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Miniatures Adventure => Fantasy Adventures => Topic started by: Belgian on March 20, 2018, 06:10:11 PM
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Looks like Fireforge Games is planning a fantasy miniatures and rules kickstarter featuring no less than six plastic sets divided among two factions! The Kickstarter will feature the fierce Northmen and their opponents which are currently named plagued humans. The Kickstarter is planned for summer but will only launch when all miniatures are ready.
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http://wargameterrain.blogspot.be/2018/03/breaking-fireforge-games-fantasy.html (http://wargameterrain.blogspot.be/2018/03/breaking-fireforge-games-fantasy.html)
These look superb to represent some popular fantasy Northern House involving wolves and the like!
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They sure are skirting very close to edge there, right? I don't know much about IP law, really do hope they don't get in trouble. Looks like a nice kit, good sculpting compared to some of their other offerings.
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I understand the concerns and thought of those myself but that said, I think the miniature as shown is simply equipped with historical equipment and therefor not an infringement of intellectual property. Should they produce more specific miniatures/ equipment such as heraldry, then I think they should be aware of the dangers involved in that but for the moment, I think they're safe. They look rather cool though!
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They look like normal figures to me, what IP rights would they be close to?
GW doesn't own "guy with sword", even though they probably think they do.
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Yep, you'd have zero legs to stand on complaining about that in court. Personally I think that sample looks fantastic - if that's properly indicative of what they'll look like - excellent. I fear it's a high dollar 3D print which is more detailed than the final products will be in plastic. Love the aesthetic. I'd absolutely grab some depending on price/options.
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I like Fireforge stuff a lot. I'm not sure about these though they are a bit meh to my eyes (not the sculpting just the style). Having said that I assume these will be compatible with their other sets so they might still be useful for kit bashing.
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Another good set of meaty humans never hurts. I am a bit more excited for the new NorthStar HP humans to be honest tho.
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They look like normal figures to me, what IP rights would they be close to?
GW doesn't own "guy with sword", even though they probably think they do.
Not GW this time, but there is a Game of thrones miniatures game from CMON that got kickstarted, and I gotta say, looking at the model posted and looking at the north/stark army from the show...
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2M1YPt29G_E/TgIq5FhzlQI/AAAAAAAACGw/1YayX4cWtFo/s1600/CatStark.png)
Legal wise? Not a clue. But I pretty sure this isn't a coincidence.
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Calling them Northmen is a bit on the nose. If the plagued humans are just a horde of medieval zombies they could be alright, but if they are led by blue blokes on undead horses...
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The bodies, arms, weapons etc are extremely generic and pretty boring. The silly, bulbous coal-scuttle helmets are clearly a reference to HBO's GOT Starks - it's a highly distinctive look. Mainly because it's so odd. Personally I thought they looked pants in the series, and I think they look pants on the figure too, but that's just me. I doubt HBO will bother litigating for IPR infringement, although you never can tell. They (or George RR Martin?) have, after all, only recently licensed an 'official' range of ASOIAF miniatures via CMON's much heralded fantasy battles game...
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The bodies, arms, weapons etc are extremely generic and pretty boring. The silly, bulbous coal-scuttle helmets are clearly a reference to HBO's GOT Starks - it's a highly distinctive look.
Advanced Heroquest henchmen did all that first, including the bulbous helmet, and I think that's why I'm liking what I've seen so far. For some reason boring and generic* is how I want my fantasy mooks. They're there to die quickly and in large numbers after all. :D
*They're so boring and generic it's very easy to forget they're lifted from GOT...
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Ahh, Trask soldiers for Tame of groans , Or A song of flies and pyre....
They look nice enough, I'm sure they'll look great ranked up with a few perry bits thrown in for flavour, but I've always found firefroge figures to be a bit MEH on close inspection.
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It's my understanding that the Cool Mini or Not game is licensed directly from Martin and doesn't have anything to do with the show. Certainly if you look at the figures they don't resemble the show at all. Thank god for that in my opinion.
