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Miniatures Adventure => Age of the Big Battalions => Topic started by: DintheDin on May 18, 2018, 09:20:03 PM
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Hi gents,
A few days ago, Miltiades and Gregory played the HoW Lobositz scenario.
I was the umpire :( so I had the time to take some pics.
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The field from the side of the Austrians.
Lobositz, Radicati's cavalry (centre), Sullowitz village and the left wing cavalry commanded by Lowenstein
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The field viewed from the Prussian side
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The Prussians, confident for their superiority, advance Kyau's Cavalry against Radicati
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...at the same time the other Prussian cavalry command under Gessler, find that Sullowitz is defended and the Morellenbach brook is too dangerous to pass...
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Lobosch hill is defended by Draskowitz's grenzers. The Prussians use more and more troops to dislocate them, but it is far from easy, light troops behind vineyards and low stone enclosures, firing almost invisible. The Prussians take quite many hits as they force the grenzers to fall back slowly. Lacy sends his troops to reinforce them. The Prussians have to siphon more troops to take the hill!
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A big Prussian dragoon regiment collides with one regiment of Radicati's cuirassiers. After a fierce fight, both were done for.
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In the center, Prussian infantry regiments in successive lines are marching against Lobositz, but the Austrian batteries posted in front are showering them with lethal whiffs of canister!
When we say "lethal" we mean that Gregory is throwing the dice ;)
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Very good AAR , Dinos , I like the cards btw . 👍
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The right wing Prussian cavalry start moving. They decide to reinforce the cavalry battle in the center. Lowenstein's cavalry is undecided. They are afraid to cross Morellenbach as they will be caught in disorder. Moller's heavy guns are turned against them, so they have to change position, still facing the Prussian cavalry at the other side. Both hesitate to cross the brook. Gessler lets one medium cavalry to watch the Austrians. The other two units pass in front of Sullowitz, receiving some distant shooting. They are bound to feed the milling cavalry battle in the center!
One unit of grenzers is barricaded at the sunken road. Could the Prussian advance reach this strategic point?
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Very good AAR , Dinos , I like the cards btw . 👍
Thank you! You caught me in about the middle of the narration. Please, stay tuned ;)
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Unfortunately, the photographer did not catch the clash between Radicati's cavalry and the fresh Gessler Prussian horse, plus the (half remaining) Kyau cuirassiers. The Austrians were too fortunate to lose only one unit ve two of the Prussians and one unit from each side falling back to reform. The cavalry battle in the center petered out, as the Prussians were out of steam. The Prussian battalions still advancing against Lobositz...
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Lowenstein's troops still hesitating to cross Morellenbach
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General view of the situation. The Austrians still hold their positions.
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Lobosch hill is still a big thorn at the Prussian left!
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Finally two Prussian batteries unlimber to pound Lobositz. The howitzer battery managed to set the town on fire, but the Prussian general is reluctant to advance his infantry to take the town, as two of his units were already annihilated by canister fire!
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At his moment, the Prussians had lost four units to one Austrian.
Frederick was sad and decided to leave...
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Great looking game.
Can the rules handle this amount of figures/units?
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Thanks for the report. Love the shots of the cavalry actions. It's one of my favourite battles to play, and battlefields to visit. You seem to have had a lot of fun with it.
I've played it at various troop ratios, from a similar size to yours to one unit per regiment. It always proves a difficult nut to crack for the Prussians, especially if Browne comes across the Morellenbach with his main force to reinforce Lobositz.
The last time I did it I set it up like this, for Derby Worlds.
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tRkp2i3sDbU/V9ZUIWMfMyI/AAAAAAAALQY/h7EgNPPujzwJRBi18UGamGyaIOBBSJQUwCEw/s640/Lobositz%2Bmap.png)
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-inECIkj7VV8/VyjEAwKkhhI/AAAAAAAAKuk/wzlpgKbZBrIlG_cGgLuAVwlzK8LkWs3vgCLcB/s640/Lobositz%2Bdeployments%2B3.jpg)
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very nice pics of a wonderful game...
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Great looking game.
Can the rules handle this amount of figures/units?
Thank you!
Very easily I may say... under Honours of War rules, for this game Prussians have 6 brigades/groups to 5 Austrian, this being considered a medium game.
One of the pros is that you have not to take out figures or elements, so the amount of figures is not a problem.
We played another game with 8+ brigades/groups each side with players who had not much experience and it was concluded in less than three hours.
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Thanks for the report. Love the shots of the cavalry actions. It's one of my favourite battles to play, and battlefields to visit. You seem to have had a lot of fun with it.
I've played it at various troop ratios, from a similar size to yours to one unit per regiment. It always proves a difficult nut to crack for the Prussians, especially if Browne comes across the Morellenbach with his main force to reinforce Lobositz.
The last time I did it I set it up like this, for Derby Worlds.
Glad you liked it!
