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Title: 'Old Citadel Nostalgia' - an ongoing project.
Post by: Cubs on May 25, 2018, 08:48:51 AM
Okay, I've actually put it down now, so I kind of have to do it.

I've had this idea in the back of my mind for ages to grab some of the old Runequest models I played with as a kid (they all belonged to my brother) and paint them up.

First up is the unaligned adventurer from the Runequest Adventurers #2 boxed set, but I've painted him up as Daka Fal, with a spirit rune on his shield. This guy is one of my all time favourites - just such a classic, simple pose but one that is still full of dynamism. He sums up the aesthetic joys of Oldhammer collecting to me - a bit of wistful sentimentality that reminds me of my childhood, combined with wonderful sculpting (but awful casting by today's standards).

(https://myalbum.com/photo/f6Ei0GRvNoyv/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/MFDDMpzJLDv5/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/ckkLn0oHbWTN/1k0.jpg)
 
Title: Re: Runequest - nostalgia project
Post by: Hobgoblin on May 25, 2018, 10:30:50 AM
Brilliant! Superb paintwork on a terrific miniature (I have him somewhere, but with his legs long detached from his ankles, I fear...). The weathering on the shield is fantastic.

There's a real magic about those old Perry sculpts. I love the fact that the adventurer actually looks like an adventurer, complete with baggage and gear. This thread could be just the inspiration I need to set to work on my long-neglected stockpile of broo.
Title: Re: Runequest - nostalgia project
Post by: Cubs on May 25, 2018, 10:43:15 AM
That's a good plan - I haven't got the Broo sets and in all fairness, lovely as they are, I just can't afford the emotional or financial outlay to start collecting them now.
Title: Re: Runequest - nostalgia project
Post by: LeadAsbestos on May 25, 2018, 11:53:23 AM
Watching intently! My own RQ project has just started (again!) and this will be some fine inspiration. Great painting!
The Broo are still some of my favorite minis of all time, but the Trolls... Not so much! ::)
Title: Re: Runequest - nostalgia project
Post by: Cubs on May 25, 2018, 11:57:20 AM
I really like the trolls, it's just a pity that they're not proper Runequest trolls with dog faces.
Title: Re: Runequest - nostalgia project
Post by: JollyBob on May 25, 2018, 02:25:08 PM
Oh now that is lovely! Beautifully grungy and battleworn, I love it.  8)

I think I have this figure in the bottom of a box somewhere, with some others of the range - a Hercules type with a club, an archer and one in similar armour to this but with a two handed sword. They have languished there for a few years as they are old, rough casts but seeing this makes me want to get them out for a clean up and see what I can do... 
Title: Re: Runequest - nostalgia project
Post by: Cubs on May 25, 2018, 02:36:28 PM
I think I have this figure in the bottom of a box somewhere, with some others of the range - a Hercules type with a club, an archer and one in similar armour to this but with a two handed sword.


The club fella sounds like the Issaries adventurer from the box #1. The archer sounds like the Aldyra adventurer from box #2. The guy with the two-handed sword could either be the Humankt adventurer from box #1 or the Orlanth adventurer (my next subject) from box #2.

 
Title: Re: Runequest - nostalgia project
Post by: JollyBob on May 25, 2018, 02:41:05 PM
I bow to your superior knowledge, you may as well be typing random letters as far as I'm concerned as I have no experience of RQ and inherited the figures from a friend.

People keep telling me its a great system/world but I've just never had the opportunity to try it.
Title: Re: Runequest - nostalgia project
Post by: Cubs on May 25, 2018, 03:06:07 PM
I haven't played the game in 30 years or so - I understand the various versions changed a bit over the years. But basically the players can choose to follow a certain cult, which has various traits with its advantages and disadvantages and allows them to interact with other cults in certain ways. Just one of the nice bits of flavour to make Runequest stand out from similar D&D style games.
Title: Re: Runequest - nostalgia project
Post by: Wachaza on May 25, 2018, 03:27:53 PM
I really like the trolls, it's just a pity that they're not proper Runequest trolls with dog faces.
In fairness to Citadel they do match the pre trollpak artwork from Runemasters very well. Trollpak defined the Gloranthan troll with the Lisa A Free artwork.
Title: Re: Runequest - nostalgia project
Post by: Cubs on May 25, 2018, 04:30:49 PM
In fairness to Citadel they do match the pre trollpak artwork from Runemasters very well. Trollpak defined the Gloranthan troll with the Lisa A Free artwork.

Ah, is that how it happened? I always wondered why they didn't match properly.
Title: Re: Runequest - nostalgia project
Post by: Keith on May 25, 2018, 05:55:48 PM
Gosh, I thatís come out well.
Iíve so much nostalgia for this range ... probably a good idea to avoid eBay for a few days.
Title: Re: Runequest - nostalgia project
Post by: pelonas on May 25, 2018, 06:22:22 PM
That shield...  :o
Title: Re: Runequest - nostalgia project
Post by: Blasphemia Blackwood on May 25, 2018, 07:04:50 PM
Exquisite! The colour palette is appealing, and the wear and tear on the shield is so well done. Looking forward to the next one.
Title: Re: Runequest - nostalgia project
Post by: Captain Blood on May 25, 2018, 07:32:16 PM
Excellent Cubs. I had that whole original boxed set of Runequest figures. Thought I still had them somewhere, but looked for them a while back and couldnít find them. Must have sold them on... Wish I hadnít now...  :'(
Title: Re: Runequest - nostalgia project
Post by: thebinmann on May 25, 2018, 07:34:36 PM
Lovely

Do you have any ducks coming?
Title: Re: Runequest - nostalgia project
Post by: Cubs on May 25, 2018, 07:52:36 PM
Excellent Cubs. I had that whole original boxed set of Runequest figures. Thought I still had them somewhere, but looked for them a while back and couldnít find them. Must have sold them on... Wish I hadnít now...  :'(

They not overly expensive, I'm pleased to say. You can pick them up for about £5-£10ea even on eBay, and I managed to buy a full boxed set for £40 on a FB trading page.

Lovely

Do you have any ducks coming?


The duck is on the list.
Title: Re: Runequest - nostalgia project
Post by: JollyBob on May 25, 2018, 08:15:50 PM
Had a look and yes I have all the figures I thought I had, lovely dynamic sculpts, I think they may have to feel a brush soon,but only to preserve them from the rot.

I also seem to have two copies of another figure in a Corinthian helmet striking out from behind a figure eight shield (sorry, don't know if they have real name looks kinda like a cello...)

They're old casts with all the attendant mould line issues, but does anyone want the spare?  ???
Title: Re: Runequest - nostalgia project
Post by: LeadAsbestos on May 25, 2018, 08:21:39 PM
Let's make this easy for everyone:
http://solegends.com/citrq/index.htm

Gosh, I thatís come out well.
Iíve so much nostalgia for this range ... probably a good idea to avoid eBay for a few days.

This. Very much!


Agreed. I played a Trollpack Dark Troll for years, so I'm very particular. So far, only an old Ral Partha sculpt got it right, and even that one was scaled wrong.
I really like the trolls, it's just a pity that they're not proper Runequest trolls with dog faces.
Title: Re: Runequest - nostalgia project
Post by: Cubs on May 25, 2018, 08:47:02 PM
I played a Trollpack Dark Troll for years

Me too! He was a beast and my favourite character by far.
Title: Re: Runequest - nostalgia project
Post by: MachinaMandala on May 25, 2018, 09:18:09 PM
Mad Knight Castings do some really good uz. Rapier Miniatures also do a few decent uz.
Title: Re: Runequest - nostalgia project
Post by: LeadAsbestos on May 26, 2018, 12:56:08 AM
Mad Knight Castings do some really good uz. Rapier Miniatures also do a few decent uz.

Both are too cartoony for my tastes. I'm painting up the Rapier right now, so I hope I can make them work. The Great Troll in the beetle armour is pretty nice, and the Morokanth are excellent, but the Dark Troll is all wrong proportionately.
Title: Re: Runequest - nostalgia project
Post by: Arundel on May 26, 2018, 02:32:10 PM
When you get them finished, please share. I'd love to see some decent photos of them!
Title: Re: Runequest - nostalgia project
Post by: Hobgoblin on May 29, 2018, 12:11:08 PM
Ah, is that how it happened? I always wondered why they didn't match properly.

Here's a French blog (https://anniceris.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/lundi-cest-luise-6.html) that shows the progression of the Gloranthan troll. The Citadel ones are very close to those original Luise Perrin illustrations.

This settles the question, I think, of whether they were RQ trolls or Citadel ogres/night goblins/red goblins first (they haunt the broader Citadel ranges in those guises; e.g. the Kyger Litor types are ogresses and the dark troll with the axe is a red goblin champion).
Title: Re: Runequest - nostalgia project
Post by: Cubs on May 29, 2018, 12:18:04 PM
I wonder what made them swap from the big noses to muzzles? Incidentally, as loth as I am to mutilate classic old models, I've bought some broken Runequest trolls from eBay on the cheap with a mind to converting them into muzzle faced versions. Bit of fun really.
Title: Re: Runequest - nostalgia project
Post by: Hobgoblin on May 29, 2018, 12:34:33 PM
I wonder what made them swap from the big noses to muzzles? Incidentally, as loth as I am to mutilate classic old models, I've bought some broken Runequest trolls from eBay on the cheap with a mind to converting them into muzzle faced versions. Bit of fun really.

I'd guess it was part of a general process whereby Gloranthan trolls, elves and dwarves became more distinct from their generic namesakes and more properly Aldryami, Mostali and Uz. Even in RQ2, those things look pretty generic (the trolls have become a bit more orc-like). But look at the Mostali now:

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/84/22/84/842284a68768c0118e0d2330a75fed22.jpg)

I've acquired a batch of the goofy GW orcs for purposes of speed-painting a HotT army. But I've been thinking of snouting some of them up as RQ trolls, as they're suitably pot-bellied, muscular and top-knotted. They're also about the right size for Dark Trolls. And the comic aspect might even work OK too.
Title: Re: Runequest - nostalgia project
Post by: Cubs on May 29, 2018, 02:33:13 PM
I've acquired a batch of the goofy GW orcs for purposes of speed-painting a HotT army. But I've been thinking of snouting some of them up as RQ trolls, as they're suitably pot-bellied, muscular and top-knotted. They're also about the right size for Dark Trolls. And the comic aspect might even work OK too.

This is a good shout.
Title: Re: Runequest - nostalgia project
Post by: Duff on June 01, 2018, 11:03:20 AM
Love your take on a Daka Fal cultist Cubs. For trolls, there's the Fenris trio, they are massive hunks of metal mind, proper looking trolls though.
Title: Re: Runequest - nostalgia project
Post by: white knight on June 01, 2018, 02:29:19 PM
Excellent Cubs. I had that whole original boxed set of Runequest figures. Thought I still had them somewhere, but looked for them a while back and couldnít find them. Must have sold them on... Wish I hadnít now...  :'(

Not finding something in the lead pile doesn't mean it's not there.  lol
Title: Old Citadel FTF series Paladin
Post by: Cubs on June 21, 2018, 09:05:36 AM
A couple of months ago a very kind member of the Oldhammer FB group (or it could have been a member on here, I'm afraid I've completely forgotten who it was!) donated this battered old Runequest model to me.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/gag3pk9iHB2h/1k0.jpg)

  This member had seen me bring new life to another old Runequest model and figured, since he was never goings to tackle this model and it'd probably end up in the bin, I might as well have a crack at it. Poor old model's sword was miscast or broken off, he was on the verge of lead rot and the shield had a lump missing off the side. Apart from that though, he was a lovely old figure, one I'd never seen before (he's a lunar cult member, from the less well known 'Humans and Aldryani' boxed set).

  Despite the issues, I was pretty sure a little TLC would bring the best out of him again, so I set to work replacing the sword with a bit of metal from an old set of tweezers, ground down into shape with my mini-drill. The shield was repaired with greenstuff.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/AXzSMH4EKm4Y/1k0.jpg)


  It took me a couple of weeks inbetween paying painting work, but I finally got him finished this week. I wanted him to be wearing polished hard leather armour and have an oxhide shield, as a slight break from the norm. What a handsome chap, and a reminder that even an ugly old model is not necessarily a lost cause.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/ZDFAQ2M5EpBD/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/RgeWENDG34rt/1k0.jpg) 

(https://myalbum.com/photo/87xSu5qMsIw8/1k0.jpg)
 
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Title: Re: A Runequest rescue and restoration project
Post by: OSHIROmodels on June 21, 2018, 09:11:26 AM
Lovely transformation  :)
Title: Re: A Runequest rescue and restoration project
Post by: Jeff965 on June 21, 2018, 09:15:06 AM
Fantastic work Cubs :-*
Title: Re: A Runequest rescue and restoration project
Post by: Bloodsbane on June 21, 2018, 09:17:28 AM
Congratulations, you're officially an alchemist. You've truly transformed an old lump of lead into gold!
Title: Re: A Runequest rescue and restoration project
Post by: Daniel36 on June 21, 2018, 09:51:07 AM
That is gorgeous!!
Title: Re: A Runequest rescue and restoration project
Post by: JollyBob on June 21, 2018, 09:53:33 AM
You, sir, are a flaming genius!  :-* 8)

It was actually me that sent him to you, he'd been lying unloved in a box for donkeys years as he was so badly miscast (as was the duplicate figure I still have). 

I'm so impressed with what you've achieved, its actually given me hope that I could rescue the other old RQ figures that I have. If I didn't know better I'd swear that was a new cast Foundry figure!
Title: Re: A Runequest rescue and restoration project
Post by: Cubs on June 21, 2018, 10:37:22 AM
You, sir, are a flaming genius!  :-* 8)

It was actually me that sent him to you, he'd been lying unloved in a box for donkeys years as he was so badly miscast (as was the duplicate figure I still have). 

I'm so impressed with what you've achieved, its actually given me hope that I could rescue the other old RQ figures that I have. If I didn't know better I'd swear that was a new cast Foundry figure!

I'm sorry I forgot you JB! I regularly clear out my messages so I'd lost the PM and just couldn't remember the kind donor. As you can see, these old models do paint up nicely. They don't have the depth of detail or crispness of newer models, but I prefer that to be honest, because it's more of a blank canvas to work from.
Title: Re: A Runequest rescue and restoration project
Post by: Diablo Jon on June 21, 2018, 03:14:53 PM
Oh that's just ridiculous old school Citadel miniatures just aren't supposed to look like that  :o

Back in the day we were all painting them in gloss enamels its amazing how good they look with a quality modern paint job.
Title: Re: A Runequest rescue and restoration project
Post by: Severian on June 21, 2018, 03:45:34 PM
A grand job on what has always been one of my favourite old RQ figures. Lovely textures (especially on the armour) and the shield is cracking. Splendid stuff.

Like many of us I suspect, I have a fair few of this range in varying states of disrepair....but they're usually great fun to fix up.
Title: Re: A Runequest rescue and restoration project
Post by: Andym on June 21, 2018, 04:32:52 PM
Cracking! The NMM is particularly good! :-* Any chance of a recipe?
Title: Re: A Runequest rescue and restoration project
Post by: majorsmith on June 21, 2018, 05:01:02 PM
Fantastic work, I love that shield
Title: Re: A Runequest rescue and restoration project
Post by: Cubs on June 21, 2018, 10:07:52 PM
Cracking! The NMM is particularly good! :-* Any chance of a recipe?

It's a bit of a cheat really - I rarely go full NMM, I usually blend a bit of metallic paint and non-metallic to g highlights and the same is true here. The old bronze helmet was mainly dull bronze colour highlighted up with cream to make a muddy brown. Then it had a light wash with green ink, just for a hint of verdigris, topped off with a very very light drybrush of brass, just to pick up very lightly on the textured surface. The sword again was a blend of copper, brass and a little bit of light brown. Then the shade was brown ink, with the highlights copper and cream. All the final highlight dots are just light cream colour. 
Title: Re: A Runequest rescue and restoration project
Post by: Tactalvanic on June 21, 2018, 10:35:23 PM
Stunning as ever.

Technique went straight over my head, enlarged the male pattern baldness and completely passed my level of ability by.

But thanks for sharing always.

I must practice more...
Title: Re: A Runequest rescue and restoration project
Post by: Andym on June 22, 2018, 06:36:35 AM
It's a bit of a cheat really - I rarely go full NMM, I usually blend a bit of metallic paint and non-metallic to g highlights and the same is true here. The old bronze helmet was mainly dull bronze colour highlighted up with cream to make a muddy brown. Then it had a light wash with green ink, just for a hint of verdigris, topped off with a very very light drybrush of brass, just to pick up very lightly on the textured surface. The sword again was a blend of copper, brass and a little bit of light brown. Then the shade was brown ink, with the highlights copper and cream. All the final highlight dots are just light cream colour.

Thanks for that! Iíll need to give it a go!
Title: Re: A Runequest rescue and restoration project
Post by: Bloggard on June 22, 2018, 07:08:24 AM
fantastic.
interesting what you say regarding the blank canvas - and if my skills could ever extend to it, that's just the sort of chiaroscuro I'd like to achieve on figures generally.
Title: Re: A Runequest rescue and restoration project
Post by: Keith on June 22, 2018, 08:02:09 AM
Everything about your post makes me happy - a wonderful old gem polished to a brilliant shine, and with a little bit of how-to and technique thrown in for good measure.
Top job Sir!
Title: Re: A Runequest rescue and restoration project
Post by: Hobgoblin on June 22, 2018, 11:52:33 AM
Bravo!

The shield is tremendous - and it's a nice way to create an 'all-purpose' Gloranthan fighter. The highlights on the bronze are amazing too.
Title: Old Citadel FTF series Paladin
Post by: Cubs on June 25, 2018, 10:44:43 AM
Or to be exact, he's FTF25 - Paladin on Quest, who later survived the chop to become a C-series fighter (I only know this because I asked clever people who were better at research than me). He's one of the oldest figures I own and to be honest, was a bit of a pig to paint because the armour has some seriously wonky lines and horrible 'dead' areas with lumps of metal just lurking about.

Still, he's scrubbed up well enough with a little work, and it's a really good pose, although his face is reminding me of the England rugby player Mike Tindall, for some reason. I decided since he was a Paladin, he wouldn't have dirt, damage or grime on him, which is unusual for me.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/rjAQglzjguh8/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/OOYC1zmTDIbj/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/4w3FRg70mNRF/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/LgThajtiLrvg/1k0.jpg)

Title: Re: Old Citadel FTF series Paladin
Post by: Hobgoblin on June 25, 2018, 01:33:48 PM
He's splendid! Must be very recent or very early Tindall, given the relative straightness of the paladin's nose!

I like how those old Citadel figures were designed as adventurers, with loads of kit. Mind you, I don't think anyone would ever fight with a backpack on if they could help it; I'm enjoying annoying my RPG players by making them dump their stuff to fight without penalty, so that they can be separated from their ill-gotten gains.
Title: Re: Old Citadel FTF series Paladin
Post by: Severian on June 25, 2018, 03:50:45 PM
Lovely work! The contrast of the leather kit and the armour is very nicely done.

One of the best things about these early Citadel adventurers is the way that not only do they carry proper amounts of stuff about, but (like this guy) they look as if they've been doing it for a while and are wondering if they really need all those iron spikes and oil flasks &c &c that seemed like a good idea at the time...

Title: Re: Old Citadel FTF series Paladin
Post by: gibby64 on June 25, 2018, 04:38:58 PM
Very nice line work. Love the shield.
Title: Re: Old Citadel FTF series Paladin
Post by: marrony on June 25, 2018, 07:48:38 PM
Brilliant painting.
Title: Re: Old Citadel FTF series Paladin
Post by: Treebeard on June 26, 2018, 10:13:29 AM
Amazing work on this ancient miniature.
Title: Re: Old Citadel FTF series Paladin
Post by: number1section1 on June 26, 2018, 01:26:49 PM
Amazing painting the matching scabbard and shield help give the model personality. The pose reminds me of the rumoured origin of saluting.
Title: Re: Old Citadel FTF series Paladin
Post by: Cubs on June 26, 2018, 05:20:19 PM
Thanks guys. I may just merge my old Citadel nostalgia threads into one, to stop spamming the board with individual threads each time I do an Oldhammer model!

This Paladin guy perfectly represents the joy and frustration of the Oldhammer lover. The pose, the character, the proportions, the face, the wonderful individualism are just a joy. But the actual technical precision of the sculpt and the quality of the casting are something best left in the past. It was simply a way of life in the 80's to expect to spend a good half hour or so carving off the horrible casting lines and lumps of waste metal. Sometimes you were re-sculpting parts of the model because big parts were obscured by horrible lumps of lead.
Title: Re: Old Citadel FTF series Paladin
Post by: majorsmith on June 26, 2018, 05:51:34 PM
Great stuff
Title: Re: 'Old Citadel Nostalgia' - an ongoing project.
Post by: Cubs on June 26, 2018, 08:33:40 PM
Right, that's it, no more individual threads for my various Citadel nostalgia stuff, it's all going in the one thread now. Thanks to White Knight for the tidy merging, I've got my Runequest guys and the Paladin in here now and I'll just lob the rest in as they get done.
Title: Re: 'Old Citadel Nostalgia' - an ongoing project.
Post by: Andym on June 26, 2018, 08:59:49 PM
Cracking! You've gotta love the repeat pattern on the shield, sword and dagger sheafs! :-*

How do you get such a dirty set of armour? Do you start with silver and ink wash the cheap out of or the opposite, dark colours then drybrush silver?
Title: Re: 'Old Citadel Nostalgia' - an ongoing project.
Post by: Cubs on June 26, 2018, 09:22:41 PM
How do you get such a dirty set of armour? Do you start with silver and ink wash the cheap out of or the opposite, dark colours then drybrush silver?


I've got a nice colour mixed up I've called 'Oily Steel', which is a lovely smooth metal to which I've added a dark brown edge. It's not too shiny, kind of halfway between a metallic and non-metallic shade. This was the base colour over black undercoat, with highlights done in ordinary steel colour (painted on, not drybrushed). This was then given a good wash with brown ink, then the crevices deepened again with a second wash. Then I highlighted again with the steel colour and finally put some little white dots where the light would be picked up. It took a while (one reason I'm not a fan of painting full armour) but it got the effect I was after. I actually thought he was much shinier than I normally do! 
Title: Re: 'Old Citadel Nostalgia' - an ongoing project.
Post by: Andym on June 27, 2018, 06:31:32 AM
Thanks for that! Iíll need to try that sometime!
Title: Re: 'Old Citadel Nostalgia' - an ongoing project.
Post by: Knight-Captain Tyr on June 27, 2018, 10:29:46 AM
Your painting is so good that it makes the much older sculpts look phenomenal, to the point where I really want them myself (as someone who's very indifferent toward Oldhammer). I'd love to see your work on newer sculpts - not out of disrespect toward the older models, just curious to see how you manage to make cleaner sculpts pop.
Title: Re: 'Old Citadel Nostalgia' - an ongoing project.
Post by: Cubs on June 27, 2018, 12:09:53 PM
Well I do commission work for various peeps all the time - Conquest Games are currently on the desk, but there's also NorthStar, Lucid Eye, Great Escape Games, Bears Head Miniatures and last but not least Bad Squiddo who I've done fairly recently. I also pootle about doing the odd bit of Bolt Action, Red Box, Gripping Beast or Foundry stuff for myself as the whim takes me.

But the newer Games Workshop stuff leaves me cold to be honest. As technical achievements they're great, showing off the ability of newer design methods, newer casting methods and newer materials. But aesthetically Ö I really don't have any interest in them whatsoever. These old sculpts have an emotional pull on me.
Title: Re: 'Old Citadel Nostalgia' - an ongoing project.
Post by: Cubs on October 13, 2018, 01:03:35 PM
So if we're halfway through Orctober, does that mean we should post Half Orcs? I almost put them in the 'Old School Fantasy' thread, but decided I'd spammed that enough as it is.

