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Miniatures Adventure => Fantasy Adventures => Topic started by: Lord Ekard on August 02, 2018, 05:30:18 PM
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Fireforge Games is proud to announce a new big project:
Forgotten World, a new range of fantasy models in hard plastic multi-part 28mm scale highly customizable
WHY KICKSTARTER?
Fireforge Games has not enough resources to release togheter all the new fantasy kits, so we will ask for the help of all hobbysts to bring on the wargame and roleplay market these new figures. The campaign will be launched probably during September and we would like to show the preview of the kickstarter page during august. The release of the models if the project will be a success, should be for april-may 2019.
If the campaign will be a success, Fireforge Games has plans to release a lot more new ranges for the fantasy line.
THE MODELS
This campaign will search funds to release 2 factions: The Northmen and The Living Dead, each faction will receive 3 different hard plastic multi-part kit
The material
Plastic models will be in hard plastic (or HIPS, that it is NOT pvc plastic), is the exactly same plastic used by companies like Games Workshop, Perry Miniatures and other companies. It is the best that someone can offer for your models. Our company from birth, has always offered the best in materials. The plastic used for our kits will be made in EU, under our quality control. We avoided the production in China because we were not satisfied by the quality of the Hard Plastic offered (for example plastic HIPS lances made in china break too easily).
Scale comparison (we will try to do better pictures of cavalry models soon)
(https://preview.ibb.co/f5Phoz/instagram05.jpg)
THE NORTHMEN
Northern Warriors: the city defense of the Northern Kingdom, the backbone of any northern army.
- the box will allow you to assemble up to 12 models. You will be able to equip up to 12 spearmen OR up to 12 swordsmen OR up to 6 with two handed spears.
The box will also include a command option to assemble leader, musician and standard bearer.
The box will include 12 20x20mm square bases AND 12 25mm diameter round bases
Models will have the following separate parts: heads, torsos, arms, shields, legs, daggers, scabbards, pouches and bags
Some pictures of painted prototypes (final models will be better):
(https://preview.ibb.co/fcADTz/IMG_2916_2.jpg)
(https://preview.ibb.co/n2WbgK/instagram14.jpg)
(https://preview.ibb.co/gA2dWK/instagram22.jpg)
Northern Bowmen: expert hunters in the dangerous northern forests, explorers, perfect to weaken the enemy armies
- the box will allow you to assemble up to 12 models. You will be able to equip up to 12 bowmen with arrows in the hand, up to 6 bowmen that just released the arrow, up to 6 of the arrows can be assembled like flaming arrows, up to 4 models with hoods covering the heads.
The box will also include a command option to assemble leader, musician and standard bearer.
The box will include 12 20x20mm square bases AND 12 25mm diameter round bases
Models will have the following separate parts: heads, torsos, arms, legs, daggers, quivers, arrows on the ground, flaming braziers, flames to put on the arrows, pouches and bags
Some pictures of painted and unpainted prototypes (final models will be better):
(https://preview.ibb.co/f1fSMK/instagram17.jpg)
(https://preview.ibb.co/cxMv8z/instagram02.jpg)
(https://preview.ibb.co/cNacMK/instagram04.jpg)
Northern Cavalry: lesser nobles useful as faster units on the battlefield to take the enemy behind
- the box will allow you to assemble up to 6 models. You will be able to equip up to 6 horsemen with swords, up to 6 horsemen with lances.
The box will also include a command option to assemble leader, musician and standard bearer.
The box will include 6 25x50mm square bases AND 6 75x42mm oval bases
Models will have the following separate parts: heads, torsos, arms, shields, legs, daggers, scabbards, pouches and bags
Horses will be 3 different pair of half-bodies with 3 different heads and 3 different tails (to assemble how do you like)
Some pictures of painted and unpainted prototypes (final models will be better):
(https://preview.ibb.co/cguOTz/instagram20.jpg)
(https://preview.ibb.co/eo0rFe/instagram01.jpg)
THE LIVING DEAD
Peasants: fresh villagers just infected by the plague
- the box will allow you to assemble up to 12 models. You will be able to equip up to 2 models with the same weapon like pitchforks, cleaver, scythe, hoe, shovel, big axe and butcher knife.
