers! :D

@Grim Mariner: Yar, that's what I hear. These armies may or may not go to one of the contributors to that tome...  ???

@WFGamers: Judging from some books I read which seem to follow a similar format I assume it's not quite a 'full history', but instead sheds light on specific aspects of the war.


Hooray for Russian Infantry!

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full size image: http://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_01/5a6a95942c9a1_ruwip2.jpg.8d6a969127c59dc798ad295587948cb6.jpg (http://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_01/5a6a95942c9a1_ruwip2.jpg.8d6a969127c59dc798ad295587948cb6.jpg)

I sat now for a while, trying to think of a better opening to this post, but I just couldn't. I blame the hour, antibiotics and painkillers (got a tooth thing).



Anyway, above you can see that I started working on the Russian infantry regiments. Over the course of the Great Northern War the Russian army under Peter I. the Great, along with most of the empire, got westernized. This was a long and painful process, with lots of uprisings and counter-plotting involved. However, the most striking effects the whole Westernization plan had on the army. In 1700 at the battle at Varna (that thing at which the Russians were beaten horribly by a much smaller Swedish army) troops still wore distinctively 'Eastern' outfits (to go along with their drill and training).
 
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Felt-laced hats and a long coat of polish/russian/hungarian cut. I think the general term for the outfits was "Hungarian", but it may very well be a Western thing to call them that. I assume that in Eastern Europe it was just called 'outfit'. :P

In the years between that and Charles XII.'s campaign against  Russia the Tsar didn't only change the army in terms of training, but also in terms of looks.

(http://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_01/c301af1278140844702faf6feeba1b63.jpg.f0989cdc2addf7b395b28d4d51188621.jpg)
full size image: http://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_01/c301af1278140844702faf6feeba1b63.jpg.f0989cdc2addf7b395b28d4d51188621.jpg (http://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_01/c301af1278140844702faf6feeba1b63.jpg.f0989cdc2addf7b395b28d4d51188621.jpg)

For a very interesting and detailled look at the changes to a Western appearance have a look at this article: http://peter.petrobrigada.ru/unif/project3342/page23296.html (http://peter.petrobrigada.ru/unif/project3342/page23296.html)


A few words on the figures above: Russian regiments at that time didn't have a completely common uniform. Within a regiment uniforms were the same, but colours differed between regiments. Among other reasons it was just not possible to produce like 50,000 identical uniforms just like that. While it was possible to send out sewing templates and goals for the material quality to meet, dying all of them the same was was the biggest problem at a time at which dyes were made from natural resources. There was a tendency to wear dark green overcoats with red turnbacks, cuffs and collars and Peter the Great's long term plan was to establish that as his empire's army's uniform. Mostly because at the time no other major power had already taken Green for their national uniform.

Sources for Russian uniforms of the early 18th century are sketchy (much more so than on the Swedish side), so we have to mainly rely on eye witness accounts of their enemies or international observers. Russian archives in which such sources were stored of course had often fallen victim to Germans, French, rebels, civil wars, communists, looters and other people (often the same people taking on several of the roles listed here). What we do know is the preferrence of the dark green with red details and some of the other colours used on other regiments. Details on flags are problematic as well.
 
(http://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_01/6940d03d0076691e13c783de00b76ef1.jpg.2604edae61b719f72de26b8659801712.jpg)
A few variants

Lace trimmings on the tricorns were also much less common than on the Swedish uniforms (because they're expensive and the first thing you'll get rid of when you have to cut costs due to a complete restructuring of your army and the rest of the state). However, it does look cool, and most of what you see of the minis is the tricorns, so I'll paint them on at least a few of the regiments. On some, like the two guard regiments, we know that they had lace trims in white and if they were present it seems like they were in white. Apart from that I went with colour schemes to represent the findings of my superficial research: More than half the regiments wear variants of green coats and red detailling. Some regiments wear red uniforms with green details and then there are a few odd ones out: One with white coats, one with dark blue coats, one with grey coats, and one with mid-blue coats (on one of the guard regiments. We know that these guys wore the mid-blue with red at least at a parade aroun 1704), all with red details. I avoided the use of yellow in general because the Swedes got plenty of that and the belts will be buff/sand yellow anyway. Oh, and one more thing - the regiments changed their uniform colours every few years (mostly depending on what was available). So it's really a bit of a chaotic mess to 'get the colours right'. ;)

As I mentioned above, the Russian army, just like the Swedes at the time (and pretty much nobody else) used Pikes. The Russian army used them a bit less than their adversaries in the war (only 25% of each battalion carried pikes, on the Swedish army it was a whopping third of the men). One of the main differences between the deployment of these armies was that Grenadier companies in the Russian army were removed from their regiments and combined into hard-hitting, shocktroop-like Grenadier battalions.
 