This old range often has broken weapons and indeed the swordsman has a replacement sword blade (made from a ground-down piece of old tweezers) and the hammer dude has the front of his hammer replaced with greestuff. The entire left side of his face was ruined by a lump of miscast metal as well, so I had to roughly drill it to the approximate shape and then paint in the detail as best I could to match the other side. Not a bad illusion is it?

These lovely old Half Orcs are a recent infatuation for me - I never really liked them as a kid because they weren't 'monstery' enough for one thing, and they didn't really have anything in their stats or rules to make them stand out.

But over the last year I've started to grow very fond of them,(quite probably their cancellation by Games Workshop has a lot to do with this), and set out to collect as many of the pre-slotta C series Half Orcs as I could. Having just purchased the final one online today, I think I've managed it.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/7S30i9cxHDOA/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/pqcjXiUkFioK/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/0rrgyw0u6a7I/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/insbBz2Bpg9c/1k0.jpg)
Title: Re: 'Old Citadel Nostalgia' - an ongoing project.
Post by: Hobgoblin on October 13, 2018, 04:11:16 PM
Superb! Really lovely in their unloveliness.

These lovely old Half Orcs are a recent infatuation for me - I never really liked them as a kid because they weren't 'monstery' enough for one thing, and they didn't really have anything in their stats or rules to make them stand out.

Yes, it was odd that they dropped the one thing that made them stand out - the assassin special rules - almost before they got started. In second and third edition, they were almost a liability - punier than orcs but almost as expensive in points, yet much more expensive than goblins.

It's also true that the preslotta range was much better than the slotta-based range that followed: less cartoony and nicely unified by those great shields, despite the variety of the models. I like how some of the faces are fairly human, though ugly, and others are quite orcish (e.g. the bald-headed assassin).

Do you have the 'mounted and foot' half-orc hero?

Title: Re: 'Old Citadel Nostalgia' - an ongoing project.
Post by: Cubs on October 13, 2018, 04:29:44 PM
Do you have the 'mounted and foot' half-orc hero?

I do, and I think it was the foot version that began my Half Orc collecting spree. He was in a job lot of other stuff I bought and then of course I needed to find the mounted version, and then it just sort of snow-balled. Fortunately I'm not that fussed about the slotta versions either, so I can leave it there!
Title: Re: 'Old Citadel Nostalgia' - an ongoing project.
Post by: Admiral Benbow on October 13, 2018, 06:14:25 PM
Damn fantastic work on lovely minis, Paul!
Title: Re: 'Old Citadel Nostalgia' - an ongoing project.
Post by: JollyBob on October 13, 2018, 08:38:22 PM
Beautiful painting as always.  8)

I had to do the same thing with an old preslotta dwarf face once, lovely sculpt but no quality control in those days!
Title: Re: 'Old Citadel Nostalgia' - an ongoing project.
Post by: Cubs on January 07, 2019, 02:51:38 PM
A couple of random Orcs have been completed, something of a 'between-work' project to keep me amused over the Crimbo period.

These guys represent my favourite Orcs and what constitutes the 'classic look' in my little world. The loping, stooping gait, the jutting jaws, the wiry frames Ö that's proper Orcy to me.

The guy with the scimitar is a figure I confess I brutally 'converted' in my early days. I ground off the flail chains with a drill and replaced the sword with something or other (I forget what) clumsily glued on, which inevitably fell off and became lost. This fella is a replacement model who had also lost his sword blade (a common mishap with this model I think) and a new blade fitted as close to the original size and shape as possible (made from ground-down tweezers).

I was messing around with a different skin colour as well, just for a bit of a diversion. I found a Paul Bonner illustration with Orcs sporting a greyish complexion with pinkish patches, which is what I've tried to emulate here. The joy of painting Orcs is that there are any number of skin colour schemes you can put on them, all in the same unit. In fact the more variety the better they probably look.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/UDetzXCGA4Re/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/a66XYuqUXiDl/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/wakiYo6amzv7/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/shtpophG8uxG/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/VCLQV0E8zMMP/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: Andym on January 07, 2019, 04:23:46 PM
Cracking colours! Those skin tones are superb! :-*
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Post by: Vanvlak on January 07, 2019, 04:46:55 PM
Grand bit of work there - love the shield, and all the rest too but that shield is simple and incredibly effective.  8)
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Post by: Cubs on January 07, 2019, 05:35:09 PM
Thanks dyoods, it's all a bit of fun. The shields for my Orcs are mostly this simple black and white check scheme, which I think just suits them somehow (I don't really know why Orcs and check goes together so well). In my mind, they're all part of my warband based around a group of travelling ne'er-do-wells following Kaleb Daark and his Chaos/Anti-Chaos master Malal. The black and white is part of Malal's badge and I like the anarchic nature of them fighting most everyone for no apparent reason.
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Post by: Bloggard on January 07, 2019, 07:39:44 PM
your style / colour-palette / whatever it is, is so distinctive and one of my favourites, like a top-class fine-art illustration as a 3d figure.

the chiasroscuro (well done me if I've spelt that right) is just what I'd aspire to if I thought I could possibly achieve it - which I don't.
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Post by: Cubs on January 07, 2019, 08:25:12 PM
your style / colour-palette / whatever it is, is so distinctive and one of my favourites, like a top-class fine-art illustration as a 3d figure.

the chiasroscuro (well done me if I've spelt that right) is just what I'd aspire to if I thought I could possibly acheive it - which I don't.

Shit, I had to Google it! Posh word for light-dark shading innit?

Thanks, I've been really trying to concentrate on getting a good depth of shade onto models lately and putting the colours into the areas I think the light would hit. It sounds obvious, but I think we (and by that, I mean I) all too easily will simply apply the colour layers by rote onto the more raised edges - the more raised the edge, the lighter the highlight it gets. But light doesn't always work like that. Sometimes a part will catch the light much more than another part which is higher up. There's a lot of guesswork and rubbing of chin really.
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Post by: Hobgoblin on January 07, 2019, 09:00:45 PM
Terrific work on those!

I did a double-take on that one with the mace and checked shield, as he's so close to the pinker version you did a couple of years back.

Those Fantasy Tribe faces are hard to beat - especially that elongated beauty with the amazing dentistry.
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Post by: Cubs on January 08, 2019, 08:02:52 AM
I did a double-take on that one with the mace and checked shield, as he's so close to the pinker version you did a couple of years back.

It was only when I had started to paint him that I realised he was a duplicate of one I'd already done! I've got loads of unpainted ones and the one I pick I've already painted! Typical ...
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Post by: Bloggard on January 08, 2019, 03:29:55 PM
Shit, I had to Google it! Posh word for light-dark shading innit?

Thanks, I've been really trying to concentrate on getting a good depth of shade onto models lately and putting the colours into the areas I think the light would hit. It sounds obvious, but I think we (and by that, I mean I) all too easily will simply apply the colour layers by rote onto the more raised edges - the more raised the edge, the lighter the highlight it gets. But light doesn't always work like that. Sometimes a part will catch the light much more than another part which is higher up. There's a lot of guesswork and rubbing of chin really.

that's a rather strong appellation for a chap, Cubs old bean, it's just Bloggard, not S*** Bloggard (although others may beg to differ)  lol

and, aye, that's what I was getting at in terms of your elaboration -  it's a painterly feel / eye at work, and very much at your discretion per figure I suppose.
Certainly a rather different effect to some other top-class (in terms of brush control and Technique*) figure painting I see, which (at least when shown in a 2D way, i.e. magazine or monitor) has the curious effect of looking more like a 2D 'illustration' than a figurine ... I'm not putting that very well, and am not going to try to link to an example here for the obvious reasons.
(*and I hope it's obvious that this comment isn't implying you don't have 'brush control' etc  ::) !)

anyhow ... love yer stuff  :)

... and as I've prob. opined in other posts, don't think Citadel did much better than the fantasy tribe stuff (Dwarves still not bettered imho).
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Post by: thebinmann on January 08, 2019, 07:20:50 PM
The first orc is one of the best ever made, and you made it better.
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Post by: Cubs on February 09, 2019, 10:18:41 AM
Another tiny removal from the lead mountain, the old Citadel Orlanth adventurer from the Runequest 'Adventurers 2' boxed set.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/B6ahV0OYoAm7/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/QVoLT4niuT32/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/zLTVuT2WbYre/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: beefcake on February 09, 2019, 10:40:33 AM
Very nice. Love the metal!
Can't believe I haven't commented on this thread.
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Post by: Revfan on February 09, 2019, 01:16:47 PM
Dude... you are awesome....

But after seeing your work, I want to chuck my paints & brushes in the bin.
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Post by: Shaved Dwarf on February 09, 2019, 06:01:38 PM
Wow, this one is surely nice!

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Post by: Blackwolf on February 09, 2019, 06:31:58 PM
Fantastic! A fave miniature of mine,still have him in his original Humrol :)
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Post by: FramFramson on February 09, 2019, 07:04:18 PM
Shit, I had to Google it! Posh word for light-dark shading innit?

Thanks, I've been really trying to concentrate on getting a good depth of shade onto models lately and putting the colours into the areas I think the light would hit. It sounds obvious, but I think we (and by that, I mean I) all too easily will simply apply the colour layers by rote onto the more raised edges - the more raised the edge, the lighter the highlight it gets. But light doesn't always work like that. Sometimes a part will catch the light much more than another part which is higher up. There's a lot of guesswork and rubbing of chin really.
Italian.  ;)
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Post by: Anselm van Helsing on February 09, 2019, 08:07:01 PM
Reminds me very much of the John Blanche painting of this era. Very characterful without too shiny highlights. I'm a fan of this painting style. :)
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Post by: marrony on February 09, 2019, 08:20:10 PM
Brilliant! Simply brilliant.
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Post by: Elk101 on February 09, 2019, 10:08:08 PM
That's brilliant, really like it.
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Post by: Nordic1980s on February 09, 2019, 10:32:21 PM
Your ability to get photorealistic finish on the orc skins is supernatural. When I take a glance at my best painted orcs on the cabinet shelf, they look like children's toys compared to these art works.

Have you Cubs considered making a photo book of these works of your, like the ones one can make with print houses? Your work surpasses easily the ones shown in the classic Golden Demon winner entry photo books. Or alternatively having an article with some modelling magazine, dedicated to your brush work?
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Post by: Cubs on February 10, 2019, 10:15:25 AM
Thanks guys, all very kind.

I like painting my old toys every now and then and enjoy trying to get the best out of the vintage sculpts, who all have so much great character, but are very raw quality-wise. I particularly enjoy repairing the broken bits of old models, trying to recreate the snapped weapons with wire, putty or metal pieces to recreate a facsimile of the original. Once in while I'll try to add a different weapon in a sympathetic style to the original. The idea of breathing new life into miniatures that might otherwise just end up being used for scrap metal appeals to me.
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Post by: Spooktalker on February 10, 2019, 08:51:08 PM
Thanks guys, all very kind.

I like painting my old toys every now and then and enjoy trying to get the best out of the vintage sculpts, who all have so much great character, but are very raw quality-wise. I particularly enjoy repairing the broken bits of old models, trying to recreate the snapped weapons with wire, putty or metal pieces to recreate a facsimile of the original. Once in while I'll try to add a different weapon in a sympathetic style to the original. The idea of breathing new life into miniatures that might otherwise just end up being used for scrap metal appeals to me.

Love your work and the new addition.  :-* It strikes me as unexpected that you consider figures you paint to be "very raw quality-wise." You seem to be suggesting they are the sculpts, rather than your aged castings, that are raw. Is that the case or do you mean the latter? I also love painting old figures but my experience with old figures has imbued in me a strong belief that while styles, trends and technology changes, there have been figures equally beautiful on the one hand and equally crude on the other made all throughout the past forty years, and sculpting and casting "progress" are myths. IMO, the McLuhanism that goes something is always lost on one side for something gained on the other is nowhere more true (and I googled and found a reference summarizing the idea here for those interested: https://books.google.com/books?id=0P3sDQAAQBAJ&pg=PT84&lpg=PT84&dq=%22mcluhan%22+something+lost+something+gained&source=bl&ots=mMuMNsyYKp&sig=ACfU3U2gm1BT6GaMLLQ2O246T88JONX0Kg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiolaD7hLLgAhVCS60KHZKLARQQ6AEwEnoECAoQAQ) . When I acquire and hold up a beautifully sculpted, pristine casting to my eye I literally feel a wave of lead-head thrill. Whereas a beat-up casting that was once great and is my only copy gives me a sad feeling, as I know full well I should trade or toss it and it's not worth my time to fix it, but sometimes I will go for fixing it anyway, and that feeling of going against my better judgment isn't such a good one.  At any rate, I respect your experience and point of view and in the end, it's cool that we can pursue similar ends for perhaps different reasons and with different experiences.  Next rare figure in need of TLC I come agree I might offer to sent it to you.  :)
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Post by: Cubs on February 10, 2019, 08:55:53 PM
Is that the case or do you mean the latter?

I mean the casting and quality control were raw. What we simply accepted back in the 80's - horrible mould lines, lumps of extraneous metal, miscast blobs - would be chucked back into the melting pot today. The aesthetics of the poses, proportions and sculpting I loved and still do.
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Post by: Spooktalker on February 10, 2019, 09:04:48 PM
I mean the casting and quality control were raw. What we simply accepted back in the 80's - horrible mould lines, lumps of extraneous metal, miscast blobs - would be chucked back into the melting pot today. The aesthetics of the poses, proportions and sculpting I loved and still do.

Ah, nice, we're not so different, perhaps. Though I think casting quality hit it's high water mark circa 1988, with Grenadier leading and Ral Partha right there. Cracking open a blister pack from a Grenadier range like the Guthrie range gives me a rush as there is an unrivaled fullness in the figure's cheek and definition in the details, and angles that were sculpted to be 90 degrees are actually exactly 90 degrees, and don't need to be filed to make them so. On the other side of the peak you have a degenerate dark age in the age of pewter, when it seems all notions of quality went by the wayside. After years of trial and error we wound up with the main trend being squashed castings due to too much pressure in the molds. Today it's about one in five companies or fewer I find have good or better castings. Of course, today you do have great castings, but these are the exceptions by folks carrying on the casting art like Griffin, not so much the big name companies.
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Post by: Battle Brush Sigur on February 11, 2019, 12:42:54 AM
Great project. Painting a clinically smooth digital figure to a nice look is pretty easy, but getting this great and specific look out of these old minis a.) doesn't only tickle the nostalgia bone, but b.) is the sign of really competent painting. Love the skin on those orcs especially.
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Post by: Cubs on February 13, 2019, 05:32:02 PM
I thought I'd share some elderly miniatures who have been in the wars and needed some TLC to avoid being binned. I get a lot of joy from nursing these veterans back to something like their former glory.

Sometimes I want to recreate as faithfully as possible the original miniature, replacing weapons and making repairs that (I hope) will be invisible once painted. Sometimes I want to make something a bit different.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/KvrPqFWQAdHo/1k0.jpg)

Going left to right on the first photo -

Orc chieftain with scimitar and flail (1) - this guy is one of the longest serving mins in my collection. I've had him since the early 80's and I butchered him quite badly back then, chopping off his hand (to replace it with an axe hand!) and grinding off the chains of the flail to give him a shield. He's also the closest thing I have to Barry Sheen (younger members are encouraged to Google him) with so many repairs, most people would have binned him.

I replaced the scimitar hand with a plastic zombie hand (with thumb removed and a new greenstuff one added in the right position), a ground-metal blade (a variant of this model had a scimitar blade close to this shape, but I was working from memory!), greenstuff hilt, a new wire flail haft and metal chains (probably too bulky, but it was the closest I had, size-wise) with repaired greenstuff weights. He also snapped off at the ankles during the repair, so he needed re-pinning with greenstuff patches over the join.

Orc chieftain with scimitar and flail (2) - just a greenstuff repair to a miscast end of the flail haft and a new ground-metal blade.

Orc chieftain with axe - the whole of the axed above the hand had snapped off, so I replaced the haft with wire and then covered it with greenstuff and lightly scored it for the woodgrain effect. A new axe head was painstakingly made to try to match the original as closely as possible (an original is shown behind for comparison).

Armoured Orc with large mace - the head of the mace was missing, so a new one was made from greenstuff. I stupidly tried to match the position of the rivets to the original (shown behind for comparison), which in hindsight was probably pointless attention to detail!

Armoured Orc with sword and shield (1) - the sword blade was snapped off by the edge of the shield, so an extension was made from plasticard and pinned in place, with the join covered by greenstuff.

Armoured Orc with sword and shield (2) - he had snapped off at the ankles (a common mishap with many of the C15/16 Orcs I believe). He's another contestant for the title of longest serving miniature and he has also sat crippled in my collection for over 30yrs, waiting to be repaired. He's just been drilled and pinned with the joins covered with greenstuff.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/9UweZ6mmTHBB/1k0.jpg)

Second photo -

Great Troll adventurer (1) - this guys always seems to lose his maul. Since I already have an original model with maul intact, I decided to have a little fun. His original maul has been replaced with a slightly different version, made from a chopped-down section of standard from the plastic Ogre sprue. I have also built up his shield into a dome ready for a nice design I have planned.

Great Troll adventurer (2) - I wanted this variant to have a much shorter weapon, and also repositioned the hands to hold it in a different angle. I specifically wanted a weapon that looked like he could use it in one hand as well (he does have a shield after all, and no other weapon in sight!). I originally had a larger war hammer sculpted, but chopping it down to a simpler model seemed to work better with the aesthetics. Hammer head is made from plasticard and the haft is wire covered in greenstuff.

Half Orc - the long blade with this weapon (what would you call it, a glaive I guess?) rarely seems to have survived the years, so I picked him up cheap and added the blade made from ground metal. I fond it difficult to get the correct length and the notches in the right place, since I was working from an old Citadel illustration.

Great Trolls - these guys are in the waiting room. Since I already have an original model intact, I will be experimenting with these guys and having fun. I don't like the original pose very much to be honest (heresy!) so I may try to reposition him a bit to show a bit more life. 
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Post by: Severian on February 13, 2019, 07:31:58 PM
Fantastic stuff - completely agree on the enjoyment to be got from repairing ancient lead.

Those are some grand repair and reconditioning jobs you've done there; looking forward to seeing them painted (obviously) but it's fascinating to see them like this. Very inspiriational.

I've a pile of similarly broken and/or half-fixed old warriors that I really ought to attend to...





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Post by: The Dozing Dragon on February 13, 2019, 11:17:44 PM
Wonderful. So many old Citadel minis need work to repair  >:(
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Post by: Keith on February 14, 2019, 08:12:36 AM
I love this and absolutely get the pleasure you find renovating these veterans - I'm very similar.

Would absolutely kill to have my original Half-Orc collection back again!
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Post by: djbii on February 14, 2019, 08:18:29 AM
Nice stuff. Love fixin up old minis :-)
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Post by: Elk101 on February 14, 2019, 05:12:56 PM
I enjoyed that Cubs. More please!
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Post by: Cubs on March 07, 2019, 02:27:04 PM
As part of an ongoing 'Tragedy of McDeath' commission for a customer, this time it was the turn of the Maltmen (and one Maltwoman), tough brewery workers sworn to defend their precious whisky barrels, and their leader Brooben Keyler. Brooben himself is the 'official' McDeath miniature (also part of Citadel's old Thief range) and since there were no official Maltmen figures, they are hereby represented by various old Citadel club-armed peasants, rogues and wascally wuffians (including a Judge Dredd perp!) Ö so Ö much Ö brown ...

Brooben himself has in his mouth an odd object, which no-one could quite identify (not even the Perry twins themselves, who sculpted him but couldn't remember what it was meant to be!), so we plumped for an ornate pipe carved in the shape of a skull, with a little chain. It may or may not be correct, but it was our best guess.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/QjiR2BVaWW7U/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/zYCwTFkdgMMq/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/tcBv18V0Wn1I/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/a1fuVTtqwhE0/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/d9waKA2RQQhq/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/pWWULOotWCFf/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/qI41wnAHmWTI/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: Cubs on March 07, 2019, 02:30:53 PM
PS. Spot the Patrick Stewart lookalike!
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Post by: majorsmith on March 07, 2019, 03:20:34 PM
Wow they look great!
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Post by: marrony on March 07, 2019, 08:09:11 PM
Incredible painting. The old citadel ranges have bags of character :D
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Post by: Nicklas P on March 07, 2019, 10:23:40 PM
Beautiful work, Cubs.
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Post by: nicknorthstar on March 07, 2019, 11:50:15 PM
Great work Paul. I didn't recognise some of those Maltmen. A couple of them were from the Elric range originally did you know? They were the Beggar King's army.
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Post by: Dr Mathias on March 08, 2019, 01:06:19 AM
Well well, those are amazing I must say.
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Post by: Sinewgrab on March 08, 2019, 01:25:38 AM
Mother of the gods, those are nice.

 :o
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Post by: Keith on March 08, 2019, 07:50:37 AM
Wonderful!  :-*
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Post by: Cubs on March 08, 2019, 08:58:11 AM
Great work Paul. I didn't recognise some of those Maltmen. A couple of them were from the Elric range originally did you know? They were the Beggar King's army.

I did not know. Well you live and learn.
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Post by: Hawkeye on March 08, 2019, 01:40:29 PM
My god - beautiful! And the basing too!

I think my favorite is the piratical looking fellow with his shirt open to the navel, long hair, and an eye patch (although they're all so marvelous it hardly seems fair to choose a favorite!).
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Post by: Cubs on June 17, 2019, 10:10:15 PM
Bit of a conversion project right now. I'm doing a McDeath batch and the official miniature for 'Spot' the Chaos Hound was Ö disappointing. This is how he should have looked, with big scorpion tail and everything -

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qdS6fjJ32O0/T5VH-jd0jUI/AAAAAAAAAH8/BqF1nV3zn0o/s1600/IMG_5229_crop_edited-1.jpg)

Ö and this is the official miniature -

(https://myalbum.com/photo/v44KfjmduhnJ/1k0.jpg)

He has an embarrassment of tail. Not acceptable in my book, so a new tail had to be built to match the true Spot. Here it is pre-paintjob, made from wire, greenstuff, pins and a lot of patience -

(https://myalbum.com/photo/DPjL6NnEwpAQ/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/fx5AM9JpcCdY/1k0.jpg)


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Post by: Elk101 on June 18, 2019, 05:52:27 AM
Much, much better. Nice work.
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Post by: Hobgoblin on June 18, 2019, 09:44:56 AM
That looks fantastic!

I did a double-take at the original, as I remembered a chaos hound with a much more impressive tail. But I see that was one of the single-headed ones from the same era (http://www.sodemons.com/rhc/rhc22creatures/index.htm). It's rather odd that they let Spot out into the world so under-equipped!
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Post by: Cubs on June 18, 2019, 11:23:47 AM
That hound looks like it's snapping one off!  lol

I was originally planning to build a more realistic scorpion tail, like that one you found, but then I saw the illustration shows a distinctive shape that was much more chaos and not all that scorpiony.
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Post by: Hobgoblin on June 18, 2019, 11:31:18 AM
I'd imagine chaos hounds to be the scourge of the Old World's pavements!

