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Title: Wurttembergers and other Napoleonics (Terrain work 8/14)
Post by: arget8 on June 08, 2018, 06:22:54 PM
Here's the first group of my Wurttemberg line infantry. Miniatures are Perry plastic French with plastic Austrian helmets. I'm pretty pleased with them to be honest.

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/34728357_10214762410687900_497040428973948928_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=3b55f5c45dde3a1d55f36baa3c2b8d27&oe=5BC0C364)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/34721536_10214762411927931_7238199678326538240_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=3de9e6bce6d11f133b8c2f73dba54849&oe=5B7F3D21)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/34875715_10214762412007933_2309697050872119296_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=28b2253ff7ad35bab2cbfcebca507e40&oe=5B8049A6)

I'm also working on the unit roster as well. As far as I can tell, the infantry had a reputation for aggression and stubbornness, but the entire force should have some sort of special rule for their propensity for looting.
Title: Re: Plastic Napoleonic Wurttembergers
Post by: DintheDin on June 08, 2018, 06:39:08 PM
So well done! I am pretty pleased and amazed as well! Congrats!
Title: Re: Plastic Napoleonic Wurttembergers
Post by: ARKOUDAKI on June 08, 2018, 07:56:33 PM
 :-* :-* :-* I do love conversions and this lot does interest me. Not knowing much at all about Wurttembergers, are these uniforms correct or just close enough? I am just wondering if all one has to do is swap heads. Regardless, looks nice!
Title: Re: Plastic Napoleonic Wurttembergers
Post by: OSHIROmodels on June 08, 2018, 08:02:47 PM
Brill  :)

Wurttembergers were my first 15mm Naps army (Minifigs).
Title: Re: Plastic Napoleonic Wurttembergers
Post by: arget8 on June 08, 2018, 08:18:14 PM
:-* :-* :-* I do love conversions and this lot does interest me. Not knowing much at all about Wurttembergers, are these uniforms correct or just close enough? I am just wondering if all one has to do is swap heads. Regardless, looks nice!

There are some minor differences that have to be smoothed over. The breasting on the Bardin jackets isn't quite right, nor is the Austrian helmet, but they are close enough that a paint job can cover up the majority of the differences.

Brill  :)

Wurttembergers were my first 15mm Naps army (Minifigs).

They are going to be my first official Nap army as well. After them will be Austrians, French, and Swiss. From there, it depends on whether I want to go to the Peninsula (Irish Legion, Brits, Portuguese, and Spanish) or Russia. I'd also like to do Bavarians, which would slot in pretty well to most of Central and Eastern Europe.
Title: Re: Plastic Napoleonic Wurttembergers
Post by: jambo1 on June 09, 2018, 08:55:25 AM
Looking good, nice conversion work and nicely painted. :)
Title: Re: Plastic Napoleonic Wurttembergers
Post by: arget8 on June 15, 2018, 09:21:39 PM
Here is the next group of plastic Wurttembergers. Working on the third group now, but I've run out of suitable bodies for conversions, so it may be a bit before the next batch.

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/35346266_10214811910245358_2368172897463173120_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=699dd0961ec9772fb7f92ac358a9143c&oe=5BAC8CC9)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/35344188_10214811909325335_8390580502385393664_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=8a00666294c1670a1f48811aad7de5fa&oe=5BAA6F25)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/35462836_10214811909925350_6002531621557764096_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=453cf02fdc225a5fef8349aaf68ded58&oe=5BA9B328)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/35390776_10214811916525515_2473783235578953728_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=146cb93380bce8b8bb235192dc643e7f&oe=5BB6822C)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/35380184_10214811916605517_8128692822812393472_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=91039fdb63c33b435d5ef11047a7cdf1&oe=5BA18BBD)
Title: Re: Plastic Napoleonic Wurttembergers
Post by: DintheDin on June 15, 2018, 09:54:23 PM
You are progressing well, keep up the good job!
Title: Re: Plastic Napoleonic Wurttembergers
Post by: arget8 on June 15, 2018, 11:59:39 PM
You are progressing well, keep up the good job!