The box will include 12 20x20mm square bases AND 12 25mm diameter round bases
Models will have the following separate parts: heads, bodies, arms
Some pictures of painted and unpainted prototypes (final models will be better):
(https://preview.ibb.co/ho8BFe/instagram19.jpg)
(https://preview.ibb.co/msfoTz/instagram16.jpg)
Soldiers: dead soldiers from different kingdom now part of one army
- the box will allow you to assemble up to 12 models. You will be able to equip up to 12 spearmen OR up to 8 swordsmen OR up to 2 with war axe OR up to with war mace OR up to 6 with two handed spears.
The box will also include a command option to assemble leader, musician and standard bearer.
The box will include 12 20x20mm square bases AND 12 25mm diameter round bases
Models will have the following separate parts: heads, bodies, arms, shields, arrows to apply as suffered hits, two handed spears.
Some pictures of unpainted prototypes (final models will be better):
(https://preview.ibb.co/im00ae/instagram21.jpg)
Knights: veterans from a far past resurrected by necromancer's spells
- the box will allow you to assemble up to 6 models. You will be able to equip up to 6 knights with swords, up to 6 knights with lances, up to 2 knights with morning star, up to 2 knights with battle axe, up to 2 knights with war mace.
The box will also include a command option to assemble leader, musician and standard bearer and a dire dog.
The box will include 6 25x50mm square bases AND 6 75x42mm oval bases
Models will have the following separate parts: heads, torsos, arms, shields, legs, scabbards
Horses will be 3 different pair of half-bodies with 3 different heads and 3 different tails and 3 separated bardings (to assemble how do you like)
Some pictures of painted and unpainted prototypes (final models will be better):
(https://preview.ibb.co/eAgsMK/deadtest_3.jpg)
THE RULES
Togheter with the new figures, Fireforge Games is working on a ruleset to play with. The ruleset will allow you to play skirmish games or bigger regimented battles. We are in alpha working for now and the beta should be available for the launch of the campaign. We will reveal something about the rules in the future before the starting of the campaign and we will ask to people to join the beta testing to obtain a fun, strategic set of rules.
For any further info, please contact us or visit our facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/Fireforge.Games.Miniatures/ (https://www.facebook.com/Fireforge.Games.Miniatures/)
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Very cool... i'm interested! Those undead mounted knights are amazingly cool sculpts... I also like the flaming arrows on the archers. Would be fun to paint. I look forward to the kickstarter!
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Also, will the rules be based on Deus Vult? I play that set a lot and like it... I could see how you could modify it like a Dragon Rampant for Lion Rampant... I'd love a fantasy version of Deus Vult!
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These are sooooo good. I have been watching this on other sites for a while, really looking forward to the KS, could well be in for a box of each if the price is right. You have taken massive steps forward with these sculpts, whoever you have hired, keep hold of him/her, give them a pay rise, shower them with gifts, etc.
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Nice! I like these minis.
I would like to see some of the soldiers' heads without covers, too, at least the archers.
Those zombies made me think of Midwestern farmers in the USA with zombie-plague. Think Superman's town, zombiefied.
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I like 'em.
-Michael
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12 models in a box is à bittes short. Those zombies are Nice.
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I'll definitely grab some northmen for a GoT project :)
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Also, will the rules be based on Deus Vult? I play that set a lot and like it... I could see how you could modify it like a Dragon Rampant for Lion Rampant... I'd love a fantasy version of Deus Vult!
we are thinking a completely new ruleset
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The undead are wonderful - good plastic zombies are woefully absent from the market.
Could I ask why only 12 models in the infantry boxes?
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Dragon Rampant uses unit sizes of 12 & 6. These will be useful.
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I would like to see some non-zombified villagers.
I appreciate that it’s probably very niche but I’d love a kit on non-combatants to use as NPCs.
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Those zombie villagers do look good. I'd love to see non-zombie ones too!
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The undead are wonderful - good plastic zombies are woefully absent from the market.