Yeah, yours is much better - fantastically menacing the way it's poised up there ready to strike.
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Post by: Bloggard on June 18, 2019, 11:57:34 AM
brilliant work, looks great.
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Post by: gibby64 on June 18, 2019, 01:29:28 PM
Beautiful brushwork!!
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Post by: Cubs on June 25, 2019, 12:11:52 PM
Right, some updates now. More McDeath fun with Raybees (both of them), halfling valet to Een McWrecker, McDeath's lieutenant. Raybees on the left is the one shown in the McDeath illustrations, whereas Raybees on the right is the 'official' Citadel miniature for Raybees. Why did Citadel release a different miniature from the one shown in the illustrations? Answers on a postcard Ö

(https://myalbum.com/photo/vciVmYKiWVjd/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/iSzfS8nFb3Hu/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/eBxCiYtNDhSE/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: Bloggard on June 25, 2019, 12:23:46 PM
fantastic figures and painting.
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Post by: Nicklas P on June 25, 2019, 12:56:42 PM
Love the flesh tones!  :-*
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Post by: JollyBob on June 25, 2019, 01:31:15 PM
Outstanding. One more reason not to bother painting my massive stash of ancient halflings...  8)

I believe the original Raybees was also marketed under the name Benni Bottomdown - presumably cos of his fetching Benny hat.

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Post by: Andym on June 25, 2019, 05:55:35 PM
Lovely! :-* Very realistic.....if one can say that about a race of fantasy halflings!
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Post by: Dr Mathias on June 25, 2019, 07:11:56 PM
I really like seeing these old figures brought to life. Very cool.
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Post by: Hobgoblin on June 25, 2019, 07:15:55 PM
Wonderful - fantastically indignant and ruddy faces!
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Post by: Cubs on June 26, 2019, 08:24:39 AM
Very kind guys. A couple more now, Juggo Joriksonn, bodyguard to Julia McEwman, and Fergus McEwman, the over-muscled sergeant at arms.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/htDW6X9MyzaJ/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/qdxMRFaRpbnh/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/46q7tWLEG56L/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/5FQAVqDkGkDy/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/XurHfQcbJT8J/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/gheniEKT869x/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: Aerendar Valandil on June 26, 2019, 12:57:04 PM
Nice.
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Post by: Hawkeye on June 26, 2019, 02:30:42 PM
I love these guys - the flesh tones are perfect, and the faces, as always, are wonderfully full of character. I love the ruddy features on Juggo! Fantastic! The bases are excellent too - I think I said the same thing about them with your LotR miniatures, but it's worth repeating!
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Post by: Faust23 on June 26, 2019, 05:21:40 PM
Stellar work! Great project!
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Post by: peleset on June 27, 2019, 07:16:01 AM
Funny looking at figures I have in a box somewhere unloved because twenty (thirty?) odd years ago they weren't very inspiring, looking like this!

I hope to see many more here.
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Post by: Cubs on July 02, 2019, 06:35:37 PM
Couple more now. First is Donalbane, the official Citadel miniature. The second is a Citadel fighter who looks a lot more like the illustration.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/rPoxwb4y9GUx/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/iBgBWoLtU58G/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/nq6FdEr7TxL5/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/vnDJZRwxLtJp/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: Spooktalker on July 03, 2019, 12:09:43 AM
Love the recent additions.  :-*
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Post by: The Dozing Dragon on July 03, 2019, 09:40:27 AM
Great painting on some lovely old lead.
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Post by: thebinmann on July 03, 2019, 10:26:12 AM
Very kind guys. A couple more now, Juggo Joriksonn, bodyguard to Julia McEwman, and Fergus McEwman, the over-muscled sergeant at arms.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/htDW6X9MyzaJ/1k0.jpg)




One of the best Ds ever! And with that hair colour he looks exactly like the Physics teacher that ran the roleplaying club back in the day...
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Post by: Hobgoblin on July 03, 2019, 10:39:11 AM
Fantastic stuff!

Quite apart from the wonderful paintjobs, this thread is an interesting illumination of how the Warhammer writers were able to cook up great scenarios from a really disparate range of models. There's a wonderful creativity in a campaign that incorporates that almost Thrud-like muscle man, the Elric-ish Donalbane and that chaos hound - along with orcs, a dragon turtle and a hobbit!

I find all that stuff so much more enthralling than the "factions" approach that has characterised Warhammer in recent decades.
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Post by: Cubs on July 03, 2019, 11:56:41 AM
The mashing together of Shakespearean plot and weak puns is pure face-palm as well. The original prophecy is of course that MacBeth will not be defeated 'until Birnham Wood comes to Dunsinane', which is brought to pass by soldiers using branches cut from the trees as camouflage as they creep up on the castle. In McDeath, there is an Ent called Clinty Ö and of course the place where he lives is called Ö Clinty's Wood. Jebus wept.
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Post by: Garanhir on July 03, 2019, 12:52:15 PM
The puns were always exquisitely excruciating.
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Post by: gibby64 on July 03, 2019, 02:43:35 PM
the modern painting on these guys is just awesome... really "paints" these oldies in a better light :)
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Post by: lou passejaire on July 08, 2019, 10:03:29 AM
stunning paintjob on those minis of the golden age of Citadel .

(https://i44.servimg.com/u/f44/11/63/95/43/dscn2931.jpg)
(https://i44.servimg.com/u/f44/11/63/95/43/dscn2932.jpg)

if someone, some day, has the other figurine of this set ...  ;)
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Post by: Cubs on July 10, 2019, 06:34:36 PM
More McDeath fun now, the Earl of Harkness, mounted and foot. Combining the images of him on the front and back covers, I've tried to show an amalgamation of the flaming sword (sorry for the foul language), armour and shield designs. The spike in the middle of the shield does not aid fiddly painting! There's a lot going on with these models, so I've done a lot more angles than usual.


(https://myalbum.com/photo/GiRP6a3x7ZeT/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/Djbskg32gqut/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/bvwPoU2wPLcd/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/wLnty6GW2oP2/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/Z9wQViquKs2q/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/jpf7aGwAMXfo/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/nsaoD5f6twr5/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/ePYyc836Mw8P/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/JeFkzpYALARQ/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: twrchtrwyth on July 10, 2019, 08:01:39 PM
Excellent painting.

Does your comissioner now that there should be 16 maltmen? And I'm looking forward to the dray and the turtle.
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Post by: Cubs on July 10, 2019, 08:09:43 PM
Excellent painting.

Does your comissioner now that there should be 16 maltmen? And I'm looking forward to the dray and the turtle.

Very kind.
 He's sending a couple more Maltmen to bump up the numbers, but I don't know if we'll get to 16. Dray and turtle dragon remain doubtful thus far, but you never know.
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Post by: Hobgoblin on July 10, 2019, 11:45:56 PM
Amazing! (And another entry in the roster of silly Citadel names, if I recall correctly: isn't the earl Dart of Harkness? A pointless spoonerism rather than a pun, this time, but still!)

Incredible work all round: the scabbard's superb, quite apart from all the rest. The shield must have been a nightmare to do: I always thought that the introduction of plastic shields was a very mixed blessing at best, because prep time and freehand painting both became more onerous.
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Post by: Cubs on July 11, 2019, 07:19:08 AM
Amazing! (And another entry in the roster of silly Citadel names, if I recall correctly: isn't the earl Dart of Harkness? A pointless spoonerism rather than a pun, this time, but still!)

You know what Ö the penny had never dropped about that one until now.


(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-yiLSMXBJbVo/UrT9aN9hwRI/AAAAAAAAHJk/U_KfssGpG6U/s1600/picard-facepalm.jpg)
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Post by: Keith on July 11, 2019, 10:29:27 AM
Good grief that's a good job on him  :-*
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Post by: Hawkeye on July 11, 2019, 11:01:06 AM
Wow.

I've always loved your painting, but this is the best I've seen from you, Cubs, I think. Amazing! The shield is outstanding, the sword scabbard too, but I have to be honest and admit that for some reason I keep noticing how impressed I am by his stylish boots! Basing, as always, is fantastic too. I love every bit of this/these!

To Hobgoblin, I do have to say, though - is any spoonerism truly pointless? Just another layer in the sponge cake of wonder that is Citadel in all its glory!
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Post by: Maddoc on July 11, 2019, 11:34:43 AM
Bloomin' 'eck! :o
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Post by: Elk101 on July 14, 2019, 08:52:37 AM
Stunning work sir!
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Post by: Dr. The Viking on July 14, 2019, 08:57:49 AM
Amazing entries!

I greatly respect your attention to detail
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Post by: PhilB on July 14, 2019, 10:45:35 AM
The Earl Dart of Harkness is an amazing paintjob. I would never have thought of painting the armor as if it were reflecting the red glow from the flaming sword. Almost looks as if it would actually light up in the dark.

Great stuff!
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Post by: Cubs on July 18, 2019, 03:48:52 PM
Okay, Sir John Quicksure now, a knight errant from the McDeath campaign who apparently has no sympathy for painters trying to squeeze a griffon onto a shield with a dirty great spike in the middle!

(https://myalbum.com/photo/VsepcjLu74Fu/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/fP8ZSNncPozP/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/fDfsJ9fKb5PY/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/xNinpZbJVLYQ/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/rwAAZuaRes4M/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/YuAHvgnBScB8/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/o94oizYYgk5V/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/CdNLyhwphaVT/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: Neldoreth on July 18, 2019, 06:40:42 PM
Great, inspiring paints on these old figures, thanks for posting!

n
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Post by: thebinmann on July 18, 2019, 06:42:13 PM
Stunning

For me too the citadel spikes have been a,n enigma - to file or not to file...
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Post by: Cubs on July 18, 2019, 07:13:21 PM
Stunning

For me too the citadel spikes have been a,n enigma - to file or not to file...

The plastic shield system was pretty innovative in fairness and works fine for the more 'cartoonish' subjects, but if it was up to me, I'd have flat shields on all subjects with a central design. For me, the aesthetics are more important than retaining the original state of the old models. I can completely understand when a customer just wants the classic models preserved as authentically as possible though.
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Post by: Belligerentparrot on July 18, 2019, 08:00:22 PM
Just fantastic painting Cubs, absolutely stunning!

On the shield-spike issue, as a super-super-shite painter I always appreciated them, as it gave the shield some character. The good painters among friends I knew generally filed them off, while the one really fucking good painter left them on and worked around them.
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Post by: Blackwolf on July 18, 2019, 08:23:52 PM
Lovely,as always   :-*
I always clipped the spike off, and filled the hole,except for Chaos Dwarves, hahaha
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Post by: thebinmann on July 18, 2019, 08:36:56 PM
IIRC I filed the knobs off but left the spikes...
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Post by: Cubs on July 22, 2019, 10:55:08 AM
Some Orc nostalgia fun now, just for happy joy-joys inbetween paying work.

First up a lovely Orc brusier (one of the C-series bodyguards is he? something like that) with an awful shield. Honestly, I don't know what possessed the sculptor to lob that giant skull thing and the stipply putty background on it, but hey-ho. Lots of 'dead area' extra metal on this guy as well - not much you can do with that except paint it black (cue Rolling Stones intro).

(https://myalbum.com/photo/YfB4khio755m/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/j6oiS2hjHjS2/1k0.jpg)

Now a model that I never really liked much, but he's painted up nicely and I've come around to him. This guy's very plain other than the severed head (I probably appreciated these sorts of gruesome details better as a kid). He's also wearing a battered chain shirt over skin Ö damn those orc hides are tough.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/VPP5KpxVsiCK/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/jiUfgLRc3neD/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/vnGCDDH7BNR9/1k0.jpg)

And last but not least, the Champion from Harboth's Black Mountain Boyz. Again, it's not an overly attractive model (I think my original had his Christmas tree decoration removed from the hat sharpish) with a bizarre weapon, but again he's painted up nicely and has a great face. I actually made a mistake with the shield and plopped way more blood onto it than intended, but decided to work it in rather than remove it all, and I quite like the effect.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/RkMJvPBWfVyk/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/XH3VZjuNG7Xj/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/MCb9odMHhJ4D/1k0.jpg)


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Post by: Bloggard on July 22, 2019, 11:00:15 AM
do love your style. All look great.
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Post by: Keith on July 22, 2019, 11:53:39 AM
Oh my days - all lovely but that last fellow is amazing!
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Post by: Duff on July 22, 2019, 12:44:08 PM
This thread is like a comfort blanket made of nostalgia. You seem to have selected all of my favourite Citadel minis to paint, and then made them look better than I would have thought possible. Bravo.
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Post by: Hobgoblin on July 22, 2019, 01:05:26 PM
Superb! And Yaskin Forit too!
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Post by: Dr Mathias on July 22, 2019, 02:17:09 PM
Great painting man. I like that orc with the thin jutting jaw with the severed head quite a bit.
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Post by: majorsmith on July 22, 2019, 03:08:01 PM
Loving those orcs, particularly the 2nd one
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Post by: randycarter on July 22, 2019, 03:38:56 PM
Wanderful, wanderful job on these, I like the palette choice!
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Post by: marrony on July 22, 2019, 07:47:27 PM
Simply superb orcs
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Post by: Cubs on July 23, 2019, 09:09:37 AM
Thanks guys, I do like painting up my old Orcs in a grimy style. Clean Orcs seem wrong.
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Post by: thebinmann on July 23, 2019, 10:25:49 AM
Stunning!

Looking for Orcs at the moment, was thinking of Ral Partha but might go back to pre slotta Citadel now....
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Post by: JollyBob on July 23, 2019, 01:04:57 PM
Thanks guys, I do like painting up my old Orcs in a grimy style. Clean Orcs seem wrong.

Yes, I have never quite got my head round the current trend for brightly coloured, shiny orcs either. They should be grubby, skinny, malevolent looking buggers, debased men not huge lime-green apes.

Anyway, that's my nerdstalgic rant out the way.  ::)

Superb painting as always. I wonder, have you ever posted a step by step of your work anywhere? I am really taken by the almost impressionistic feel I get from some of your minis and would love to know how you achieve it.
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Post by: Cubs on July 24, 2019, 09:17:40 AM
Oh you guys, too kind.



Superb painting as always. I wonder, have you ever posted a step by step of your work anywhere? I am really taken by the almost impressionistic feel I get from some of your minis and would love to know how you achieve it.

The only step-by-step I can remember doing was for some Paul hicks Airborne guys a few years back - probably not the sort of thing you were wanting!

To be honest I'd love to be able to paint in that satin-smooth style that the likes of Stone Cold Lead are able to achieve; that's just gorgeous. Or there's the wonderful luscious colours of Duff's Glorantha work, or Captain Scarlet's eye popping crispness, or even the creepy beauty of Blasphemia's Gothic portraits. My earlier work seems to have been much smoother and neater when I look through my back catalogue, so I'm forced to conclude that I think my eyes are going!

Without getting too pretentious (hopefully) I'm less married to a formulaic style now where I follow a well followed process and produce a consistent style made from base, midtone, highlight (nothing wrong with it of course and it's very useful for getting a nice standard to multiple models). Each figure now seems to require something a little different from me each time. Sometimes the light will catch it while I'm painting and seems to hint at something the sculptor wants to portray, or I'll be working from a source photo and there's an unexpected use of colour I'm going to have to reproduce somehow.

Like a lot of people, I've always admired the Godfather of tabletop miniature painting, Kev Dallimore, and his great economic style where a single brushstroke seems to convey so much to the figure. Perhaps as the old eyes fade, I'm trying to emulate that? Just blobbing the right sorts of colours and shades down in the right areas lets my blurry vision interpolate nicely. I'm always a bit annoyed when I do a close-up photo to see how messy it looks blown up on the screen, but I prefer to keep doing that, so people can see how I put the paint on easier, in case they want to try out a similar technique.   
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Post by: JollyBob on July 24, 2019, 10:55:30 AM
Thanks for the reply, Cubs.  :)

That all makes sense to me, my own painting is getting a little more "relaxed" as my eyes get older... There is definitely less of the crispness you describe and I find myself relying more on washes and shades than I used to. I just have this mental block about introducing new colours to the mix - I can see in your work where a spatter of red or some blue undertones can really lift a figure, but I can't bring myself to do it - brown is brown and red is red and that's all neat and orderly!  lol
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Post by: Cubs on July 24, 2019, 11:41:04 AM
Often it's a leap of faith! If working from a photo or particularly a piece of artwork, the unexpected colour can be seen in situ before you try to introduce it. You can't really go wrong with putting fleshy (or browns that contrast to look fleshy) around the eyes, nose, mouth and tips of the ears. I sometimes put it on the finger and toe ends and inside of the knee and elbow. If your skin colour is already fleshy or reddish, then adding a blueish or purplish shade to those areas can work quite nicely.
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Post by: Battle Brush Sigur on July 24, 2019, 01:53:50 PM
While I'm not opposed to clean-looking Orcs/Orks, I do dig a well-done grimy look a lot. Speaks for the quality of the sculpts if either look works on them. :)
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Post by: JollyBob on July 25, 2019, 07:59:18 AM
Thanks again Cubs, I can see it is quite an organic process, and I guess a lot of trial and error is involved.

I'll give it a cautious try at some point.  :) 
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Post by: Hobgoblin on July 25, 2019, 01:47:55 PM
It's interesting, looking at those orcs again (and again ...), to see how the Perrys upped their game between the solid-based ranges and the first slotta ones (like Yaskin Forit). The older miniatures are nicer designs, but the execution is just that bit slicker with Yaskin. And those solid-based fellows themselves are the best of/improvements on the Fantasy Tribe range, as they were among the ones included in the narrower C15/16 range (which is why there are more of those two kicking around than most of the earlier variants).

Looking at Yaskin's helmet, I wonder if that was the influence of Kev Adams' conversions of Perry orcs, some of which had the same sort of outlandish headgear. His two-handed dwarf-tickler is a very odd weapon: I have him kicking around and am almost tempted to convert it into a goedendag (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goedendag).

Anyway, they're an absolute feast for the eyes!
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Post by: Cubs on July 25, 2019, 02:11:50 PM
His two-handed dwarf-tickler is a very odd weapon: I have him kicking around and am almost tempted to convert it into a goedendag (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goedendag).

It's a pain in the 'arris when the fluff doesn't match the models*. The whole idea is that the 'Dwarf Tickler' (which I see as a forerunner of the 'choppa') was a unique invention adopted by the entire regiment. But his looks nothing like that of the troopers, not even a scaled-up version! If he wasn't such a tricky model to get hold of (his rarity prevents me tampering with an original) I'd chop off the helmet decoration and replace the head of the weapon with something like a modified bill hook or glaive.

*This also applies to Mudak's Half Orcs, who are meant to be armed with clubs, but instead they all have long hook-tipped swords!
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Post by: Hobgoblin on July 25, 2019, 02:35:01 PM
Indeed! Yaskin's dwarf tickler looks a bit more like the one in the Tony Ackland illustration - but that's more of a spiked club than a "hooked cleaver".

(http://www.solegends.com/citrr/1rr05harboth/ffrr5harboth-02.jpg)

The other biggie in that regard is the description of Karnac's lizardmen each being armed with "at least two swords". The models don't have any swords at all!
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Post by: Cubs on August 12, 2019, 03:56:30 PM
Some more McDeath goodies.

Arka Zargul, leader of the dwarf miners.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/rDRNFSRNoLSc/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/aX7AS56QLEHL/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/6AApmpdWfAm2/1k0.jpg)


Juggo Joriksonn (alternate figure), Julia McEwman's bodyguard

(https://myalbum.com/photo/ZvUASEyCHMo3/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/WBcmwdQDhS3G/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/ZXqLk4w9EAKL/1k0.jpg)


Mergrey Calchoner, King Dunco's court magician

(https://myalbum.com/photo/nFVUdijSuf9j/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/BR6QwfzyUige/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/bFzXiBEzAvgy/1k0.jpg)


Ö and last but most, a wonderful model (with an enhanced tail because the original was feeble) - Spot, Lady McDeath's pet chaos hound 

(https://myalbum.com/photo/xPMGwU6W2EGM/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/xqjJrSbCKJte/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/8DUjMnF4BPGj/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: Elk101 on August 12, 2019, 09:10:05 PM
Thats chaos hound is spectacular Cubs, genuinely one of the best I've ever seen.
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Post by: majorsmith on August 12, 2019, 09:22:36 PM
LOVE the chaos hound!!
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Post by: Keith on August 13, 2019, 06:26:11 AM
Just brilliant as usual. Rapidly becoming one of my most visited threads so many thanks for that.

Interesting side note (to me at least) but Iíve been thinking about how my painting is evolving as my eyes get older. I seem to be slowly moving towards increased contrast - sharper edges and stronger colours. I think itís easier on my eyes these days  :)

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Post by: Grumpy Gnome on August 13, 2019, 07:48:29 AM
I am not normally a fan of the wide jawed GW Ork aesthetic compared to the more human looking orc look... but your amazing painting really has me rethinking that. Doing grubby well is harder than some folks think.

Overall your painting is brilliant. Love your color palette.
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Post by: Nord on August 13, 2019, 07:58:57 AM
Cracking good work all round, you make some pretty shoddy minis look good. The hound is slobberingly well done. :-*
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Post by: Cubs on August 13, 2019, 08:51:54 AM
Thanks guys, I'm glad it's spreading a little Oldhammer love. I don't hate new stuff, I just enjoy smearing myself in nostalgia and sitting in it so the waft reaches others.

Interesting side note (to me at least) but Iíve been thinking about how my painting is evolving as my eyes get older. I seem to be slowly moving towards increased contrast - sharper edges and stronger colours. I think itís easier on my eyes these days  :)

I think I am too. I'm finding that when I've 'finished' a model these days I'll often look at it, then um and ah, then give it a little dab of pure white somewhere (see the cheek of the woodsman or the spike on Spot's tail) - just a tiny bit to draw the eye - and then I use a dark wash to add a depth of shadow somewhere else (Spot's belly, Arka's mail shirt) to drag the contrast in the colours out a bit more.
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Post by: Hobgoblin on August 13, 2019, 09:30:07 AM
Great stuff! The hound is brilliant - and all that effort with the tail has really paid off. He's come out (damn Spot!) superbly.

Side-note: is that really Juggo Joriksonn? I thought he was a Norse dwarf!
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Post by: Blackwolf on August 13, 2019, 09:33:22 AM
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Post by: Cubs on August 13, 2019, 10:08:37 AM
Side-note: is that really Juggo Joriksonn? I thought he was a Norse dwarf!

That worm-can is most displeasing. The official Citadel miniature for Juggo is the mad Norse Dwarf berserker type with two swords (as seen earlier in this thread), BUT the fluff in the scenario and the illustrations for Juggo, show him as a bearded human with an axe (very similar to this guy). BUT the illustration in the character section shows him with two eyes, whereas the playing counter shows him with a black eye patch! Frankly it's enough to make me despair.

Basically, whatever the guys at Citadel were smoking/drinking while they cobbled the whole McDeath thing together, it seems to have resulted in no-one talking to anyone else and the official miniatures (usually taken from the existing Citadel ranges) in particular often bear little or no resemblance to the characters, which is doubly confusing because there were much more accurate figures already in the Citadel ranges that could have been used. One wonders if it was to do with production problems, or lack of stock, or details being changed at the 11th hour, or just plain old rushing to get it all published for a deadline.
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Post by: Hobgoblin on August 14, 2019, 12:20:13 PM
I see - that's quite a tangled tale! To make matters, this guy (or the matching miniature) was the official Juggo Jorikson in The Magnificent Sven, a year or two before:

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammerfb/images/1/14/Juggo_Jorikson_Norse_Dwarf_Berserker_2nd_Edition_illustration.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180516141633)
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Post by: Cubs on August 14, 2019, 12:56:31 PM
Ah, now to tangle the skein yet further, that set of legs is clearly the ones used on the Arka Zargul model, but with a different top half!
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Post by: Von Trinkenessen on August 14, 2019, 05:35:24 PM
So many figures of that era have the same basic "dollies".
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Post by: Swordisdrawn on August 15, 2019, 11:03:07 AM
The Mcdeath miniatures are superb
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Post by: Cubs on August 28, 2019, 01:50:25 PM
Hopefully this is now the last Juggo to go with this McDeath collection. This time he's the Talisman Woodsman, with added eye-patch.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/jk5iLE7XmGuC/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/d8xUMhyAasCb/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: Cosmotiger on August 28, 2019, 03:16:23 PM
I just took some time going through this thread- I'm so impressed with the dirty, worn, "lived-in" effect you get on your miniatures. They  match up so well with the picture in my mind when I think of what these characters/creatures would look like if they were real.
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Post by: Cubs on August 28, 2019, 03:27:52 PM
Thanks, but in all honesty it's an easy effect - usually just a bit of dark brown wash and/or a quick drybrush with a muddy colour. I mix my own colour combinations as well, so I have a lot of very handy brown shades already to go.
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Post by: peleset on August 29, 2019, 07:25:26 AM
Brown is truly the colour of life.

