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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: Agis on March 24, 2018, 11:22:19 AM
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Soooo SW Legion... being a Star Wars fan I was interested right from the start.
In addition, the more of the rules were introduced, I realised that the game shares some key design elements with my Victory Decision rules. Movement, Suppression markers, alternate unit activation etc.
Always a nice, warm feeling! ;)
The one thing that soon made my less happy were the 1st miniature pictures, for whatever reason FFG chose a different scale as in their Imperial Assault miniatures.
So after getting the game a couple of days ago, I decided to assemble a squad of Stormtroopers and line them up against other SW minis.
(http://www.adpublishing.de/SWL_Comp2.jpg)
from left to right FFG Imperial Assault, Legion, the OOP Knight Model Troopers, Legion, the OOP “bendy” WotC mini and Legion.
(http://www.adpublishing.de/assets/images/SWL_Comp1.jpg)
And together with another well know miniature line: FFG Legion, GW Primaris Space Marine and Legion.
As you can see the minis are bigger than all other Stormtrooper minis so far release by other companies and FFG themselves.
The minis are of the same quality as Imperial Assault, mold line removal is still a pain, they also share the same mini design style, slightly heroic proportion.
Detail is OK, not as good as GW and way below crisp castings like Prodos AvP or Modiphius Star Trek.
One more thing - being plastic and all, mini conversion will be easy!
A wasted opportunity: Why FFG chose to make them bigger as Imperial Assault minis will always remain a secret for me, IMO they lost a great opportunity of cross promoting the games.
It would be a lot of fun to field the 6 heroes of the core IA box as an elite Rebel commando. The “would be” possibilities are big, unfortunately now they are no more an option.
All in all I am a bit disappointed with Legion, but I have to play a game and paint some of the minis for a final “judgement”.
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I saw these in the FLGS yesterday and was almost tempted to buy some for scale comparison. The prices put me off, and I now see it was the correct decision :(
Wasted opportunity indeed, and a self inflicted problem by FFG
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Since I don‘t have Imperial Assault I hope FFG re-issues some of the IA characters for Legion. But yes, making it a different scale seems like an odd decision.
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Marketing interests always win with players interest
Unfortunately with brand as large as SW they will sell anyway and no one will take the lesson ..
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Not as bad as I had feared sizewise. Yet, the material is obviously not worth the money they charge. It’s really a pity.
As Agis said, how much fun would it have been to combine IA and Legion? I mean it’s not that GW lives from these synergies since decades!
And what’s really killing it for me is the (poor) quality of the sculpts and material. I’m happy working on my plastic heap of Conan and Mythic Battles: Pantheon then.
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I'm desperate to fiddle with a Star Wars project...and while I'm enthused about the idea of a potential genuine line of wargaming miniatures for Star Wars I am sad with the quality of material they've chosen. I'll pick up a small set and see if I think I can use it. If it's too annoying I'll have to skip it.
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Addition: The material of the speeder bikes and the small walker is different and BETTER!
Very decent.
BTW - I picked up by accident a German edition, boy the translation SUCKS beyond believe. YAK!!!
Trooper = Truppler (the word does not even exist in German)
Speeder bike = Düsenschlitten (literally Jetsled)...
Oh my...
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It was a board decision regarding the scale, not really FFG's fault.
It'll stop me from buying into it though :?
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Addition: The material of the speeder bikes and the small walker is different and BETTER!
Very decent.
BTW - I picked up by accident a German edition, boy the translation SUCKS beyond believe. YAK!!!
Trooper = Truppler (the word does not even exist in German)
Speeder bike = Düsenschlitten (literally Jetsled)...
Oh my...
I will get the german edition, can you work with the rules to play it. Or is it so bad and I should try to get the English?
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I agree with Agis and everyone else that the larger scale is a mistake. Though I am going to check out the old bendy wotc SW to see if there are any alien heads I can use. Some of those were oversized. Just a matter of time before someone produces alternate resin or 3D printed heads & arms. While most 28-30mm stuff is too small, some oversized GW heads and hands seem like they could work. Catachan bits, bare marines heads, etc. the newer better proportioned GW figures, like the Orlocks or genestealr cult figures, look too small to use when I compared them.