Thanks! Working on the next group of seven (I ruined one and cut my finger open removing the head from the eighth) and some Austrians at the moment.
Title: Re: Plastic Napoleonic Wurttembergers
Post by: DintheDin on June 16, 2018, 07:00:32 AM
Thanks! Working on the next group of seven (I ruined one and cut my finger open removing the head from the eighth) and some Austrians at the moment.

Ouch! :( It has happened to many of us, converters. In our eagerness and impetus to materialize our vision, we pay it with our blood... Get well soon!
Title: Re: Plastic Napoleonic Wurttembergers
Post by: OSHIROmodels on June 16, 2018, 08:26:52 AM
Group shot after the next batch?
Title: Re: Plastic Napoleonic Wurttembergers
Post by: arget8 on June 16, 2018, 01:05:46 PM
Group shot after the next batch?

Will do! It will be short a couple guys, but what can you do?
Title: Re: Plastic Napoleonic Wurttembergers and other Napoleonics
Post by: arget8 on June 20, 2018, 12:08:04 AM
The first of my Austrians are here! I'm waiting for my order from Warbases, which is why they are unbased. I have another four ready, but they are currently sans backpacks.

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/35493184_10214841916915506_5214665049867550720_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=AeHVKS8zoFQ0iBMiEIdC-q31omdoOBtVplZ-CP1TG78PBSRTmWzzB6HBmDGMAkWri1xdbDbNbBsU1v3Rtx7PDwT_Ad5M7nE1t0UHOsHIrngpmA&oh=526801fe2125b8e4706edd12ecd1e8f2&oe=5BB9B088)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/35828985_10214841916795503_848164167314571264_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=AeGEtubLr0vI6qPhHKFlFpp30U2a2x_HjD_m4j4FmHCRoApqJwWewYTe5GOATStZFP82QGPxNCjeOzANMI9G70BXGwUE_DISmCfTE3eC7braQA&oh=e53a4c4c4935cc27f81b81b2559f0fb0&oe=5BA660E5)
Title: Re: Plastic Napoleonic Wurttembergers and other Napoleonics
Post by: DintheDin on June 20, 2018, 06:28:46 AM
Oooh! Very nice work on the whites! and the faces well done!
Title: Re: Plastic Napoleonic Wurttembergers and other Napoleonics
Post by: arget8 on June 20, 2018, 10:50:53 PM
Oooh! Very nice work on the whites! and the faces well done!

Thanks! I'm pretty pleased with them so far. Weirdly enough, they take less time than the Wurttemburgers!
Title: Re: Plastic Napoleonic Wurttembergers and other Napoleonics
Post by: arget8 on June 22, 2018, 08:00:03 PM
First group of Austrians is now finished! I've started on the next group of Wurttembergers, an officer, and NCO.

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/36121364_10214864225153198_3884020646115540992_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=AeG0SW_FJFBVgYl4WCxgLt0_ze_WZgFnZMUEGM6XmFysIDm8l70R6M_FGqF2f1kH-VjmD5WauTfAXXFuFFHMFzXIrMwx-7KuUcY0tb2DuXsWCw&oh=89b4a0aac86451d727854c9e9266f8a4&oe=5BA04E72)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/35954994_10214864225233200_6842116179381714944_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=AeFVSSDZFyBntovhsQHoRIWpP_tXO-T9b1toTP7d2056NKH0hgdgBNVyaahdQT2MPEVAXpxiLGCi4NwLtXTnzBLMezXp_R7o--K6WeAqmPBVfg&oh=c29eb0fa82597028ee4baa888c4dbee3&oe=5BA4AE01)
Title: Re: Plastic Napoleonic Wurttembergers and other Napoleonics
Post by: Dr DeAth on June 22, 2018, 08:33:58 PM
Well those have turned out nicely
Title: Re: Plastic Napoleonic Wurttembergers and other Napoleonics
Post by: DintheDin on June 22, 2018, 08:48:58 PM
Gorgeous! Keep up the good job!
Title: Re: Plastic Napoleonic Wurttembergers and other Napoleonics
Post by: arget8 on June 23, 2018, 02:24:27 AM
Thanks gents. I should have some more coming in over the weekend.
Title: Re: Plastic Napoleonic Wurttembergers and other Napoleonics
Post by: arget8 on June 28, 2018, 12:27:06 AM
I've finished the third group of Wurttemberg line infantry, along with an NCO to pull shock off.