Please, keep splashing that brown around!
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Post by: Swordisdrawn on August 29, 2019, 10:43:38 AM
Wonderful stuff. Thanks for the weathering info for your browns. My browns always tend to be too muddy or slightly grey.  :(
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Post by: Cubs on October 02, 2019, 12:07:44 PM
More selfish indulgence this week with a little break between paying jobs.

First up is a Great Troll Adventurer from the Runequest Humanoid Adventurers boxed set. I bought him cheap in a job lot with other broken Runequest Trolls because his weapon was missing, so he has received a new maul, very similar to his original, made from parts of a leftover plastic Ogre standard I found in my bits box. He has also had his small shield built into a dome with putty, so I could put a scarab design on it. I don't know if he was an unfortunate recast, or just a poorly cast original, but there is a dirty great lump of waste metal under his right arm, which instead of trying to remove, I just painted as another box or satchel he is carrying. I love that he is so fully kitted out for adventuring!

(https://myalbum.com/photo/N7j2xzDTXGxG/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/XgXyVdpVtfDS/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/qi5s6Zdhivrr/1k0.jpg)


Now I don't usually show unfinished models, but I thought I'd give a sneak peek of a longish project I'm working on, namely the Goblin Warlord from the old Nick Lund Goblin Warlord Chariot (it also appears under various similar names). The shield is painted to go with the rest of my (still theoretical) Malal Warband, in the black and white design.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/XrS5ArkVX6ed/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/h6UzAPrjrkVg/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: Grumpy Gnome on October 02, 2019, 12:31:22 PM
I love that troll adventurer.
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Post by: Dr. Kevin Moon III esq. on October 02, 2019, 05:36:51 PM
Outstanding. Looking forward to seeing what becomes of the goblin!
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Post by: Elk101 on October 02, 2019, 05:44:18 PM
That Runequest troll is both an excellent sculpt and extremely well painted.
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Post by: Hobgoblin on October 02, 2019, 11:54:49 PM
Brilliant on both!

The way you've brought Bogdan Legbreak to life is astounding. Are you doing the full chariot, or is he destined for some other project?
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Post by: Cubs on October 03, 2019, 07:21:20 AM
Brilliant on both!

The way you've brought Bogdan Legbreak to life is astounding. Are you doing the full chariot, or is he destined for some other project?

I'm doing the chariot, but it's one of those time-consuming jobs that I'm sulking about and avoiding as much as possible. All that bare wood Ö and the wolves Ö don't get me wrong, I do love the distinct Nick Lind flavour to the wolves, but those deep set eye sockets and the mad fur texture Ö let's just say I'm one of life's prevaricators and I keep giving it the maŮana treatment.
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Post by: steders on October 04, 2019, 08:55:05 AM
I saw this and decided to dig out the ones I have and give them some TLC, very inspiring so thanks for that.
I'm in the process of cleaning and repairing.
Okay, I've actually put it down now, so I kind of have to do it.

I've had this idea in the back of my mind for ages to grab some of the old Runequest models I played with as a kid (they all belonged to my brother) and paint them up.

First up is the unaligned adventurer from the Runequest Adventurers #2 boxed set, but I've painted him up as Daka Fal, with a spirit rune on his shield. This guy is one of my all time favourites - just such a classic, simple pose but one that is still full of dynamism. He sums up the aesthetic joys of Oldhammer collecting to me - a bit of wistful sentimentality that reminds me of my childhood, combined with wonderful sculpting (but awful casting by today's standards).

(https://myalbum.com/photo/f6Ei0GRvNoyv/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/MFDDMpzJLDv5/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/ckkLn0oHbWTN/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: MrMidblight on October 04, 2019, 09:16:21 AM
Just dipping into the thread.

- Lovely stuff, that Talisman woodsman is OldHammer eyecandy!
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Post by: Cubs on October 04, 2019, 09:54:12 AM
I saw this and decided to dig out the ones I have and give them some TLC, very inspiring so thanks for that.
I'm in the process of cleaning and repairing.

Good to hear! The old Runequest models are beautifully sculpted and often overlooked, being indifferently casted (casted? cast?) and 'true' 25mm scale and a little on the small side. But they have such charm and paint up so nicely. The detail is crisp and would respond well to inks and washes to bring out texture. 
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Post by: Cubs on October 04, 2019, 09:59:10 AM
I'm glad the thread is spreading a little joy, the models do lighten my heart.

And as if to reinforce the theory that nothing is as desirable to us as something we once had and lost, this peerlessly vintage C20 Troll, revelling in the name 'Shakined Bone Bender' is a model I once owned and to my shame, sold off years ago. I managed to buy one on eBay a while back (for a lot more than I sold mine for of course) and he has been sat on the desk gathering dust for months. I have finally got round to putting some paint on this glorious old sculpt, arguably the best Troll Citadel ever made.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/6u9WqpSSARSu/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/Z68Dg3M3zuwW/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: nicknorthstar on October 04, 2019, 10:20:36 AM
I love that figure, and I love your paint job.
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Post by: Swordisdrawn on October 04, 2019, 10:48:06 AM
I m not often speechless but the troll is wow. The skin tones are superb with the variations of tone  cubs. First class
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Post by: majorsmith on October 04, 2019, 05:30:37 PM
Not sure thatís the best troll they ever did but itís pretty fantastic!
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Post by: Nicklas P on October 04, 2019, 06:20:36 PM
That's just gorgeous! Love this sculpt and I check eBay every now and then in the hopes of finding one at a reasonable price. I think there's a bit of its design DNA in GWs latest trolls (or troggoths).
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Post by: Hobgoblin on October 04, 2019, 06:33:18 PM
Superb! It's inspired me to dig my Shakined out of the lead pile and slap on a gesso undercoat (for nothing more than a quick 'n' dirty speed-paint, mind).

I'd tend to agree that he's the best GW troll; certainly, that C20 range is unsurpassed, I think, though, that I might struggle to pick out a favourite. Facially, Shakined's the odd one out, as he doesn't have the Scandinavian-style droopy troll noses of the others. But he does have the advantage of being immortalised in interior artwork in various editions of Warhammer:

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/77/aa/1a/77aa1a5a168c14b7cebbe271b7f87aa7.jpg)
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Post by: Cubs on October 04, 2019, 06:51:12 PM
Facially, Shakined's the odd one out, as he doesn't have the Scandinavian-style droopy troll noses of the others. But he does have the advantage of being immortalised in interior artwork in various editions of Warhammer:

Yeah, he's certainly unique, which is his charm for me. His features are so comical - the big flappy ears, pot belly, spindly legs - that I felt he needed 'nastying-up' a little. It's one reason why I went for black, beady eyes, so he'd look a little more sinister. I also felt that the dried dark blood on the bone was nastier than dripping red somehow.
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Post by: Hobgoblin on October 04, 2019, 07:02:57 PM
I also felt that the dried dark blood on the bone was nastier than dripping red somehow.

I noticed that: it works really well. He's done this before ...
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Post by: aircav on October 04, 2019, 07:17:18 PM
Absolutely bloody brilliant  8) 8) 8)
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Post by: hubbabubba on October 04, 2019, 07:32:23 PM
There's a lot to love in this thread. The painting is superb, especially when you consider how rough and ready some classic citadel scuplts  can be, not to mention the iffy quality of a lot of the casts.
Top painting Cubs, particularly love your metals.
Keep 'em coming.
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Post by: Keith on October 04, 2019, 08:16:28 PM
The latest addition looks wonderful!
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Post by: batu on October 04, 2019, 08:42:06 PM
Those C20 Trolls are new to me. What a bunch of cool models. Thanks Cubs for broadening my horizon again ;) Your painting is awsome as always. I am so happy when I come on here and see that you have update your thread. Please keep on doing what you do....
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Post by: beefcake on October 04, 2019, 11:16:23 PM
That's glorious! A sculpt ahead of its time I'd say!
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Post by: Alan Mercer on October 05, 2019, 06:56:36 AM
This is a great thread. Really nice work and a nostalgia trip too.
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Post by: Lost Egg on October 05, 2019, 08:33:42 AM
Lovely, characterful work.
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Post by: Blackwolf on October 05, 2019, 08:43:35 PM
Nice painting.
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Post by: steders on October 05, 2019, 10:05:43 PM
Got my lads ready to paint
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/41/1836-051019230321.jpeg)
Citadel and ral Partha
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Post by: Cubs on October 05, 2019, 10:16:31 PM
Go man, go!
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Post by: Cubs on October 08, 2019, 07:34:55 PM
Orctober is on us! Here's the compulsory Orc for the annual tradition, along with a little story. He's the last one of the C15 Armoured Orcs I decided to collect a couple of years back, and he led me a merry dance indeed. When I did find him listed somewhere he was insanely overpriced. I don't know if he was rare, or I was just having crappy luck. When I finally saw him one day for £2.99 on eBay, I snapped him up sharpish.

I don't normally take so many angles on the photos, but his face has some great detail, like the scar on his right cheek, and a beard! Whoever heard of a hairy Orc? Ah, the old days of variety in sculpting, rather than the generic computer-generated faces. With that in mind, note the hairy leg. I suppose it could have been chainmail or animal skin trousers, but it just looks like he's a particularly hirsute individual (he could probably pass for a Hobgoblin or small Bugbear as well).

(https://myalbum.com/photo/GpSUgKTNj5az/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/r6qDifVCSG5d/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/cghSvkeoSA7k/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/Hk8ytnZqdCMY/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/W4SAjX3DAXSQ/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: Duncan McDane on October 08, 2019, 07:57:50 PM
Yeah, one of my favorite pre-slotta Orcs, this one. PJ and basing of course excellent as always ;-).
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Post by: Hobgoblin on October 08, 2019, 11:00:25 PM
Brilliant as ever! Lovely muted tones. As always, the richness of the colours in the teeth (in particular) is astonishing.

Orctober is on us! Here's the compulsory Orc for the annual tradition, along with a little story. He's the last one of the C15 Armoured Orcs I decided to collect a couple of years back, and he led me a merry dance indeed. When I did find him listed somewhere he was insanely overpriced. I don't know if he was rare, or I was just having crappy luck. When I finally saw him one day for £2.99 on eBay, I snapped him up sharpish.

He's definitely much rarer than his sickle-wielding headmate (this guy (https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=77384.msg1013375#msg1013375)), who seems to turn up all the time. And he shares a body with one of the two dart-throwers in the range.

I don't normally take so many angles on the photos, but his face has some great detail, like the scar on his right cheek, and a beard! Whoever heard of a hairy Orc? Ah, the old days of variety in sculpting, rather than the generic computer-generated faces. With that in mind, note the hairy leg. I suppose it could have been chainmail or animal skin trousers, but it just looks like he's a particularly hirsute individual (he could probably pass for a Hobgoblin or small Bugbear as well).

You know, I think GW created the notion of hairless orcs at some point in the 90s, for reasons unknown. Tolkien's orcs were hairy: one of the Uruk-hai has a "hairy ear and filthy jowl", and Grishnakh's "hairy arms" are mentioned a couple of times.

And Warhammer orcs/goblins were (sometimes) hairy for quite a while. Besides this orc's head (on its two bodies), there's a long-haired C15 armoured orc (the one with two clubs), and then there's the fellow with the Leatherface-style metal helmet: he has a pointy beard poking out from beneath his face-plate. The Great Goblins were quite a beardy lot too.

With the slottabased ranges, things became a bit more standardised, but quite a few Kev Adams goblins still sport impressive moustaches. And the first savage orcs had lots of hair. Some of the Iron Claw black orcs have facial hair, and one or two of the second wave of Space Orks have the odd beard too.

So it's quite odd that they suddenly decided that orcs were hairless (I think it was explicitly stated in the rulebooks at one point).

Anyway, it all serves to reinforce your point about the wonderful variety of the early Citadel ranges. Those C15 orcs had so many traits that vanished from the subsequent ranges, whether it was beards, darts, two-handed swords, paired shortswords, Gene Simmons tongues, walrus tusks or foot-long underbites.
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Post by: steders on October 09, 2019, 08:33:58 AM
Lovely painting on that orc (although I always liked the ridiculous big jawed ones).
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Post by: Cubs on October 09, 2019, 09:04:09 AM
Yeah Ö I invite you to make your own thread for posting pics of your models though. This is kind of for my stuff.
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Post by: steders on October 09, 2019, 09:18:15 AM
Sorry Cubs, no offence mean't
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Post by: Cubs on October 09, 2019, 09:42:26 AM
Sorry Cubs, no offence mean't

No worries. I'll come visit you in your thread, promise. I'll even bring beer. Now bugger off, the Wales match is kicking off!
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Post by: steders on October 09, 2019, 10:00:37 AM
I hope they lose! :)
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Post by: Swordisdrawn on October 09, 2019, 04:45:57 PM
Excellent work on the old school miniatures. Thanks for the PM to putting it into practice now!  :D
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Post by: Cubs on October 14, 2019, 02:47:21 PM
Coming to the end of the McDeath collection now - I can't believe I've nearly painted the entire collection (other than the Highlanders, someone else painted those!), what a treat and something I never thought I'd do!

The two incarnations of Klinty the Treemen are presented for your viewing pleasure. Why two? Same reason as before really, for reasons best known to themselves, when GW released the models for the scenario pack, they gave the second (very tree-ish) version as the official miniature. However, the first version perfectly matches the cover illustration (I've bent his arms slightly to give a bit more animation) ... so why did they Ö etc .. etc .. answers on a postcard as always.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/VZtkzSjCPZsY/1k0.jpg) 

(https://myalbum.com/photo/ATPhQss23SEV/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/uahwygwA9fk5/1k0.jpg)


(https://myalbum.com/photo/Aoq7KMKpLsFK/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/7qufzJyuddH6/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: Elk101 on October 14, 2019, 03:47:43 PM
Great bark tones on those two treemen. Didn't they pretty much use that same first sculpt as a Bloodbowl treeman with the addition of a helmet and shoulder pad?
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Post by: Cubs on October 14, 2019, 05:12:50 PM
Great bark tones on those two treemen. Didn't they pretty much use that same first sculpt as a Bloodbowl treeman with the addition of a helmet and shoulder pad?

Yeah, I think you're right, it's exactly the same sculpt, with additions.
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Post by: Hobgoblin on October 14, 2019, 06:31:42 PM
Superb! You've given them both a rather haunted, haunting look - as if they'd much rather be something other than trees but are getting on with the job as it's the only option. I've always thought the older one rather comic, but it looks really quite sinister here - shades of Dante's Inferno (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/DVinfernoForestOfSuicides_m.jpg/800px-DVinfernoForestOfSuicides_m.jpg), perhaps?
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Post by: Elk101 on October 14, 2019, 06:59:56 PM
Superb! You've given them both a rather haunted, haunting look - as if they'd much rather be something other than trees but are getting on with the job as it's the only option. I've always thought the older one rather comic, but it looks really quite sinister here - shades of Dante's Inferno (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/DVinfernoForestOfSuicides_m.jpg/800px-DVinfernoForestOfSuicides_m.jpg), perhaps?

I think you're right, I always found it a little cartoony, but Cubs' version has a more ethereal look.
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Post by: Cubs on October 15, 2019, 08:26:40 AM
It does have a twisted, tortured tree spirit aspect to it, doesn't it? The writhing branches are really quite sinister.
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Post by: Donpimpom on October 15, 2019, 03:23:08 PM
Yeah, I think you're right, it's exactly the same sculpt, with additions.
Brilliant paint job Cubs!
you just inspired me to look for my old BB treemen and move him up in the paintings list
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Post by: Pil on October 15, 2019, 07:26:24 PM
Nice thread, some very impressive paint jobs and repair work on very classic and characterful models. My favourites have to be the main characters of McDeath. I also noticed the earl of Harkness carries the same sword as pre-slotta Krell.
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Post by: Cubs on October 30, 2019, 12:05:34 PM
A couple of lovely C28 Citadel giants - one is Markul Grimmock from the McDeath scenario pack collection and the other is just one for me, thanks to Richard Orclord Hale for supplying me with his spiked club, which was missing. I spent a lot of time getting different colours and textures into the skin, since I was working with such a big canvas and I thought if anyone's going to have a nasty complexion, it's these guys.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/GHMiPUGktnYn/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/Xh3mAdcbQYTo/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/zRVvacJMJkXT/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/XAD92iNxTJn8/1k0.jpg)


(https://myalbum.com/photo/gRnjUnjyUTJA/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/RzL9NN7A5YPL/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/xhfmvNSbGZJw/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/kMNB2hs4skZz/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: Neldoreth on October 30, 2019, 02:59:13 PM
Those giants looks great, so much character. So dirty and gritty but excellently executed.

Also, those sculpts are pretty great. So much of a story is told with the giant standing there in an unmotivated pose while twirling his hair... and the pirate giant wielding a cannonball. It's awesome.

thanks
n
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Post by: Swordisdrawn on October 30, 2019, 03:56:58 PM
Such character in these old miniatures
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Post by: Dr Mathias on October 31, 2019, 01:18:43 AM
Damn, those skin tones are perfect. Well done man!
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Post by: syrinx0 on November 01, 2019, 01:57:36 AM
Those are wonderfully realistic.  They really look like they live a rough life!
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Post by: DeafNala on November 01, 2019, 02:34:07 AM
The Giants are OUTSTANDING pieces; BEAUTIFULLY painted & based. You did a fine job bringing out their abundance of personality.  VERY WELL DONE!
I had never seen either one of the Big Fellows before. That made the viewing even more of a treat.
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Post by: Grumpy Gnome on November 01, 2019, 08:14:39 PM
Yeah, those giants are brilliant!
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Post by: Roo on November 01, 2019, 08:25:30 PM
Incredible giants, the skin tones are amazing and love those old sculpts.
 
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Post by: Hobgoblin on November 01, 2019, 09:41:32 PM
Amazing painting!

I know those giants more from the old line drawings in Citadel catalogues than from photos, so it's great to see them done so splendidly.

Something I've always liked about those Perry designs is that some of the giants are decidedly different from just outsized ugly humans. Your second fellow here epitomises that, with his Bauer-troll nose and his three-fingered hands. I recall there was one head variant with no hair and a goblinish look - and was there a cyclops too?
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Post by: Cubs on November 01, 2019, 09:48:53 PM
Amazing painting!

I know those giants more from the old line drawings in Citadel catalogues than from photos, so it's great to see them done so splendidly.

Something I've always liked about those Perry designs is that some of the giants are decidedly different from just outsized ugly humans. Your second fellow here epitomises that, with his Bauer-troll nose and his three-fingered hands. I recall there was one head variant with no hair and a goblinish look - and was there a cyclops too?

Yeah, it was an early experiment with multi-parts, with heads and weapons separate. Presumably you could select your own on mail order or just try your luck in a shop! They were great old models and truly TRUE GIANTS under the old rules with their wacky attack options, as opposed to standard Giants and Small Giants (which usually consisted of Nick Lund Ogres, Runequest Trolls, Cyclopes, Minotaurs etc.. in our games).

Picture is from Stuff of Legends.

(http://solegends.com/citc/c028giants/c1p33c28giantsx-02.jpg)
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Post by: Hobgoblin on November 01, 2019, 10:09:37 PM
Ah - that brings back memories! I always coveted the spiky head, second top in the right-hand column.

I'd forgotten that old Warhammer distinction between giant types. It's a great idea: the biggest "what you see is what you get" difficulty with most fantasy rules is reflecting the fact that one giant might be a quarter of the size of another.
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Post by: Cubs on November 01, 2019, 10:40:33 PM
But then my brother had a plastic Ogre model from the big 54mm Fighting Fantasy range, which was bigger again! At some point you just have to say "Ah, it's close enough!"
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Post by: Bloggard on November 02, 2019, 10:02:20 AM
Such character in these old miniatures

yep, and fantastic paint-jobs.
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Post by: Captain Blood on November 03, 2019, 03:57:51 PM
Cubbin amazing!  ;)
Those are some big old dirty boys...
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Post by: Too Bo Coo on November 03, 2019, 04:33:18 PM
Just fantastic!!!!!
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Post by: Blasphemia Blackwood on November 04, 2019, 11:17:41 AM
The palette and painting style you use fit so well on these old minis. Such eye candy!
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Post by: Battle Brush Sigur on November 04, 2019, 02:17:47 PM
Not even sure I've ever seen these C28 giants. Great sculpts, and you really did a good job on the skin on those. Very cool.
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Post by: thebinmann on November 04, 2019, 08:04:15 PM
But then my brother had a plastic Ogre model from the big 54mm Fighting Fantasy range, which was bigger again! At some point you just have to say "Ah, it's close enough!"

I had the cyclopes f'ing enormous. But, the painting kept cracking and flaking, I think it end in the bin....

oh for shame
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Post by: Cubs on November 05, 2019, 12:58:10 PM
Yet more McDeath, this time a lovely and most rare Citadel Turtle Dragon, 'The Monster of Loch Lorm' itself. What a unique miniature, a real beaut.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/cUMAdL4ESPu8/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/4aBkCYaiLiJ8/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/9S3BSVpiEUkW/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: Severian on November 05, 2019, 01:12:37 PM
Well isn't that just marvellous. Outstanding work there.
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Post by: Bloggard on November 05, 2019, 01:37:26 PM
oh Turtle Dragon, you are most beautiful  :-*
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Post by: steders on November 05, 2019, 02:33:46 PM
That shell is amazing, fantastic!
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Post by: Captain Blood on November 05, 2019, 03:03:55 PM
Wow  :-*
That is art.
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Post by: Swordisdrawn on November 05, 2019, 03:21:11 PM
Simply fantastic  :o
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Post by: majorsmith on November 05, 2019, 03:58:39 PM
Thatís ace
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Post by: Anatoli on November 05, 2019, 04:05:22 PM
Simply amazing painting, fantastic choice of colors on the miniatures in this thread!!  :-* :-*  :o
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Post by: twrchtrwyth on November 05, 2019, 11:06:11 PM
Wow.
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Post by: Blackwolf on November 05, 2019, 11:11:53 PM
Lovely  :-*
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Post by: Brandlin on November 05, 2019, 11:25:39 PM
That's not painted. You found a really baby one and glued it to a base didn't you?

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Post by: Cubs on November 14, 2019, 01:24:51 PM
Who doesn't love a Red Orc? Silly people, that's who.

I bring you the glorious Mogro Necksnapper of McDeath fame, plus a more modest footsoldier, both of whom sport that wonderful classic rust-red skin that was the norm for Orcs when I first got into the hobby.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/cyK4BukEv6sW/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/R4XRGb4pFsc4/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/2VzXhRJJ5Hfd/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/4xJPTNaEiGrL/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/4WkBWzPKcTH2/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: Hobgoblin on November 14, 2019, 03:30:01 PM
A splendid pair! There are a few orcs sporting that sort of hue in Heroes for Wargames. It looks great - especially with your brushwork!

Mogro Necksnapper's also a reminder that there's no particular reason why an orc leader has to be some ogre-sized lump. All the McDeath-era orc chiefs were much the same size as other orcs - as was Harboth.
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Post by: Hobgoblin on November 14, 2019, 03:32:17 PM
Just noticed the subtle bronze helmet - that's a great touch too!

