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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: craigjwoodfield on June 22, 2018, 10:44:52 AM
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The first pics from the new game are out
https://www.facebook.com/2000-AD-Miniatures-Games-Warlord-Games-347571562436739/?hc_ref=ARSyXenc9mS94Oo83nIdXjXEK8Se_WitGQhABvWhYTo24YHV5UeSkCnErEBdbv5DTeg
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Not on Facebook, but the Durham Red figure shown here http://wargameterrain.blogspot.com/2018/06/breaking-warlord-games-new-strontium.html (http://wargameterrain.blogspot.com/2018/06/breaking-warlord-games-new-strontium.html)
sucks (YMMV).
Maybe recent artists draw her that way.
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Yep, it's not great.
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I think any hope I was holding out that we'd finally get some really nice 2000AD figures just died lol
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I like that gal, she has old school horror vive, something off with her legs though..
I love small alien!
(https://scontent-waw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/36002487_10154830695763039_1509550776840617984_o.png?_nc_cat=0&oh=f3a4104bf1a344ffc13b75ce6e34ed1b&oe=5BB4794F)
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Not seeing anything to make me regret buying the Foundry versions before they were discontinued... :?
The one of Wulf on the skimmer is pretty neat though, but the rest are distinctly meh...
Still, early days, maybe we'll get some Kreelers and a tanketto to recreate the great mutant uprising!
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Not seeing anything to make me regret buying the Foundry versions before they were discontinued... :?
The one of Wulf on the skimmer is pretty neat though, but the rest are distinctly meh...
Still, early days, maybe we'll get some Kreelers and a tanketto to recreate the great mutant uprising!
That, that, and THAT with a vengeance!
The Gronk is adorable, but the other figures somehow all look like they were photographed from a bad angle.
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Wulf skipped a leg day in the gym and changing angle wont help him much..
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The old Citadel versions are miles better.
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It's not just me then, pretty disappointed in these :(
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Looking at the picture above, there seems something off with Wulf's shoulder joints too. They remind me of the awkward posing that the old Wargames Factory multipart figures that Warlord now sell have. Not great... :?
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First off, the Gronk is cute.
The proportions and articulation of Wulf are seriously off. The legs look like Sam Worthington's in Avatar. To my knowledge Wulf is base human.
Johnny Alpha just looks odd.
Oh, and was Carlos having a bad day in 1988?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durham_Red (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durham_Red)
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I saw the thread and thought, "Oh bum, just after I'd bought the Foundry ones back when they were having a clearout."
Then I saw the models and thought, "Thank Jehovah's sandals I bought the Foundry ones back when they were having a clearout."
Great paintjobs, but those are some … questionable figures. Johnny Alpha looks 'meh' and something odd is happening to his right arm. But Wulf is just awful. Sculptors who actually study anatomy and plan their sculpts properly, with the proportions correctly measured and the skeletons posed in achievable positions, will be wondering what on earth happened here. What a sad sad way to release what could be a great game and great licence acquisition.
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I saw the thread and thought, "Oh bum, just after I'd bought the Foundry ones back when they were having a clearout."
Then I saw the models and thought, "Thank Jehovah's sandals I bought the Foundry ones back when they were having a clearout."
Brilliant! lol lol lol
You think they would show off the better figures first! If Strontium Dog is your main protagonist, surely he should be the best figure? There was a picture of a game in progress and the other figures didn't look any better!
I had heard that this was just the start and that Warlord were waiting for the Megacity One/Dredd TV show.
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Ive never seen those Foundry ones, but I would buy me Toby the Dog for sure :(
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I was looking again at the pictures. What is going on on these sculpts?.....
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a605/andymac2105/Mobile%20Uploads/A515C0BD-BBFC-4CF0-8A7A-E1D99F4C3EF0_zpslkcjoinr.jpg~original) (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/andymac2105/media/Mobile%20Uploads/A515C0BD-BBFC-4CF0-8A7A-E1D99F4C3EF0_zpslkcjoinr.jpg.html)
....I’ve marked areas in red that look weird to me! Wulf looks disjointed from the waist up and his right arm comes from his chest not shoulder, and Johnny’s arms don’t sit right! He’s missing lats from his shoulder to his arm on his left side and his right arm looks dislocated! :o
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Yeah, very glad I bought the Foundry ones. It's a shame, I was looking forward to these.