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/36255733_10214898856058949_4150559088075341824_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=6648eed21b87ea8f63e80755258b2fe8&oe=5BA41957)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/36279753_10214898856898970_4289853531843723264_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=580de2d2da36639febe062b9828341e9&oe=5BA772D7)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/36295865_10214898855418933_7177444282138099712_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=ac1ca970b85367b15efbfbb55670df2a&oe=5BE580B6)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/36331399_10214898855498935_2281626437410619392_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=d7918447d6c3d6352e6b1e2fe3a8aebd&oe=5BE76CA0)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/36318538_10214898855578937_3714347860007845888_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=5131c4fd2a7c9183c079868944e41f90&oe=5BE501AE)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/36297904_10214898856138951_729202274819112960_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=a9c3aeea341657d2ec2e1799d32a35b6&oe=5BE442A6)

Next up is an officer and Jaeger test paint, which I should have done tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: Plastic Napoleonic Wurttembergers and other Napoleonics
Post by: DintheDin on June 28, 2018, 05:28:45 AM
Gorgeous one more time!
Are you planning something with the command groups/flags?
Title: Re: Plastic Napoleonic Wurttembergers and other Napoleonics
Post by: arget8 on June 28, 2018, 02:44:40 PM
I'll be painting and basing them all up individually, as I plan on using them for Sharp Practice 2. I'll be doing a bunch of leaders, a group of sappers/engineers, standard, musician, and a physician.
Title: Re: Plastic Napoleonic Wurttembergers and other Napoleonics
Post by: PAULSPENCE on June 30, 2018, 12:51:30 PM
Good standard of painting for sure but the Wurttemberger conversions are truly splendid.

Congratulations!
Title: Re: Plastic Napoleonic Wurttembergers and other Napoleonics
Post by: arget8 on June 30, 2018, 10:07:03 PM
Good standard of painting for sure but the Wurttemberger conversions are truly splendid.

Congratulations!

Thank you! I'm pretty pleased with them! Anyone can do them really, which is the best thing in my opinion. It's really just a head swap and paint job. The biggest issues are not cutting your fingers off when you remove the heads and having to buy a bunch of boxes of French so that you can get the fusilier bodies, as the Wurttembergers didn't have big epaulets. However, all the extra bodies are a great starting point for several other armies that wear the same uniform, such as French (obviously), Swiss, Italians, and Irish Legion.
Title: Re: Plastic Napoleonic Wurttembergers and other Napoleonics
Post by: arget8 on July 01, 2018, 07:29:42 PM
Here are some Frenchmen/Swiss/Italians/Irish Legionaries to support my Wurttembergers and the start of my next forces. Since all of the aforementioned units wore pretty much the same uniform when wearing the greatcoat, they should serve as a good base to add to for several forces.

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/36483652_10214927396252436_4254742839918854144_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=e3ea7ba8810d7bce2ab60957c6eac893&oe=5BA767C0)
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/36440794_10214927395892427_2462689064470446080_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=34d5e2bce355cec0e84b323f05a78dcb&oe=5BE27BD6)
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/36514984_10214927395852426_2643881468262088704_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=75f11bde821516b17244d5dbb10d2f61&oe=5BAF7F16)

By the way, if anyone is interesting in trading for some regular fusiliers (without greatcoats or epaulets) I'm going to have a ton of guys in greatcoats.
Title: Re: Plastic Napoleonic Wurttembergers and other Napoleonics
Post by: arget8 on July 17, 2018, 02:58:40 PM
Here come the first of two groups of Jagers. The light infantry units from Wurttemberg were rated highly, even among the relatively highly rated Wurttemberg line troops. Armed with rifles, the Jagers functioned much like Austrian Jagers or British riflemen, scouting for enemies, foraging, and acting as skirmishers in battle. With them is their NCO leader. After the Jagers, I'll be putting the final two groups of line on the table and then it's onward to the cavalry and light infantry.

All figures are Perry plastics. The bodies are French Voltiguers and some of the arms are from the British riflemen sprues.