Indeed, it is very difficult for the Prussians to win this battle, the Prussian player needs to be very careful and not to make unsupported dashing cavalry attacks in the center, but even then, as the Austrians have very good positions he needs wits and luck to dislodge them.
I frequently visit your blog, I've seen pics of the battle, splendid table setup and miniatures painted to perfection! Cheers!
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very nice pics of a wonderful game...
Buddy, anytime you like, we play again!
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Here are some shots of a time I ran this battle. This was run on the 250th anniversary of the battle on the battlefield at Lovosice (Lobositz). The hall was roughly where the Austrian cavalry were by the town. The guys in costume are re-enactors who were also there for the event.
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That's a nice set up WFG', and I like the way the table extends to cover the 'game park' at the far end of Sullowitz and beyond. I was unable to fit that part of the battlefield on table (12 x 6) using 28mm, though I did seriously think about it. It makes such a perfect 'secure flank' for Browne's main force behind the Morellenbach. Next time I set this battle up I think I'll do it on a 15 x 6 (my table to full extension) and ask for a bigger table (even if show organisers prefer 12 x 6 demo games) at the next show we take the game to. I doubt it will make any difference to how the game plays, but it is certainly a 'nice to have' and looks especially good in the shots posted by WFGamers.
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Thanks Olicana.
I should have said that this game was done by the Prague Wargames club and not WF gamers.
We did a few 'run through's' of the game before we settled on doing it the way we did. We did try a more restricted battlefield but this did seem to limit the options a little and of course using smaller scale figures space was not a problem.
So in the end we went with the full table and a twin 'victory' system - one based on who got the better of the actual fighting and the other on the Austrians being ready to withdraw (so based on a time limit). i.e. the twin conditions of the real battle and so both sides could claim 'victory'.
I think we ran the game 5 times in various locations/times. We had 1 outright Austrian victory (i.e. they routed the Prussians), 2 outright Prussian victories (i.e. the routed the Austrians before the time limit) and 2 where both could claim victory - i.e. the Prussians had the best of the fighting but the Austrians achieved their objectives .
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Here are some shots of a time I ran this battle. This was run on the 250th anniversary of the battle on the battlefield at Lovosice (Lobositz). The hall was roughly where the Austrian cavalry were by the town. The guys in costume are re-enactors who were also there for the event.
What a great table with an accurate depiction of the battlefield! And played on the spot! Every wargamer's dream!
And the forces magnificently arrayed for battle! What a sight!
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That's a nice set up WFG', and I like the way the table extends to cover the 'game park' at the far end of Sullowitz and beyond. I was unable to fit that part of the battlefield on table (12 x 6) using 28mm, though I did seriously think about it. It makes such a perfect 'secure flank' for Browne's main force behind the Morellenbach. Next time I set this battle up I think I'll do it on a 15 x 6 (my table to full extension) and ask for a bigger table (even if show organisers prefer 12 x 6 demo games) at the next show we take the game to. I doubt it will make any difference to how the game plays, but it is certainly a 'nice to have' and looks especially good in the shots posted by WFGamers.
Really nice setup!
Our game was played on a 6 x 4 table using 15mm figures.
Both you and WFGamers have a keen eye for historical representations, which is much appreciated!
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Thanks Olicana.
I should have said that this game was done by the Prague Wargames club and not WF gamers.
We did a few 'run through's' of the game before we settled on doing it the way we did. We did try a more restricted battlefield but this did seem to limit the options a little and of course using smaller scale figures space was not a problem.
So in the end we went with the full table and a twin 'victory' system - one based on who got the better of the actual fighting and the other on the Austrians being ready to withdraw (so based on a time limit). i.e. the twin conditions of the real battle and so both sides could claim 'victory'.
I think we ran the game 5 times in various locations/times. We had 1 outright Austrian victory (i.e. they routed the Prussians), 2 outright Prussian victories (i.e. the routed the Austrians before the time limit) and 2 where both could claim victory - i.e. the Prussians had the best of the fighting but the Austrians achieved their objectives .
I like very much the twin victory concept, I'll try to apply it in the very next historical scenario we are going to play!
Also, this system gives better prospects to the Prussian to win the game, as proved by the 5 different games you tried. Very nice idea! Thanks for sharing! Cheers!
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The twin victory conditions do make for a very different scenario. I like the idea too.
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The twin victory conditions do make for a very different scenario. I like the idea too.
Of course, the victory conditions may be (more or less) influenced by the kind of ruleset used.
We used Honours of War rules. May I ask, please, what set of rules you used?
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Our games were circa 2006 and so before Honours of War. I do not think that these rules are good so we would not have used them. We used an early version of what will be the Polemos SYW rules. These have been delayed a long time but are supposed to be published later in the year.
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Our games were circa 2006 and so before Honours of War. I do not think that these rules are good so we would not have used them. We used an early version of what will be the Polemos SYW rules. These have been delayed a long time but are supposed to be published later in the year.
I like to read all games rules that fall in my hands. I'll be looking out for them.
Thanks for your reply.