A bit off-topic, but a thing I notice more and more lately - pinterest is getting on my nerves. Majorly. I do quite a lot of research using google image search. By now pretty much the first 300.000 hits are useless reposts on Pinterests with NO additional information of what's shown at all. Very, very annoying.


On a more positive note: Tomorrow we'll play Sellswords&Spellslingers!

(http://www.ganeshagames.net/thumb.php?file=images/store/cover%20sellswords%20low%20res%202.jpg&sizex=600)

It's Ganesha Games' new cooperative fantasy miniatures game. Very, very keen on playing that one. I assume it's heavily based on Rogue Stars (from the same author), which itself of course heirs from the excellent Song of Blades and Heroes. So that should be cool. 
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: WFGamers on January 26, 2018, 11:36:23 AM


@WFGamers: Judging from some books I read which seem to follow a similar format I assume it's not quite a 'full history', but instead sheds light on specific aspects of the war.
 


Yes indeed but unfortunately it also repeats many of the same mistakes of others. Which in turn has led to many errors in things like your posts and most wargames rules. Your posts are nice but I am afraid contain many 'problems'. But like your posts the Compendium should increase knowledge about this fascinating war.

The good news is that there are some better books around and more on the way. They tend to be on single aspects of the war like a particular army, battle or campaign rather than on the whole war. Hopefully they are/will help give a better picture of the war.
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: Battle Brush Sigur on January 30, 2018, 12:54:15 PM
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Which in turn has led to many errors in things like your posts and most wargames rules.

Like what?

I'm sure that it's in the spirit of this thread if you could share a bit of these findings here. :)
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: jazbo on January 30, 2018, 06:28:44 PM
Very nice work.  Any GNW project gets my vote.

I would also like to know what all the errors in the OP's info are.  I can see a few things, but am curious....
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: Battle Brush Sigur on January 30, 2018, 06:39:24 PM
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Very nice work.  Any GNW project gets my vote.

I would also like to know what all the errors in the OP's info are.  I can see a few things, but am curious....

Like what?

I'm sure that it's in the spirit of this thread if you could share a bit of these findings here.  :)


Thanks for the compliment. I'm aware that this is a very abbreviated version of what I read and of course it's going to be faulty. And it's perfectly cool to correct me on stuff I get wrong, but I fail to see the point of pointing out that things are wrong without correcting them.
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: Ogrob on January 30, 2018, 06:42:37 PM
Just a quick note, you should be able to use the search term -pinterest to remove those hits.
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: jazbo on January 30, 2018, 08:55:00 PM
Hi

Can't remember all, but I thought that the Swedish foot were in four ranks. You mention two, and a single fire and charge.

I understand it as the first two ranks gave fire at around fifty yards, then an advance, then the the two rear ranks gave fire, then all would charge.



Like what?

I'm sure that it's in the spirit of this thread if you could share a bit of these findings here.  :)


Thanks for the compliment. I'm aware that this is a very abbreviated version of what I read and of course it's going to be faulty. And it's perfectly cool to correct me on stuff I get wrong, but I fail to see the point of pointing out that things are wrong without correcting them.
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: WFGamers on January 30, 2018, 10:55:43 PM
First of all I also think your posts are good and valuable.

I am afraid that I don't really have the time to go into everything. It is also often complicated and would require a book to cover correctly.

In general and looking at the bigger picture you are clearly using Western/English sources for your information which are often dated and see things from their own point of view. So for example the idea that using pikes was 'hopeless obsolete'. They of course don't know or don't say that the major Western powers (France, England/Britain, Austria) only stopped using pikes in the 4th or 5th campaigns of the GNW (1703-04). The Dutch only did this in the 9th or 10th campaign of the GNW (1708-09). They don't explain how the 'superior' Danes and Saxons who had got rid of pikes (although the Danes brought them back after losing against the Swedes) consistently lost against 'obsolete' Swedes, while 'obsolete' Russians managed to win they would say after dropping the Western tactics they tried to use in the 1st part of the war.