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/37237300_10215035308230168_4193797404312469504_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=4895de86f4db45fc85e4084fafafdb97&oe=5BC68E4B)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/37278110_10215035307390147_218769841463492608_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=3128537737e37e9b04b7c60d335748a0&oe=5BD26B93)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/37296168_10215035307670154_797895986046304256_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=916a953f4c6b1c305fbd37a3474eff3c&oe=5BE04C73)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/37305687_10215035307590152_944121609382264832_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=eccaf5d68c640e1e9a0fa5e7bc40cec5&oe=5BCE019E)
Title: Re: Plastic Napoleonic Wurttembergers and other Napoleonics
Post by: arget8 on August 03, 2018, 06:35:31 PM
Just finished up a fourth group of Wurttemberg line infantry, the first four French without greatcoats, and four Austrian line infantry. I have another group of Wurttemberg Jagers, the last group of line, my first group of light infantry, two deployment points, and another twelve Austrian line infantry on the painting desk at the moment. It''s a bit of a mess, honestly.

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/38405348_10215166373146709_2120741339074134016_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=6a82b6e1a3a7e9934fc786d8249c8951&oe=5BD38440)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/38391967_10215166372986705_6666997812829356032_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=b1ed295b79b01fd20f6c265a2a922eec&oe=5BFFC7D5)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/38471714_10215166375906778_1135756195361980416_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=81242bb38502c38238710663e82c05ed&oe=5C113D74)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/38037016_10215166377586820_6640732361237463040_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=dcf5acbd53b2b4ef1a13f774180f46fa&oe=5BC6F8CD)
Title: Re: Plastic Napoleonic Wurttembergers and other Napoleonics
Post by: vtsaogames on August 03, 2018, 10:50:14 PM
Excellent job!
Title: Re: Plastic Napoleonic Wurttembergers and other Napoleonics
Post by: grant on August 04, 2018, 06:46:43 AM
I sculpted every helmet for mine, so this looks just awesome.  :o
Title: Re: Plastic Napoleonic Wurttembergers and other Napoleonics
Post by: arget8 on August 04, 2018, 03:52:51 PM
Thanks guys!

Grant, were they converted from Perry French? In 28mm? I'd love to see some pictures if you have any!
Title: Re: Plastic Napoleonic Wurttembergers and other Napoleonics (Plastic Hungarian 8/6!)
Post by: arget8 on August 07, 2018, 03:17:41 AM
So, I decided to throw together a test figure for a converted Hungarian Fusilier. Here is the result. I think I'll be putting together at least three groups of these fellows. He was a lot of fun to paint.


(https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/38682920_10215190447508553_4313689608199077888_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=e816cd6b4e0aada7103e071daab2511b&oe=5C0D8043)
(https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/38538987_10215190447428551_7764844178705481728_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=ec0d5c397465deda774626ba77297f05&oe=5C0A22B5)
Title: Re: Plastic Napoleonic Wurttembergers and other Napoleonics (Plastic Hungarian 8/6!)
Post by: arget8 on August 07, 2018, 11:34:30 PM
Another group of Jaegers and their grizzled, but well-loved sergeant, Oskar Meier. These are the last of the Jaegers for now, for which I am thankful. Due to their relative lack of color and the details regarding the piping (which was a must if I wanted them to have any interesting features), they were simply annoying to paint. These guys have been sitting half-painted on my desk for the better part of a month, just taunting me with their tedious nature. But enough complaining, I'm done! As these guys will be used for Sharp Practice and maybe Forager, I don't anticipate ever fielding more than two groups of six, so I'll likely never have to paint up another unit of them, unless someone pays me to.

(https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/38769078_10215197227318044_2719141789347872768_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=c825092193108ac45817b97e938da842&oe=5C11C2DB)
(https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/38651734_10215197228038062_3328978255767142400_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=4e8f1c3723ef379c0b883c407cb3483c&oe=5BC8FDB7)

Next up will be the Wurttemberg deployment points and a drummer.
Title: Re: Plastic Napoleonic Wurttembergers and other Napoleonics (More Jagers 8/8)
Post by: DintheDin on August 08, 2018, 08:21:33 PM
Fine looking! Their piping is an eye-catcher! Congrats!
Title: Re: Plastic Napoleonic Wurttembergers and other Napoleonics (More Jagers 8/8)
Post by: arget8 on August 08, 2018, 09:39:39 PM
The assembled forces of the men from Stuttgart so far. Four groups of line infantry led by Leutnant Hans Bernhard and Feldwebel Harold Schleimfuss and two groups of Jaegers, led by Feldwebels Oskar Meier and Essen Hundwurst.