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I was really excited by this as a huge long time fan, but the miniatures look bloody awful! What a crying shame, I take it the foundry ones are long gone?
FFF
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I have to agree that the initial figures look a bit off and a bit naff, apart from the Gronk and Wulf on a skimmer. I'd like to see what they look like in reality though. Hopefully some of the other figures will be OK and will be compatible with the Foundry figs. I have the Foundry versions of Johnny, Wulf, Middenface etc but I could do with more bad guys. I could use any old SF figs I suppose but I'd rather have ones with that very distinctive Esquerra look.
I'm also hoping the rules will be good. From the preview pics they cover the very distinctive SD weaponry like time bombs.
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Whilst the miniatures don't look too terrible (mediocre at worst) they dont look amazing either which is a shame.
I still don't get the focus on Strontium Dog though. 2000 AD isnt crazy huge (its biggest export is Judge Dredd) so focusing on one of the lesser known series is odd.
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Whilst the miniatures don't look too terrible (mediocre at worst) they dont look amazing either which is a shame.
I still don't get the focus on Strontium Dog though. 2000 AD isnt crazy huge (its biggest export is Judge Dredd) so focusing on one of the lesser known series is odd.
I think it is an issue of playability, and maybe novelty. Judge Dredd has already been done (and not too badly, from a rules-based POV) by Mongoose, and that is probably still a bit of a saturated market.
The other "gaming-affine" series, such as the ABC Warriors, Nemesis the Warlock and Rogue Trooper, are all characterised by a strong disparity of power between the protagonists and antagonists, in a "Magnificent Seven" way - usually small, high-power groups vs. large numbers of mooks, which rarely translates into a fun and balanced game (in the way that the game is exciting, even if the outcome is expectable).
It's an issue which I've been struggling with ever since I started my 2000AD collection - Strontium Dog is IMHO the best-suited continuity for a game, mechanics-wise. You have more or less evenly-matched sides, or with not-too-pronounced disparities. It's essentially a Wild West shootout thing in space, and those were, AFAIK, rather popular in the recent past.
Furthermore, you have a more or less manageable scope - you'd be looking at roughly a dozen named protagonists, and twice or thrice that in opponents; skirmish game numbers, easily broken down into mould-making sets, and no huge and varied range of armies to be done.
It's obviously a personal perspective, but it's the reason I focused on SD exclusively over the last few years, in the hope that I would actually be able to get a game out of it. That, and you have much more leeway in press-ganging other manufacturers' minis.
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I think it is an issue of playability, and maybe novelty.
Yup, you've got any number of gaming scenarios based around the whole bounty hunter theme, with ambushes, terrified villagers, treasures, escapes, hostage rescue, huge gangs or small numbers of elite bad guys - whatever you want and however you want to play it.
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Whilst the miniatures don't look too terrible (mediocre at worst) they dont look amazing either which is a shame.
I still don't get the focus on Strontium Dog though. 2000 AD isnt crazy huge (its biggest export is Judge Dredd) so focusing on one of the lesser known series is odd.
I had heard that this was just the start and that Warlord were waiting for the Megacity One/Dredd TV show.
I think they are hoping of big things from the TV show!
I take it people have seen this....
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a605/andymac2105/Mobile%20Uploads/65CFF257-9CBF-4D95-97E8-09142FB06F44_zpsveyxofga.jpg~original) (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/andymac2105/media/Mobile%20Uploads/65CFF257-9CBF-4D95-97E8-09142FB06F44_zpsveyxofga.jpg.html)
....I see the proportions are getting better! ;) Again, not a big SD fan, but apparently the guy on the left is one of the characters from th strip and he’s supposed to look like that!
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I think they are hoping of big things from the TV show!
I take it people have seen this....
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a605/andymac2105/Mobile%20Uploads/65CFF257-9CBF-4D95-97E8-09142FB06F44_zpsveyxofga.jpg~original) (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/andymac2105/media/Mobile%20Uploads/65CFF257-9CBF-4D95-97E8-09142FB06F44_zpsveyxofga.jpg.html)
....I see the proportions are getting better! ;) Again, not a big SD fan, but apparently the guy on the left is one of the characters from th strip and he’s supposed to look like that!