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I like Fireforge stuff a lot. I'm not sure about these though they are a bit meh to my eyes (not the sculpting just the style). Having said that I assume these will be compatible with their other sets so they might still be useful for kit bashing.
Seen a pic on Facebook and they are a lot bigger than their historical range.
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The bodies, arms, weapons etc are extremely generic and pretty boring. The silly, bulbous coal-scuttle helmets are clearly a reference to HBO's GOT Starks - it's a highly distinctive look. Mainly because it's so odd. Personally I thought they looked pants in the series, and I think they look pants on the figure too, but that's just me. I doubt HBO will bother litigating for IPR infringement, although you never can tell. They (or George RR Martin?) have, after all, only recently licensed an 'official' range of ASOIAF miniatures via CMON's much heralded fantasy battles game...
Is all Fireforge Plastic so generic and boring, or only this Fantasy box?
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Seen a pic on Facebook and they are a lot bigger than their historical range.
Really? That seems like a waste of good modularity. Though as mentioned before these guys are supposed to be 3d prints, maybe the final plastics will end up "correctly" sized.
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As far as I know they are supposed to be 28mm!?
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They posted a size comparison on their facebook
(https://i.imgur.com/mzLoROQ.jpg)
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As mentioned above, they remind me first of all of the old Advanced Heroquest henchmen.
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Sizewise they seem to fit in perfectly, and going from this one picture, interchangability of parts with other ranges should not be too much of an issue either.
I for one am pretty interested. And not only because of a nostalgic streak (Hero Quest), but also because they seem destined for a future of many, many uses. Especially whem combined with all the new plastic mulitpart kits being issued by North Star and other manufacturers.
What a time to be alive... :D
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They posted a size comparison on their facebook
(https://i.imgur.com/mzLoROQ.jpg)
That’s the pic seem to be frostgrave? Early Gw sized?
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Bang on current GW human, since that's a current range Greatsword. A bit chunkier than the Greatsword guy, but so are all GW humans for 40k these days. Not that GW does many (any) human-sized figures for AoS, but they've notionally at least not changed scale.
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Very interesting News, as mentioned earlier with all the other fireforge and frostgrave kits around there are a lot of possibilities for a Fantasy and/or GOT army.
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Very interesting News, as mentioned earlier with all the other fireforge and frostgrave kits around there are a lot of possibilities for a Fantasy and/or GOT army.
We are reaching a point where I would love to be able to buy one of each of the frostgrave and fireforge sprues. What a cornucopia of options for rpg and skirmish models that would make!
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We are reaching a point where I would love to be able to buy one of each of the frostgrave and fireforge sprues. What a cornucopia of options for rpg and skirmish models that would make!
That is exactly what I do now (well, OK, sometimes it’s two sprues). Most of the Fireforge, Northstar, Perry, Warlord and Victrix sprues are available on eBay (in the UK at least).
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Looking on Google for Medieval helmet styles I get "Celeta Helmet" which seems pretty close. Or "Venetian Sallet".
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It’s a visorless sallet style, but no historical helmet I’ve seen has that empty bulbous crown or sits so high on the head. If you look at pictures of WOTR re-enactors (the Wars of the Roses being the epitome of the sallet age), you’re unlikely to see anything like those vaguely phallic HBO helmets with a big pocket of air on top of the head. Which is what the FF version is blatantly modelled on. They just look daft to me, but since it’s fantasy, I guess it matters not :)
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It’s a visorless sallet style, but no historical helmet I’ve seen has that empty bulbous crown or sits so high on the head. If you look at pictures of WOTR re-enactors (the Wars of the Roses being the epitome of the sallet age), you’re unlikely to see anything like those vaguely phallic HBO helmets with a big pocket of air on top of the head. Which is what the FF version is blatantly modelled on. They just look daft to me, but since it’s fantasy, I guess it matters not :)
I wonder if it'd be effective? You could stuff the empty space with rags/straw/leather and it'd add extra padding in the style of a contemporary cycle helmet, could offer protection from bashing and being thrown around. The empty pocket could even serve to slow blows to the head, as a blow from a hammer or mace would dent the helm but not be certain of getting the skull.
