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Miniatures Adventure => Medieval Adventures => Topic started by: Charlie_ on February 08, 2018, 08:25:07 PM
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Wargames Illustrated did an interview with the Perry bros.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=GJtVkxOzAwA&app=desktop
A question with an answer that will interest many on this board....
Q: What's currently on your workbench?
Alan: Spanish Napoleonic, Danish Napoleonic, Swedish Napoleonic, um... Portuguese Napoleonic.
Michael: Mainly 15th century Irish...
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If that’s the case, I’m very excited! I did mention it when I saw the twins at Partizan last year and they said they would do them eventually but didn’t say when.
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Any expansion to their 15th century range is welcome, and Perry-made gallóglaich? Yes please.
Could be some good figures in there for A Song of Ice and Fire crannogmen too...
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Oooooh. Sounds interesting. Metal presumably, not plastic... :?
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If that's true that I would be in like a shot - metal or plastic. Plastic please please please. lol lol
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I'm off doing metals from Perry anymore, but if they do a box of plastics I'd be all over them. Imagine what you could do with them! And if you think that's something, then imagine what Captain Blood could do with them! :D
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Some interesting answers to questions!
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I am down to get some 15th century Irish action on.
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Good to hear that they have again got into sculpting 15th century figures, though I do not personally have particularly much need for Irish (they were a rare sight on the continent).
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And distressingly no mention of plastic mounted men at arms for the HYW range...
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I dont really know what this would look like to be honest. But more plastic is always nice!
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And distressingly no mention of plastic mounted men at arms for the HYW range...
Yes, that is distressing - well, disappointing at any rate :'(
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I am a little surprised they hadn't done the Agincourt plastic mounted knights yet. It appears to be a favorite period of the Perry's.
As an avid ancient gamer, I am always disappointed they haven't done anything before the Crusades. I love their Late Roman ranges for Foundry, and it would have been nice if they completed the Sassanid range they started.
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I dont really know what this would look like to be honoust. But more plastic is always nice!
Basically like this:
(http://khurasanminiatures.tripod.com/ren-irish-warriors.jpg)
Except without the morion.
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There are pictures of four metal packs on on Facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/perryminiatures/?hc_ref=ARRkR2BGdk7w9qWCviUNBF2Nejs5YB_D5vIZdaXO0UC_MFQI-36yQ2taXKnOQcssj_Y (https://www.facebook.com/perryminiatures/?hc_ref=ARRkR2BGdk7w9qWCviUNBF2Nejs5YB_D5vIZdaXO0UC_MFQI-36yQ2taXKnOQcssj_Y)
15th Century Irish
These are intended as 'auxiliaries' for the Wars of the Roses although obviously they can be used for their own internal wars from about 1400 to the 1580's as well as their occasional mercenary employment on the continent. Jasper Tudor's army included a large proportion of Irish at the Battle of Mortimer's Cross in 1461 and there was a possible 4,000 killed at the Battle of Stoke Field in 1487. Their style of clothing was distinctive, the full, long sleeved saffron coloured shirt (leine) and the short jackets with hanging sleeves don't seemed to have changed until the end of the 16th century. Shields aren't recorded being used during the Wars of the Roses period however they were used before and after so there are some included with the javelin armed kern. The Galloglass were also a little outdated in terms of arms and armour, still adhering to almost spangenhelm style helmets, long mail coats over red or white aketons and carrying large two handed axes. Scottish Highlanders for this period closely resembled the Irish in appearance including the liene, short jackets and with the upper classes looking identical to the Galloglass, which isn't surprising. There's no evidence of Irish cavalry being used in Britain during the Wars of the Roses but they will be made to complete an army for use in Ireland.
Wars of the Roses 28mm figures sculpted by Michael Perry
WR 39 Irish Command
WR 41 Irish Kern with javelins
WR 42 Irish Kern with bows
WR 43 Galloglass
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That is a quite complete set of Irish and will be perfect for completing my WotR Lancastrian army for the battle of Mortimers Cross. I see from their web page that they are available to purchase now.
Very happy teddy. :D :D
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I am a little surprised they hadn't done the Agincourt plastic mounted knights yet. It appears to be a favorite period of the Perry's.
Really? Practically all the newsletters I receive from them are for Napoleonics, with the odd WW2 release and the rare release of something falling between those 2 eras. ???
For me, these are a welcome change!
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Oh wow, that was quick! When I posted this yesterday I was expecting it to be many months with no news before we actually saw them.
I do not personally have particularly much need for Irish (they were a rare sight on the continent).
Yeah I'm in the same boat as you, my 15th century project being on the continent....
Does anyone know of any accounts of Irish mercenaries fighting in Europe between 1450 and 1500? I'd love some historical basis to justify a small bunch of these guys fighting in Germany, France or Burgundy!!!
I'm particularly keen because skirmishers with javelins would add a great new tactical element to my games.