That's interesting! Max Bubba's gang from "The Ragnarok Job". I guess the odd proportions won't hurt that much with some of the more wacky mutants, and I'll say this is what I was hoping for - the Foundry characters are pretty much spot-on, if a bit sedately-posed, but apart from Max Bubba and the Stix, there wasn't much of opposition in the range.
Also, that size looks promising - if that is a 25mm round base, the figures could match the rather tall Foundry figures in height.
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Yeah the mongoose stuff had weird long legged mutants. Just a 2000AD thing.
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Looks interesting. Can't see myself 'investing' in this but fortunately I know a chap who will...
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That would be me? ;D
I imagine I will buy one of everything, just hope that thecrules stack up...
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Latest figs, the Styx brothers. I think these look OK, maybe the best of the Warlord stuff so far.(https://i.imgur.com/ODczqJW.jpg)
I think the range has promise but I'd really like to know how the Warlord figs size compared to the old Foundry ones. I'd also like a look at the Johnny and Wulf figs. I'm convinced they will look better in the flesh than they do in Warlord's pics. It just wouldn't make sense to have poor sculpts of the lead characters.
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Yup, those sure are the Styx brothers, to a tee.
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Latest figs, the Styx brothers. I think these look OK, maybe the best of the Warlord stuff so far.(https://i.imgur.com/ODczqJW.jpg)
I think the range has promise but I'd really like to know how the Warlord figs size compared to the old Foundry ones. I'd also like a look at the Johnny and Wulf figs. I'm convinced they will look better in the flesh than they do in Warlord's pics. It just wouldn't make sense to have poor sculpts of the lead characters.
They look like hey are going to be in the 40mm scale range (based n the bases).
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I will buy those Styx bros just to use as strange Rogue Stars characters.
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Pre-orders now available on the Warlord site at:
https://store.warlordgames.com/collections/strontium-dog?utm_source=Warlord+Games+Newsletter&utm_campaign=5ecfb8daff-Warlord_Wednesday_News_%26_Hobby_27_June_2018&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b7e928b4ed-5ecfb8daff-132930805&mc_cid=5ecfb8daff&mc_eid=e90a8731a2
Some more figs I haven't seen yet. I think a starter set is definitely worth a punt but it would still be nice to see if the Warlord figs are noticeably bigger than the Foundry ones but that won't happen until someone outside of Warlord gets their hands on the figs. I have a feeling from what others have worked out on this thread and from a comment somewhere else on the web that the Warlord figs are 1:48 that they will be too big, maybe around 38mm. The Foundry figs are big but not that size.
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An interesting question is I noticed Warlord has dropped all the Judge Dredd stuff that was up there. Did they get rid of the range?
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An interesting question is I noticed Warlord has dropped all the Judge Dredd stuff that was up there. Did they get rid of the range?
They bought the license some time ago. So acquired the range from Mongoose.
They had a massive sale last year although were a bit cryptic in regards to their future plans for it. The suggestion was that some of it may live to see another day.
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IMHO i think a francise as cool as this requires a better sculptor... the idea is spot on but the excecution leaves a bit to be desired...
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The Mongoose Judge Dredd stuff (which I backed on KickStarter and received as it was ready over the course of a number of years*) is a bit like the Parson's egg - good in parts. The range 'obvious Judge Dredd' elements of the range was discontinued pretty quickly once Warlord acquired the 2000AD licence. More generic sci fi elements like the Citi-Def forces were sold, I think to Rebellion Miniatures.
Wouldn't be surprised if some of it came back at some stage but I'd not expect that for a while as I imagine Warlord wouldn't want to distract focus from Strontium Dog. Speaking of which, I think I'd apply the same eggy analogy to the SD stuff.
Interestingly, the dice and tokens are all '2000AD' branded which implies there may be other characters from the Galaxy's Greatest Comic incorporated into the one game system.
* No issues with that at all as the KS was to create the miniatures and not as a pre order. Good on Matthew Sprange of Mongoose to see through Kickstarter fulfilment even after Mongoose lost the licence. I understand he's done the same for Rogue Trooper.
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Its the doctor who game all over, was looking forward to this but given the scale (they could have made it and DW, 28mm and done so cross-marketing with their other ranges)will give it a miss.