(https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/38720848_10215204767466543_5323785316862001152_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=1e8165c63266a95afa69e232414c1157&oe=5BFFCF51)
(https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/38783131_10215204767346540_926071124557561856_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=76199917a742e3546115d8f498fa97b9&oe=5BC8A451)
(https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/38742256_10215204767266538_9103108932477386752_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=54e7a33b05cda586e3121acc777e62c5&oe=5C137BB3)
(https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/38846450_10215204768266563_8192432778889920512_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=9857e7100a07aaf1854a98fa4e2ede98&oe=5C04B78C)
(https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/38753007_10215204768506569_520147975796686848_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=4f3768f23050d3abb664b97919a652e6&oe=5C08D84A)
Title: Re: Wurttembergers and other Napoleonics (Jagers and group shot 8/8)
Post by: arget8 on August 14, 2018, 09:03:33 PM
So, I haven't been feeling terribly inspired to paint this week so far, which is troubling considering that I'm so close to the goal, but my hands have not been idle. I've started work on some terrain to further bring up the level of terrain excellence that I'll be forever seeking.

First up is my first house for Mittle Europa. This simple, timber framed and thatched house is still awaiting its daubing, but other than that, it's ready to paint. I'm going to put the spackle on a bunch at once to reduce wastage, so it may be a few days before it sees paint. The doors and windows are from Warbases and are really worth the investment in my opinion as now I don't have to scratch build window frames or cardstock doors. I plan on putting shutters on them as well, but I need to wait for the spackle to be applied.

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/39186546_10215250071199108_4140162913576943616_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=aad81505b7a79dae3e0e4a4b48423e40&oe=5C048190)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/39174745_10215250071119106_6669352120627494912_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=46f9b989ee251da0c14c1bc2a733b621&oe=5BFA34EA)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/39203596_10215250071319111_2533397428892073984_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=0764e19a7ac49dd1420719d008b3d550&oe=5BF45B75)

I've also been toiling away at something completely ridiculous, but if it works, I really think that it will just be the shit. This is a prototype/proof of concept, really, but I'm already pretty pleased with it at this point. I'm going to give you guys a chance to guess what it is before I spoil the surprise, but it should be incredibly obvious if I do any more work, so guess away!

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/39089015_10215250072319136_2784387685513428992_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=ae08bd9a2cd9652eb0b0ff6a334c2cce&oe=5C069F07)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/39257584_10215250072119131_7554633352364425216_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=d875b82ad75e1fa6976a0f6094e77d3c&oe=5BC6A7AC)
Title: Re: Wurttembergers and other Napoleonics (Terrain work 8/14)
Post by: arget8 on August 14, 2018, 11:09:10 PM
Here's the next step:

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/39221286_10215251410272584_1557603351984603136_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=b880e2858f668d7c5a706f96be5894e6&oe=5C1367EA)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/39154875_10215251410432588_9110652458417258496_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=0aef3e0095a465b441c60c02072613fc&oe=5BF14A05)

Anyone have any guesses yet?
Title: Re: Wurttembergers and other Napoleonics (Terrain work 8/14)
Post by: John Boadle on August 15, 2018, 12:37:59 AM
I'm guessing it's a vineyard?
Title: Re: Wurttembergers and other Napoleonics (Terrain work 8/14)
Post by: arget8 on August 15, 2018, 01:03:51 PM
A flexible, completely customizable vineyard, or at least it's my first attempt. I'm still trying to work out how to affix the washers to the bottom without losing the flexibility or interfering with the fur. This attempt is with Flex Seal spray, which you have to put so much on that I'm not sure about it. However, I may just need to do a big piece in order to truly ascertain how flexible I can make it. This piece is so small that I'm just not sure.
Title: Re: Wurttembergers and other Napoleonics (Terrain work 8/14)
Post by: John Boadle on August 15, 2018, 10:14:34 PM
OK, I would say there's a couple of issues with where you are so far. Firstly, the wire connecting the tops of the posts will stop anything being flexible in certain directions. But you don't need that wire; I'm not aware of that being a particular feature of vineyards, though I stand to be corrected here. Secondly, it's difficult to get the thing conformable to all terrain contours, because in reality the posts would always be vertical.