Could I ask why only 12 models in the infantry boxes?
Many reasons. Our previously releases, tried to give customers an high number of good models. We thought in past that our figures were used mostly for regimented battles.
There weren't all these rules to play skirmish battles with our figures.
In fantasy wargames, the use of large battle rules is decreasing, by the other side the quality of the models of this market is really high. You don't need anymore a lot of models, but do you want that your models will be wonderful.
This is why our company for this project focused completely of the quality of the models, working on new ways to do figures (like new joint system of the model parts), adding more details on the sculpts and creating a lot of accessories to customize them.
This of course increased a lot the production cost. The new fantasy boxes will have a different price by our usual historical kits
Naturally, what we learned on that work will be used to increase the quality of our future historical production
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Well, that makes sense, and it certainly seems to be paying off in terms of quality going by the designs. Thanks for replying.
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Example of command options for living dead soldiers. Note: being in plastic we think will be easy for hobbysts modifying the neck to obtain a nice captain without head.
(https://preview.ibb.co/fNKrtz/instagram24.jpg)
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Another preview of the models you will be able to assemble with the Living Dead Knights set
(https://preview.ibb.co/mQFGgU/instagram26.jpg)
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I am excited beyond all reason for this Kickstarter.
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Really looking forward to this KS, could well be in for everything (depending on price of course) :)
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I've been very wary of Kickstarters since I got burned (big time) on the last one I pledged for, but I might just be persuaded by this one after all, because the miniatures and renders look wonderful and they will fit in nicely with several existing ranges, such as Frostgrave and Oathmark.
Also, the stated goal of completely EU production appeals, as Chinese products, while plentiful and cheap, often leave lots to be desired. This at least means there will probably be a better quality control and vastly reduced transit times as well. Here's to hoping prices will still be acceptable, despite the obviously higher production costs...
I don't think we, as Fantasy hobbyists/gamers, have ever been as spoiled for choice and options as we are now, and this project will most likely increase that a lot still 8)
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(https://preview.ibb.co/cUFpo9/IMG_4434.jpg)
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Those zombie villagers do look good. I'd love to see non-zombie ones too!
Yes please!
I would love to have a plastic set of pesants. I want to be able to build an army of pesants. They are sorely lacking in wargaming. Most historical battles had lots of pesants on the battlefield.
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First of all, i have to say that i really like the sculpts, they are miles ahead from any other Fireforge offering. As another stated before me, whoever is the artist, dont let him go. Ever.
These certainly are GW level, and GW might be alot of things but they certainly have good product.
One question though. Why Kickstarter? Fireforge is a well known brand in the hobby now. I would guess that you have the means to produce a new line especially if its one of Really good quality. Imo crowd funding platforms are for small unknown companies or dirt poor individuals that have the skill or the ideas but lack the funds. I know that many other companies do it, but in my mind this is an abuse of the original mentality behind the creation of these platforms.
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Apparently people really like kickstarter, because I have seen plenty of miniature companies say that the difference is huge between kickstarting and just doing a pre-order on their own websites. For some reason people are more likely to toss some random cash at kickstarter then they are at some random cool minis elsewhere.
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Apparently people really like kickstarter, because I have seen plenty of miniature companies say that the difference is huge between kickstarting and just doing a pre-order on their own websites. For some reason people are more likely to toss some random cash at kickstarter then they are at some random cool minis elsewhere.
I dont know. I have observed that many people tend to be cautious about kickstarter, indiegogo etc, because even if its not true the rumours are that many problems can errupt. And on the othr hand, why pre order? Most people like to at least have a glimpse of the product first. My point is that it is expected from a well established company to back a new product with their own money and take the risk. I could understand a crowd funding campaign if they were offering a lavish or completely ground breaking product/service, but i dont think that this is the case here. These are very nice warhammer proxy minis and from the description probably similarly priced. I cant see the novelty or risky project here. Maybe im getting something wrong though, I dont know.
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I love how the GW mini has a crappy paintjob compared to the Fireforge one, lol
I really do like the look of these though.