I like the mongoose stuff but at the end of the day the citadel line will always have a place in my heart.
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Its the doctor who game all over, was looking forward to this but given the scale (they could have made it and DW, 28mm and done so cross-marketing with their other ranges)will give it a miss.
Baffles me why they do this. The vast majority of potential buyers have (large) existing terrain and miniatures collections. Putting stuff out so out of kilter with existing ranges puts off potential buyers.
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Baffles me why they do this. The vast majority of potential buyers have (large) existing terrain and miniatures collections. Putting stuff out so out of kilter with existing ranges puts off potential buyers.
The obvious reasom is that you have to buy their figures, you cannot use other manufacturers' ranges or re-use your existimg stuff.
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The obvious reasom is that you have to buy their figures, you cannot use other manufacturers' ranges or re-use your existimg stuff.
I get that but it just means I don't buy into the range at all. GW Inquisitor, Lord of the Rings, Warlord Dr Who, all no-go for me because of the different scales. Rather than selling me a few boxes of Dr Whos or Daleks to use with my existing minis they get nothing.
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The obvious reasom is that you have to buy their figures, you cannot use other manufacturers' ranges or re-use your existimg stuff.
I get that but it just means I don't buy into the range at all. GW Inquisitor, Lord of the Rings, Warlord Dr Who, all no-go for me because of the different scales. Rather than selling me a few boxes of Dr Whos or Daleks to use with my existing minis they get nothing.
It's probably just a business move, weighing off potential sales of a delineated product vs. goodwill of existing potential buyers.
That said, I still hope that the figures will be roughly all right. I'm a bit worried about that "Laser-Cut MDF bases" line - if those are 30mm bases, the figures will be huge, but if they are 25mm, they might just work out. Having now seen the initial release, I must say that I quite like all the figures except for Johnny and Wulf - a shame, obviously, for messing up the two main heroes that ignominiously, but all the others look decent enough with good likenesses, and those skimmers are great in my book.
I'll probably get that release bundle and hope for the best. Really hoping for Mutant Guerillas, Kreelers and a Tanketto, still.
One more thing, though - I wonder how many people actually got into the Foundry range at all? I've got almost all the figures, but I am nuts anyway and was always under the impression that it was more than niche, at least partly due to the fact that the figures were rather on the tall side and the whole thing more of a collector's venture rather than a proper gaming range regarding the choice of subjects.
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I measured my Foundry Johnny Alpha last night and he's quite tall, much taller than I realised, at about 35mm. So he might just be compatible with the Warlord sculpts, it will depend on how big they actually are. I'm not sold on the Warlord Johnny and Wulf so the only Foundry figures I'd need to match would be those.
Another issue is how big the Warlord figures will be compared to terrain. I've got a set of the excellent Battle Systems Galactic terrain and I'm thinking of buying an Outlands set as it'd be ideal for Strontium Dog (see http://shop.battlesystems.co.uk/outlands-set-84-p.asp).
If the Warlord figures are very big then I'd agree with some of the other posters that it is a negative move as it prevents gamers using figures and terrain from their existing collections. I also don't like the way the figures are marketed. So far you can only get Johhny, Wulf and the Max Bubba gang as part of the starter set and Johnny with electronux only with the rulebook. It would be nice if all of the figure sets were available separately but at a higher price. The cost of the figures is also quite high but at least you don't have to buy too many of them.
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I managed to get hold of the old Heroclix Johnny and Wulf. So I might try the ruleset with those figures.
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There's still no clear indication of the size of the new Strontium Dog figures so I tried doing a crude photo comparison; The image I made below isn't perfect but I think it shows that the Strontium Dog humans could be similar in size to the Gates of Antares figures. This coupled by a quote from Paul Sawyer on the Warlord forum where he describes the Strontium Dog figs as heroic 28mm (https://www.warlordgames.com/community/topic/the-doghouse-is-opening-for-business/)
(https://i.imgur.com/JiH3oVM.jpg)
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The old Citadel versions are miles better.
Damn right! Sadly I missed the Foundry sellout, because these don't push my buttons.
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Art appreciation is subjctive and nostalgia is a heck of a thing, but in no way am I going to agree that Citadel’s JD stuff was better thqn Mongoose or Foundry.
