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Title: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).pictures added 26/03
Post by: tin shed gamer on July 28, 2018, 12:07:42 AM
Okay here we go...

Recently for fun I accepted the challenge to make an armoured train (amongst others).From the usual limited list of basic every day items.
For this challenge it's  cereal packet card ,cocktail sticks,and very little else.
 
Now the deal was add some pictures of the train you'd like to see and I'll take a crack it.. Due to the butterfly nature of the hobby. The images haven't appeared. As I'm a man of my word . I'm ready to start this project on Monday evening. So I've two options either make one up as I go. Or ask you chaps to post some picture of a period train you'd like to have a crack at (challenge was for a tutorial) .
Any ideas?
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).
Post by: Byblos on July 28, 2018, 11:05:40 AM
Hi !

I love this one :

(https://i97.servimg.com/u/f97/13/09/54/58/armour10.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/13095458/2536)
(https://i97.servimg.com/u/f97/13/09/54/58/kerens10.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/13095458/2538)
(https://i97.servimg.com/u/f97/13/09/54/58/partis10.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/13095458/2537)

It's an Bolchevik AT on the Finland front, captured by the Finns, and used later by the Germans
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).
Post by: FramFramson on July 28, 2018, 07:33:48 PM
That's a nice change from the usual boxy Soviet ones.
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).
Post by: YPU on July 28, 2018, 07:55:56 PM
Indeed, I really like it!
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).
Post by: tin shed gamer on July 29, 2018, 07:52:01 AM
Byblos,

Nice choice( surprised you've not built one yourself.)

It's a lot less complicated than it looks. So a tutorial isn't going to cause people to throw things at walls if they try it. In fact looking at the photographs. I don't actually see the need to even make wheels for a table top version.

Only issue I have is the line drawing as it contradicts the photographs . Do you know of any better pictures of the engine and tender? As the line drawing seems to be of a completely different one.


Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).
Post by: Byblos on July 29, 2018, 09:54:16 AM
Byblos,

Nice choice( surprised you've not built one yourself.)

i will make this one later  ;)

But sorry no more pictures about this AT or his engine  :?
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).
Post by: YPU on July 29, 2018, 01:07:53 PM
A quick google search popped up this one for me, I think its the same?

(http://s1.hostingkartinok.com/uploads/images/2015/03/67c1fc1c11c89b11e2e5f7289677cf10.jpg)
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).
Post by: Byblos on July 29, 2018, 01:17:39 PM
Yes it's another point of  view from the first picture i think
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).
Post by: YPU on July 29, 2018, 02:40:06 PM
Yes it's another point of  view from the first picture i think

I thought that as well at first, but the fence at the top of the embarkment seems to be missing? It might just be hidden due to a trick of perspective. In any case, more pictures!
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).
Post by: tin shed gamer on July 29, 2018, 06:55:51 PM
It took less than five minutes. Of half bothered hang over searching. ;D

Between this one,and the one's already posted . There's enough info for an educated guess/ bluffing.
 
If your intent on build this train(Byblos) then I'll happily build another one. I've no actual preference as to which style of train I make. Or are you just after me doing all the leg work,so you can avoid the pit falls. lol
I'm quite happy to build this one,if that's of interest to anyone.


Mark.
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).
Post by: Byblos on July 29, 2018, 07:02:03 PM
You could built this one Mark !

That could be very interesting , and i will follow this work with pleasure  :)
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).
Post by: tin shed gamer on July 29, 2018, 07:12:43 PM
I'll start tomorrow   :D
But don't be expecting too much. As I've  Stav training tomorrow evening.( likely to get my arse handed to me by the nordic ninjas. But that's why her majesty insisted I learn to shoot straight  lol)

Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).
Post by: Byblos on July 29, 2018, 08:03:19 PM
Hi Mark , excuse me but : what is Stav !?
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).
Post by: YPU on July 29, 2018, 08:20:18 PM
that last one does show the engine a lot better, I'm quite curious to see what you come up with mate!
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).
Post by: tin shed gamer on July 29, 2018, 11:36:26 PM
YPU.
I was rather hoping for an armoured train model lol 

Byblos,

It's a European martial art in the Norwegian tradition. (spear ,staff,axe and knife. The first two I truly suck at  lol but the close quarter I can hold my own with.)
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).
Post by: Byblos on July 30, 2018, 10:24:19 AM
Thanks Mark  ;)
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).
Post by: YPU on July 30, 2018, 11:50:56 AM
YPU.
I was rather hoping for an armoured train model lol 

That's what they all say, but before you know it you are declaring yourself king of the railroad kingdom of new Shangri La out god knows where!
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).
Post by: tin shed gamer on August 01, 2018, 11:42:44 PM
I'll pop a quick up date picture over the next couple of days. As I've decided its more time friendly to build and photograph the whole thing before I post a tutorial rather than a 'WIP' tutorial .