As for material, I have assembled the rebel’s from the main box. The infantry figures are stiffer than the usual board game figures but not hard plastic miniatures. Like Agis mentioned, removing mold lines is a pain. Though the AT-RT and speeder bikes are hard plastic. But also with FFG being primarily a board game company they are trying to appeal to a broad market so the figures are partially assembled. The AT-RT main body halves I received have a slight gap near the back because it was glued in the factory. Also because the infantry is not hard plastic I had to trim the tabs on the arms of a number of figures to get them to fit properly.
On a positive note the figures are the most detailed SW gaming figures I have seen produced. But sadly they are still not the high quality I was really wanting. Since I never bought into X-wing, Armada or Imperial Assault I will at least give Legion a chance. At the least I can use the figures with other rules.
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I will get the german edition, can you work with the rules to play it. Or is it so bad and I should try to get the English?
It works, but it just sounds very awkward most of the time!
I downloaded the english version asap...
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OK, one day later. After much whining I got my sxxx together and painted Captain Rex. Since it was confirmed in Rebels that he fought on Endor, I just had to paint him.
(http://www.adpublishing.de/SWL_Rex.jpg)
See:
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/8/87/NikSant-ROTJ.png/revision/latest?cb=20130410043044)
I also put him side by side with some other minis, the Rebels are not as tall as the Stormtrooper, so I might be able to sneak in some Imperial Assault minis!
(http://www.adpublishing.de/SWL_Rex_Han_Chewie_Comp1.jpg)
Han (IA), Rex (Legion), Chewie (IA) - works!
(http://www.adpublishing.de/assets/images/SWL_Rex_Rebels_Comp1.jpg)
Hera (IA), Rex (Legion), Chopper (IA) - works!
(http://www.adpublishing.de/assets/images/SWL_Rex_Historic_Comp1.jpg)
Tanith 1st Infantryman (GW 28mm), Rex (Legion 35mm), WWII US Inafntryman (Artizan 28mm) - no way!
more as always on my site: http://www.adpublishing.de/html/legion.html
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That's useful to know about the Rebels. Please feel free to post up any other potential Legion - Imperial Assault combos! As it was clearly a choice not to make them compatible I can't help but think that it was either some sort of licensing stipulation or just to keep the systems separate for commercial reasons.
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I was able to get my hands on the Imperial forces and put some paint on them. I'd post images, but I'm still having issues with photo hosting. (Thanks Photobucket.) I really enjoyed painting the Stormtroopers, and Darth Vader. And the AT-ST is absolutely awesome. The plastic is an improvement over the Imperial Assault stuff in my opinion. It doesn't bend as much, and it doesn't fray as badly when you run a knife blade across the seams. The scales may be off, but the scales for the whole Imperial Assault range was all over the place. This is wild speculation, but I think the re-scaling issue has something to do with Hasbro, and their claims against Imperial Assault.
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I also put him side by side with some other minis, the Rebels are not as tall as the Stormtrooper, so I might be able to sneak in some Imperial Assault minis!
(http://www.adpublishing.de/SWL_Rex_Han_Chewie_Comp1.jpg)
Han (IA), Rex (Legion), Chewie (IA) - works!
That doesn't look to bad, I may have to pick up an IA Han Solo to replace the horrible looking Legion Han they announced
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Yup, Han is fitting! And way better than the horrible Legion sculpt!
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Thanks Agis for the photos. The rebel Rex looks nice. I'd love to see more IA comparisons with Legion or at least a list. I would consider getting some of the IA miniatures, especially rebels or scum & villainy to add some characters or a special unit to a game.
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Thanks Agis for the photos. The rebel Rex looks nice. I'd love to see more IA comparisons with Legion or at least a list. I would consider getting some of the IA miniatures, especially rebels or scum & villainy to add some characters or a special unit to a game.
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Will do! Since I have more or less everything from IA, just let me know if you want a particular comparison.