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I don't think the figures look that bad. They look like they've been painted by duffers, I wonder what he thinks of them.
I might give the starter set a go
What I am amazed at is why they didn't look at Rogue Trooper as a game. The only thing I can think of is that they had their fingers burnt with the mass combat terminator game and wanted to test the water with the SD setting. Still, rogue Trooper would be fantastic as a game.
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The more I see the more its growing on me. With the exception of Johnny, Wulf and Red the figures do look ok, so maybe things won't be too bad after all.
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IMHO i think a francise as cool as this requires a better sculptor... the idea is spot on but the excecution leaves a bit to be desired...
I agree. These all leave me a bit cold if honest.
Edit: re size/scale
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0288/8306/products/642215006-Strontium-Dog-The-Weerdz-01_3f15a927-fbbb-48b6-84be-cee89928d901.jpg?v=1530100735)
Base 25mm?
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So.... Up for preorder but Warlord is unwilling to tell you what you're actually getting scale-wise? You could be preordering 28's, 1:48, 54mm, or 1:6 scale figures? Is this the kindergarten of orders? You get what you get and you don't pitch a fit?
Seems a funny way to sell a game, decidedly mediocre miniatures attached to scale that no one traditionally uses. I love me some SD but not enough to go running to a new scale and building new terrain. Just not happening with my hobby dollars.
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Preorders have shipped (I bought the lot), so will be able to provide some size info soon...
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Preorders have shipped (I bought the lot), so will be able to provide some size info soon...
Thank you in advance. It will be very helpful.
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This is on sale at Bovington today, tempted to get it, rules as far as I can tell is chips being pulled from bag like bolt action, the main characters get more chips than the lower ones so have more chance of doing stuff, minis look standard 28mm heroic scale, cards are used for special actions
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There is now an unofficial Facebook group for the game. This image was posted there recently and ot shows that the SD figs ( or at least Johnny) are compatible with Warlord's Gates of Antares figs (and tjerefore probably the old Foundry 2000AD range).
(http://i.imgur.com/9Cgxd26.jpg)
The group is closed so you have to ask to join and is called the Dog House. It looks both interesting and useful.
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Johny apart I have to say that those Antares models looks great, I am always put down by producer paintjobs and Ive newer seen any in flesh...
I am not interest in playing Antares but was looking at some mini but Warlord photos just look unappealing to me.
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The Antares stuff looks better than the Strontium Dog.
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Johny apart I have to say that those Antares models looks great, I am always put down by producer paintjobs and Ive newer seen any in flesh...
I am not interest in playing Antares but was looking at some mini but Warlord photos just look unappealing to me.
I'm a Gates dabbler who mostly uses their figs for other games, but you can see some figs painted up over on my blog:
http://brokenstarsburningships.blogspot.com/
Pretty enthusiastic about the range as a whole, although some appeal to me more than others.
On topic, yeesh, Durham Red is not what I envisioned when I read the Dan Abnett novels.
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This image was posted there recently and ot shows that the SD figs ( or at least Johnny) are compatible with Warlord's Gates of Antares figs (and tjerefore probably the old Foundry 2000AD range).
The group is closed so you have to ask to join and is called the Dog House. It looks both interesting and useful.
Thank you.
Do you have a link for the group?
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Picked up my copy of the starter set, goons and stick brothers today, figures are tall will post a comparison with mongoose stuff later
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Mongoose minis second from left and second from right
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Nice one Warlord, and thank you for the comparison pic.
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Didn't want to make a new thread for this since it's a bit of non news so far, but I figured it would be worth mentioning here, anyway Duncan Jones is teasing a 2000AD movie, probably Rogue Trooper
http://www.darkhorizons.com/duncan-jones-teases-rogue-trooper/
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Do the figures have an integral circular base?
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I saw Duncan Jones tweet about it this morning, really looking forward to this if it happens
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Awesome - an instant 'must see'.
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What happened to the rogue trooper range?
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What happened to the rogue trooper range?
Warlord has withdrawn them for now. But with rumours of a film they may see the light of day again.
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@ Olyreed - thanks for the pic, that really helps.