Really? Practically all the newsletters I receive from them are for Napoleonics, with the odd WW2 release and the rare release of something falling between those 2 eras. ???
For me, these are a welcome change!
Absolutely. Napoleonic players are spoilt ROTTEN by the Perrys! I've been wanting them to return to the 15th century for ages, I really hope they have some more stuff for this era planned.
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...and Perry-made gallóglaich? Yes please.
Oh **** yeah...
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Really? Practically all the newsletters I receive from them are for Napoleonics, with the odd WW2 release and the rare release of something falling between those 2 eras. ???
For me, these are a welcome change!
Certainly the Perry's are producing a lot of Napoleonics, buy they said in the video that Agincourt was the historical battle they would like to see, and the commander they would want to talk to.
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Absolutely. Napoleonic players are spoilt ROTTEN by the Perrys! I've been wanting them to return to the 15th century for ages, I really hope they have some more stuff for this era planned.
I do agree with that... although I suspect the Napoleonic players will have us shot for it. :D
Certainly the Perry's are producing a lot of Napoleonics, buy they said in the video that Agincourt was the historical battle they would like to see, and the commander they would want to talk to.
Ah, well I do hope they go there soon then!
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A welcome return to the 15th century; let's hope they stay a while.
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Does anyone know of any accounts of Irish mercenaries fighting in Europe between 1450 and 1500? I'd love some historical basis to justify a small bunch of these guys fighting in Germany, France or Burgundy!!!
I'm particularly keen because skirmishers with javelins would add a great new tactical element to my games.
Considering the amount of bows, crossbows and cannons present on a late 15th century battlefield, and the lack of armour on the Irish, I have a feeling that getting them within a javelin range of the enemy might be a bit of a tactical challenge on the more open battlefields - though on closer terrain they should be able to harass the enemy.
As for Perrys moving back and forth between periods and subjects - instead of sitting down and "completing" a range until starting a new one - isn't that what most wargamers do? The twins have been sculpting figures for several decades, and it is good to see that they still keep going. I would think that they are likely to be on their most productive when working on whatever inspires them most at the moment (even if it is a Napoleonic camel ambulance), and I think that in the long run it would be to be everybody's benefit that they keep themselves motivated and productive.
PS: Anybody else noticed the gap (WR40) in the list of the product codes? Checking around, I discovered that this stands for the plastic mounted men-at-arms set, released already back in 2012.
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So I ordered one of each of the new packs from the Perry twins and they arrived this week. I have to say I am really impressed with them and I’m glad that I held off using alternatives. The command and the gallowglass are especially nice!
My only bugbear is that I think I am going to have to remove and replace all the javelins with brass ones as several were bent or snapped when they arrived so I don’t fancy their chances being knocked around on the tabletop!
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Well the minis look good (although they are not among the best the brothers ever did), but unfortunately they are metal. And I must admit that Im more than reluctant to buy anything metal from the Perrys, due to the casting quality issues. I dont know why they keep shooting themselves to the foot. Their originals are great, their plastics magnificent, the metals though are like lottary. If you are lucky they will be just ok, if you are not prepare for something right out of Robocop (the original one). I would gladly pay a bit extra for at least half decent quality control.
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My only bugbear is that I think I am going to have to remove and replace all the javelins with brass ones as several were bent or snapped when they arrived so I don’t fancy their chances being knocked around on the tabletop!
For javelins (as opposed to spears with shaped heads) I often use quilters' pins. They're bigger than ordinary pins and the plastic heads are easily snipped off with wire cutters.
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I found that copper wire is the best solution for me. A bit of hammering and filing can have the job done in 15 min.
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Well, whatever works for you. Do you flatten the head to give a narrow leaf-shaped blade?
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Well the minis look good (although they are not among the best the brothers ever did), but unfortunately they are metal. And I must admit that Im more than reluctant to buy anything metal from the Perrys, due to the casting quality issues. I dont know why they keep shooting themselves to the foot. Their originals are great, their plastics magnificent, the metals though are like lottary. If you are lucky they will be just ok, if you are not prepare for something right out of Robocop (the original one). I would gladly pay a bit extra for at least half decent quality control.
I wonder what the drive is to produce such large quantities of metal figures (ie, Napoleonics) with such "mixed" quality. I assume they never anonymously purchase their figures to test the quality of their product.
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I have often wondered how many people are involved in running Perry Miniatures. Any questions I have submitted via their online contact form seem to always have been answered by Alan or Michael themselves and all the orders I’ve made have generally been despatched within 2 working days of placing them.
I’ve always assumed they have a few support staff, especially considering their prolific output.
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Just received the Perry Irish figures. Although very nice figures, they are again let down by the poor casting. There are loads of casting pins, which need to be removed, some which are quite difficult to pick out, until undercoated. The cleaning up took me around 2 hours. I wish the Perry twins would change their casting provider.