And you've done as good a job on the halberdier's right arm as is humanly possible; it's no surprise that the slightly later armoured-orc variant got a chainmail sleeve!
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Post by: majorsmith on November 14, 2019, 03:50:16 PM
Super stuff
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Post by: Cubs on November 14, 2019, 03:50:48 PM
And you've done as good a job on the halberdier's right arm as is humanly possible; it's no surprise that the slightly later armoured-orc variant got a chainmail sleeve!

Not the finest example of anatomical rendering is it? Odd, because the left arm is okay, but the misplaced musculature and odd crease on the inside of the elbow Ö not a fun bit to paint I must admit.
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Post by: Cubs on November 14, 2019, 03:53:53 PM
Mogro Necksnapper's also a reminder that there's no particular reason why an orc leader has to be some ogre-sized lump. All the McDeath-era orc chiefs were much the same size as other orcs - as was Harboth.

Yeah, with him being an early slotta-base, he looks positively undersized next to pre-slotta Orcs benefitting from the extra height of their integrated base, before the scale-creep and steroid abuse of the Citadel Orcs began.
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Post by: Swordisdrawn on November 14, 2019, 10:54:38 PM
Very nice indeed. Never very keen on the almost lime green highlights on the citadel orcs after a certain point in GW hisory Love the reddish skin.
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Post by: Cubs on November 15, 2019, 05:29:04 PM
Another Spot - this time the official model with the smaller sting tail. I went for a paler colour scheme, closer to the original McDeath cover art.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/mvwPSZWAxJKs/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/X9gaQFiqbTTH/1k0.jpg)

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Post by: Spooktalker on November 15, 2019, 05:33:42 PM
The orcs, dragon turtle and hound are all really fine!  :-* Nice choice for a base for the dragon turtle. Proxie Models?
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Post by: Cubs on November 15, 2019, 05:45:21 PM
The orcs, dragon turtle and hound are all really fine!  :-* Nice choice for a base for the dragon turtle. Proxie Models?

I think so, yes, the customer provided it for me (he loves the hex bases).
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Post by: syrinx0 on November 16, 2019, 04:58:00 AM
Love the Spot model.  Your painting really makes it come alive.  :-*
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Post by: Swordisdrawn on November 16, 2019, 07:07:58 AM
Superb painting :o
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Post by: Roo on November 16, 2019, 07:22:52 AM
Incredible painting on some lovely old school miniatures
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Post by: JollyBob on November 16, 2019, 09:12:29 AM
For a dog with two heads and a scorpion tail, that's got to be the most natural paintjob I've ever seen on a hound!  :o
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Post by: Cubs on November 27, 2019, 12:39:21 PM
A lovely little personal project for myself to clear some of the lead pile and indulge in some nostalgia - Citadel Half Orc Hero, foot and mounted. I thought he was the 'Half Orc of Grim Countenance' in the FA listings (he certainly does have one) but I've been informed he's a C-series adventurer. Reminds me of the 60's/70's actor Hugh Griffith (look him up).

(https://myalbum.com/photo/fqbyK9MnRaUK/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/6eHdDghKiEDj/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/hP9h8S56MSZL/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/XLnaQsVhzFbf/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/iHRrjMPeBKUv/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/hruNktH2Luec/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/s4n6iDUsJyZv/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: Hobgoblin on November 27, 2019, 12:47:08 PM
Brilliant!

He's crying out (or yelling harshly) for a group shot with your other Aly Morrison half-orcs.
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Post by: Cubs on November 27, 2019, 12:58:25 PM
I want to get a few more of those Half Orcs painted first, so I can get a decent group-shot going. I thought I'd been really good keeping my collections limited to rigidly set boundaries, but there's (obviously) still a huge lead mountain to work through.
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Post by: Bearwoodman on November 27, 2019, 01:42:47 PM
Wonderful painting! I am especially taken by the hound, the way you have captured the different textures, the wrinkly skin, the shaggy fur, the wet mouth, is great. I painted a dog once and it did not look half as good (although thinking about it I would be very pleased if any of my stuff looked half as good as any of yours). And that grim-countenanced orc; coming from a species not famed for its beauty he might be the most repellantly ugly I have seen.
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Post by: Swordisdrawn on November 27, 2019, 03:49:09 PM
The half orc is superb. His face is full of charactor   :o
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Post by: majorsmith on November 27, 2019, 04:10:26 PM
 RilliNt! Love those severed heads too, great skin tone!
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Post by: Cubs on December 20, 2019, 03:40:03 PM
Another Orc done for fun, with an added crossbow cord made from a plastic bristle from a cheap dustpan and brush set.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/3RN7oRmwmQku/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/Qbwp6dyPh8qn/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/hZ7sgNuPgyVH/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: guitarheroandy on December 20, 2019, 03:47:59 PM
That's a fantastic paint job - perfect for that model too; brings out all the charm of the sculpt.
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Post by: JollyBob on December 20, 2019, 07:54:24 PM
In the best possible way, that is one scrofulous looking sod. 8)
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Post by: marrony on December 20, 2019, 08:32:01 PM
Superb!
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Post by: kaiser on December 25, 2019, 04:27:28 PM
I think you are my favorite painter. I love your use of black and dark coulurs in  warm tones. Do you by chance have any tutorials about how you approach painting in this style floating around the internet?
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Post by: Cubs on December 25, 2019, 06:48:27 PM
I think you are my favorite painter. I love your use of black and dark coulurs in  warm tones. Do you by chance have any tutorials about how you approach painting in this style floating around the internet?

Thank you so much. I get the tutorial request a lot and I'm always embarrassed to say I don't do any (apart from a tutorial on painting British Airborne I did years ago). I honestly couldn't say what sort of process I go through when I paint, nor really what colours I use (I mix my own colours in 4-6 stage pots and have them ready on the desk).

In general I do paint from a black undercoat base and leave plenty of shadow in the creases when building up the layers towards the highlights. I use brown and black washes quite a lot to get shade and dirt effects and I like to use a lot of brown shades in general, sometimes using muddy brown flicks on the edges of things to show them as being dirty and tatty. I also like to put a tiny spot of extreme highlight on things occasionally, just on one or two points.

I do like to play with flesh tones as well and concentrate on faces, especially eyes, because that's what people look at first.
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Post by: kaiser on December 25, 2019, 06:56:54 PM
Thank you so much. I get the tutorial request a lot and I'm always embarrassed to say I don't do any (apart from a tutorial on painting British Airborne I did years ago). I honestly couldn't say what sort of process I go through when I paint, nor really what colours I use (I mix my own colours in 4-6 stage pots and have them ready on the desk).

In general I do paint from a black undercoat base and leave plenty of shadow in the creases when building up the layers towards the highlights. I use brown and black washes quite a lot to get shade and dirt effects and I like to use a lot of brown shades in general, sometimes using muddy brown flicks on the edges of things to show them as being dirty and tatty. I also like to put a tiny spot of extreme highlight on things occasionally, just on one or two points.

I do like to play with flesh tones as well and concentrate on faces, especially eyes, because that's what people look at first.

Well, your explanation makes a lot of sense when I look through your various threads. Thank you for that.
 I want to try out painting with more contrast myself. The use of pure white dots here and there, even on skin, is probably where I'll start. Do you mix in a lot of red into your browns? They have a certain warmness to them, which I really like.
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Post by: Blackwolf on December 25, 2019, 09:23:31 PM
You make it sound so easy Cubs :)
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Post by: Cubs on December 26, 2019, 10:51:23 AM
Do you mix in a lot of red into your browns? They have a certain warmness to them, which I really like.

I have a lot of brown shades ready (can't have too many) and some have red in. The Red Leather and Italian Yew (fairly arbitrary names I've given them really, depending on what I was about to paint when I mixed them up first time) have red in, but there's also dull shades like Khaki Brown, Butternut, Dull Leather, Chocolate .. etc ..
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Post by: Shahbahraz on December 26, 2019, 11:26:09 AM
Love it, that's an absolutely superb paint job. I'm especially impressed with the way you mix green and flesh tones on the muzzle and ears in such a convincing and naturalistic way. It's very difficult to paint 'dirty' without it looking muddy and dull, but it really works here and on your other figures.

Incidentally, some of the old Citadel sculpts were absolutely brilliant. I now have a feeling to go dig in the shed and see what's there.
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Post by: Melnibonean on December 28, 2019, 09:35:43 AM
Fantastic.

I remember many of these figures when they were in my collection way back (a friend still has many of them stowed away in Quality Street tins in his garage). I agree with you on the orcs too. Those figures are what I envision when I think of orcs/goblins. I use to have a bunch of them and I'd love to get my hands on a big batch of them nowadays.
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Post by: Keith on December 28, 2019, 10:04:21 AM
Absolutely love this one - class!  :-*
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Post by: Cubs on March 16, 2020, 07:08:39 PM
Latest addition is 'The Editor' from the White Dwarf Personalities pack. I believe it's based on Ian Livingstone.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/yJXeSU5NusVM/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/zzrvynQdW2Fd/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: Lost Egg on March 16, 2020, 08:06:45 PM
:D He's awesome! Cracking job sir.
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Post by: Elk101 on March 16, 2020, 08:13:31 PM
Great skin tones on that, Cubs.
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Post by: Shahbahraz on March 16, 2020, 08:47:44 PM
That is simply superb. The flesh tones are just perfect. It reminds me of a Frazetta painting. I wish I had your command of colour.
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Post by: Jacksarge on March 17, 2020, 03:02:14 AM
Must admit I don't recognise these miniatures even though a teen back in the 80's, the whole Citadel/GW thing just passed me by -but...I love looking at your painting Cubs. So impressed by the fleshtones & earthy "realism" of your work - wish I could figure out how some of it was done.
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Post by: Dr Mathias on March 17, 2020, 03:17:45 AM
Agreeing with the others, the face and skin are incredibly realistic.  :-*
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Post by: Vanvlak on March 17, 2020, 06:39:34 AM
That is just superb  :o :-* 8)
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Post by: Cubs on March 17, 2020, 07:58:37 AM
Thanks guys, very kind.

One thing I will say is that the sculpt helped me a lot - it's like a caricature and has a lot of great character built in.

The other thing is that I've started treating mins like a painting and I tend to put the colour and light where I think it will look good, not necessarily where the rules of layering say I should. That means it's not an even highlight, I usually go towards a point of light (the shoulder, the top of the forehead) and it's just the natural light at my desk that gives me the hint as to how the light will fall - I just exaggerate that.

As for the skin tones, I just use a 5 stage 'European Flesh' colour and then at the end I add a little red/pink with inks or watered down maroon paint, literally just brushing a little on here and there on the nose/cheeks and maybe hands.
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Post by: Hobgoblin on March 17, 2020, 09:13:49 AM
That's an absolutely stunning paintjob! Your 'painterly' approach is just fantastic.
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Post by: Muzfish4 on March 17, 2020, 10:41:28 AM
Awesome thread.

I remember playing the McDeath campaign as a teenager with my gaming pal and this thread brings back happy memories of a simpler time. Tempted to have a dig in my box of old rpg miniatures ....
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Post by: Koyote on March 17, 2020, 03:48:55 PM
Gorgeous work!

I envy your skill with inks to shade different portions of the models' flesh.
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Post by: Duff on March 26, 2020, 05:32:27 PM
That's lovely work. :-*
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Post by: Belligerentparrot on March 26, 2020, 05:41:16 PM
"Treating minis like a painting" - you'll be Blanchitsu-ing in no time  :)

That editor is amazing - you've really brought him to life!
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Post by: Swordisdrawn on March 26, 2020, 06:14:25 PM
Totally brill. I struggle with flesh tones and the editor is bang on. Well done indeed.
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Post by: Cubs on April 01, 2020, 03:05:06 PM
Next up is Grombrindal himself, the original White Dwarf miniature, and Gobbledigook, a goblin who had his own comic strip in WD for a while but then seems to have quietly faded away, occasionally popping up as Grombrindal's lackey from time to time.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/4vwopUfENpPg/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/2TuR6gmjMn2a/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/2x2sHViDKwS2/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/XcPdb6Qgw95K/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: JollyBob on April 01, 2020, 03:31:48 PM
Gook looks amazing!  :)

Have you got his pal Nibl as well?
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Post by: Swordisdrawn on April 01, 2020, 04:07:04 PM
Both excellent. If i may ask how did you handle painting the goblins face and especially the eyes. They look especially good.
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Post by: Grumpy Gnome on April 01, 2020, 04:22:42 PM
Great stuff, both of them.
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Post by: Cubs on April 01, 2020, 05:21:19 PM
Both excellent. If i may ask how did you handle painting the goblins face and especially the eyes. They look especially good.

Well, the skin was just my normal layering thing, but I thought the little yellow specks would look a bit like scaly goblin skin. After the green went on I brushed on some watered down maroon on the nose, ears, mouth and around the eyes, with a lighter shade for highlight. The eyes were orange highlighted up to yellow, with the pupil in the middle. Then the extreme white highlights for shine I held the model and just looked where the light was already falling, then put in a quick speck with a thin brush. If the eyes are nice and big, I always try to put a light speck in the eyes so that it goes a little bit over the pupil - it seems to look better for some reason.
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Post by: syrinx0 on April 04, 2020, 03:45:55 AM
Fantastic job on the skin.  Really nice looking models.
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Post by: Swordisdrawn on April 04, 2020, 12:07:54 PM
Thanks for the breakdown of the flesh and eye painting. Very useful.
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Post by: Cubs on April 13, 2020, 05:18:03 PM
Next up are Agaroth the Unwashed, a smelly half-orc from the White Dwarf Personalities Boxed Set, and the Steve Jackson pirate model Ö which defies explanation.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/FcKq2B9nmxEf/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/iUti4naL7FSi/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/FdW86xVvZUWC/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/pp3MHvMtvrtm/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: Hobgoblin on April 13, 2020, 06:42:00 PM
Great job! That snarl of Agaroth's looks suitably halitoxic! Great figure too, I've always thought.

There's something mildly disturbing about the Jackson pirate.

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Post by: Cubs on April 13, 2020, 06:50:02 PM
Great job! That snarl of Agaroth's looks suitably halitoxic! Great figure too, I've always thought.

The face I like, but the weird slabs of whatever-it's-meant-to-be on the back Ö really annoying and frustrating. I left it as some sort of metallic armour, but who knows.

There's something mildly disturbing about the Jackson pirate.

He's leering creepily isn't he. The face is too real as well.
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Post by: Hobgoblin on April 13, 2020, 07:03:47 PM
The face I like, but the weird slabs of whatever-it's-meant-to-be on the back Ö really annoying and frustrating. I left it as some sort of metallic armour, but who knows.

I'd forgotten about that. When I painted mine, I couldn't work out if it was armour, badly sculpted arrows (but no bow) or a flanged mace carried in a very odd way. It's possible that the sculptor wasn't quite sure either - but going on the illustration (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-36dmJp1cuKo/Ttvhh4uUtXI/AAAAAAAAAUc/oWCS98F777Y/s1600/agaroth.png), your armour take seems to be correct.
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Post by: clanmac on April 13, 2020, 08:14:56 PM
Wonderful work. That face is just perfect.
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Post by: M.P. on April 13, 2020, 08:25:56 PM
Awesome :), I simply love Your painting style :).
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Post by: Cubs on April 13, 2020, 08:45:04 PM
I'd forgotten about that. When I painted mine, I couldn't work out if it was armour, badly sculpted arrows (but no bow) or a flanged mace carried in a very odd way. It's possible that the sculptor wasn't quite sure either - but going on the illustration (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-36dmJp1cuKo/Ttvhh4uUtXI/AAAAAAAAAUc/oWCS98F777Y/s1600/agaroth.png), your armour take seems to be correct.

I searched and searched for a flippin' illustration because I was sure this must have been based on one, but couldn't find it. I can breathe a bit easier now, I think you're right and they're just strange blades of armour jutting out. Better on a picture to get a pleasing shape than on a miniature perhaps. 
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Post by: Swordisdrawn on April 14, 2020, 06:01:55 AM
Tremendous work. Love the half orc. :-*
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Post by: Cubs on April 14, 2020, 08:26:50 AM
Thanks guys. It's a real joy to be able to paint up these Citadel legends. That's the great thing about doing this for a customer - they've got all the hassle of finding, buying and then storing the models whilst I get the fun of painting the classic collections I never had as a kid.
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Post by: sir_shvantselot on April 14, 2020, 09:01:06 AM
Blasts from the pasts. Fantastic.
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Post by: beefcake on April 14, 2020, 09:33:00 AM
Your skintones are great. Seriously great. love these old school minis even if they were a bit before my mini collecting time.
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Post by: Bloggard on April 14, 2020, 11:28:01 AM
fantastic.
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Post by: Thew1 on April 14, 2020, 02:14:15 PM
Just had to read this whole thread from pg 1 and wow...wow. Such amazing painting and dedicated repairs to some really lovely old sculpts. I think many of these sculpts probably pre-date my introduction to wargaming and collecting and painting little soldiers so thank you for the education and for the wonderful painting. Two particular highlights for me are the rehabilitation job you did on the runequest fighter on pg 2 and of course the beautiful Turtle Dragon  :-*. Thanks again Sir!
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Post by: Cubs on April 14, 2020, 02:47:39 PM
Just had to read this whole thread from pg 1 and wow...wow. Such amazing painting and dedicated repairs to some really lovely old sculpts. I think many of these sculpts probably pre-date my introduction to wargaming and collecting and painting little soldiers so thank you for the education and for the wonderful painting. Two particular highlights for me are the rehabilitation job you did on the runequest fighter on pg 2 and of course the beautiful Turtle Dragon  :-*. Thanks again Sir!

Well thank you, those two are lovely models. The turtle dragon was for a customer, but the Runequest stuff is mine, all mine!

I started collecting Citadel stuff in the early 80's (about ten years before I was born Ö ahem) and these models were either ones I was able to buy with my pocket money, or more likely stuff I would drool over in the Citadel Journals and the adverts in White Dwarf, without being able to afford them.
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Post by: Severian on April 14, 2020, 03:21:20 PM
Marvellous as always. A real pleasure to look at.

The Steve Jackson pirate is properly odd, isn't he; though he does illustrate a sort of unapologetic self-referential weirdness that was a rather endearing characteristic of the early Citadel stuff - like all those army lists in Forces of Fantasy with their indecipherable in-jokes about the writers' friends, colleagues and gaming partners. They just didn't care that almost all of their readers would only get a small bit of the joke. I have to admit I rather like that attitude...
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Post by: Cubs on April 18, 2020, 12:26:15 PM
Something a bit different now and my own fellas for a change.

Storytime : It was back in the early 80's when I first started taking notice of those little metal toys my brother had on his shelves. His love was the armies of Dwarves, Men of the West, East and North and Amazons. These were all 'Good' (well, neutral, but good-ish) armies so of course, if I was going to get in on the act, I'd have to be the baddies. He had a smattering of Orcs and Goblins (plus various Ogre and Troll types from various manufacturers) but I needed my own if I was ever going to win any battles (which was tragically rare). Hence, pretty much any evil dudes going were fair game. My goldfish attention span combined with my limited finances of the time resulted in me grabbing one or two boxes of as many different types of Regiment of Renown as I could find and finishing none of them. Spool forward 30-odd years and I'm now in a position to restock the old models I foolishly got rid of over the years, ignore those I never really liked (I confess I was never that keen on Grom's Goblin Guard or Mengil Manhide's Dark Elves) and grab some I never got round to the first time around.

The following is a sample miniature (painting to give me an idea of the right colour schemes for them) I've painted from each of the Regiments of Renown I have in the lead drawer right now, in various numbers. I just tried to stick to the stated uniform (where one is given in the blurb) whilst also tying the colour scheme in to my overall idea of a Malal-themed force, with black and white being prominent. Some of the regiments I have decided are just mercenaries, so have a different colour scheme.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/XCc7bmErHhGj/1k0.jpg)

RR18 Eeza Ugezod's Mother Crushers - these Black Orcs were a massive game changer for me. Finally I had troops that could go toe-to-toe with my brother's Bugman's Rangers and be expected to win (assuming they hadn't been shot to pieces by crossbows first). As models ... hmmm ... I think the word 'uninspiring' springs to mind. They should look like terrifying gigantic warriors wielding cleaving pole arms and instead look like elderly Italian women wearily carrying a farm implement. Why the cloth rag on the head? Why the hidden face? Why the odd cloth wraps in weird shapes on the limbs (really frustrating to paint)? Why the weird shaped weapons? Why the odd off-balance pose? Oh well, they were the only Black Orc game in town, so they were essential. His head covering shows the old, cracked-hide effect I've been playing with lately, as shown on a couple of the guys.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/KRXVL5GD9E55/1k0.jpg) 
(https://myalbum.com/photo/TYBPJ5gH55GW/1k0.jpg)


RR15 Throg's Hobgoblin Despoilers - Hobgoblins are one of those Warhammer races that suffered from lack of attention. I always quite liked their vaguely Eurasian flavour and of course the fact that they could frenzy but still wore armour. Another rare troop type who could take on Dwarves in a fair (ish) fight with some confidence. I like the models too, with their classic soldiery poses but with the swords casually resting on the shoulders. The shields are meant to have a device drawn in the blood of their enemies, which isn't easy to achieve in a way that looks good. I've gone for a filthy, messy effect as a bit of a dodge. There's a weird tradition of Hobgoblins having orangey skin and blue noses, which I couldn't stomach, so I went for reddish skin and blue bags under the eyes instead, which looks good to me.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/rsuJcmig4Y5t/1k0.jpg)
(https://myalbum.com/photo/NJNtPJJfRSVJ/1k0.jpg)


RR5 Harboth and the Black Mountain Boys - the originals. My first Regiment of Renown and just so bound with my first love of Warhammer and collecting models. The figures are almost like the distillation of the vintage Citadel Orc - bare foot, hunched, jaw-jutting, with the prototype 'choppa', years before such a thing made its first appearance in the rulebook. Why the almost Zulu-like tufts on the legs? Why the tiny shield clutched so tight to the body you wonder where the arm has gone? Why the oddly curved dagger with its strange attachments? Who cares, these boys are hammered indelibly into my memory and are the core of my collection.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/8r3ChBE5L7zJ/1k0.jpg)
(https://myalbum.com/photo/vhSDvnXGF48V/1k0.jpg)


RR9 Mudat's Half Orc Mercenaries - I can't help but feel guilty about these guys. When I was a kid, I didn't care about Half Orcs one bit. They were Ö normal. Why would I want to collect them when they were no different from a human? Of course, now it's all about the models instead of the gaming, so I can appreciate their ugly beauty. These troops are all meant to be armed with maces and hammers according to the blurb, but instead have long hooked swords for some reason (another example of that great amateurish enthusiasm of the early Citadel days when designers and sculptors seem to have enjoyed patchy communication) which surprisingly have usually survived the years without breaking off. One thing which is a real ball-ache is the horrible mould lines that every single model seems to have, running down the face and shield. Not easy to clean off, but they are such an attractive set, it's worth the effort.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/kYbhMo7qPBhE/1k0.jpg)
(https://myalbum.com/photo/TofPabJ9HCSx/1k0.jpghttp://)


RR16 Disciples of the Red Redemption - what impressionable young lad could fail to be excited by the idea of insane homicidal Chaos maniacs? Before I really understood about the Crusades or the religious orders of history, all I liked about these guys was that they were weird and could frenzy (at least I think they could - they did in our games anyway). I like the models too; such an understated sculpt that manages to neatly mesh the requirements of ranking up with movement and still looking like brooding, sinister Chaos monks. Great stuff. The back story is fun as well (look it up) as religious crusading bigots who embraced the hateful teachings of Khorne (a nice bit of subtle wisdom there) and should create a bit of interest with their final Malal comrades on my shelf.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/KzFbPS9pPkDm/1k0.jpg)
(https://myalbum.com/photo/i4UhwMB8ocNY/1k0.jpg)


RR6 Mad Mullah Aklan'd's Death Commandos - yet another unit of mine that could frenzy (I was never accused of having too much strategy when I played the game). In the blurb, it is said that Mad Mullah Aklan'd was a wizard, but then later leaders of the regiment were chosen from captains of the guard. They mention his powerful 'religio-magic' that twisted the desert religions to his own purposes - surely the influence of a Chaos god (like Malal)! It's a bit hazy and certainly the Araby armies (and related) were another 'race' sadly ignored by GW. Fortunately I think you can get plenty of unofficial lists online to satisfy your appetite for Men of the East forces. I like these guys and the static 'soldier at attention' pose suits them. The blurb describes their uniforms being blue, but I thought they deserved something a little more ornate and decorative. I was going to put fancy trim on the cloak as well, but chickened out, given that I'd eventually have to replicate it on every damn trooper.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/on9xh5FA3DAS/1k0.jpg)
(https://myalbum.com/photo/4v6dvUxqgmBM/1k0.jpg)

 
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Post by: Hobgoblin on April 18, 2020, 06:26:19 PM
Glorious as ever - and what a nostalgia trip (my first RoR was also the Black Mountain Boys)!