Looks like the new figs are a pretty good match for the Mongoose ones, which I was always happy to mix with the Foundry figures so that should give a nice amount of flexibility. The only one I still have doubts about is Wulf with his broken shoulder, but otherwise I am more tempted by these than I thought I would be.
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Managed to get some paint on Johnny Alpha
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Really happy with my boxset.... lovely rulebook, well done Andy.... cool system..... unboxing vids i found today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S25SroS2g8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYDdyRE2VBo
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Some interesting new sets up for pre-order, Darkuss's Howlers and second string SD agents, plus a build-a-mutie box:
https://store.warlordgames.com/collections/strontium-dog/products/strontium-dog-build-a-mutie
I'm slowly coming round to this a bit more, but as I will never play the game itself, I wish the figures were available separately.
Oh, well. That's what eBay was invented for I guess...
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Some interesting new sets up for pre-order, Darkuss's Howlers and second string SD agents, plus a build-a-mutie box:
https://store.warlordgames.com/collections/strontium-dog/products/strontium-dog-build-a-mutie
I'm slowly coming round to this a bit more, but as I will never play the game itself, I wish the figures were available separately.
Oh, well. That's what eBay was invented for I guess...
I wonder if we can help each other out then. I have quite a few figures so was looking for a way to get just the cards. The Stixx brothers for example, I have the Foundry and Heroclix ones. So, if boxes were bought we could split the figures and cards. PM me if this is of any interest.
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I'll have a wee think about that buddy, may be worth doing after pay day.
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I got my starter set today. Here are some comparison pics of the Warlord figs compared with the old Wargames Foundry ones. The Foundry figs are those on the left. The last pic shows a Warlord Gates of Antares fig compared to the Warlord Johnny.
In general the Foundry figs are MUCH bigger and I don't think they are very compatible:
(http://i.imgur.com/lZ358ia.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/zqKxgMz.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/DDDdKJy.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/1RO72iD.jpg)
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Thank you so much for posting these pictures. You don’t have by chance some old citadel 2000 AD minis handy? I would love to see how these compare to my collection. Probably the Citadel minis are even smaller than the new Warlord minis.
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I sold my old Citadel judge Dredd figs last year as they were a lot smaller than my Warlord judges. I think the Warlord SD figs would definitely be bigger as they are fairly close in size to the old Warlord/Mongoose Judge Dredd figures.
If you have an old Citadel Johnny and Wulf then you might get away with mixing them with the new figs, especially because many of these are mutants.
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Thanks. Indeed I have the old Johnny, Wulf & Gronk and cherish them dearly. Anyway, if the new line is carefully supported, I might buy in anyway!
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Got my stuff today - one of everything.
The figures are very nice. Some are better than their Foundry equivalents (though smaller), and more dynamic. Heaps of fine detail. The negative commentary is misplaced in my view.
The rules look good as well. Genuine, high detail skirmish game with only a handful of figures per side. The game cards are also very attractive.
I have commented negatively on another of Warlord's games, but this is a high quality release and very respectful of the IP.
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I caved in and have ordered the bundle and second wave, who can resist SD...Drok ;D
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https://soundcloud.com/whatsabattlepodcastnetwork/the-official-warlord-games-podcast-episode-5-strontium-dog
Good chat on the rules for those wanting more before buying
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That podcast hints pretty heavily that Slaine is the next game they are working on for this new system.
Seems like Dredd and Rogue are waiting for the TV show and movie first.
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That podcast hints pretty heavily that Slaine is the next game they are working on for this new system.
Seems like Dredd and Rogue are waiting for the TV show and movie first.
Dammit I only really care about Rogue Trooper. I'm really curious whether they'll play it as a skirmish game or an army game.Might even go for a Saga/Early 40k esque 'Large Skirmish game.
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I managed to get a quick game on the Warlord demo table yesterday at Claymore Wargames Show in Edinburgh. I must say I quite enjoyed it. For me, it seems that it’s just Bolt Action with less figures. Same activation system and dice. A bit more detailed.
The starter set seemed good. As well as the figures, you got counters and some terrain. Everything you need in one go.
If they expand to other 2000ad properties, I could probably see myself getting this.
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This looks so tempting.
I hope they do a Bad Company game too.
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Seems like Dredd and Rogue are waiting for the TV show and movie first.
Tv show? Movie? What the heck did I miss? When? Where?