However, I think all vineyards are on a slope, and only on one slope of a hill, the side that gets the sun or whatever it is. They don't go over the top of a hill and down the opposite side. Therefore, the posts should always be at an angle to your base material, so that when placed on a typical slope they will sit vertical. You need to put some stuff on to represent the vines, but that will keep the posts in place.

It is the right approach to base a vineyard on flexible material, but I'm not sure about the faux fur, which suggests long grass. Vineyards don't have long grass between the rows of vines unless totally neglected. I would suggest brown felt material. You can give that an earth texture without losing flexibility: just apply thinned PVA then a light scatter of fine sand, then paint as earth.
Title: Re: Wurttembergers and other Napoleonics (Terrain work 8/14)
Post by: arget8 on August 16, 2018, 02:02:56 AM
Well, the wire is actually an elastic thread, which I plan on gluing blobs of flock to in order to represent the actual vines That will be the next step.

I think that the verticality of the posts will always be an issue. Heck, they're kind of an issue for most vineyards if they're not purpose built to be on a slope. I'm not sure there's a better solution.

The faux fur pictured is only the proof of concept. The actual fur used will be cut super short out of the same material as the rest of my fur mat.

I think I may have to disagree with you about the space between the rows, though. I agree with you that the rows themselves would absolutely be practically bare dirt, but the paths between the rows is most certainly grass around ankle height or a touch higher. I live in wine country and have spent my entire life living and working on orchards and vineyards. I wont argue that some are bare dirt, but I would not say that this is the norm. Something a little more patchy and sparse is probably the most accurate, which I'm going to try to see if I can work something out to do so while making it fully modular.
Title: Re: Wurttembergers and other Napoleonics (Terrain work 8/14)
Post by: DonFabrizio on August 17, 2018, 09:21:15 AM
I rather enjoy seeing this project unfold. Nice work!
Title: Re: Wurttembergers and other Napoleonics (Terrain work 8/14)
Post by: arget8 on August 17, 2018, 12:20:53 PM
Thank you! I'm hoping to have the house and the first floor of the next one spackled up in the next day or so.
Title: Re: Wurttembergers and other Napoleonics (Terrain work 8/14)
Post by: John Boadle on August 20, 2018, 10:07:39 PM
You evidently know more about modern vineyards than me, arget8! Point taken about what is between the rows of vines, ie short grass or maybe sparse patches. And they all have wires between the posts, so I was wrong there.


However I do make a bit of a study of historical terrain, and like almost everything vineyards weren't the same in the old days. They originally consisted of just rows of vine plants, each attached to a pole, with no wire or anything joining them. In winter the plants were pruned very low, and in summer they grew to varying heights, presumably based on different varieties and soils. They could be only thigh-high or over head-height. I imagine the horizontal wires now used are to for one thing to get the grapes growing at the most convenient height for harvesting. I've attached some mediaeval illustrations which show the kind of thing. It would be the industrial age when suitable wire became available, so the mediaeval look would still be right for Napoleonics.
Title: Re: Wurttembergers and other Napoleonics (Terrain work 8/14)
Post by: arget8 on August 21, 2018, 01:48:15 PM
Well, I'm a bit embarrassed now. I assumed that there must have been some sort of line or rope used. I really have been struggling to find anything about what they looked like between the Romans, when they used pergolas, and the modern, industrial, methods we see today. In all honesty, I'm a little relieved to get your info, because this means that I don't have to string lines for any dark age or napoleonic games I do now, just wrap some twine on the poles, paint, and flock them.

I think that the limits of the modular design will still preclude me from making them always fit the slope of the terrain, but I've also been thinking about nixing the magnetic aspect and just putting pins or tack nails on the bottom that I can stick in foam.