I am afraid what this means is at best what they are saying is that what the Swedes and Russians were doing wouldn't work in Flanders, yes maybe not but they weren't in Flanders. At worst it is just no real understanding the subject or nationalist jingoism.

On specifics there have been a few. As has been mentioned yes I think you got the Swedish fire drill wrong. The stuff about pikes, both Swedes and Russians. Swedish dragoons also, they are generally units that come from outside Sweden/Finland - units from Sweden/Finland are 'Horse' or 'Cavalry'.

There were more but hopefully that will tempt you and others to keep reading and be sceptical about what is said.
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: pocoloco on January 31, 2018, 09:16:40 AM
Hi, great to see people interested in the GNW.

Just one slight correction. On the first page you mention that "By the way, Charles XII. attack on Russia in 1708 was the first time a European army invaded Russia".

Actually it had happened before that as a Swedish army (consisting of mainly Finnish troops), led by Jacob de la Gardie (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_De_la_Gardie) even took Moscow in 1610.
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: WFGamers on January 31, 2018, 10:32:57 AM
Hi, great to see people interested in the GNW.

Just one slight correction. On the first page you mention that "By the way, Charles XII. attack on Russia in 1708 was the first time a European army invaded Russia".

Actually it had happened before that as a Swedish army (consisting of mainly Finnish troops), led by Jacob de la Gardie (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_De_la_Gardie) even took Moscow in 1610.


Yes you are right about Moscow being taken in 1610 but the invaders were the Poles. The Swedish/Finnish army was allied to the Russians and trying to defend Moscow. They fought in this battle - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Klushino

Charles XII was the first of the 'famous invasions' but there were numerous others that are not so well known, including this one.
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: Battle Brush Sigur on February 01, 2018, 02:51:03 PM
@Ogrob: You are a scholar and a gentleman, Sir. Thanks for the heads up on that. I thought that surely there must be something like that to exclude sites from the search, but so far had been too lazy to look it up. Sometimes (well, often :p ) I tut at people who instead of using search engines to find out simple information go on Facebook and ask, thus costing themselves and others more time, and there I am not knowing how to use google search in 2018! :D

@jazbo: Yeah, my wording wasn't quite clear on that one. Of course I also read of four ranks, but the more remarkable thing I wanted to point out was that the salvo, fired from two ranks, spread across the whole frontage of the battalion rather than firing by platoon or single ranks. I also didn't want to go into too much detail as I post this in other forums too, which are less historically inclined and I'm constantly afraid of boring people over there. But yeah, of course the whole affair took place in 4 ranks.

@WFGamers: Alright, thanks for your input. :) I don't think I said a single bad word about pikes, about them being obsolete (or them having to be deleted for that matter) given the context of the Swedish army (or the Russian army for that matter). I found it interesting that pikes were used, because it's one of the characteristics of the conflict which are instantly apparent and recognizable on a wargaming table. So I pointed out that pikes had fallen by the wayside on European battlefields, and also my wild and mostly unfounded theories (on which you can correct me any time) about why they did this and why I think it makes perfect sense. So not to worry, I'm not out to belittle the kingdom, nation or the lovely people of Sweden, Russia or anywhere else. But yeah, good to see you being passionate and knowledgeable about the topic, which is one of the best things in the world. I hope I can turn to you if I have any questions about the matter in the future.

@pocoloco: No worries, that's been pointed out to me elsewhere, the thing about the Polish invasion, the Polish Tsar and all of that. That's just a weird little line I found in the Osprey book and it would be interesting to hear how the author got to that statement.


Right-o, now that we got that out of the way, here's a photo of unfinished miniatures:

(http://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_01/5a721b3aecde3_ruwip5.jpg.efb718fb2e9fa3eadf4c11cb7cd9289b.jpg)

Should be all done soon.
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: wolfkarl on February 01, 2018, 05:33:38 PM
You're customer should be very happy. A beautiful set of matching armies.
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: Battle Brush Sigur on February 01, 2018, 08:20:18 PM
@wolfkarl: Thanks very much; thus far he's pleased with how things proceed. :)


Right, I think we're done!