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ALL the games companies that have tried to implement rogue trooper have mnissed the simple fact that the game is a BUG HUNT, or a ZOMBIE CRAWL.
Nu Earth is dangerous. It will kill a regular human in an instant. A leak in your suit and you are dead. That makes Rogue (and the other GIs) EXTREMELY effective. SO you have a small number of GIs (maybe even 1) against a very large number of Norts. OR you have units of Norts against Southers. Either way, it will be brutal, losses will be VERY high. A game of one figure wading through dozens of others can be very boring, so you need to do something engaging and innovative in the rules to make this playable.
And yet the games company continue to make the 'specialist' models - rogue, other GIs and yet very very few Norts!!
Its like Making a hundred English Archer variants and one French Knight model and trying to refight Agincourt.
I remember proof reading the rules that mongoose put out and making the point that they had utterly ignored the environment and all the troops were getting "armour saves". I was told - bluntly and quite rudely - that I was wrong, and the sides needed to be balanced! At that point (and after seeing some of the awful inital sculpts that were previewed) I quit the kickstarter because this just wasn't Rogue Trooper.
What rogue trooper NEEDS is the next company to make ONE rogue figure and LOTS AND LOTS of NORTS and a Good number of Southers. Scammels, sentinels pill boxes etc all good, but you need a large variety.
Thinking that you'll launch a game by making all the unique characters first may work for branding but no one buys 50 rogues. They'll buy 2-3. Then expecting them to make up their opposition by buying and converting other peoples figures because you dont make them is misguided and a shockingly unsuccessful business model.
If you dont have the NU earth enviornment and recognise the effect it has on the gsame, then you mayt as well play any othe rsci-fi game (40k is NOT sci-fi ... but that's a separate rant!)
On the Strontium Dog front, the issue here is that the story lends itself to skirmish gaming but as well as a range of mutants you need lots of civilians / militia / military types in the same style. Luckily here there is a lot of visual similarity between Mega City civilians and style and Sd, and generic SF civilians would do well here.
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I agree especially in so far as many customers are simply flooded with games nowadays. I do not know what to play and need serious motivation to try a new one.
There are good mass-combat, mass-skirmish, skirmishers on the market. What is still poorly captured is the special atmosphere of certain settings.
FFG currently makes this error again by producing a Star Wars tabletop that has very little Star Wars (speak: Jedi vs. hordes of enemies, small commando action or HUGE mass battles in in but rather copies the business model of GW).
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The problem is that games companies make money when they sell something, not when you play it.
So to keep the company going they need to sell more. New rules and modules are expensive to produce but in today's e-market don't have a high profit margin. New models are relatively cheap but require that you sell lots of them. Hence what start out as skirmish games become bigger and bigger.
In some cases that's not a problem. I'd like to play rogue trooper or johnny alpha in small scale skirmishes or covert ops, and then the following week refight the quartz zone massacre with hundreds of figures (or the british mutant rebellion in SD). But doing both with the same ruleset is often unworkable.
However to do either you need lots of consistent models for the 'other side'. Despite 4-5 companies having the rogue licence I don't think there have been more than 20(?) general Nort models produced?? and they don't scale well together. Even fewer Southers.
In many instances you can use generic sci-fi for your bad guys when taking something from literature. However taking something from a comic means there is a strong visual style already established. The defining characteristics of a Nort are: Twin eye holes in a fabric hood, breather tubes, back pack air tank, tight jumpsuit, recognisable gun. If it was only a case of swapping heads to get the hood/mask then i'm sure people would convert. But the Norts have the full whammy. You have to be seriously into this to sculpt/convert all those features on a generic body. The norts practically REQUIRE someone to sculpt and sell them in volume.
I am sure mongoose and others will decry that their sales volumes haven't been high enough to fund the volume of models that they would need to make. My argument would be that if they had delivered something that was worthy of and true to the license, they wouldn't have driven so many supporters away.
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There is always the hope that if there is a Rogue Trooper game that it comes with plastic multi-part Norts and Southers.
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ALL the games companies that have tried to implement rogue trooper have mnissed the simple fact that the game is a BUG HUNT, or a ZOMBIE CRAWL.