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It's also where you stow your mid-battle beef jerky so it doesn't get wet or stolen.
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It's also where you stow your mid-battle beef jerky so it doesn't get wet or stolen.
Just as I'm about to go to bed you mention beef jerky and now all i can think is how much I want beef jerky.
Damn your elbows elbows.
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I swear I've seen similar helmets from a non-medieval-europe historical context. Ancient middle-east maybe?
At any rate, I don't mind the look of the mini. Interested in seeing more of this kit.
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I personally like what we've seen so far. Looking forward to seeing the rest of the kit.
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Its cold in the north.
HBO got that right, very few northern soldiers wears uncovered chain or plate armour, leather is usually the outer layer. I bet those bulbous helmest are necessary because most northern soldiers wear knitted caps with tassels. Cause, you know, winter is coming.
I cant tell if the northern soldier is chunkier then the two comparison models or if he's just wearing more clothing. Frostgrave soldiers and barbarians should be perfect donorkits for head and weapon swaps.
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Bang on current GW human, since that's a current range Greatsword. A bit chunkier than the Greatsword guy, but so are all GW humans for 40k these days. Not that GW does many (any) human-sized figures for AoS, but they've notionally at least not changed scale.
Not up to date on current gw ranges. :)
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saw now this thread, here a new wip picture :)
(https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/30739686_1945589105460404_9072640872566226944_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=59629ede6e95a07bdb46b7bb23ef8922&oe=5B62C330)
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Also more pics here.
http://www.beastsofwar.com/fireforge-games/preview-minis-northmen-kickstarter/
Looking interesting :)
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And more here
http://wargameterrain.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03/breaking-fireforge-games-fantasy.html?m=1
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I will certainly look out for them when (if) they get to retail.
Is there any news about the other ranges they propose?
As an aside, Fireforge have not looked at their website on a tablet, it has issues of visibility.
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Lools like some decent Stark / Bolton fantasy army coming, and as it's fantasy, I won't like to discuss any historical references here. But as Fireforge has announced cavalry as well within the coming kickstarter, I must have to see horse models first (and no 3D's) as their current horses are not to my taste at all ...
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Looking at the first models for the upcoming northern infantry, cavalry and archers (flaming arrows, that's so great) this will be the most interesting thing in the near future. As mentioned above this is looking like a Bolton Army and I am really sure that I will buy a lot of them...
... but one little thing crossed my mind. Wouldn't it be better to have other shields like those included in the foot sergeant boxes? The reason why: it would be much more easier (for me) to make own decals and most of the guys in GOT tv series wear medieval shields (here I ignore Greyjoy and those Boltons in the battle of the bastards)
Or second idea: wouldn't it be great to have two different shield options in every box? It's only my idea and I would be happy to hear your opinion.
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Lools like some decent Stark / Bolton fantasy army coming, and as it's fantasy, I won't like to discuss any historical references here. But as Fireforge has announced cavalry as well within the coming kickstarter, I must have to see horse models first (and no 3D's) as their current horses are not to my taste at all ...
It is not only the horse, what is their problem. Some of the Middleage-stuff is also not really made for make us in times of the plastic Perrys happy...
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We are reaching a point where I would love to be able to buy one of each of the frostgrave and fireforge sprues. What a cornucopia of options for rpg and skirmish models that would make!
Check sleazebay if you haven't already. I've only bought single sprues in the past and most of them seem to be up there.
As always when a new kit comes out, looking forward to seeing what Captian Blood does with them!
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I thought the horse renders they showed on facebook looked decent enough, but then they went and posted Richard Lionheart on a god awful derp steed. Fingers crossed they get it right at laest this one time.
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Think the horses look rather good, check the new preview.
By the way, make sure to check this post as I keep adding new pictures when they appear.
http://wargameterrain.blogspot.com/2018/03/breaking-fireforge-games-fantasy.html (http://wargameterrain.blogspot.com/2018/03/breaking-fireforge-games-fantasy.html)
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Great NMM painting ...
The horse, well, looks decent enough overall, but the hooves seem to be massive, the legs a tad too short? Must see other pics and views.