From what I've seen it looks like a load of crap.
Well, there's b*gger all else on telly on a Saturday evening,
Well I must say that yet again Im disappointed. Some people seem to think that they can be ''creative'' or ''improve'' something that withstood the pass of millenia and still is considered a classic tale. EAll of this is true. Age of Bronze is a great series, and Shanower really did his research.
And anyway if somebody wants a really interesting version of the Iliad why dont they give Eric Shanower a budget? His Age of bronze comic series is simply magnificent.
The only version of Homer worth the trouble (including Homer's) is Pope's translation.I really appreciate the Stanley Lombardo translation. Very enjoyable, and that is something most translations are certainly not.
As for historical accuracy, the acts of fornication seemed plausible ... well, as far as I remember.
Did like Helen’s character though. She got the best lines and a good sense of how someone given away twice, first as a prize and then as a gift, might be thinking.
Who decided Achilles should be black? There are plenty of opportunities to insert black characters in the Trojan War, so why Achilles?
I"ll still check it out when I can, but that is a bit of a stretch...
Presumably the director or the casting agent.
Yeah, absolutely no reason to have a black actor playing a mythical character in a fictional work based in turn on a on a work of fiction that features mystical deities and improbable heroes. Bloody political correctness gone mad eh? They should probably take all of the other non-white actors out too. ::)
Who decided Achilles should be black? There are plenty of opportunities to insert black characters in the Trojan War, so why Achilles?
I"ll still check it out when I can, but that is a bit of a stretch...
Are any of the Greek characters played by Greeks? And I doubt any of the Trojans are played by, well ...In the light hearted comedy drama the Durrells it worked . British played by Brits and Greeks played by their own in most cases.
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PNot that different from today . Maybe slightly fairer on average than today.
Who can know real skin color of ancient greek?
About the discussion itself; since when have TV shows, or documentaries for that matter, ever been really historically correct? In the best case it's an easy to swallow generalised basic primer about the subject or it has been the projection of current affairs unto past times.Big difference between "really historically correct" and, well, however this would be classified. Most viewers may not be aware of it, but somebody riding a stirrupped horse must be around 2000 years off. That's quite a lot. lol In that light, referring to Artemis as Diana is only a few centuries wrong I guess...
Most viewers Don't care and just want to watch a fun tv show, but somebody riding a stirrupped horse must be around 2000 years off.
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Had my first impressions. Actually not that bad. Everything at least looks vaguely Mycenean. There are (or will be) chariots. The ships get me to consider building a 28mm galley again.
And the big battle scenes have yet to come. Me for one will be watching this.
And for those suffering from wrong tank syndrome: Homer himself didn't even bother to get the history right. So who am I to judge? :D
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I wouldn't want to be in your shoes with your theory in a bar in Piraeus
Achilles' mother was a goddess and his father was a Myrmidon. The Myrmidons did not share the same ancestry as the Greeks as by mythology they were supposed to be created by Zeus from a colony of ants. Neither Achilles nor his men were Thesallians in the modern or classical sense. I think it's inspired that the casting director has picked up on this and played with the differences - they were apart from the rest of the Greeks.
Achilles' mother was a goddess and his father was a Myrmidon. The Myrmidons did not share the same ancestry as the Greeks as by mythology they were supposed to be created by Zeus from a colony of ants. Neither Achilles nor his men were Thesallians in the modern or classical sense. I think it's inspired that the casting director has picked up on this and played with the differences - they were apart from the rest of the Greeks.
I wouldn't want to be in your shoes with your theory in a bar in Piraeus
has anything else on this topic done better? I'd say that this is the best telling of the story we've ever had ... so far.Blind Guardian - And Then There Was Silence.
Oh, and I forgot to declare a bias. The lead is another Aussie actor and fellow-countryman. Like the movie Thor and the latest Perseus it looks like they wanted consistency? Advance Australia Fairytale! ;DYes l see your point .As Australia is a world leader in Tv drama with many global masterpieces such as the "Flying Doctors " renown bush kangaroo and
I like this! That explanation I can buy.I still prefer the Shanower treatment. Achilles is portrayed more or less as the child of a dysfunctional family. Perfect on the outside, always admired, but within he clearely struggles with himself. Thats why he is volatile and one moment he is capable of great compassion but the next one he can easily massacre a city.