Nu Earth is dangerous. It will kill a regular human in an instant. A leak in your suit and you are dead. That makes Rogue (and the other GIs) EXTREMELY effective. SO you have a small number of GIs (maybe even 1) against a very large number of Norts. OR you have units of Norts against Southers. Either way, it will be brutal, losses will be VERY high. A game of one figure wading through dozens of others can be very boring, so you need to do something engaging and innovative in the rules to make this playable.
And yet the games company continue to make the 'specialist' models - rogue, other GIs and yet very very few Norts!!
Its like Making a hundred English Archer variants and one French Knight model and trying to refight Agincourt.
I remember proof reading the rules that mongoose put out and making the point that they had utterly ignored the environment and all the troops were getting "armour saves". I was told - bluntly and quite rudely - that I was wrong, and the sides needed to be balanced! At that point (and after seeing some of the awful inital sculpts that were previewed) I quit the kickstarter because this just wasn't Rogue Trooper.
What rogue trooper NEEDS is the next company to make ONE rogue figure and LOTS AND LOTS of NORTS and a Good number of Southers. Scammels, sentinels pill boxes etc all good, but you need a large variety.
Thinking that you'll launch a game by making all the unique characters first may work for branding but no one buys 50 rogues. They'll buy 2-3. Then expecting them to make up their opposition by buying and converting other peoples figures because you dont make them is misguided and a shockingly unsuccessful business model.
If you dont have the NU earth enviornment and recognise the effect it has on the gsame, then you mayt as well play any othe rsci-fi game (40k is NOT sci-fi ... but that's a separate rant!)
On the Strontium Dog front, the issue here is that the story lends itself to skirmish gaming but as well as a range of mutants you need lots of civilians / militia / military types in the same style. Luckily here there is a lot of visual similarity between Mega City civilians and style and Sd, and generic SF civilians would do well here.
SD and the new 2000AD system is designed to do just that. A hero or two against loads of goons or a balanced fight. The Cool stat and stars on action chits let heroes do more though bad planning can ruin your day. So this new system would do Rogue like the comics with small skirmishes really well. Almost all of the Rogue fights in the comics were rather tiny fights or fights against some giant machine.
I would prefer a Rogue Trooper that was more battles against Norts and Southers with vehicles, flyers, etc rather than Rogue vs everyone, however.
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Tv show? Movie? What the heck did I miss? When? Where?
TV show is Megacity 1 in the works right now.
Movie for Rogue is being scripted with Duncan Jones talked up as director.
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Well, I caved and bought the lot - I've thrown myself deep into 40K this year and started selling a lot of my other stuff off, so this will make for a nice change of pace at the painting table and give me a bit of a break from the grimdark :D
Just need to grab some terrain now, ready for it to arrive - any recommendations for MDF terrain that would suit?
Also, does anybody know how well these would scale to Foundry's Street Violence range and Copplestone's Future Wars? I've been eyeing up those ranges for years, it'd be great if I could fit a few into this project :o
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@tjgreenway I don't have any recommendations for MDF buildings but the Battle Systems Shanty Town set, which is made of thick card is ideal for this game. See photo below from a game I recently played. The gaming mat is also from this set.
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/--qUZxiVKnb4/W4FP5RVanYI/AAAAAAAAQTg/5yE0T8PNfOwa0WGTqJ9vV69QsBllhPAogCLcBGAs/s640/Scenario%2B001%2BPic%2B02.jpg)
As for the Foundry Street Violence and Copplestone Future Wars figures I'd say, yes, they will fit in well with the Warlord Games figures.
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For MDF buildings etc take a look through the Sarissa site. Lots of kits, destroyed, Sci-fi etc.
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Martin who runs Dragonfrog games is working on some Sci-fi buildings. They aren't in his catalogue yet but you could ask him for details.
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For scatter terrain I'd recommend the LAF's own Oshiro Model Terrain. The new sci-fi range is spot on for this. I have a load of their Japanese stuff and it's excellent quality.
Ainsty are also well worth a look.
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Cheers guys - I ended up going with Zen Terrain and BPLaser, but I think I'll use Sarissa to fill out the collection, always been impressed by their product and pricing :D
Now I just can't wait for all my stuff to arrive, it's going to be a very long week or so :o
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIIGdZ_TmPM
At last warlord releases a demo play thou....