That black-orc skin colour is superb, and it fully redeems any failings in the model - all of which, I reckon, just come down to the marmite idiosyncrasies of the Nick Lund ranges. He certainly looks sinister enough now!

The Death Commando is brilliant too. Was the Mad Mullah's intellectual property bought out by Eeza Uzegod, do you suppose? And that half-orc face is amazing.

I've got a fair few of those hobgoblins kicking around in the cellar, I think; I now feel almost duty-bound to paint one up with a blue nose!

Oh - and a curious thing: did you know that Red Redemptionists pre-date Warhammer? They first appeared in Laserburn; Alternative Armies still carries the 15mm Asgard ones.
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Post by: fred on April 18, 2020, 07:48:44 PM
Great work, and a great blast of nostalgia.

I didnít have any of these as RoR, but I did have some of them from individual packs. Great to see them painted up so well.
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Post by: Muzfish4 on April 19, 2020, 01:11:29 AM
Wonderful stuff.

This thread continues to delight.
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Post by: Elk101 on April 19, 2020, 08:00:48 AM
Great to see these old figures, especially with such great paint jobs.
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Post by: Cubs on April 19, 2020, 09:01:04 AM
Thanks guys, I'm glad they're giving joy to others as well.

Oh - and a curious thing: did you know that Red Redemptionists pre-date Warhammer? They first appeared in Laserburn; Alternative Armies still carries the 15mm Asgard ones.

No way! Well that might explain their rather deeper than normal backstory.
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Post by: steders on April 19, 2020, 09:09:53 AM
Fantastic stuff cubs. Really love the half orc skin tone. I've got my half orcs on the painting desk at the minute (admittedly they are well down the queue)
Im going to try and put the ogre slave in the same unit.
Great stuff again
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Post by: Swordisdrawn on April 19, 2020, 11:19:29 AM
I love this thread! So many memories. I know some of the castings seem rough looking back but still much more charactorful than some newer GW stuff. Harboth is a great miniature and just found him out in.the garage with the flying gargoyles of Barda i thought lost in a house move two years ago. Going to have a crack at some old citadel stuff. Thanks for the inspiration!
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Post by: Lord_of_Moria on April 19, 2020, 01:19:28 PM
Each one is really impressive -but the black orc & hobgoblin (at least for me) are superb!
Is it possible to get a closer shoot of their faces?
The blending you do on their faces is something I'd like to learn to do myself.
Thanks for sharing
cheers
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Post by: Cubs on April 20, 2020, 03:09:35 PM
Each one is really impressive -but the black orc & hobgoblin (at least for me) are superb!
Is it possible to get a closer shoot of their faces?
The blending you do on their faces is something I'd like to learn to do myself.
Thanks for sharing
cheers

No! No close ups! Someone recently said I have an impressionist style of painting. Translation: it looks shite close up because my eyes are going bad with age.

Seriously, people ask about that malarkey all the time and there's no trick to it, it's very simple. I do the base skin tone - black, green, brown, whatever the main colour is - as normal. Then I decide which bits I want to have a different tone creeping in (often the tips of the ears, nose, eyes, mouth, even elbows, knees, fingertips and toes) and decide what colour I want them to be (a Eurasian flesh colour or pink is good, unless the main skin colour is already this shade, in which case dark pink or purplish can be effective). A little goes a long way on these, so don't overdo it - your eyes will pick up just a hint of the colour. Then I usually do a 3-stage, starting with the darkest colour which is diluted down and brush on gently to blend in with the main colour. The highlights are progressively less diluted and the last is just flicked here and there. Like I say, very simple, a little more time consuming perhaps but worth it. 

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Post by: majorsmith on April 20, 2020, 10:06:30 PM
Exceptional work
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Post by: Keith on April 22, 2020, 04:08:58 AM
Bloody wonderful! Throw in some Dark Elves and your nostalgia looks very similar to mine  :)
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Post by: syrinx0 on April 23, 2020, 12:38:26 AM
No! No close ups! Someone recently said I have an impressionist style of painting. Translation: it looks shite close up because my eyes are going bad with age.
For 105 your really not doing badly.  lol

Seriously though, I think your closeups would look much better than many of ours no matter how you have slipped.    :)
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Post by: Cubs on April 28, 2020, 07:44:44 PM
Okay, now this fella really is a labour of love and another one of my own. He's a Nick Lund Chronicle Orc Wolf Rider, back in the days when Orcs rode wolves and Goblins rode boars (well, Runequest Trollkin rode tuskers, but it's much the same). He was my only wolf rider back in the day and died ingloriously in every battle he ever foolishly fought in without causing a single casualty to my reckoning - once being brought down by 3 Dwarf cannon crew who threw stones at him (S1) as he charged in to combat. That was a low point.

The model was a pig to paint in fairness, with horrible vintage casting causing lumps of miscast metal all over the place, the odd Nick Lund details cropping up unexpectedly, the deep deep eye sockets on the Orc and the deep fur texture on the wolf. I took ages to get the colouring on the wolf just right, with lots of repainting and washes to get the final effect. I'm not a fan of the odd snouts the Chronicle wolves seem to have, but actually it's painted up fairly well and now that it's all done they're a handsome enough couple. I may leave him on his own for a while as a homage to his past service.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/Qorte6dncSXN/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/Yveay5ZiCRAi/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/t9BD7QxGoZNx/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/XzkqRcp5jpS6/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: Severian on April 28, 2020, 07:54:04 PM
Fantastic work as always. Marvellous colours on the wolf!
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Post by: Hobgoblin on April 28, 2020, 07:55:58 PM
He's splendid! Tremendous work on rider and mount alike.

These are still the best wolfriders ever made, I reckon - for all their anatomical anomalies and general lumpeness. For all that their snouts are a bit odd, the wolves just 'read' right to me: still broadly wolf-shaped but big enough to be terrifying.

The riders are oddly intermediate between the small Chronicle orcs and the later, bigger ones. But they're really menacing. Actually, I think they're probably the best miniatures around for Runequest Tusk Riders (something I've been puzzling over lately) - but it would be the purest heresy to mount them on boars!
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Post by: Grumpy Gnome on April 29, 2020, 03:47:47 AM
Magnificent work on both the rider and the wolf.
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Post by: Elk101 on April 29, 2020, 07:47:25 AM
That really does look excellent, well worth the effort.
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Post by: James Morris on April 29, 2020, 07:53:51 AM
I think this is your best yet.  The life youíve got into the wolfís face is unnerving.
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Post by: Citizen Sade on April 29, 2020, 08:28:22 AM
Theyíre not to everyoneís taste, but Iíve always loved Nick Lundís Orcs and Hobgoblins anyway and your painting really brings this one to life. They might be rough and ready but they always look like they mean business. Anyway, top daubing 👍
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Post by: Cubs on April 29, 2020, 11:43:03 AM
Thanks guys, very kind. It wasn't until the matt varnish went on that the fur on the wolf looked okay! Up to that points, he looked too shiny and with me holding the model during painting, it got smoothed over in places and the paint was wearing off. I had to add more dark grey before spraying.

I think this is your best yet.  The life youíve got into the wolfís face is unnerving.

Funny how just that small area of the wolf's face kind of dominates the whole thing by drawing the eye straight away? The Orc's face is pretty much obscured and the natural brown shades throughout forced me to get something eye-popping somewhere. I wanted the mouth to look very red, with a glistening tongue and I'm happy how it's worked out.
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Post by: Thew1 on April 29, 2020, 12:34:51 PM
Amazing, the wolf looks like it's actually salivating
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Post by: Cubs on April 29, 2020, 06:59:32 PM
Amazing, the wolf looks like it's actually salivating

Just little spots of pure white, to make it looks glistening. Effective innit? Like most everything else I do, I nicked it off someone else's hard work.

I have to say, I have new respect for anyone who paints wolves (or anything else I guess) in their natural multi-shaded hue. It's bloody time consuming and frustrating trying to get exactly the look you're trying to copy.
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Post by: Swordisdrawn on April 29, 2020, 06:59:39 PM
Superb. The wolfs pelt looks so realistic!
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Post by: thebinmann on May 01, 2020, 03:58:22 PM
That wolf is amazing, what to paint mine? Different rider though....
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Post by: Cubs on May 01, 2020, 05:18:17 PM
That wolf is amazing, what to paint mine? Different rider though....

Hell no! Not after what I went through.  o_o o_o
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Post by: thebinmann on May 04, 2020, 06:27:10 AM
Oh come on, you know hpw it's done now... I have four fresh from the 1980s and a "lone wolf" with n rider covered in a cm of undercoat....
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Post by: Bloggard on May 04, 2020, 09:55:05 AM
incredible job on the chronicle wolf and rider.

I have such 'fond' (?) memories of that range - and buying a large number of such figures from mr. Lund at a games day (was gonna do the battle of five armies iirc) - but when I see the few that are still available new these  days, can't work up much enthusiasm.

just shows what a gifted painter can bring out.
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Post by: thebinmann on May 08, 2020, 02:11:02 PM
(http://www.solegends.com/chron/n15wolfriders/n15wolfridersc3-02.jpg)

I have Mangle and Orc Carrier - which I believe is that same as yours in the end. But, Dwarf Annilator is def the best name, with ugly....

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Post by: Cubs on May 08, 2020, 03:01:44 PM
It's either Orc Carrier or Longtooth, they're very similar.
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Post by: thebinmann on May 08, 2020, 04:30:36 PM
It's all in the pummel/swell/horn thingy...
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Post by: Cubs on May 08, 2020, 04:50:43 PM
It's all in the pummel/swell/horn thingy...

Ah yes, I see it!
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Post by: Doom Beard 78 on May 10, 2020, 09:42:31 AM
Fantastic paintwork- these look amazing
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Post by: Cubs on May 10, 2020, 10:29:12 AM
I badgered Richard Orclord Hale to let me paint some of the McDeath clansmen, since I'd done the rest of the range and all. Yeesh, be careful what you wish for! Painting tartan is a ball-ache and very time consuming, but it's really just geometric repetition - I take it slow, keep the brush and the paint thin and try to keep the lines straight!

(https://myalbum.com/photo/PHPPM8gAWTac/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/jFfHENQjxU45/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/8LWAQWEH2ChW/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/EQE8mazwwcMs/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/2YuByTLZGy6H/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/TqRyABxSE7RG/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/uiFgWRMLw4Q3/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/d9cJuSMSHweN/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/hk6UHsJEXaoB/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/dhARqbqwdguY/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/CWjJJ3WKffEv/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/NmT6MQ4zmA8H/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/na9gTzhS2drS/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: Severian on May 10, 2020, 11:24:21 AM
Cripes, those are well done. Tartantastic!
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Post by: Hobgoblin on May 10, 2020, 03:43:47 PM
Braw and bricht!

Amazing faces on those - the bottle-wielder in particular.
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Post by: Bloggard on May 10, 2020, 04:09:54 PM
amazing - particularly the last fellow with the yellow-y tartan.
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Post by: nicknorthstar on May 10, 2020, 05:24:38 PM
Brilliant work Paul, really good.

I think I've got the McDeath box set somewhere, no figures from it though.
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Post by: Atheling on May 10, 2020, 05:52:04 PM
Brilliantly executed Cubs  :-* :-* :-*

I have to say, I think I've met all four of those gentlemen in my time when I was living up in Edinburgh! No offence to any of mu Scottish chums- just a wee but of a lark :)
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Post by: Tactalvanic on May 10, 2020, 08:57:22 PM
amazing faces? Tartan?

Even their socks!

Socks!

Always great to see what you done sir
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Post by: Swordisdrawn on May 11, 2020, 04:27:44 AM
The tartan is superb! Excellent. Bless you must have been a bit boss eyed after painting these clansmen.
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Post by: **GS** on May 11, 2020, 05:20:16 AM
pure excellence!
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Post by: Cubs on May 11, 2020, 03:49:28 PM
Thanks peeps, like I say, tartan isn't so bad if you plan what you're going to do and take it slow, but it's tough on the eyes and is slooooow.

There's a bit of conversion going on now, just for fun. I don't normally like converting old classic models, but when you've got a couple of dozen of them and they're all the same Ö I say they're fair game.

These are the Harboth's Regiment of Renown Orcs and I wanted a little bit of variety. The arms have been cut off at the shoulder and the weapon (the 'dwarf tickler', forerunner of the choppa) cut off the ankle, with varying degrees of collateral damage. The repositions aren't overly natural, but I wanted the raised arms to add a bit of height to the unit when assembled, because the rest will be all hunched over. A Greenstuff/Milliput blend has been used to plug the gaps and reconstruct where necessary. For the third figure (a variant carrying a polearm) the blade was removed from his weapon and a plasticard replacement was carved just for him - something that actually resembles the 'dwarf tickler' from the illustration in the fluff for Harboth's regiment.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/jfyzRqSwCMmM/1k0.jpg)

 
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Post by: Shahbahraz on May 11, 2020, 07:34:16 PM
Those Tartans are spectacularly good. Especially the colour choices. All too often people make the colours too garish, and the patterns too simplistic. The yellow one is especially good. I've copied the pictures as inspiration for some Jacobites I have on the workbench.
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Post by: Cubs on May 11, 2020, 08:27:30 PM
Those Tartans are spectacularly good. Especially the colour choices. All too often people make the colours too garish, and the patterns too simplistic.

Yeah, I looked through tartan patterns and chose ones that I thought were easily achievable and looked effective. Sometimes the addition of a little red line made it pop, sometimes it made it too messy. I used black ink to crisp up the edges of the colour bands as well, which I think helps. Getting that balance isn't easy. The green one disappears a bit with the black squares and green bands, but I did want that one to be more muted.
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Post by: Hobgoblin on May 11, 2020, 08:46:40 PM
There's a bit of conversion going on now, just for fun. I don't normally like converting old classic models, but when you've got a couple of dozen of them and they're all the same Ö I say they're fair game.

I used to feel the same - to the extent that my teenage greenstuff-converted heads are all outsized so that they could be peeled off by some future restorer! But now I think that the end product is all that matters. These look really good - and the big dwarf-tickler 'reads' better than the original glaive, which has its head attached so that the cutting edge is too far back, I think. It's a rare thing to improve on the Perrys ...

Are you going to alter any of the faces? I recall John Blanche discussed and illustrated adding a thick head of hair to the polearm variant in a Citadel journal ...
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Post by: Cubs on May 11, 2020, 08:56:29 PM
Are you going to alter any of the faces? I recall John Blanche discussed and illustrated adding a thick head of hair to the polearm variant in a Citadel journal ...

My teenage self added a pipe cleaner mohawk to a couple of them, but now I can't bring myself to do it! I was considering cutting the head off and repositioning it for an open-mouthed yell, but in the end decided it was too much hassle and would risk me turning it into a hot mess.
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Post by: Blackwolf on May 11, 2020, 09:08:40 PM
Bit late; those highlanders are brilliant  :-*
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Post by: twrchtrwyth on May 11, 2020, 10:05:41 PM
Gorgeous highlanders.
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Post by: gamer Mac on May 11, 2020, 10:49:27 PM
Stunning paint work :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Post by: syrinx0 on May 12, 2020, 12:37:09 AM
Wow. The highlanders are "Tartantastic" indeed.
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Post by: hubbabubba on May 12, 2020, 07:47:49 AM
Gorgeous :-*
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Post by: trev on May 12, 2020, 11:47:16 AM
Amazing stuff Cubs!  :o  I really like your painting style.  Loving the RQ miniatures and all the varied skin tones on those old school Orcs.  That Chronicle wolf.  Wow!
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Post by: Nicklas P on May 13, 2020, 09:45:36 PM
Love checking in on this thread. Gorgeous work, Paul.
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Post by: Cubs on May 26, 2020, 03:36:55 PM
A couple more mins from the 80's now. First is Ugbash Facesplitter, one of the White Dwarf Personalities, apparently a half-orc. He's taken from a single ink illustration from what I can tell. The other guy is a knight or paladin to be used as an alternate Harkness Knight for McDeath. He carries what appears to be an accordion for some reason. Who am I to judge?

(https://myalbum.com/photo/4w4a8QSBVDXJ/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/Z3uDFrH6qBJf/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/28mF24AHXHt8/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/5Y4yUo9QFLZB/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: Hobgoblin on May 26, 2020, 04:15:11 PM
Brilliant on both - and you manage to make that huge sword look almost feasible! Ugbash is, ahem, quite a beauty when he's given treatment like this!
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Post by: Elk101 on May 26, 2020, 09:26:58 PM
I've got that second figure, which I'm now never going to paint. The painting on that face is just amazing.
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Post by: clanmac on May 26, 2020, 09:57:09 PM
These just get better and better.
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Post by: Severian on May 27, 2020, 07:06:29 AM
Marvellous work.

I wonder what the accordion was about. But, as you say, why not?
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Post by: Bloggard on May 27, 2020, 10:07:03 AM
my goodness - your faces! amazing.
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Post by: Bearwoodman on May 27, 2020, 01:33:28 PM
That face looks photo-shopped! See how he only shows it from one angle! Clearly fake!
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Post by: Bloggard on May 27, 2020, 01:57:55 PM
of course it's invidious to single out the faces ... the whole style is just wonderful. Freehand on that shield too ...
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Post by: Cubs on May 27, 2020, 02:39:51 PM
Bwhahaha! You'll never prove a thing!

What pisses me off is that the paintjob all looks silky smooth to my aged eyes and then I take the close-up photo and it looks Ö 'impressionist'.

Faces are my thing - I always try to concentrate on them where possible (especially the eyes) because that's where the life comes from in the model. I paint the eyes in straight after the face has its dark base coat. That way I can tidy them up, get them nice and narrow, shape them and line up the pupils without worrying I'm going to spoil the skin already painted. I also like to put little bags under the eyes. It just seems to add something.
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Post by: syrinx0 on May 27, 2020, 11:39:16 PM
The shield and the face on the Knight are fantastic.   I would say that face is more realistic than impressionistic.   The accordion must be some strange but powerful artifact he can't live without.
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Post by: GumbaFish on May 31, 2020, 06:27:23 PM
Lovely painting throughout this entire thread of miniatures I've mostly never seen before. I love the freehand work on shields and some of the orc skins in particular.
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Post by: Melnibonean on June 18, 2020, 11:19:25 PM
Great to see the Grombrindal figure. I had this way, way back and I think a friend still has it stashed away in a box in his garage.
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Post by: Cubs on June 19, 2020, 08:26:36 AM
Great to see the Grombrindal figure. I had this way, way back and I think a friend still has it stashed away in a box in his garage.

And still the best! It's good for sculptors to push the boundaries of poses and subjects, to show dynamism and use the potential of the material they're working with. But for me, less is so much more. Plenty of modern sculptors do this with lovely understated models, realistic proportions and natural poses. Citadel used to do this, but now rarely do so.
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Post by: Cubs on July 25, 2020, 04:43:24 PM
Some more club-armed old Citadels for use as McDeath Maltmen from the brewery.

The 'liquid in bottle' effect I'll be honest, I Googled a 'How To' video. Came out nice in the end, although someone's pay cheque may be docked to reflect too much sampling of the wares.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/DmesYxbEPduz/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/6jV9xohE7HSv/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/J2r3cfWiTwwn/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/Htgjx65q7zBk/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/FdypTDYFBMic/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: Lost Egg on July 25, 2020, 05:04:21 PM
They look great, shabby and characterful.
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Post by: Severian on July 25, 2020, 07:32:10 PM
Outstanding work. The liquid in the bottle is really marvellously done.
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Post by: Elk101 on July 25, 2020, 09:27:58 PM
Bloody lovely Cubs.
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Post by: Grumpy Gnome on July 25, 2020, 10:43:23 PM
Great sculpts, painted brilliantly!
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Post by: Jacksarge on July 26, 2020, 01:32:25 AM
Bloomin' Brilliant Brushwork! The basing is very cool too  :)
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Post by: Ragnar on July 26, 2020, 02:50:50 AM
Fantastic work Cubs.
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Post by: Hobgoblin on July 26, 2020, 09:49:17 AM
Superb! That fellow in the blue sash is a bit of a monster!
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Post by: Cubs on July 26, 2020, 10:01:58 AM
There is a fair bit of size difference going on there, and only a couple of years between them. The wee fella with the bottle is pre-slotta (an old FS series brought forward into the C series) so probably in 'true' 25mm scale, with the others likely being the oversized 25mm or 28mm. It works nicely with these guys, being a rag-tag bunch anyway. The club-armed models used for the Maltmen are almost all taken from the C-series 'civilians', including the Citadel militia, townsfolk, travelling players, villagers, etc.. and lovely mins they are too.
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Post by: Citizen Sade on July 26, 2020, 10:33:47 AM
Lovely work, as always. There is a pretty noticeable size difference, but then youíre mixing typically dinky Perryís with chunky Copplestone.
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Post by: Red Orc on July 26, 2020, 11:15:55 AM
Awesome paintwork. Really, stunning.

Now, I must either never consult this thread again, or I must sell half my mini collection (the Black Mountain Boys, the Citadel Personalities and whatnot) because the ones I have in boxes in my loft aren't even a tenth as nice as these, and the reason must be that you are a great painter and I'm an absolute muppet.
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Post by: gamer Mac on July 26, 2020, 01:52:23 PM
The figures are great but that bottle steals the show :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Post by: Cubs on November 11, 2020, 12:11:00 PM
More oldies (and another damn bottle) off the painting desk. 5 scruffy types armed with clubs/cudgels/mallets as McDeath Maltmen and 2 old Citadel Thieves. I didn't realise the thieves have the same basic body template until I started painting them ... very clever. I love the character and life in the faces of these old models.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/hyegKs4NLRuP/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/eeNEY4ZBP7FL/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/axs7rtD4XRFp/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/2mzLv5CZK7HC/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/X2HKnowz2twa/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/oUfkroWJh7Ds/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: Roo on November 11, 2020, 12:39:42 PM
😳😳😳.  WOW incredible brushwork but that bottle...
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Post by: Severian on November 11, 2020, 12:40:20 PM
Lovely stuff. Yes, bags of character in those faces. But the bottle is the show stealer...
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Post by: Hawkeye on November 11, 2020, 12:46:46 PM
Excellent! I love the plaid, and the way you capture/create the overall scruffiness. And as always, your basing is fantastic.
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Post by: Grumpy Gnome on November 11, 2020, 01:10:05 PM
Brilliant work, as usual!
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Post by: Jack Hooligan on November 11, 2020, 01:17:59 PM
The brush work here is fantastic! Leagues beyond anything I can pull off. But what do you use for the bases? It looks like several different tuft types? Some looks like peat moss or something. Whatís that from?