Mark.
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).
Post by: FramFramson on August 02, 2018, 03:02:33 AM
"Editing"? What sort of rot is that?! lol
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).
Post by: tin shed gamer on August 02, 2018, 08:13:15 PM
Just for you Fram,  lol
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).
Post by: FramFramson on August 02, 2018, 09:34:45 PM
 lol

Already on a roll (with mustard), I see...
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).
Post by: Byblos on August 02, 2018, 09:56:32 PM
Wow ! Very interesting beginning !
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).
Post by: tin shed gamer on August 03, 2018, 01:02:57 AM
Slightly more than a beginning. The engine is undercoated,and I'm building these in tandom.
As usual it's  twenty four hours maximum. I'm roughly eight hours in.
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).
Post by: SABOT on August 04, 2018, 10:54:56 PM
Cracking! 😁
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).
Post by: tin shed gamer on August 05, 2018, 10:32:27 AM
One last teaser,then its nose to the grindstone until after Partizan.

Detailing bits ,and wheel bead to be added at this stage in the picture. But this is pretty much the boring part of the train done.

Mark.


(forgot to mention it's finished  :D)
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).
Post by: marianas_gamer on August 05, 2018, 11:00:20 AM
Wow! Love it! :-* :-*
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).
Post by: Byblos on August 05, 2018, 11:12:31 AM
 :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).
Post by: FramFramson on August 05, 2018, 06:39:21 PM
I'm chuffed.  lol
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).
Post by: Andym on August 05, 2018, 07:47:57 PM
Still can’t get over what you can do with just card! :o :o :o
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).
Post by: Sir Rodney Ffing on August 06, 2018, 08:58:48 AM
Bloody hell TSG, is that really card? Astonishing!
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).
Post by: tin shed gamer on August 08, 2018, 11:02:25 PM
 lol
Yes it is, There's an idea's/challenge thread over on the workbench. With other bits of cereal packet silliness(if you haven't come across the builds before)
Plus there's also a list of challenge builds to see me through till Christmas. Which includes the armoured train.
Andy,and Fram have volunteered a couple of ideas,and I'm an idiot so ....
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).
Post by: FramFramson on August 09, 2018, 12:39:47 AM
Oh great, what did I do now?  lol
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).
Post by: stormbird on February 05, 2019, 06:20:32 PM
TSG

Yes I know this is an old thread ?

But not quite dead ?

Did you ever finish any wagons for your excellent train ?

regards Paul
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).
Post by: tin shed gamer on February 05, 2019, 09:22:48 PM
Paul
I did finish it around the middle of October . Then got sidetracked with an mdf church. Its finished off being too long to photograph in the light box . I'll be posting pictures later in the year as I'm going to use one of the wagons for a Home guard themed game. As a railway coastal battery( unless I find the time to make a more authentic one or the civillian train I've been promising for years.)
There is a 'tales from the tin shed' thread over on the workbench that covers the build upto the undercoating of the first gun carriage/car (since they're both more or less the same it should give you an idea.) Ended some time in September I think. As the idea for the Home front stuff took off.
But I will take some pictures once its warm enough to set it up outside.
Mark.
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).
Post by: stormbird on February 06, 2019, 07:36:01 AM
TSG

Thanks for taking the time to answer , I will hot foot it over to the other thread.

regards Paul
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).
Post by: tin shed gamer on March 26, 2019, 01:35:16 PM
 lol well it's warm enough today. So here it is.
Although I've still static grass and texture to add to the brambles.
Mark.

Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).pictures added 26/03
Post by: Byblos on March 26, 2019, 01:41:29 PM
Hooooo nice  :-*
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).pictures added 26/03
Post by: Dashetal on March 26, 2019, 04:08:27 PM
Came out quite well.  Now you're going to have to eat more cereal so you can build additional rolling stock.  :D
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).pictures added 26/03
Post by: gamer Mac on March 26, 2019, 04:14:33 PM
Lovely little scene :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
A lot of nice work,I take it, it is all your own stuff?
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).pictures added 26/03
Post by: marianas_gamer on March 26, 2019, 07:42:49 PM
The wait was worth it  :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).pictures added 26/03
Post by: Storm Wolf on March 26, 2019, 08:24:30 PM
Absolutely bloody-marvelous, sheer cereal cardy genius :-*
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).pictures added 26/03
Post by: FramFramson on March 27, 2019, 01:25:11 AM
That's when the Tin Shed oeuvre gets truly impressive, when you look upon an entire table of scenery knowing it's pretty much all made from cereal packet card.
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).pictures added 26/03
Post by: tin shed gamer on March 27, 2019, 02:51:44 PM
Sorry it took so long to update.

Yes its all me , with the minor exception being that the warehouse/factory started life as a knackered second hand Metcalfe HO card building thats been tweaked and rescaled to 28mm. It was an exercise in scale compression.
As its possible to get five rows rescaled card terraced houses for the price of one mdf row of three house's( £5.99 per row in HO card and £30+ for a 28mm mdf row.)
The track is card on a piece of wood. The traction engine is cereal packet as is the pawn brokers.
The railway station (not finished is completely card too.)
Will take it upto 1.3m of track which is enough for my immediate needs.
The rest of the town/ village is made and in various stages of paint. So by summer it should be ready for a full outing .
Unless I end up making another airfield( sold the last one) or a civilian train.