It's a great pity because the figures are very good with lots of animation, especially in the Kerns. There are lots of strange helmet variations on the Gallowglass, which look suitably tough looking characters.
All in all a nice range, sadly let down by the casting.
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I could be mistaken, but i am under the impression that companies that produce high quality figures (such as Aventine and Front Rank) cast their own figures.
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Well, whatever works for you. Do you flatten the head to give a narrow leaf-shaped blade?
Yes. Basically you can achieve even a wider spear if you want, beaten copper is quite sturdy. I have to blunt the points abit cause its very easy to impale your finger lol
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I do worry though that if the Perrys did change whoever does there casting for them whether it will mean an increase in price, as they are already very affordable. I for one don't mind spending a bit more time cleaning up if it means I don't have to spend more money.
As an aside I just got a bunch of metal ACW from the Perrys and actually found them alot cleaner casts to some Footsore Irish I bought recently which had a lot of flash on them.
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Yes. Basically you can achieve even a wider spear if you want, beaten copper is quite sturdy. I have to blunt the points abit cause its very easy to impale your finger lol
Cool, I may give that a try, thanks. At the moment I buy the wire spears, big and small, from various places, but I might try the DIY approach.
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I have often wondered how many people are involved in running Perry Miniatures. Any questions I have submitted via their online contact form seem to always have been answered by Alan or Michael themselves and all the orders I’ve made have generally been despatched within 2 working days of placing them.
I’ve always assumed they have a few support staff, especially considering their prolific output.
Coincidentally enough, there was a bit of a mix up with my order, and they sent me a world war 2 code instead of the kern (WW41 instead of WR41 I think it was) and when I emailed, I got a reply from "Alan" to say he would sent out the kern. It wasn't until I responded that I thought. "That must have been Alan himself".
But yeah, lovely minis, a few bits of flash on mine, but nothing major that wasn't cleaned up in 15 mins for the two sets, and I'm really enjoying painting them, looking forward to the mounted Irish and planning a good sized warband :)
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Coincidentally enough, there was a bit of a mix up with my order, and they sent me a world war 2 code instead of the kern (WW41 instead of WR41 I think it was) and when I emailed, I got a reply from "Alan" to say he would sent out the kern. It wasn't until I responded that I thought. "That must have been Alan himself".
Yeah I've found they've been pretty good at helping out to fix mistakes. I had a problem with one of the WOTR wagons - it seems one of them doesn't come with the wagoneer pictured. I picked one up at the show and realised when I got home it was a different wagoneer - no problem, as I was actually planning to get a second one sometime. A while later I ordered the same pack again, and AGAIN it came with the wrong wagoneer. Anyway, basically I emailed them about it and got a reply back (can't remember if it was Alan or Michael) apologising, and saying that he'd looked around and couldn't find any unpainted casts of that wagoneer anywhere in the house, so he sent me a couple of other alternatives he hoped I could use. So it very much has the feel of a small home-run business, which I like.
(And as for the wagons, I think it must be that one of the wagoneers pictured on the site isn't actually available.)
As for the casting quality, it's true that it's not the best, and can be a bit disheartening when you first unpack them. But I honestly believe that once painted up, they look just as good as the plastics (as long as you don't look too closely at the hands of certain figures ;) )
I have lots of their plastics and metals, and they both have pros and cons. I'm happy with both, and they complement eachother well.
PLASTIC pros - flexibility for converting / kitbashing, very clean and finely detailed.
PLASTIC cons - you do have to be careful to get good, natural poses - if you're careless or not too bothered, you can get some very ugly, unnatural looking poses. fiddly details can get very tiring to paint.
METALS pros - all have very natural, realistic poses, many of which you can't get with the plastics alone.
METALS cons - casting issues, genuinely not as clean or finely detailed
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I for one would pay a little extra for better quality castings. When I receive the likes of Footsore, Front Rank, Crooked Dice and Hasslefree, these figures are almost ready to paint, very little prep. Although I love Perry figures the casting makes me despair at times and does put me off from ordering.
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Does anyone produce flags/banners that would go with an Irish Gallowglass era army?
Jim
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I do worry though that if the Perrys did change whoever does there casting for them whether it will mean an increase in price, as they are already very affordable. I for one don't mind spending a bit more time cleaning up if it means I don't have to spend more money.
As an aside I just got a bunch of metal ACW from the Perrys and actually found them alot cleaner casts to some Footsore Irish I bought recently which had a lot of flash on them.
I dont mind the occasional air channel leftovers, or a mold line here and there. But i do mind molten faces or lumps of metal obscuring details.
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Does anyone produce flags/banners that would go with an Irish Gallowglass era army?
Jim
Freezywater (available from Vexilia) do an Irish set for the Wars of the Roses which covers many of the Irish lords who fought at Mortimer’s Cross and Stoke Field.