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Miniatures Adventure => The Second World War => Topic started by: Plynkes on April 29, 2009, 11:14:04 AM
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Hello there. Sorry if this has been done to death, I don't usually keep up on WWII and interwar stuff, but I have recently acquired a sudden urge for a new mini-project.
So, does anybody make an Italian CV 3/33 (L3/33), or L3 Lf tankette, or anything of that nature somewhere near compatible with 28mm? A quick browse of the usual suspects came up with nothing, but I'm not sure where to look really.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-783-0107-272.jpg)
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Chieftain used to do them, and they are, AFAIK, still available via Anglian Miniatures. I?ve got two of them. Lovely little critters:
(http://www.displacedminiatures.com/images/img.1194549651293.jpg)
Granted, it?s a 3/35, but I think you can build a 33 as well from the kit.
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Thanks, Chris. That's great news. The not so great news is that it's currently listed as "being remastered", so it looks like I'm going to have to be patient.
I'm not good at that.
Are we nearly there yet?
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Army Group North has L3/35 and L3 (is that close enough?):
http://www.agnminiatures.com/html/italy.html
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Right. I was in the middle of replying to this post when we were so rudely interrupted. Where was I? Ah yes...
Thanks, Will. Yes, those are just as good for my purposes. All three of those tankette types saw service in the theatre I want them for, and I'm not all that fussy which exact model I have. That flamethrower one is very tempting.
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I have one of the Anglian ones sat doing nothing if you want it sir.
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Grrr. In the LAF downtime I already ordered some of those Army Group North ones Will linked to. If for some reason they don't come I'll take you up on that Svennn, thanks.
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Well you're welcome to it either way. I have had it over a year and it has sat on the shelf looking at me everytime I sit down to paint and thats the way it will stay. Cant even remember what prompted the purchase in the first place.
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Cant even remember what prompted the purchase in the first place.
Something called O.S.S.*. I have a fairly chronic case myself.
*Ooooooooooh, Shiny Syndrome
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Company B has the Chieftain masters for these. Give them a jingle www.companyb.biz
Cheers,
Jeff @ JTFM
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What model do you require. CV3/33 or CV3/35?
They are different in very subtle ways.
I have a completed CV3/35 tankette going off to the casters in the morning, it will be complete with two crew. and its a very nice little model.
I will back date the master to the CV3/33. and do a couple of flamethrower variations too.
Nigel H
Anglian Miniatures
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Force of Arms also have the models including the Flame version.
I've a number of them and they are so so cute. :-*
http://www.forceofarms.co.uk/catalogue.pdf
Helen
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Helen beat me to the punch:) The FOA CV35 and CV35/f are very nice pieces indeed. I've got one of them for supporting my Anglian CTV. Wouldn't mind picking up a few more.
-Doc
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Well thanks, chaps. I've certainly got lots of options if those ones I ordered don't arrive, or if I decide I don't like them. :)
Kind of wish I'd waited for the Anglian ones now that I know they'll come with crew. But I had that "I want it now!" feeling. CV3/33, CV3/35, I ain't fussy, as I already said. Got a bit of a hankering for the flamethrower version, though. Maybe I'll get some more!
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Here are my Force of Arms CVs:
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s266/HelenBachaus/ForceofArmsItalianFlammTankettes1.jpg)
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s266/HelenBachaus/ForceofArmsItalianFlammTankettes.jpg)
Helen
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Beautiful work on these, Helen. Any officer would be glad to have them in his command:)
-Alex
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What model do you require. CV3/33 or CV3/35?
They are different in very subtle ways.
I have a completed CV3/35 tankette going off to the casters in the morning, it will be complete with two crew. and its a very nice little model.
I will back date the master to the CV3/33. and do a couple of flamethrower variations too.
Nigel H
Anglian Miniatures
This is very good news indeed!
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Sorry, Helen. I tend to regard "chaps" as non-gender specific! :)
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I don't think they did scare the Ethiopians all that much. They took out at least two by close assault, if I remember right. Presumably Haile Selassie's troops were armed with tin-openers! :)
I also read that the Ethiopians had PaK 35s, sold to them by Hitler, who had had a tiff with Mussolini and wanted to spite him. Now the PaK 35/36 was ridiculed as the "door knocker", but I still wouldn't want to be shot at by one while driving around in one of those toy tanks.
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Well, they certainly don't qualify as "modern" in the 1940's. But I guess in the Spanish Civil War they were used to some extent and against militias they should be able to do their part.