Cheers!
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Post by: Swordisdrawn on November 11, 2020, 01:27:17 PM
Totally brill. The faces are excellent!
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Post by: gamer Mac on November 11, 2020, 01:29:00 PM
Cracking job :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Some outstanding details
the faces are amazing but that bottle looks real :o :o :o
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Post by: OSHIROmodels on November 11, 2020, 01:41:22 PM
Cracking  8)
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Post by: Cubs on November 11, 2020, 01:57:15 PM
Thanks guys, they are lots of fun to do, but this batch was odd in that halfway through I really felt disappointed with them and wasn't feeling it. Odd how that sometimes happens. By the end I was happy with them, it's just that middle phase seemed to take forever and I wasn't happy with them.

But what do you use for the bases? It looks like several different tuft types? Some looks like peat moss or something. Whatís that from?

Yeah, just different tufts and my homemade moss tufts. I buy bags of 1mm flock in bulk, blend them to get the shade I want (literally, green, brown, yellow and black) and then use a static grass applicator to make little fuzzy moss tufts. All the commercial moss tufts I've seen use 2mm flock which is longer than I want.
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Post by: syrinx0 on November 12, 2020, 03:12:29 PM
Wonderful realistic paint jobs on all of them.  I had never seen these before.  Who sculpted them?
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Post by: Bearwoodman on November 12, 2020, 03:43:05 PM
 So good!  :-*
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Post by: Cubs on November 12, 2020, 06:06:31 PM
Wonderful realistic paint jobs on all of them.  I had never seen these before.  Who sculpted them?

Honestly don't know, but I'm going to guess one (or both) of the Perry's. There's something about the faces that says 'Perry' to me.
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Post by: thebinmann on November 14, 2020, 03:20:38 PM
Great work

(http://www.solegends.com/citc/c004thieves/c04thieves-c3p19-01.jpg)

Some are Perry

The others could be, with some Aly mixed in:

http://www.solegends.com/citc46/198710c46militia/index.htm


Cheers
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Post by: Cubs on November 17, 2020, 12:32:34 PM
  Something for the weekend, sir? These days the best I can hope for is an indulgent painting side-project for myself. This weekend it was a start on my Runequest 'Humanoid Adventurers' Boxed Sets #1. I always love the fact that they're real adventurers, laden down with all sorts of bags and bundles, although it does increase painting time a wee bit. Here we have a well-heeled Daka Fal (Ancestor Worship) adventurer with 'Mankind' rune on his shield, an angry Storm Bull (Chaos Killer) adventurer with 'Beast' rune on his shield and a chilly looking Eiritha (Mother of Herds) adventuress who doesn't have a shield, but who would have had a 'Fertility' rune if she did. But she didn't. So she doesn't.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/SMxiSf3hiHcW/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/YfsoeBKJMKoQ/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/oUdFVJYA8vQM/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/65QSAncmQqUX/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/sU4tVwxHyQcp/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/q2psRDWyQQg4/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/eYXHrAMiPRez/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/HcCRgCsApRzS/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/qwHZoJUS6rmQ/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: Hobgoblin on November 17, 2020, 12:54:23 PM
Superb! The Storm Bull chap's got a proper "bottler's face" - and the startled look of the Eritha worshipper makes me think she's just spotted a broo among the herds!

That beast-rune shield is amazing.
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Post by: Lost Egg on November 17, 2020, 01:19:32 PM
Lovely work sir, I can easily see them walking through me screen to go adventuring!
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Post by: Cubs on November 17, 2020, 03:30:16 PM
  Thanks guys. In case anyone's wondering, yes that is a wire spear. A lot of the Runequest line have very slender spears, which look lovely but rarely survive the years. The hand was drilled (and reconstructed when the fingers and thumb fell off!), the sections where it touched the body were snipped off and a nice new spear put in place.

 
That beast-rune shield is amazing.

The rune took a little while, but it was just a case of going slow with a thin brush and thin paint.
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Post by: Severian on November 17, 2020, 04:03:12 PM
Fantastic work on these. It's such a great range of figures, and a real treat to see them painted so well. And the runes are outstandingly done.
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Post by: JollyBob on November 17, 2020, 04:05:23 PM
Magnificent as always.

I agree the adventurer's kit really makes the figures when done properly like this, but so many sculptors suffer from kitchensinkitis when it comes to a figure's equipment!
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Post by: gamer Mac on November 17, 2020, 05:22:02 PM
Cracking work :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Post by: syrinx0 on November 18, 2020, 02:24:09 AM
For unknown reasons no one I gamed with growing up played Runequest.  Nice figures with fantastic paint jobs.
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Post by: Cubs on December 12, 2020, 01:05:26 PM
Some more Runequest adventurers from the 'Runequest Boxed Set #1: Humanoid Adventurers'.

First is the Waha adventurer. He should have been with the last batch, but his axe was broken and needed to be rebuilt. The 'horns' of the axe have been rebuilt with greenstuff and the hatf is brass wire covered in greenstuff and then textured. Waha is a cult of nomads (which makes you wonder why he has a tower design on his shield!), so I've painted him in natural colours and animal hides.

Second is the Humankt adventurer. Humankt is an honourable warrior cult of war and death, so his shield shows the 'truth' rune associated with the cult and his colour scheme is based around red and black.

Third is the Seven Mothers adventurer. Seven Mothers is a moon cult, defenders of the Lunar Empire. As such his shield (and helmet) display the moon rune prominently and his colour scheme shows blues, blacks and dark greys.


(https://myalbum.com/photo/w7ePPNFcwpQs/1k0.jpg)
(https://myalbum.com/photo/GNRzkmnKqFsv/1k0.jpg)
(https://myalbum.com/photo/inghjk3PQMj9/1k0.jpg)


(https://myalbum.com/photo/ARvYTrtkwZ4a/1k0.jpg)
(https://myalbum.com/photo/FUF5NLeh7M3j/1k0.jpg)
(https://myalbum.com/photo/whNiCVHj7b4G/1k0.jpg)


(https://myalbum.com/photo/ypL66kVnWawW/1k0.jpg)
(https://myalbum.com/photo/S83d5vmMTYtz/1k0.jpg)
(https://myalbum.com/photo/55SiJLvSbq8D/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: Hobgoblin on December 12, 2020, 01:48:38 PM
Amazing! The runes on the shields are superbly done - and the Seven Mothers guy, who I always thought of as a slightly bland figure compared with the others, has come to life really well. Bravo!
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Post by: Grumpy Gnome on December 12, 2020, 03:13:18 PM
Great work mate!
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Post by: OSHIROmodels on December 12, 2020, 03:30:38 PM
Sublime  8)
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Post by: Cubs on December 12, 2020, 05:06:30 PM
Thanks dyoods, very kind. I've just been reliably informed that what was labelled as the Waha adventurer in the boxed set, was in fact the Pavis adventurer, and vice-versa. Bugger. To be honest, I suspected it might be the case, because of their respective shield designs, but I doubted myself. Now I'll have to repaint it (pain in the arse, although I wasn't over-happy with it if I'm honest) or buy a replacement and repaint that (meh ... more money and more work).
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Post by: The Dozing Dragon on December 12, 2020, 09:07:22 PM
Wonderful!
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Post by: Timotl on December 12, 2020, 09:28:21 PM
Perfect marriage of characterful sculpts and masterful painting. One of the best threads on here.
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Post by: Blackwolf on December 12, 2020, 09:56:19 PM
Lovely painting on some of my favourite miniatures  :)
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Post by: gamer Mac on December 12, 2020, 11:24:01 PM
Stunning paint jobs  :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
love the weapons and the shields are amazing
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Post by: Severian on December 13, 2020, 01:07:37 AM
Excellent work on these.
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Post by: Captain Blood on December 13, 2020, 01:51:44 AM
Ah, I had the last two of those. Not the first one though - must have been in a different set.
I only shipped them on on eBay a couple of years back, having sat in a box for 30 years  ::)

Great work on those shields  :-*
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Post by: syrinx0 on December 13, 2020, 07:39:34 AM
Lovely work.
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Post by: Cubs on December 13, 2020, 10:15:54 AM
Ah, I had the last two of those. Not the first one though - must have been in a different set.
I only shipped them on on eBay a couple of years back, having sat in a box for 30 years  ::)

You filthy filthy liar! No, they're all from the first 'Humanoid Adventurers' (I wonder why it wasn't just 'human'?) Boxed Set #1, but the first one often has a broken axe these days.
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Post by: Cubs on December 13, 2020, 10:20:46 AM
Thank you all. They are lots of fun to paint, but as with all the pre-slotta stuff, they need a bit more clean-up than modern figures to get rid of casting crap, and you often get some odd lumps in 'dead space'. The trade off is the wonderfully characterful sculpting. I really do think sculptors (or maybe just them darn Perry boys) were way ahead of the general standard of our painting back then and a lot of their subtlety was never brought to life. These days we can all improve our painting with any number of tips online and inspirational pics to help us old dogs learn new tricks.
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Post by: DeafNala on December 13, 2020, 12:45:44 PM
That is quite an array of WONDERFUL old treasures, all BEAUTIFULLY painted & based. VERY WELL DONE!
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Post by: Captain Blood on December 13, 2020, 02:53:03 PM
You filthy filthy liar! No, they're all from the first 'Humanoid Adventurers' (I wonder why it wasn't just 'human'?) Boxed Set #1, but the first one often has a broken axe these days.

lol screw U
Well, thatís a mystery...
It was a purple and pink box IIRC, and had 10 figures in it, in a grey sponge tray... but that first one with the axe was definitely not one of them... To be fair, Iím pretty sure I picked them up in a swap (this was like, the best part of 40 years ago  ::)) so I guess whoever I got them from could have substituted a figure or two...

Here are a few of them before I sold them on a couple of years back... painted in Humbrol enamels by my teenage self. Isnít age wonderful?  ::)
As you see, there was a figure with an axe - but he had horns on his helmet. Not the same as yours...
Also it definitely included the swordsman with the shield on his back in the Corinithian helmet. Donít know what became of him...
Hmmm. Now Iím intrigued  lol

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/12/577_02_03_13_5_54_01_0.jpg)

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Post by: Cubs on December 13, 2020, 02:54:49 PM
Right, okay, here's the one incorrectly labelled as a Waha adventurer (a plains nomad cult), repainted as a Pavis adventurer (a city, not a cult). On second inspection, none of the adventurers in the boxed set have a design that fits with Waha, so I'll just swap round the Waha and Pavis models (as labelled on the box) and smooth out the rune on the Pavis guy's shield (which doesn't fit with either Pavis or Waha, so Jehovah only knows what was going on in the studio back in the day). Back to this fella though, just a quick repaint on the tunic, to make it less rustic and more refined looking (although still mucky ... he is an adventurer after all) and ditto with the shield. The metalwork was brightened up and polished as well and his crest brightened up to match the tunic. I prefer him this way to be honest.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/E52DdKEbQ3tF/1k0.jpg)
(https://myalbum.com/photo/6evMXziy9YJX/1k0.jpg)
(https://myalbum.com/photo/KToeXRNpj856/1k0.jpg)

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Post by: Cubs on December 13, 2020, 03:00:15 PM
Here are a few of them before I sold them on a couple of years back...

That guy on the left shouldn't be there, he's not in the boxed set, which might explain matters.

Dude with the horns is a Storm Bull adventurer (anti-Chaos berserkers, see earlier on in this thread for him), the girl is Chalana Arroy (healing), the big fella with club is Issaries (trade and commerce), the guy on the end with scimitar is Seven Mothers (lunar cult, as seen in this batch). The original boxed set had the picture of the bikini-clad girl with a big bronze shield fighting a big lizardman on the front.

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Post by: Mister Frau Blucher on December 13, 2020, 03:04:11 PM
That is a fantastic paint job, as always, Cubs! love the darks, it makes the white tunic jump.
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Post by: Cultist of Sooty on December 13, 2020, 11:02:11 PM
Right, okay, here's the one incorrectly labelled as a Waha adventurer (a plains nomad cult), repainted as a Pavis adventurer (a city, not a cult).
Glorantha nerdery incoming! (Nerdery, on a gaming forum, who could have predicted that?  :) )

Pavis is both a city and a cult. Pavis, who is now worshipped as a god, founded the city. There is a ziggurat temple to him in New Pavis, which would make a nice shield image, and an older temple in the Big Rubble. I suppose the symbol that adventurer is using depicts one of the defensive towers in the city walls.

Pavis is primarily associated with the Man rune, though his cult also displays Earth, Harmony, and Stasis runes.

I love these old RQ miniatures. I never owned any myself as they went out of production around the time I first got interested. You've done a cracking job on them, I must say.
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Post by: Cubs on December 14, 2020, 09:07:41 AM
Pavis is both a city and a cult.

Ay carumba, no wonder I used to get so confused with it all.
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Post by: Elk101 on December 14, 2020, 01:44:00 PM
Belting work Cubs!
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Post by: Swordisdrawn on December 16, 2020, 07:15:03 PM
Excellent painting
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Post by: thebinmann on December 16, 2020, 08:06:24 PM
Love the minis!

Glorantha nerdery incoming! (Nerdery, on a gaming forum, who could have predicted that?  :) )

Pavis is both a city and a cult. Pavis, who is now worshipped as a god, founded the city. There is a ziggurat temple to him in New Pavis, which would make a nice shield image, and an older temple in the Big Rubble. I suppose the symbol that adventurer is using depicts one of the defensive towers in the city walls.

Pavis is primarily associated with the Man rune, though his cult also displays Earth, Harmony, and Stasis runes.

I love these old RQ miniatures. I never owned any myself as they went out of production around the time I first got interested. You've done a cracking job on them, I must say.

Um, perhaps we crossed paths at Convulsion...
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Post by: Cubs on January 12, 2021, 02:45:54 PM
  A couple more lads from the Runequest Adventurers (#1) Boxed Set.

  First fella (with axe) is mislabelled as Pavis (city cult) on the box (probably a mix-up between the Pavis and Waha adventurers) but he had the wrong shield design so I've done him as Waha (plains nomad). I've added a slight dome to the shield and painted it as bronze covered in animal hide with a Death Rune branded onto it, (as befits a plains nomad type) and leather vambraces.

  Second fella is the Yelmalio (sun and sky) adventurer. I've done him in bright colours with a white cuirass (painted bronze or linen, you takes your choice) and sun design, with matching shield.

  Only two more to go until this boxed set is complete!

(https://myalbum.com/photo/V5Wx4dzFGzMH/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/WxZGS8ap7ofZ/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/b9Qq2shDQ3ZH/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/NXQhueTnAt7y/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/R6CE9arSNELu/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: Hobgoblin on January 12, 2021, 02:59:20 PM
Stunning! I remember the Yelmalio guy from the days of yore, but the axe-wielding chap had quite escaped my memory - possibly because he looked fairly unassuming in the lead: no longer!

Do you have other Runequest stuff up your sleeve after this box is done? Trolls? Broo? Dragonewts?
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Post by: Cubs on January 12, 2021, 06:03:18 PM
Do you have other Runequest stuff up your sleeve after this box is done? Trolls? Broo? Dragonewts?

There's the second boxed set, Humanoid Adventurers (with a couple of trolls, duck, morocanth, baboon and dwarf as well as a couple of other humans) and then the Trolls boxed set.

I forgot to say, I'm replacing the spears and slimmer weapons where necessary with wire ones. Even the original spears were often awful, without any sort of spearhead, just thin sticks in the hand. Runequest was quite big on long spears both in the rules and on the mins.
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Post by: Little Odo on January 12, 2021, 06:40:25 PM
Lovely work again there Cubs. You are certainly doing these miniatures full justice with your fantastic paintjobs  :-*
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Post by: Duff on January 12, 2021, 06:44:00 PM
Fantastic work Cubs, you're inspiring me to paint the olds RQ figures I have, at least the ones that are still in serviceable condition.
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Post by: Melnibonean on January 12, 2021, 10:02:18 PM
It's been a while since I last looked in on this thread and it's great to see these old runequest figures. I use to have this set and I remember how good the figures were and they still look fantastic by today's standards.
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Post by: Cubs on January 13, 2021, 11:07:19 PM
Thanks dyoods, I do love the old models you know. No rose-tinted specs here, there are some awful models from that time and even the good ones were too often poorly cast. But the character, the understated dynamics, the proportions just appeal to me so much more than most modern ranges.

When I've finished this boxed set I might take a short break from the Runequest stuff and hit some of the my other Citadel goodies in the the pile.
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Post by: Cubs on January 30, 2021, 10:28:58 AM
So my brother and I don't have a lot of spare cash and sometimes we just exchange some of the stuff gathering dust on our respective shelves instead of buying presents for Christmas and birthdays.

This Christmas MrsCub bought me the old Talisman 2nd Edition and we had a game. I told my brother about this and he said he had a couple of old Talisman figures he'd send me as a late present.

Today this parcel came through the post. Holy crap. So ... I guess that's this year's Oldhammer project sorted then!

(https://myalbum.com/photo/AFjNTzu9hFUT/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: Citizen Sade on January 30, 2021, 10:32:03 AM
Nice score. You have a very generous brother. I hate to think what youíd have to shell out to buy that little lot.
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Post by: McYellowbelly on January 30, 2021, 11:15:30 AM
Superb!
Love most of the Talisman figures, very 80s GW.
Look forward to seeing what you do with them
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Post by: Roo on January 30, 2021, 11:17:47 AM
Cannot wait to see these folks coloured in by your wonderful brush skills;  2021 just got a whole lot better!  Send your Bro a big LAF hug!
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Post by: hubbabubba on February 06, 2021, 12:16:51 PM
Amazing body of work in this thread, they all look like the kind of character's we'd have seen if Velasquez had painted fantasy.

A pleasure to come back to again and again.

Keep them coming.
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Post by: sir_shvantselot on February 06, 2021, 02:03:45 PM
Very bright painting!
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Post by: Cubs on February 18, 2021, 02:00:46 PM
Svenn very kindly 'sold' me 3 Runequest Broo to me for little more than postage (I was only trying to buy the one, and that was cheap, but he very generously lobbed in a couple of bonus Broo in the parcel). I love the generosity of spirit you find on this forum.

Anyhoo, I've always vowed never to start collecting Broo because that's a very expensive rabbit hole to fall down, but I couldn't resist. Here's the wee fella who has kicked it all off.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/Ha2XHnY7MTXB/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/j8cXbHdxbd25/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/CqqqCHMaikFi/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: Hobgoblin on February 18, 2021, 02:33:49 PM
He's terrific! Great colours - and what a face!
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Post by: Tactalvanic on February 18, 2021, 02:54:42 PM
Gorgeous as every PJ you do.

So you have two more to do?

Then squad, skirmish or full on themed army?  :D

I can say that i don't need to bother getting any now, as yours is so much better than I could do, so I guess that's something I am immune to for a change!
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Post by: Cubs on February 18, 2021, 04:04:58 PM
So you have two more to do?

Then squad, skirmish or full on themed army?  :D

Yeah, there are two unicorn-headed Broo, which will no doubt get coloured in some time. The Runequest goodies are there purely for lookin' at, with not even the excuse of a pie-in-the-sky gaming force. The other Citadel goodies I'm painting are for my (purely theoretical I'm sure) Malal warband. Malal is the mysterious 5th Chaos God (who I first read about in the Citadel Journal Kaleb Daark comic strip) whose only purpose seems to fight the other Chaos factions. So I have a collection of vintage Citadel Orcs, Half Orcs, Hobgoblins, Chaos Warriors and eebly Humans who sport the black and white badge of Malal and who are potentially all part of the same Chaos/Anti-Chaos warband.
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Post by: Donpimpom on February 18, 2021, 04:12:15 PM
... he said he had a couple of old Talisman figures he'd send me as a late present.
If that's "a couple" I don't dare to imagine his meaning of "a lot"

Really looking forward to see the paint job you can do on these
Ages ago I got mines already painted and I always debate between keeping them painted or stripping it to paint them again myself, but Iīm afraid they end just enlarging the pile of unpainted lead
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Post by: Svennn on February 18, 2021, 04:16:48 PM
Still in a 35 year old lead pile on Monday and superbly coloured in and on the forum by Thursday  :o

I bet a lot don't realize he is only half the height of a C33 Beastman from a few years later.

Great work which I never doubted and just what he deserved.

Svennn
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Post by: Cubs on February 18, 2021, 04:30:05 PM
Still in a 35 year old lead pile on Monday and superbly coloured in and on the forum by Thursday  :o

I bet a lot don't realize he is only half the height of a C33 Beastman from a few years later.

Great work which I never doubted and just what he deserved.

Svennn

I was excited, I could stop myself! He totally jumped the queue, but then he is Broo, no moral centre. Yeah, his hunched, scuttling pose makes him all the nastier to me and I knew he needed a really disturbing, unnatural paint-job to bring that out.
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Post by: nicknorthstar on February 18, 2021, 07:17:13 PM
Looks splendid.
Your paint work on these figures is fantastic as always, but you're also reminding me how great Runequest was (is). Or at least how great I thought RQ was back in the day. Nostalgia overload.
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Post by: Ranthony on February 18, 2021, 07:22:16 PM
The way you have executed the shading and highlights on the face is incredible.

Really beautiful to look at, thanks for sharing.
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Post by: majorsmith on February 18, 2021, 07:24:04 PM
Fantastic painting as always
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Post by: JollyBob on February 18, 2021, 08:07:48 PM
That is a mad and wonderful figure, and beautifully painted.
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Post by: aircav on February 19, 2021, 12:06:40 AM
Blimey this thread just gets better n better every time you post something else. Amazing stuff  :o 8) :o 8)
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Post by: Muzfish4 on February 19, 2021, 12:29:31 AM
Top stuff - that Broo is a real trip down memory lane.
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Post by: Alan Mercer on February 19, 2021, 09:07:34 AM
This is a great thread and a real trip down memory lane. I think I was still using humbrol gloss enamels and the equivalent of a masonry brush when most of these figures first appeared. Your work is stunning.
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Post by: Storm Wolf on February 19, 2021, 09:16:49 AM
This is a great thread and a real trip down memory lane. I think I was still using humbrol gloss enamels and the equivalent of a masonry brush when most of these figures first appeared. Your work is stunning.

Agree completely, in fact what exactly what was a undercoat?  lol

Stunning and makes very very envious of your superb collection, keep up the good work

Glen
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Post by: McYellowbelly on February 19, 2021, 10:29:37 AM
Superb work, never got into the RQ figures all those years ago.
Kicking myself now, lovely sculpt and stunning paint job
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Post by: Cubs on February 19, 2021, 01:05:34 PM
A quick diversion to tackle the first of the Talisman models - the Troll. I tried to stay pretty close to the picture on his card, but a little snazzier. The base is just plain grass (to match the 'Outer Region' on the playing board), because these models are going to be very much playing pieces, not just display pieces.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/JePFY5SXyE2T/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/gyjHuKSSBj4J/1k0.jpg)

(https://www.talismanisland.com/mini_2troll_card.jpg)
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Post by: McYellowbelly on February 19, 2021, 01:14:00 PM
Superb work, another classic from my teen years!
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Post by: JollyBob on February 23, 2021, 12:50:40 PM
Lovely stuff.  8)

Drawing a knife or scratching his crack...?
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Post by: Hobgoblin on February 23, 2021, 06:10:50 PM
He's terrific! The red eye-sockets are a lovely touch - they somehow ground the green skin in reality.

That model always makes me think of the trolls in Jack Vance's Lyonesse: grumpy and grudging, yet committed to doing a job well (especially cudgelling someone mercilessly).
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Post by: Tactalvanic on February 23, 2021, 06:17:42 PM
Drawing a knife or scratching his crack...?

Both, its a Troll..