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My point is that it is expected from a well established company to back a new product with their own money and take the risk.
I don't think this is at all as common an expectation as you believe anymore. Kickstarter has more hits than misses these days and many people are comfortable taking the risk if a campaign is presented there.
Add that to the fact that the platform is, among many other things, a great advertising tool for creators and you might start to see why even bigger established companies use it. Quite simply, Kickstarter has evolved, at least in our niche area.
I, for one, am looking forward to seeing what is on offer. Especially if the figures match the scaling and proportions of modern GW figures, as the comparison shots seem to suggest.
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My understanding is that there is a huge upfront cost in setting up for plastic sprues. Tens of thousands, maybe more for several sprues as obviously are required here. And though Fireforge are established and well known, I think most companies operate on very tight margins with very little spare cash. They simply could not afford to release all these sets without big investment, and what could be better than the certainty offered by KS?
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We finally published a preview of our kickstarter campaign, you can check it here:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fireforgegames/927490714?ref=558303&token=3ad9da5c
Note: by mobile phone it is necessary to enlarge the page to see the pledge levels
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The distinction between the exclusive figures and stretch figures is a little confusing, and I think it would make a bit more sense if the Early Bird was just a slightly cheaper version of the General rather than the General with the 2 bonus figures, but those are both minor complaints.
Good luck!
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these look great.
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Maybe a project to support. :)
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Could be me, but I'm not seeing Fireforge's Forgotten World project, just a BloodBowl Amazon team they did?
Was it pulled?
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It's not live yet. You can see a kickstarter preview in the öink they posted on the previous page on this thread.
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Kickstarter link is now available here: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fireforgegames/927490714?ref=558303&token=630d2b53 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fireforgegames/927490714?ref=558303&token=630d2b53)
We made some changes on our campaign to try to listen your feedbacks. We changed stretch goals adding the possibility to get the stretch goal characters in hard plastic instead of resin, adding the possibility to unlock a plastic set for living villagers (Folk Rabble). We did what we can to listen your requests and suggestions, now we can only ask for you help to share our project and to search more people joining this campaign to unlock everything.
We changed the pledge levels, that are the following:
€1 Supporter (to donate 1€ to project or to get one box and/or add-ons)
€15 Forgotten World Rulebook (1 copy of the rules A4 format, full colour, paperback and add-on access)
€32 Beginner (2 boxes of your choice and add-on access)
€48 Living Dead Horde (3 living dead boxes of your choice, FREE stretch goals of Living Dead characters when unlocked and add-on access)
€48 Northmen Detachment (3 northmen boxes of your choice, FREE stretch goals of northmen characters when unlocked and add-on access)
€64 Soldier (4 boxes of your choice, FREE stretch goal characters when unlocked and add-on access)
€96 Veteran (6 boxes of your choice, FREE stretch goal characters when unlocked and add-on access)
€128 LIMITED EARLY BIRD (8 boxes of your choice, FREE Kickstarter exclusive figures, FREE stretch goal characters when unlocked and add-on access)
€144 Forgotten World Starter Set - 108 models + tokens + rules (FREE Kickstarter exclusive figures, FREE stretch goal characters when unlocked and add-on access)
We changed also retailer pledges and uploaded Shipping infos and infos about our future set of rules.
Note:there are problems in seeing the campaign preview link by mobile devices
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I am very excited about the living peasants. But the link you posted doesn’t work on my end.
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I am very excited about the living peasants. But the link you posted doesn’t work on my end.
Are you using a mobile device? They do seem to mention that there are problems viewing it with those.
Seems to work okay for me on computer, with Firefox.
Aaaanyway, regarding the project itself, looks fine to me although one thing - the add-on price list states the Forgotten World Starter Set price is 144- for Kickstarter and 20- after Kickstarter... :D
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I am very excited about the living peasants. But the link you posted doesn’t work on my end.
I'm sorry my bad, just edited the link, now should work :)
Aaaanyway, regarding the project itself, looks fine to me although one thing - the add-on price list states the Forgotten World Starter Set price is 144- for Kickstarter and 20- after Kickstarter...
