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Miniatures Adventure => Age of Myths, Gods and Empires => Topic started by: jcspqr on February 26, 2018, 04:56:19 AM
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Sorry if these are not new but
It’s the first I have seen of them .
http://articles.warlordgames.com/theban-sacred-band/
Anyone know who sculpted these? Since Warlords have at least two different subsets of hoplites by different sculptors.
Size comparison to Foundry if anyone has it.
Jim
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Steve Saleh did most of the Hellenistic period metals for Warlord. These also look like his work. If so they'll match Foundry fine.
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As a second point I like these, but there's no real reason for the nudity or the Boeotian helmets for the sacred band. Common or garden hoplites of the period will do better from a button counter perspective. If you want to add some slightly fantasy colour and an easily identifiable unit of special companions then these are great.
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I confess I couldn't resist giving mine pink tunics.
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Nice looking figures, but they appear to be designed for fantasy/heroic gaming. Half the figures are attacking with the shield to their side, the other half are standing casuslly, also with the shield to their side. Not the best poses for a close order phalanx.
I believe the helmet names such as Corinthian, Attic, or Boeotian has little to do with the city state that used the helmet. Corinthian and Attic helmets we're popular with infantry. Boeotian was mostly used by cavalry.
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Thanks. I though they looked like Saleh’s work. That fits stylistically and within the context of yet another 1/2 finished range.
Jim
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yet another 1/2 finished range.
Super frustrating isn't it. And there are fab looking greens in existence for Carthaginians, Mid Republic Romans, Early Spartans in bronze...
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Super frustrating isn't it. And there are fab looking greens in existence for Carthaginians, Mid Republic Romans, Early Spartans in bronze...
Sadly, the Carthaginians were “completed” by one of their Casting Room sculptors. Punic pikemen for the win!
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Sadly, the Carthaginians were “completed” by one of their Casting Room sculptors. Punic pikemen for the win!
No, not those ones, they're an abomination to Gods and men.
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I think they look quite interesting. Especially if you want to paint a few figs.
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I think they look great!
As a second point I like these, but there's no real reason for the nudity or the Boeotian helmets for the sacred band.
I guess as a sculptor you must give them some attributes to separate them from the vanilla hoplites.
How would you made them?
Kind regards
TAX
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I think they look great! I guess as a sculptor you must give them some attributes to separate them from the vanilla hoplites.
How would you made them?
Kind regards
TAX
In matched pairs.
They do look great, I agree.
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Frankly, they are showing four unique sculptures for what's supposed to be a larger band. Even the "box art" shows duplicates of each, which is a bit sad. I do understand the production and sculpting costs, but they are Warlord, i might expect something better in terms of poses.
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Designed to double as statues?
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The lack of variants I supect is a function of an unfinished range.
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The lack of variants I supect is a function of an unfinished range.
I'm sure it is. Still, really not appealing for me, and slightly disappointing too. :(
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He’s done lots of variants of fantasy naked hoplites over the years. How many do you want? :-*
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How many variants would make sense? They are standing in phalanx formation with shield and spear.
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How many variants would make sense? They are standing in phalanx formation with shield and spear.
Well, it's probably me being spoiled, but considering how detailed and characterful the models are i'd say that four poses are definitely too few. I'm generally used to have only unique poses in my skirmish games, but even in formation they would look weird. Especially when you have only two standing models and two attacking one: the variation on the first rank would be between two poses only.
Again, i'm probably not the target for this kind of product, but still.
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Selling packs of 8 figures with 4 poses is something Warlord has done pretty much from the beginning - certainly true for the metal Romans released some 10 years ago now - right until this day. As such, I don't think the sculptor in question has any particular relevance, nor is it a very novel strategy from the company itself. ;)
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Well I like them and given the style of sculpt I'll probably convert some to add it some more variety. I get the frustration of pose limitation but there are ways to overcome that.
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There’s very simple economics here. No one is going to make their money back on a large number of sculpts for a rather fantasy Theban sacred band. The number of completists who would field a unit is vanishingly small, and being button counters they’ll field normal hoplites with perhaps a club painted on the shield.
Thebans aren’t Spartans. They aren’t even Athenians. The demand isn’t there. And that’s before you get into Neanderthal territory about the particular esprit de Corp of the Sacred band, which isn’t going to help sales either, sad to say.
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Super frustrating isn't it. And there are fab looking greens in existence for Carthaginians, Mid Republic Romans, Early Spartans in bronze...
Link? Quite curious myself.
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Link? Quite curious myself.
Apparently Steve Saleh is a rather fickle sculptor. His Greek ranges, which he did for Foundry, were continued or redone under changing lables: at Gorgon Studios (Spartans, Etruscans), Gripping Beast/Polemarch (Hellenistic), and Warlord (Hellenistic). He also did some hoplites and peltasts for his "Lucid Eye" venture, distributed by North Star. The range changed hands shortly after (and repeatedly since then?), but some models haven't resurfaced yet with the Greeks among those. Haven't seen any Carthaginians or Republican Romans from his – admittedly, very talented – hands, yet it's quite possible they are another abandoned and literally vanished project.
I'm not taken by his rendition of the Sacred Band. Like others before, I'm not convinced by their (lack of) equipment and stances. Their background, likely heavily distorted by our sources or simply misunderstood today, had no impact on their appearance. There's a dedicated piece in this issue (https://www.karwansaraypublishers.com/issue-ix-2-2014.html) of Ancient Warfare Magazine on Thebes, worth a read for anyone interested.
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I forgot about the Lucid Eye hoplites. They were very nice sculpts.
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Does anyone know what happened to the Lucid Eye Hoplites and Peltasts he did? I saw a few for sale on eBay lt year alas I did not buy them. They would have mixed well with the Thebans I think.
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Yes, the Lucid Eye hoplites were nice, thought they look a bit heftier than the Warlord Sacred Band. No idea where they ended up. Steve may be holding onto them for a future venture.
Jim
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I contacted Lucid eye a while back and was able to get a heap cast up. I think you just need to ask these days.
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I recently went back to painting Foundry Greeks Steve designed. Even now they are better dynamically and they paint up better than most newer ranges.
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I confess I couldn't resist giving mine pink tunics.
A little bit homophobic....
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I contacted Lucid eye a while back and was able to get a heap cast up. I think you just need to ask these days.
That's actually good to know. I wonder why they haven't been advertised yet, while other ranges, namely the "Lost World", are growing.
Cheers anyway. :)
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A little bit homophobic....
I doubt anyone homophobic is going to be painting and fielding the Sacred band.
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A little bit homophobic....
I'm bi. Is your knee a little bit jerky, perhaps, sweetheart?
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lol 'a little bit knee jerky', I stand by my earlier statement.
So what it if you are bi..... inferring an elite uni......
F**k it, I can't be bothered by it.....
:-)
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Save your outrage.
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To reiterate a point that has been made countless times of the medieval boards and probably here too, while red was a very popular colour, dying techniques weren't very permanent and the colour soon faded to, well, pink.
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My reds are fabulous!
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Fierce Kitty you crack me up ... lol lol lol lol
Orchomeno , you ar not bad either. lol lol
Cant say I like those Warlord Theban Sacred Band Sculpts much at all..wont be buying them ..
As far as painting Ancients goes , gotta say I have seen so many beutifully Painted Hoplites ... that all looked Rubbish to my eye.. o_o o_o o_o
I call them "Walt Disney Hoplites ", for their Garish Non Historical Inept colour pallette .. guys think Pastel always .. no bright colours ... lol lol
Cheers