But superbly done, "playing piece"... wish my playing pieces came out looking that good  :D
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Post by: Mister Frau Blucher on February 23, 2021, 06:53:16 PM
Wow, lovely work! The soil on the knees is a nice touch!
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Post by: Cubs on February 23, 2021, 11:21:54 PM
Thanks guys, he's a fantastic model (even if he does have an itchy bum) and was a joy to paint. I've got a couple more Talisman guys to do for a game we have planned (my wife, my daughter and I picked our characters in advance to give me time to paint them up!) but first up are a couple more Runequest adventurers to finish off the first boxed set.
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Post by: majorsmith on February 25, 2021, 09:06:27 PM
Excellent! Really love this miniature
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Post by: Cubs on March 21, 2021, 04:15:34 PM
Last two figures from the Runequest 'Humanoid Adventurers' Boxed Set #1: an Issaries (communication and trade) adventurer and a Chalana Arroy (healing) adventurer.

For reasons best known to himself, this big Issaries veteran has decided those little fiddly weapons aren;t for him and has armed himself with a telegraph pole. His shield shows the 'movement' rune.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/a2AJr6mDHhzf/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/o6MvfcuhhWtK/1k0.jpg)

This lightly armed Chalana Arroy healer has clearly decided to go for the minimalist approach, when it comes to armour, weapons, and indeed clothes. I always feel better about adventuring and healing people when my butt cheeks are hanging out.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/vDs9Tp9f7Yxf/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/za34iudFaUr9/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: fred on March 21, 2021, 04:24:04 PM
Great work on some classic figures. Iíve got them stashed away somewhere.
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Post by: Muzfish4 on March 21, 2021, 10:19:33 PM
I always feel better about adventuring and healing people when my butt cheeks are hanging out.

I'm so glad to hear that it's not just me.
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Post by: Cubs on March 21, 2021, 10:59:48 PM
I'm so glad to hear that it's not just me.

Saves on cleaning when something leaps out unexpectedly.
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Post by: JollyBob on March 22, 2021, 10:13:13 AM
"Pants-optional Adventuring" - could be a trend...

Beautiful work. I have that Issaries figure, which I will now never paint, and always thought he had a Hercules kind of vibe.
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Post by: randycarter on March 27, 2021, 10:33:01 AM
 lol
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Post by: Cubs on April 30, 2021, 03:29:34 PM
Of course at this time of year, everyone starts thinking about planning for Halloween, so it only makes sense that for no apparent reason, I've been inundated with commissions for painting witches. Here are some Citadel classic witchy types with suitable accessories.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/8w4ESwaJyi63/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/wVHVUkszV9gB/1k0.jpg)


(https://myalbum.com/photo/ZxvCFj2M6n6B/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/gFMeceUenvjU/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/YH9r9TqiYYvg/1k0.jpg)


(https://myalbum.com/photo/AnQLzNCtQnh5/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/Su4XRH4EMKBM/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/2GLbyfq8BqwF/1k0.jpg)


(https://myalbum.com/photo/Q9ufpV2PZkEd/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/ZaLj9t5jJn3Q/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: Tactalvanic on April 30, 2021, 03:47:57 PM
Damn fine witches, and ooh your tartans

As always wonderful work.
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Post by: Cubs on April 30, 2021, 03:48:28 PM
Plus some more. Fans of the old Griselda stories set in the Runequest world, published in White Dwarf and elsewhere, may be interested in seeing 'Griselda' and 'Wolfhead' from the 'White Dwarf Personalities' boxed set. Also featured here today is the Bryan Ansell character model, Sir Bryan de Llanse, one of a series of fun (if slightly indulgent) models made of the studio staff.

According to the description, Griselda is slight of stature and frame, but athletic and surprisingly strong, with red hair and a pale complexion. She is also very attractive, but for a disconcertingly intense stare which intimidates and makes people uncomfortable. When not out adventuring in 'The Rubble' outside the city of Pavis she normally wears leather clothing and always carries her short sword, with which she is deadly quick.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/YGTopbMorY2U/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/6ypNyy5AzFgW/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/RgSHYpdibyDX/1k0.jpg)


Wolfhead is Griselda's companion (just a companion) and nominal leader of her criminal gang. He is deeply tanned, a grizzled veteran of the rough city streets and 'The Rubble', having survived countless adventures and is reckoned one of the most dangerous fighters in Pavis. Whilst not a full member of any cult, like Griselda he has connections to Orlanth (adventurer), Pavis (city cult) and Lanbril (thief cult) and I have painted the illusion rune on his shield.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/sR9BiDzg2MmN/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/uSrYwBGXmYVd/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/zJ9FW4DYXbQG/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/S3GrcyQDtL3K/1k0.jpg)


Here is Sir Bryan, with his shield painted in the GW colours.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/ST9s8yGXvm7Y/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/94ssPMix8ass/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/3bT8YC5EtYNw/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: bc99 on April 30, 2021, 03:49:42 PM
Yes those tartans! I have no idea how you achieved the overall worn and faded tartan, itís quite amazing.
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Post by: Eliot on April 30, 2021, 03:57:51 PM
Really fantastic painting. Well done.
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Post by: Cubs on April 30, 2021, 03:58:16 PM
Yes those tartans! I have no idea how you achieved the overall worn and faded tartan, itís quite amazing.

Ah now, inks and washes are your friend there. Dull fabrics like wool don't really shine much, so I find putting in highlights is less useful than putting in shade after your pattern goes on. Plus, the shadow then hides the pattern and the light reveals it, just as it would in real life.
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Post by: bc99 on April 30, 2021, 04:25:24 PM
Thanks Cubs, do you dilute the inks and washes with medium? Love this thread.
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Post by: gamer Mac on April 30, 2021, 04:57:06 PM
The faces are great :-* :-* :-*
And that tartan is amazing :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Post by: Grumpy Gnome on April 30, 2021, 05:08:19 PM
Great stuff, as usual mate!
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Post by: Cubs on April 30, 2021, 05:42:22 PM
Thanks Cubs, do you dilute the inks and washes with medium? Love this thread.

Hell no, if anything I try to find glaze mediums to thicken them up.
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Post by: Blackwolf on April 30, 2021, 10:54:28 PM
Griselda and Wolfhead are fantastic/ beautiful  :-*
I still read the stories off and on ,the author basing his writing style on Runyon if I remember correctly  :)
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Post by: Muzfish4 on May 01, 2021, 02:26:41 AM
Magnificent stuff!

As a curiosity, when is Halloween in the UK? Those who observe it here (not really in the House of Fish) tend to do so in October.
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Post by: Helen on May 01, 2021, 03:05:35 AM
Beautiful brushwork.  :-*
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Post by: Cubs on May 01, 2021, 11:02:48 AM
Magnificent stuff!

As a curiosity, when is Halloween in the UK? Those who observe it here (not really in the House of Fish) tend to do so in October.

(https://i0.wp.com/www.oneshotoneplace.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/thats-the-joke.gif?resize=448%2C291&ssl=1)
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Post by: Cubs on May 01, 2021, 11:07:44 AM
Griselda and Wolfhead are fantastic/ beautiful  :-*
I still read the stories off and on ,the author basing his writing style on Runyon if I remember correctly  :)

Yeah, I'd not read the stories back in the day, so I bought the 'Complete Griselda' PDF from a place called DriveThruFiction (all of $3) to get some ideas for the characters. In my head I gave the narrator a vaguely Greek/Turkish accent which actually worked very well with the tense-blind writing style! The stories are fine if you accept them as fun pulp; they give a nice flavour for the setting and do make you want to play the game.
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Post by: hubbabubba on May 01, 2021, 12:30:49 PM
Awesome work, I'd never noticed the Citadel logo on Sir Brian's shield before.

Keep them coming, they're always a pleasure to behold.
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Post by: Cubs on May 03, 2021, 10:14:23 PM
So what's next then? I got some Old School LOTR Uruk-Hai, some Talisman characters and some Runequest Broo.

Decisions, decisions ...
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Post by: Hobgoblin on May 03, 2021, 10:26:38 PM
Jaw-dropping work on that last batch!

So what's next then? I got some Old School LOTR Uruk-Hai, some Talisman characters and some Runequest Broo.

Decisions, decisions ...

Which Uruk-hai do you have? The original three or the bigger, later ones with plastic shields? I'd love to see the former (think they're the more interesting set); and that famous John Blanche conversion aside, they're almost never seen painted.

But it'd be great to see more broo after that splendid blue-ish crabby fellow!
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Post by: Muzfish4 on May 03, 2021, 11:01:08 PM
(https://i0.wp.com/www.oneshotoneplace.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/thats-the-joke.gif?resize=448%2C291&ssl=1)

Oh noes - straight over my head.   ;D :( o_o lol
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Post by: Cubs on May 04, 2021, 11:14:46 AM
Which Uruk-hai do you have? The original three or the bigger, later ones with plastic shields? .

Tell a lie, it's not the Uruk Hai set, it's the Orcs of the White Hand, originals with integral metal shields. I really like them models, so I'll see if I can squeeze them alongside the other stuff.
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Post by: Bloggard on May 04, 2021, 12:27:24 PM
Griselda and Wolfhead are fantastic/ beautiful  :-*
I still read the stories off and on ,the author basing his writing style on Runyon if I remember correctly  :)

yes - Oliver Dickinson - as you say, a pastiche of Damon Runyon. Had no idea anyone had figures to go with them.

Such a lovely, distinctive painting style.
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Post by: Kikuchiyo on May 04, 2021, 06:45:04 PM
Great work.

You've inspired me to track down some of the old samurai I used to own
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Post by: Hobgoblin on May 04, 2021, 09:31:26 PM
Tell a lie, it's not the Uruk Hai set, it's the Orcs of the White Hand, originals with integral metal shields. I really like them models, so I'll see if I can squeeze them alongside the other stuff.

They're a cracking bunch - maybe the last and best of the Perry orcs. It's odd; they're clearly meant to be the Isengard Uruk-hai (taller than the crook-legged soldiers of Mordor; long bows; short(ish) broad-bladed swords), but the Jez Goodwin trio get the thick legs and large hands along with Mordor insignia (nothing wrong with Mordor Uruk-hai - but the Goodwin ones have the more mannish look). Even odder is the fact that the excellent Perry White Hand and Red Eye orcs were replaced with rather lacklustre Kev Adams equivalents as the range came to an end. Could never fathom that one!

Can't wait to see 'em!
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Post by: Cubs on May 04, 2021, 10:04:32 PM
Yeah, I know it's continually banged on about, but I've always thought the Perry's work on the early Warhammer ranges have a quality far above that of the other sculptors. They didn't always get the anatomy bang on (and the casting doesn't need talking about) but the poses, the faces and the sheer life of them still give me a shot of the happy hormones whenever I look at their work.
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Post by: Blackwolf on May 04, 2021, 10:52:01 PM
It would be lovely to see some more Broo Cubs,one of my favourite miniatures is an Antelope headed Broo,very regal,still have him in enamel and oils :)
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Post by: Robosmith on May 05, 2021, 06:08:19 PM
Yeah, I know it's continually banged on about, but I've always thought the Perry's work on the early Warhammer ranges have a quality far above that of the other sculptors. They didn't always get the anatomy bang on (and the casting doesn't need talking about) but the poses, the faces and the sheer life of them still give me a shot of the happy hormones whenever I look at their work.
I think it's because the heroic scale and lack of accuracy in anatomy allowed for some really expressive sculpts. Their current lines are all close to true scale and it leaves little room for expression, while at GW they could make everyone look like a Punch and Judy puppet. Realism doesn't tend to be as interesting as the weird things you can pull off when you throw it out the window.
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Post by: Citizen Sade on May 05, 2021, 06:26:17 PM
I think Aly Morrison and Bob Naismith on their good days could give the Perrys a run for their money. Mark Copplestone too.

If I was forced to come up with a list of my top ten sculpts from the glory days, say 1985Ė87, it would probably include sculpts from all of them plus Jes Goodwin. I think thatís a good thing.

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Post by: Cubs on May 05, 2021, 07:06:33 PM
It would be lovely to see some more Broo Cubs,one of my favourite miniatures is an Antelope headed Broo,very regal,still have him in enamel and oils :)

Is he the one stood tall and upright, with a fur cloak over his left arm?
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Post by: Blackwolf on May 05, 2021, 07:57:03 PM
Thatís the one,I painted him white. Iíll have to pull him out :)
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Post by: Ockius on May 08, 2021, 05:40:11 PM
A quick diversion to tackle the first of the Talisman models - the Troll. I tried to stay pretty close to the picture on his card, but a little snazzier. The base is just plain grass (to match the 'Outer Region' on the playing board), because these models are going to be very much playing pieces, not just display pieces.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/JePFY5SXyE2T/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/gyjHuKSSBj4J/1k0.jpg)

(https://www.talismanisland.com/mini_2troll_card.jpg)
Love this guy, and all the others! I like the way they are largely in muted browns, with colour used sparingly - it captures a look that I really like for fantasy figures.

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Post by: beefcake on May 11, 2021, 05:26:05 AM
More great work here Cubs, well done.
I thought I'd missed out on lots of your painting with 6 pages to catch up on. Turns out it was only a few. It's a credit to your painting the sheer amount of comments you receive!
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Post by: Cubs on May 11, 2021, 07:07:01 AM
It's a credit to your painting the sheer amount of comments you receive!

Urm ... yeah, that's what it is! Not that us oldsters hang around here chewing the fat, complaining about how you got real models back then, the girls were prettier and Wagon Wheels were bigger.
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Post by: McYellowbelly on May 11, 2021, 08:24:57 AM
 :D
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Post by: McYellowbelly on May 11, 2021, 08:25:58 AM
Urm ... yeah, that's what it is! Not that us oldsters hang around here chewing the fat, complaining about how you got real models back then, the girls were prettier and Wagon Wheels were bigger.
so were curly wurlies!
And we had white dog poo you could kick along the pavement!
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Post by: Cubs on May 11, 2021, 08:30:11 AM
 lol
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Post by: Ingarsby73 on May 11, 2021, 09:46:19 AM
They are rather awe-inspiring, aren't they - the level of detail, the colour choices, and the realism you think to bring to them with the take on tartan or redness around the eyes of the troll and the varying pigmentation of his skin. It makes them all so plausibly real - if the Talisman troll wandered into your garden, that's what he'd look like.

And yes, there is dose of old school nostalgia, but I'm (just) too young to have bought non-slotta base Citadel figures and I love this lot. Also larger wagon wheels etc etc
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Post by: Tactalvanic on May 11, 2021, 10:23:31 AM
Wagon wheels were bigger..

But your work is still fantastic, whether its proper real old models, or modern fakery so I can accept that about wagon wheels with a little grace.

oh the memories, curly wurlies, and mars bars that fit their rappers, rather than having extra "air" in them.

Damn and I remember the sun bleached dog poo!

oh those olden times..
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Post by: beefcake on May 13, 2021, 05:35:10 AM
Real models as in you can throw them at home invaders due to their heft rather than plastic crap?
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Post by: Tactalvanic on May 13, 2021, 06:28:40 AM
Real models as in you can throw them at home invaders due to their heft rather than plastic crap?

Yes, but that's effort.

Think maybe just drop the mountain on their heads and dig their remains out after. Eventually.

Probably.

Definitely once I get to painting the content of that part  ::)

more impact and less risk of damage to anything OOP  :D

Of course I would have to make sure non of the resin or plastic fakery in that part of the mountain moved, don't want to damage anything.

Now if Cubs could kindly paint some more amazing stuff, whilst I dig myself out of this hole.
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Post by: Cubs on May 13, 2021, 08:46:05 AM
I was in the middle of painting some LOTR Orcs and suddenly noticed a load of waste metal on all three of them that I'd missed in the clean-up and prep stages. It's a little bit of heart-break when you have to gouge lumps off your lovingly painted surfaces, then re-apply undercoat and repaint.
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Post by: Captain Blood on May 13, 2021, 09:51:08 AM
I was in the middle of painting some LOTR Orcs and suddenly noticed a load of waste metal on all three of them that I'd missed in the clean-up and prep stages. It's a little bit of heart-break when you have to gouge lumps off your lovingly painted surfaces, then re-apply undercoat and repaint.

God I hate it when that happens. You think Ďhow the f*ck did I miss that?í Deeply annoying. Sympathies  ::)
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Post by: Cubs on June 12, 2021, 01:19:54 PM
A couple of Talisman characters (including Sarah Jessica Parker as the Prophetess) painted, quadruple varnished and ready to play with!


(https://myalbum.com/photo/EmZDikKR2dLd/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/S6p775nrMUw8/1k0.jpg)

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/dUoAAOSwab5di9h~/s-l300.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/MDLMpGSv5pPS/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/i7duUj9y3YYU/1k0.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2e/9b/e4/2e9be407f277b34a613d9078fddb47c7.png)
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Post by: Grumpy Gnome on June 12, 2021, 02:21:06 PM
Brilliant work Cubs, they really come to life with your brushwork.
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Post by: majorsmith on June 12, 2021, 09:56:36 PM
Excellent as always!
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Post by: syrinx0 on June 13, 2021, 01:53:29 AM
Fantastic character laden sculpts that really come alive with your painting style.
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Post by: jambo1 on June 13, 2021, 06:52:44 AM
The minstrel is quite superb, lovely work. :)
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Post by: Bloggard on June 13, 2021, 09:39:34 AM
wonderful faces.
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Post by: Cubs on June 16, 2021, 07:58:55 PM
Thanks guys. They were immediately put into action for a game of Talisman (the Minstrel was my wife, the Prophetess my daughter and I had the Troll), which is still ongoing and will doubtless stretch over many evenings to come. Thank Jehovah for phone cameras to quickly snap up where everything is, so it can be packed away and we can eat from the table for the week!

To encourage me to paint the models, we will be choosing a character to play for our next game, so I have a deadline and designated models to get finished in time.
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Post by: Tactalvanic on June 18, 2021, 06:33:05 AM
stunning, can't wait to see your next choice pieces.
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Post by: thebinmann on June 20, 2021, 11:26:20 AM
I felt lucky back in the day to play with naked lead figures, I hope your family know how lucky they still are!

I'm sure that game still holds up too, do you play with expansions?



To encourage me to paint the models, we will be choosing a character to play for our next game, so I have a deadline and designated models to get finished in time.

Hello if you need any help with encpurgaement and deadlines I have plenty of 1980s CitAdel......

Great stuff.
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Post by: Cubs on June 20, 2021, 12:16:30 PM
I'm sure that game still holds up too, do you play with expansions?

Not yet, but we probably will eventually, if only so we can get to play with all the other models!
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Post by: thebinmann on June 21, 2021, 06:18:50 AM
Did you and your brother buy them in blisters? My, older, brother got one of those big Citadel plastic boxes with the sliding back that clicked, reusable and chunky!
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Post by: Cubs on June 21, 2021, 08:41:50 AM
Did you and your brother buy them in blisters? My, older, brother got one of those big Citadel plastic boxes with the sliding back that clicked, reusable and chunky!

I wouldn't know to be honest, he bought them and has passed them on to me. My favourite Citadel boxes by far were the cardboard 'Regiment of Renown' ones with the picture of the Hobgoblin Despoilers and Lizardman Raiders having a battle. That wonderful dull rattle of the the lead models inside the polystyrene tray inside was magical.
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Post by: thebinmann on June 23, 2021, 09:21:18 AM
Ah yes I have a couple of surviving, but battered, boxes - Fellowship of the Ring, Bugman's and a bargain box... My brother's boxes are in much better shape and more numerous..... curse him
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Post by: Cubs on July 07, 2021, 06:06:01 PM
After being badgered by various people to do some more LOTR stuff, I finally got round to painting my classic Citadel 'Orcs of the White Hand' by the Perry's. They are pretty much the template for the classic Orc in my mind and the yardstick 'gainst which all others are measured. Oh the beauty, the leaden beauty.

(https://myalbum.com/photo/FqJDG7oDXw59/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/VRMkGFbKQXG3/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/77YUbAqVnfWe/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/99SPY7KNUHLR/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/Xu2YpjBuJRU7/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/qEPsFu4cv7tV/1k0.jpg)

(https://myalbum.com/photo/Q9HJTebdHCyy/1k0.jpg)
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Post by: Garanhir on July 07, 2021, 07:17:42 PM
Beautiful work, especially the skin tones and texture. Plus I do like to see string on a bow.
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Post by: Dr Mathias on July 07, 2021, 07:21:34 PM
Huh, Perrys did those? Interesting.
You sure do make 'em look great!
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Post by: Cubs on July 07, 2021, 07:33:56 PM
Plus I do like to see string on a bow.

My old method of splitting a plastic fibre from a 'dustpan and brush' set down the middle. They've easy to cut, easy to glue and they naturally want to lie straight.
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Post by: Hobgoblin on July 07, 2021, 08:50:02 PM
Amazing paintwork!

Yup, those are the Citadel orcs at the back of Plato's cave. The archer's a contender for the best GW orc ever.

As a kid, I was mildly peeved that two of them have scimitars (wrong for Isengarders - although the archer's properly armed!) when everything else about them seemed meticulously researched (long yew bows, etc.). But they're just terrific, with the hairy breeches, the hide shields, the heavy boots and tattered cloaks: all those little details that give them depth and life.
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Post by: Cubs on July 07, 2021, 09:53:43 PM
Thanks guys, I'm glad they're getting the love they deserve. As fun as they were to paint, it took me ages because there always seemed to be some other little detail on them - a strap, some fur, a little knife - that needed doing.

As a kid, I was mildly peeved that two of them have scimitars (wrong for Isengarders - although the archer's properly armed!) when everything else about them seemed meticulously researched (long yew bows, etc.).

I know! Short, straight swords wasn't it? Clearly Saruman had been training up his goons to be more professional heavy infantry than the standard Mordor fare.
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Post by: Keith on July 08, 2021, 10:49:49 AM
Beautiful stuff - absolute classics and they couldn't look better. As you say, pretty much the blueprint for what came next.

I specifically remember this pack after younger me went to some effort repositioning the sword arm of the fella on the right.
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Post by: Cubs on July 08, 2021, 11:29:57 AM
I specifically remember this pack after younger me went to some effort repositioning the sword arm of the fella on the right.

I think we all did that! Snip it off the head and twist the wrist so the sword is a little more sideways!
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Post by: syrinx0 on July 10, 2021, 03:25:54 AM
After being badgered by various people to do some more LOTR stuff, I finally got round to painting my classic Citadel 'Orcs of the White Hand' by the Perry's. They are pretty much the template for the classic Orc in my mind and the yardstick 'gainst which all others are measured. Oh the beauty, the leaden beauty.

Magnificent painting.  Always did love those figures.
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Post by: BZ on July 10, 2021, 07:40:50 PM
I love them! The comic-like sculpt with the realistic painting makes a surpising (for me at least) well result.
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Post by: Nicklas P on July 11, 2021, 07:43:19 AM
Lovely orcs  :-*
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Post by: beefcake on July 11, 2021, 07:49:18 AM
Very nice result there.
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Post by: McYellowbelly on July 11, 2021, 09:13:25 AM
Superb work, proper orcs!
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Post by: Duff on July 11, 2021, 05:42:11 PM
Gorgeous work, love it.
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Post by: Grumpy Gnome on July 12, 2021, 07:50:44 AM
Great work on those Orcs!
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Post by: Ockius on July 14, 2021, 07:37:04 PM
Love the orcs, and realised I have two of them myself - now Iím inspired to strip them and update the old and bad paintjob they have at present!
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Post by: Cubs on July 14, 2021, 08:02:41 PM
Love the orcs, and realised I have two of them myself - now Iím inspired to strip them and update the old and bad paintjob they have at present!

They're lovely models and take the paint so well. The only issue is that there's a lot of hidden detail that I found tricky to make out until the bits around them had been coloured in.
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Post by: Ockius on July 16, 2021, 02:28:23 PM
They're lovely models and take the paint so well. The only issue is that there's a lot of hidden detail that I found tricky to make out until the bits around them had been coloured in.
And now I can benefit from you having done some of the hard work for me, as I can refer to your paint jobs if I have any troubles   ;)
This is definitely one of the tricky bits of painting - thereís many a model that I have painted a few of and then eventually realised Iíve been mistakenly identifying a certain little item or fold of material all along.