Swedes:

(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_02/5a7374f69c2bb_swedone3.jpg.89fdce3a832e9a960779a9e9967a0f85.jpg)
full size image: https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_02/5a7374f69c2bb_swedone3.jpg.89fdce3a832e9a960779a9e9967a0f85.jpg (https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_02/5a7374f69c2bb_swedone3.jpg.89fdce3a832e9a960779a9e9967a0f85.jpg)

(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_02/5a7374f4ef881_swedone2.jpg.39abbd4f71e370629f2cfde72c2a72f3.jpg)
full size image: https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_02/5a7374f4ef881_swedone2.jpg.39abbd4f71e370629f2cfde72c2a72f3.jpg (https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_02/5a7374f4ef881_swedone2.jpg.39abbd4f71e370629f2cfde72c2a72f3.jpg)

Size comparison:
(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_02/5a7374f35f21d_swedonesize.jpg.f0f607d62a7df7766ea169b8b913f3d3.jpg)
full size image: https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_02/5a7374f35f21d_swedonesize.jpg.f0f607d62a7df7766ea169b8b913f3d3.jpg (https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_02/5a7374f35f21d_swedonesize.jpg.f0f607d62a7df7766ea169b8b913f3d3.jpg)

Swedish Infantry:
(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_02/5a7374f1dc291_swedoneinf.jpg.1221d2c6c42da741a0f565a3ec66020c.jpg)
full size image: https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_02/5a7374f1dc291_swedoneinf.jpg.1221d2c6c42da741a0f565a3ec66020c.jpg (https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_02/5a7374f1dc291_swedoneinf.jpg.1221d2c6c42da741a0f565a3ec66020c.jpg)

Swedish Cavalry:
(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_02/5a7374ee9eabb_swedonecav3.jpg.6db8d539e69ed074e547b4b40b4be878.jpg)
full size image: https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_02/5a7374ee9eabb_swedonecav3.jpg.6db8d539e69ed074e547b4b40b4be878.jpg (https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_02/5a7374ee9eabb_swedonecav3.jpg.6db8d539e69ed074e547b4b40b4be878.jpg)

(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_02/5a7374f074c44_swedonecav4.jpg.10361982c7c78ed8e3d5918dbfe46c61.jpg)
full size image: https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_02/5a7374f074c44_swedonecav4.jpg.10361982c7c78ed8e3d5918dbfe46c61.jpg (https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_02/5a7374f074c44_swedonecav4.jpg.10361982c7c78ed8e3d5918dbfe46c61.jpg)



Russian army:
(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_02/5a737508ebf92_rudone1.jpg.1889e08e4e6c18c3eaae41c2b7bff112.jpg)
full size image: https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_02/5a737508ebf92_rudone1.jpg.1889e08e4e6c18c3eaae41c2b7bff112.jpg (https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_02/5a737508ebf92_rudone1.jpg.1889e08e4e6c18c3eaae41c2b7bff112.jpg)


Russian infantry:
(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_02/5a73750797426_rudoneinf2.jpg.459cf4c5d5e0322df5889cb5150df787.jpg)
full size image: https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_02/5a73750797426_rudoneinf2.jpg.459cf4c5d5e0322df5889cb5150df787.jpg (https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_02/5a73750797426_rudoneinf2.jpg.459cf4c5d5e0322df5889cb5150df787.jpg)


Russian cavalry:
(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_02/5a73750599905_rudonecav1.jpg.20e9d3ea96635bd2bf1ec75888dd4698.jpg)
full size image: https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_02/5a73750599905_rudonecav1.jpg.20e9d3ea96635bd2bf1ec75888dd4698.jpg (https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_02/5a73750599905_rudonecav1.jpg.20e9d3ea96635bd2bf1ec75888dd4698.jpg)

...and that's that! Hope you like them!
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: DintheDin on February 01, 2018, 09:50:08 PM
With grass on their bases and banners flying, two mighty armies in all their splendor!
A great job you did there! Eager to see them in a game! Cheers!
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: jambo1 on February 02, 2018, 05:41:38 AM
Super looking armies, great job done on them. :)
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: The Grim Mariner on February 02, 2018, 07:23:08 AM
Now don't they look splendid.  You should be very pleased with those.
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: Battle Brush Sigur on February 21, 2018, 04:49:14 AM
@DintheDin: Thanks very much!

@jambo1: Cheers! I'm rather happy with how they turned out myself.

@The Grim Mariner: Thanks, Sir!