I just started watching this on Netflix. I was really excited that we finally get a well done version of the "Fall of Troy" if you will. Of course I was expecting too much. I made it to episode 3. But overall it is a snooze fest. Nothing exciting about the characters, dialogue, storyline. etc. I thought, ok wait until Achilles shows up, then it will take off. He shows up and NOTHING.The last episode is apparently the best. Whether it's any good in absolute terms I cannot say (as I too gave up after the first episode). Probably not.
It's like they said "Oh wait a sec, we need an Achilles character. Quick insert him here. Ok, now back to the rest of the boring storyline".
I will finish the series in the hopes of an occasional glimmer of acting and story telling appears at some point. Would I recommend this series to anyone? Uh, no.
For those (few?) who watched it until the end, how would you rate the chances of an Odyssey/Aeneid sequel? Although the succes (or lack thereof) of this series is probably a bigger determinant, the final episode probably gives some hints as to any plans they may have (had). The actors for either of the main characters were supposedly among the better ones on the show - different writers and directors and the potential sequels might not be terrible.
The one epic fail for me was Bella Dayne as Helen... This was not the face that launched a thousand ships.
This was not the face that launched a thousand ships. This was the facial expression that looked like she had indigestion throughout.So you're saying it was the face that launched a thousand shits?
Frankly I dont understand what is the point of this thread. I mean we clearly cannot adress the elephant in the room and I can perfectly accept the reasons why. But then whats the point of having this discussion at all? It would be better if the whole subject did not exist. Its like having a Star Wars thread but nobody should talk about Luke Skywalker for x reasons. Pretty impossible isnt it? So whats the point?
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It’s just a friendly discussion about whether people who have watched a pseudo historical TV drama (of some wargaming related interest) have enjoyed it or not, and whether they thought it was any good. We have quite a few of these sorts of discussions on the forum. I suppose the point is that people can put forward a view, pro or con, what they liked or didn’t like about the series, and other members who perhaps haven’t yet seen it, can decide whether they’re going to bother watching it or not... Shouldn’t be that controversial :)
I assume you mean the race of some of the actors?
To be honest I don't think that is what most people talk about when discussing this series.
I think not. Granted that most people discussing the casting choices of Achileus and Patroclus, possibly do it for the wrong reasons and agenda. But that does not mean that everyone who disagrees with those choices is racist or a bigot.
I get your point, but we all see these things differently. For me, the fact that one of the characters was played by an actor of a different ethnicity from what many people might have been expecting simply isn’t the defining big deal about the series. It’s just one choice amongst hundreds the producers or director made. Perhaps some people see it as the be all and end all. I suspect most people in this day and age don’t. I think there are plenty of other things to say about the series, good and bad.
For me, the fact that high king Agamemnon was played like a grumpy builder was a lot more disconcerting than any other casting decisions :)
I think not. Granted that most people discussing the casting choices of Achileus and Patroclus, possibly do it for the wrong reasons and agenda. But that does not mean that everyone who disagrees with those choices is racist or a bigot.
You think not what?I already answered.
*Stuff*
Surely the biggest controversy is the horse-riding and use of stirrups? Wasn't that what everyone talked about?
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No, still just me... ;D
I do not believe you have.But I did. In any case, the "edgy" casting choices is the main reason why people discuss this otherwise forgettable series. Btw I remember a previous "interesting" casting choice for Achileus. In Helen of Troy he was portrayed as a pumped up bald drooling giant dressed in leather straps, smashing things, as if he had just stumbled out of a skinheads concert.
Its. Not. A. Documentary.
I already answered.I think not.
I think not. Granted that most people discussing the casting choices of Achileus and Patroclus, possibly do it for the wrong reasons and agenda. But that does not mean that everyone who disagrees with those choices is racist or a bigot.
Where did I say that?I already made my point and you aswered upon it, I then answered upon your point. Its called a conversation.
You seem to be determined to make a point.
the elephant in the room
the king is fully dressed
the "edgy" casting choices
the "edgy" casting choicesThe phrase you are looking for is "Nontraditional casting". I would have said colourblind casting, but I've clearly been dozing in SJW classes recently :D
casting choices is the main reason why people discuss this otherwise forgettable series.The last post about casting choices in this thread was on page 4 on March 5th. Two months and three pages ago. Until you decided to dredge it back up.
If I were to run a Troy game, building 2 factions in 28mm which manufactures would I be looking at?
I'd prefer plastics over metal, but that would probably leave me with nothing but Victrix greek...