BTW, I was almost laughing how much our assesment of Legion was the same! :)
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I don't want to take advantage of your generosity. But this is my ideal list below. Really if you just want to compare the humans to the Legion Rebels that would be fine. I figure you can probably fudge the scale with the aliens easier. Thank you very much!
Core Box
Jyn Odan
Gideon Argus
Diala Passil
Fenn Signis
Mak Eshka'rey
Twin Shadows
Saska Teft
Jabba’s Realm
Shyla Varad
Onar Koma
Vinto Hreeda
Heart Of the Empire
Ko-Tun Feralo
Drokkatta
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I will post some pics next to the Core Box and Twin Shadow heroes next weekend.
Since I have not painted the Jabba’s Realm and Heart Of the Empire heroes these have to wait...
;)
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Fantastic painting as always, I love the way you manage somehow to make things clean and gritty at the same time. 8)
Quick question (and it may be a stupid one since I am not up to date with the ever expanding SWU) - is Rex the same Captain Rex from the Clone Wars? I know a couple of them managed to disobey Order 66, but is the Rebels series not set before the Battle of Endor? So how can it confirm that Rex was there...?
I'm missing something really obvious no doubt. Either way, Rex looks aces, but obviously being a Maori wears off as you get older... lol
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Quick question (and it may be a stupid one since I am not up to date with the ever expanding SWU) - is Rex the same Captain Rex from the Clone Wars?
It is the same Captain Rex from the Clone Wars. He and a few other clones were introduced a few series ago.
This link does a good job of explaining his background - http://www.denofgeek.com/us/tv/star-wars/263852/star-wars-rebels-finale-reveals-that-captain-rex-was-in-return-of-the-jedi (http://www.denofgeek.com/us/tv/star-wars/263852/star-wars-rebels-finale-reveals-that-captain-rex-was-in-return-of-the-jedi).
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but obviously being a Maori wears off as you get older... lol
Yeah, I find it a bit of a stretch to be honest but there we go. Still a great figure :)
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It is the same Captain Rex from the Clone Wars. He and a few other clones were introduced a few series ago.
This link does a good job of explaining his background - http://www.denofgeek.com/us/tv/star-wars/263852/star-wars-rebels-finale-reveals-that-captain-rex-was-in-return-of-the-jedi (http://www.denofgeek.com/us/tv/star-wars/263852/star-wars-rebels-finale-reveals-that-captain-rex-was-in-return-of-the-jedi).
Thanks Nozza, that clears things up nicely. :)
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Couldn't explain it better! Thanks.
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Hey Agis,
Seen the recent Rebels announcement for Imperial Assault?
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2018/4/13/spectres-tyrants-and-pirates/ (https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2018/4/13/spectres-tyrants-and-pirates/)
(https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/fb/b0/fbb052b3-b236-443b-9a40-344ba49e820c/swi55-58_plastics-all.png)
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Oh yes, I will get them for sure... ;)
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Hey Agis,
Seen the recent Rebels announcement for Imperial Assault?
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2018/4/13/spectres-tyrants-and-pirates/ (https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2018/4/13/spectres-tyrants-and-pirates/)
(https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/fb/b0/fbb052b3-b236-443b-9a40-344ba49e820c/swi55-58_plastics-all.png)
That looks great. I'm going to carry on collecting (hopefully someday painting and playing...) IA and it's good to see that they are continuing to support the line. I've got all the core boxes and about 20 or so expansion packs, so at this point it shouldn't take too much effort to keep up with theh IA releases.
Especially glad to see Thrawn getting a fig. I read those novels as a kid and enjoyed them.
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I am looking forward to them, although I'd have preferred season two figures to at least go with the Ahsoka figure that's already out there.
I may convert Kanan and Ezra, which shouldn't be too difficult. It is the second version of his lightsaber (I thought they'd just got it wrong, so checked), so I'd probably have to tweak that as well
I really hope that photo is an amalgam of different shots as otherwise the scale is all over the place
Back on Star Wars Legion - quick question - are the speeder bikes usable with Imperial Assault figures? I'm hoping that as the figures are seated it won't be so noticeable, but if anyone has any first hand experience that would be great.