Two weeks ago I was rather sick and wasn't quite able to paint. During recuperating I started doing simple stuff like finally gluing some Z scale trees to bases for terrain. At first I just wanted to glue some small (Z scale; ca. 1/220th) trees to single bases as 'scatter terrain' for smaller scale tables. I'd ordered the trees off ebay a few years ago. 70 single trees:

(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_02/WP_20180210_01_54_23_Pro.jpg.64b71e214e25ad149a3b64fd43eecd20.jpg)

Then I decided to give that thing for denser forests a try that I'd planned to try for years now. Unfortunately I ran out of foliage, so for now it's just 2 pieces, but I think it works reasonably well:
(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_02/WP_20180212_03_45_37_Pro.jpg.8092ff9b8002cf5459f865f7db59c1bf.jpg)

I also made some dirt roads for smaller scales while I was at it.

Then I wanted to put it all on the table for some nice photos, but I noticed a severe lack of the one thing you'd on ANY table/landscape if any villages, buildings or towns are around at all - fields. They not only make a lot of sense, but also make the thing look 'right' and add a bunch of colour. So I made a bunch of those as well and put it all on the table:

(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_02/5a843e70f1a93_village2.jpg.44b790f7a8df8ebbd0131fb9882a42a9.jpg)

(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_02/villahge.jpg.4969f7ae5e223a128fd8ad719d0a9168.jpg)

Of course this covers just a few square inches of a proper sized table. Roughly a quarter or up to a half if I add some hills and such. Still, I should add a few more things:
.) a few more buildings would be nice
.) roads are OK for now
.) I definitely need more fields
.) Seems like 70 single trees were not bloody enough. :P I should add a few more.
.) more dense forests, at least three to four

Here's the table with some 6mm Swedish troops:
(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_02/5a84483c7c518_doneswebackground.jpg.68c233523b00aa8f12d4efd77ec517fe.jpg)

(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_02/5a84483defe25_doneswebackground2.jpg.a1911e7e82cf8757b4c9b698ed4ded82.jpg)


Apart from that I took some more photos of the 6mm Russians with some terrain:
(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_02/5a8cec36b3f9c_rudonebackground3.jpg.4dd9697358c200e5fb35c8fe5c23a32a.jpg)

(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_02/5a8cec3585d6f_rudonebackground.jpg.1d0942b3c4447ed44067b9dcec10eff6.jpg)



Hope you like them!
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: jambo1 on February 21, 2018, 05:28:44 AM
Terrain looks great, love the look of the denser forests, came out well. :)
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: Sunjester on February 21, 2018, 08:10:58 AM
Those armies and your terrain look fantastic. :D
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: DintheDin on February 21, 2018, 08:39:21 AM
You really did a great job, the terrain looks very realistic!  :-*
Cheers!
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: WFGamers on February 21, 2018, 10:11:48 AM
Nice work. I am working on woods similar to your idea but not with as much success.
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: wolfkarl on February 21, 2018, 04:42:58 PM
Everything looks great! If I were you I'd have a hard time giving those back to your customer.
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: Battle Brush Sigur on September 24, 2018, 09:43:59 PM
@jambo1: Thanks very much! :) I think the mix of the dense forests along with some single trees on the table works really well.

@DintheDin: Cheers! :D

@WFGamers: Thanks indeed. What went wrong with yours?

@wolfkarl: Thanks very much! Well, I'm used to it by now. :D And I made a great excuse for myself: When I give them back I make sure (in my mind at least) somebody plays with the figures and enjoys them. I got SO many figures myself which never get out because I don't get to play with them. So if I kept them (apart from the peeps who gave them to me in the first place would be very upset) they'd never ever get out of their box. So in this regard it's better I give them back.


Well, there are reinforcements for this project now, plus a whole new army! Starting with additions to the Swedish army:

(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_09/swewip1.jpg.2116828c3e2d940c234874b229246d69.jpg)

It's 50/50 cavalry and infantry. The latter all wearing Karpus hats.

(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_09/eba49f0b061739f29c4aa77161a24175.jpg.cf0d0f866cd323d38327b64d0a6fd6dd.jpg)

Those were basically another Swedish speciality (even though they had very similar ones on the Russian side, just less fluffy): A fur-lined hat on which the differently coloured flaps can be turned down to protect the wearer against snow/cold/the weather in general.



....and for the Russians:

(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_09/ruswip1.jpg.cb357b2cab88e5afb81aad9dfd473244.jpg)

All infantry this time: 2 units of Grenadiers and 4 units of Strelzi.