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I don't think they did scare the Ethiopians all that much. They took out at least two by close assault, if I remember right. Presumably Haile Selassie's troops were armed with tin-openers! :)
I also read that the Ethiopians had PaK 35s, sold to them by Hitler, who had had a tiff with Mussolini and wanted to spite him. Now the PaK 35/36 was ridiculed as the "door knocker", but I still wouldn't want to be shot at by one while driving around in one of those toy tanks.
Sadly, most of the PaK 36s arrived in Djibouti, where they were promptly interned before they ever got to the Ethiopians. As I understand it, very few if any made it through. However, the Ethiopians did have other anti-tank weapons (such as the Bofors gun), and they did have a small number of Fiat 3000B tanks, sold to them by the Italians a few years before "all the trouble".
The most common Ethiopian anti-tank tactic when dealing with a CV was to rush it from the side and tip it over with brute force. Seems to have worked on more than one occasion.
There was also a version mounted with a 20mm Solothurn, which could be used successfully in hull down positions against the lighter
early war British armor, but it was only used in North Africa. The Hungarians experimented with a version armed with their own
copy of the Solothurn (a slightly improved weapon), but were less than impressed, and didn't bother to deploy it to Russia (though they did deploy plenty of the standard L3/35s.)
That said, the CV was very useful when used in its intended role - as a scouting and anti-infantry vehicle - and not used to engage tanks. Nevertheless, if I was an Italian tanker, it would probably be my last choice of command, if I had any say.;)
-Doc
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Well I knew that they took them out in "melee", but tipping them over? How embarrassing! lol
We have to write a special rule for that for Triumph and Tragedy!
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Well I knew that they took them out in "melee", but tipping them over? How embarrassing! lol
We have to write a special rule for that for Triumph and Tragedy!
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How about, jumping on top, hammering on the hatch shouting "open up" in Italian, then beheading the commander when he sticks his head out!!!
Or, rolling boulders down a slope to try and knock the tanks out, or blocking the road, and then attacking the stationary tanks with spears thru the vision slits, and metal poles to try and lever the tracks off!!!
All anti-tank measures used by the Abyssinians :o o_o
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Well I knew that they took them out in "melee", but tipping them over? How embarrassing! lol
We have to write a special rule for that for Triumph and Tragedy!
OK
How about, jumping on top, hammering on the hatch shouting "open up" in Italian, then beheading the commander when he sticks his head out!!!
Or, rolling boulders down a slope to try and knock the tanks out, or blocking the road, and then attacking the stationary tanks with spears thru the vision slits, and metal poles to try and lever the tracks off!!!
All anti-tank measures used by the Abyssinians :o o_o
Wilbur Smith in his Cry Wolf describes all these anti-tank methods (I think he has forgotten to mention the beheading, but the rest worked somehow.
Nice collection you have Helen!
But your new avatar is better!
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You know, I've had "Cry Wolf" knocking about for years and have never read it. I'd better bump it to the top of the list, once I finish my current O'Brian.
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Well I knew that they took them out in "melee", but tipping them over? How embarrassing! lol
We have to write a special rule for that for Triumph and Tragedy!
OK
How about, jumping on top, hammering on the hatch shouting "open up" in Italian, then beheading the commander when he sticks his head out!!!
Or, rolling boulders down a slope to try and knock the tanks out, or blocking the road, and then attacking the stationary tanks with spears thru the vision slits, and metal poles to try and lever the tracks off!!!
All anti-tank measures used by the Abyssinians :o o_o
Wilbur Smith in his Cry Wolf describes all these anti-tank methods (I think he has forgotten to mention the beheading, but the rest worked somehow.
Nice collection you have Helen!
But your new avatar is better!
Thankyou Argyris,
I actually wore an armband similar to this when I was on the island of Bougainville during the Peace Monitoring in 2000.
Here is a link to PMG Wiki:
http://www.opbelisi.com/
I've meant to get a copy of "Cry Wolf" for the purpose of just that an also that a girl is in a Rolls Royce armoured car 8)
Helen
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I always assumed I was a person who basically knows what's going on in the world. After reading your link, Helen, I was put to shame realizing how little I know about people trying to help other people in the world. Respect!
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I always assumed I was a person who basically knows what's going on in the world. After reading your link, Helen, I was put to shame realizing how little I know about people trying to help other people in the world. Respect!
Thankyou, one of many.
Helen