Mark.
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).pictures added 26/03
Post by: Michi on March 27, 2019, 03:36:10 PM
You're a wizard when it comes to cardboard magic! Excellent model!
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).pictures added 26/03
Post by: Ignatieff on March 27, 2019, 04:51:25 PM
ooooooh, so nice.  You can never have too many armoured trains...
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).pictures added 26/03
Post by: Andym on March 28, 2019, 07:03:13 AM
That's when the Tin Shed oeuvre gets truly impressive, when you look upon an entire table of scenery knowing it's pretty much all made from cereal packet card.

That's what outs him a level above all us mere mortals! :o
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).pictures added 26/03
Post by: DintheDin on March 28, 2019, 10:07:05 AM
This is one of the best uses of cereal packet card I've seen! Great job! Congrats!
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).pictures added 26/03
Post by: tin shed gamer on March 30, 2019, 09:28:15 AM
 lol steady on.
You do know I just make this up as I go along ;)

I've decided I'll have to do a civilian train to. Having recovered from seeing the prices of O gauge . The wisest option ( which still allows me to eat and avoid being divorced/ murdered.) Is to carry on and build it from card.
I was contemplating the 517 class locomotives. As they've a service history that would cover both my VSF inclinations and my Ealing board.( which is what I'm plodding on with.) Admittedly it would be elderly by the 1930's. But if memory serves the last one was scrapped after 70 years of service.
Plus I'm never going to use more than 4ft of track.  But I don't want to build another box on wheels such as a saddle tank engine.
Also I've just re watched 'Oh Mister Porter' which is pretty much the inspiration for the look of my railway stuff.
Other than walking many of the results of Mr Beachams musings I'm not in the least familiar with steam railways.
So if you've any idea's on a locomotive that has the feel of the bigger trains(as I woud like to be able to move it at least its own length on a 4ft table.)which isn't a locomotive with a full length saddle tank. As I don't want to build another box. ( the armoured train is just three pretty boxes.)
I'd love to hear them plus a pic wouldn't harm ( so I can at least pretend to know what your talking about ;) )
Mark.
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).pictures added 26/03
Post by: von Lucky on March 30, 2019, 12:09:21 PM
No idea for your request, but those are some pretty boxes.
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).pictures added 26/03
Post by: FramFramson on March 30, 2019, 04:39:22 PM
lol steady on.
You do know I just make this up as I go along ;)

Don't we all!  lol

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I've decided I'll have to do a civilian train to. Having recovered from seeing the prices of O gauge . The wisest option ( which still allows me to eat and avoid being divorced/ murdered.) Is to carry on and build it from card.
I was contemplating the 517 class locomotives. As they've a service history that would cover both my VSF inclinations and my Ealing board.( which is what I'm plodding on with.) Admittedly it would be elderly by the 1930's. But if memory serves the last one was scrapped after 70 years of service.
Plus I'm never going to use more than 4ft of track.  But I don't want to build another box on wheels such as a saddle tank engine.
Also I've just re watched 'Oh Mister Porter' which is pretty much the inspiration for the look of my railway stuff.
Other than walking many of the results of Mr Beachams musings I'm not in the least familiar with steam railways.
So if you've any idea's on a locomotive that has the feel of the bigger trains(as I woud like to be able to move it at least its own length on a 4ft table.)which isn't a locomotive with a full length saddle tank. As I don't want to build another box. ( the armoured train is just three pretty boxes.)
I'd love to hear them plus a pic wouldn't harm ( so I can at least pretend to know what your talking about ;) )
Mark.

How did you come to look at O gauge? From the pieces I've seen O gauge is FAR too large for 28mm. I prefer S gauge myself, but others prefer ON30, which is sort of S-gauge-y in terms of train size, but uses HO scale track. (IMO S gauge is perfect for rails, you can stand a miniature on a modest base between the rails without tilting - something you can't do with HO scale).

Mind you, S-gauge is prohibitively expensive as well, but it seems to at least be bang-on in terms of "looks right" scale for 28mm figures.
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).pictures added 26/03
Post by: FramFramson on March 30, 2019, 04:46:39 PM
Oh and as for trains, You'd best decide if you're going to go with one locomotive or two.

With two, you can do a short-haul 0-3-0 tank engine without tender (a la Thomas) and a longer express/freight model, perhaps on a 2-4-0, 1-4-0, or 1-4-1 design, with a tender (there are larger, but then half your table length would be loco!). 

If you're just doing one, a compromise is something like a medium-haul 1-3-0 or 1-3-1 setup, either with a longer built-in coal bin (tank-engine style again, just a bit elongated) or the sort with a half-length tender.

If you're baffled as to what I'm referring to with those numbers by the way, that's the nomenclature for locomotive wheel configuration, with left to right reading front to back of one side. So a "2-3-1" would indicate an engine with two small wheels forward of the driving wheels, three large drive wheels, and one small wheel under the cab.
Title: Re: Armoured Train( to be in cereal packet card).pictures added 26/03
Post by: marianas_gamer on March 30, 2019, 11:54:46 PM
Mark,
Michi is your man for all things train related. He has substantial knowledge in the subject and has done some pretty mind blowing lay outs
Lon.