(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/01_108_Book_illustrations_of_Historical_description_of_the_clothes_and_weapons_of_Russian_troops.jpg&key=d1633595bcc86af4989f24fc07e825c02d2e5ffc2e4742a557ec70590e69e174)

Incredibly interesting thing, these Strelzi. You hear tons about the Pretorian Guards in ancient Rome, the Janissaries in the Ottoman Empire, or the bloody Ultramarines but nothing about these dudes. Thes were kinda similar though in that they were a standing force of up to 23.000 dudes (first standing army in Russia) set up by Ivan the Terrible in 1450 as his own personal army and guard. They had their own districts in the city, had their own stores, ran their own businesses, basically were a state within the state. In peace times they were also the police force and firefighters. As always with these corps at some point there started a certain downturn for the Strelzi; they went from beating down uprisings to often organizing them (not always without reason either) until Peter the Great defeated their biggest uprising, sentenced thousands to death and disbanded the Strelzi corps.

The most striking thing about the Strelzi was their equipment in battle.Originally they were armed as archers (which is basically what their name means too), but soon they were reamed with the iconic muskets and bardiches used for musket rests and side arms. Extremely interesting stuff there; wish I knew more about Russian history.


So yeah, that's that. The Russian and Swedish reinforcements are almost finished painting; but as we all know basing is a huge part of the visual appeal of 6mm figures. Currently I'm working on another huge addition to this collection - the Saxon army. So stay tuned!
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: Battle Brush Sigur on October 28, 2018, 09:08:40 PM


Right, I'm back from Fantasy things and slipped my 6mm 18th century hat back on (which wasn't an easy slip after the "emergency" 38mm-figures project thing got in the way).

Finished the Saxons (the last 5 regiments of cavalry, 4 bases of artillery and August the Strong himself).

(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_10/saxwip3.jpg.19883ab3e158dbd41532384c925895b1.jpg)

Next on the to do list: base everything, find out what the personal flags of August, Peter and Charles looked like and then put flags on everything!
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: DintheDin on October 29, 2018, 08:51:13 AM
They look nice, but the picture is small.
I hope, when you are finished, to offer us some more substantial pictures!
(Still admiring your 6mm landscape).
Cheers!
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: Battle Brush Sigur on October 31, 2018, 10:21:01 AM
Thanks very much, Din! Yeah, LAF only allows pictures to be displayed up to a certain size, even if you klick them. The original size isn't huge, but a bit larger. You can view it in its original full size if you right-click it and click "view image" (or something along those lines, depening on your browser). It's still cramped and all. Mostly because I don't think that 6mm WIP shots of minis are all that amazingly attractive. :D At that size of figures formations and basing really make up for a LOT of the visual impact I think. Which incidently I'm currently working on right now. ;)
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: Battle Brush Sigur on November 01, 2018, 11:08:41 PM

I've had a little basing party with my 665 (phew!) closest friends.

Russian reinforcements (Peter the Great, Streltzi and Guard infantry units):
(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_11/rus1.jpg.ccbc2ac188cafc230de406eec101a288.jpg)

(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_11/rus2.jpg.f73a121fc4e1e5e7bdb99e795055dee3.jpg)


Swedish reinforcements (Charles XII., infantry and cavalry units):
(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_11/swe1.jpg.a248097310326252073ed3508ee410ad.jpg[/igm]


Generic supply train:
[img]https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_11/train1.jpg.7f46a52a0f7e5fb9245e2ccb1526bcf1.jpg)

(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_11/train2.jpg.05dbed74cdababbc3a1c7e7bf2dbda1f.jpg)

One of the smaller carts was converted by me, because I just didn't want to have them all look exactly the same. So I cut up some plasticard, knead up some green stuff and made one of them uncovered.


...and of course the Saxon army (August the Strong, infantry, cavalry, polish winged hussars, artillery, officers):
(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_11/sax2.jpg.37930227af37382438c5b8a451363fb0.jpg)

(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_11/saxcav1.jpg.fb5a567db6a2acb50dbdec4f08fda160.jpg)

(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_11/saxinf1.jpg.3526950b47cbf3958ab8e8d8daab3f10.jpg)



Here's a closer look at the bigwigs. From left to right: August the Strong, Peter the Great and Charles XII.
(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_11/greats1.jpg.7015e28bd5ca4fcd3464820135030237.jpg)

(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_11/greats2.jpg.dce93a8fd36de5515f958b16266d18c4.jpg)


Researching the flags of each of the units took a LONG time, but I'm kinda proud to report that I think I got the correct one on each unit. Here and there I had to change the ones I had with some freehand painting (on infantry units. On the cavalry all the flags are free-handed of course), on one of the Swedish cavalry units I couldn't find out what flag they're supposed to carry, so I guessed from the designs of their colleagues. The polish winged Hussars of course took extra work on the flags as usual, but , also as usual, look all the more impressive.

The flags on the bases of the head honchos I also had to guess on a little: After quite a lot of searching on the old interweb I found a good flag for August the Strong, featuring the coat of arms of the personal union between Saxony and Poland. I had to change it around a bit, did some resizing and so on, but in the end I got it on the flagpole. The flag that's being carried alongside Peter the Great is completely freehanded and features the colours Peter introduced himself, along with the emblem of the Russian Tsar. The poor guy who has to keep up with Charles XII. on horseback carries the flag of his foot guards regiment. Hope these flags are fitting; I'll ask the gentleman I paint these for, but I'm rather positive I got them right.

And that's it. Now I have to recharge my camera's batteries, get the 6mm terrain out and do some nice army shots next. Hope you like the photos so far!

 
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: Breazer on November 02, 2018, 08:49:12 AM
This looks really good. Its so tiny yet there is so much to note. The cart conversion looks very natural. I actually spend a while figuring out what cart you meant so thats points right there.
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: DintheDin on November 02, 2018, 11:10:51 AM
The sight of these so beautifully painted troops is so spectacular!
And the flags show very well!
An outstanding job and I think your client must be more than happy!
Cheers!
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: Gargobot on November 02, 2018, 02:43:20 PM
The time spent on the flags sure seems worth it to me. Looks really good!
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: Unlucky General on November 02, 2018, 07:07:18 PM
They look truly beautiful and it gives pause for thought of leaping into the scale. Now that you've been painting them a while do you think the manufacturers are approaching this scale in the right way? The smaller the scale the heavier set the figures appear - especially when it comes to muskets and bayonets. Do you think it's a problem?
Title: Re: Learning about the GNW while painting
Post by: Battle Brush Sigur on November 03, 2018, 06:10:23 PM
@DintheDin: Thanks very much! I hope he will be! :)

@Gargobot: Cheers; I hope they're correct.

@Unlucky General: Thanks very much. I love me some 6mm. Indeed, the smaller figures get, the more distorted the proportions seem to get. Which is OK in my book. I think that properly proportioned 6mm figures would look boring and indeed would be boring to paint. Heads and hats tend to be much larger than they should be in general, but also of course the muskets are. Not a huge problem in my opinion. But if you like less extremely distorted proportions, but want to make battles like ...well, proper battles I strongly suggest looking into 10mm as a size.



Right, what's ALMOST as good as being at CRISIS or actually playing wargames, just quieter, less fun and a bit sad? Getting out all the things you'd usually use for it and make some army shots! ;)

Saxons, led by the king:
(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_11/5bdde14d26555_saxarmyschrift1.jpg.a03805204b9f45c188709bc80e53442f.jpg)

(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_11/5bdde14b83567_saxarmy2schriftq1.jpg.1bd5c6aa5a1a0978e9e800c10a2e48b0.jpg)

(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_11/5bdde1508e8ff_saxtrainschrif2.jpg.3127581d95b2f1242f70d1c8b5871b4a.jpg)

(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_11/5bdde14968168_saxarmyinfschrift1.jpg.0aa445de045875ac42142b6a6f2247ab.jpg)

(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_11/5bdde14f06258_saxcav2schrfif2.jpg.3f2d2f99e545f12d3bb587fcbb3019ec.jpg)



Polish and Swedish cavalry are storming towards each other, Saxon cavalry in the back is bewildered and caracoles on.

(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_11/5bdde145c9608_cavclash2schrift1.jpg.6a1ff77c719bed419623ed26a9bc0042.jpg)



Swedish reinforcements, led by the king:
(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_11/5bdde16ea8e92_swearmy1schrift1.jpg.ea2de79b47148b47d8f4aaa5bc406bd8.jpg)

Russian reinforcements, led by the Tsar:
(https://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2018_11/5bdde1479281d_rusarmy1schrift1.jpg.b8d478abf1d71659b2358ab3a7fbe8e5.jpg)

Right, that's that for this project (until further notice). Hope you like the figures and scenery! If you would like to have a similar looking army - you know where to find me. ;)