Yes, it was an error, the MSRP price for the starter set will be €170
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How tall are yhese figures...foot and mounted?
Thanks for the update.
Regards
8)
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How tall are yhese figures...foot and mounted?
Thanks for the update.
Regards
8)
Hello, we have only some foot models comparison picture at bottom of the page
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/022/309/406/34c4bf7155d44d87d193e818d5de010b_original.jpg?w=680&fit=max&v=1534937556&auto=format&q=92&s=ab5760315722d72a11ee2875fa4e03b8)
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Kickstarter link is now available here: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fireforgegames/927490714?ref=558303&token=630d2b53 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fireforgegames/927490714?ref=558303&token=630d2b53)
All I see is "This is not a live project" and comments. ::)
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Scroll down to see the draft campaign ;)
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Could you label the figures in the comparison on the right?
thanks
andy
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I believe that the right photo includes from left to right a GW Empire figure, a CMON ASOIAF Stark Sworn Shield and a new Fireforge Northman. So how do the new Fireforge undead size up to the CMON figures?
Regards,
Hitman
8)
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I believe that the right photo includes from left to right a GW Empire figure, a CMON ASOIAF Stark Sworn Shield and a new Fireforge Northman. So how do the new Fireforge undead size up to the CMON figures?
Regards,
Hitman
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i have no pictures sadly because these figures are not anymore here in the office (they from a friend of us)
i can tell you that our undead have same height with our northmen.
We will launch the campaign on September 20th 7.00 p.m Rome time
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Scroll down to see the draft campaign ;)
Ah, got it. Thanks. :)
Not a Kickstarter-type usually - only done one before, but think I'll go for this.
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Last minute changes to our kickstarter pledges!
Limited Early Bird pledge (8 boxes+FREE kickstarter exclusives+FREE characters when unlocked) offered to 120€
Forgotten World Starter Set (content of 9 boxes+ scenery + rules + tokens + card deck + FREE kickstarter exclusives + FREE characters when unlocked) now at 140€
And a new pledge for who want assemble a really big army with our figures: General pledge, 16 boxes of your choice at 239€ +FREE 1 kickstarter exclusive of your choice + FREE characters when unlocked
That's all, we are doing our best to satisfy everyone
watch our campaign preview here:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fireforgegames/927490714?ref=558303&token=630d2b53
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LAST CHANGES TO OUR KICKSTARTER CAMPAIGN!
We believe in our project and we are always ready to do the possible for a successful launch. Today we updated our campaign with the following changes:
- project funding goal decreased to 130k
- now for any pledge you will choose, you will be able to get the boxes you want, also the new plastic sets like Folk Rabble and the other factions when unlocked
- rules will be printed in following languages: english, spanish and italian
As usual, thanks for your feedbacks, check the kickstarter preview at:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fireforgegames/927490714?ref=558303&token=630d2b53
(https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41244045_2152470498105596_6683752145243602944_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=fc22b541322c9c725fa419c6e593624f&oe=5C1F826A)
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Man, that unit looks great.
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Amazing undead Miniatures and
paintjob.
Good luck with your KS Lord Ekard.
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Make sure to inform us when the Kickstarter goes live!
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It's live!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fireforgegames/927490714?ref=558303&token=630d2b53
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good deal... i'm in!
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I love the look and want to be in but my brain is telling me I'll never do anything with them. If they sell individual species layer I'll probably pick up a few things
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Looking forward to kitbash these Northmen, the Oathmark humans and Fireforge's older kits!
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I’m in for a starter set :)
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Backed as a supporter while I cogitate upon which level to fully back.
Wouldn't mind going for a big set if I can get some local chums to club in with me.
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I backed for €32 to get some peasants. If the living ones do not get unlocked I'll find a use for the dead ones.
I might throw more money at it, depending on what gets unlocked.
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I am really only interrested in the living peasants, so I'm holding out to see if they will be unlocked.
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I went in for the Early Bird 120 Euros option.
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Great figures, great KS. Hope the peasants get unlocked.
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I really love that a known wants to produce a fantasy mass battle system !!
As it's in 28mm, so will fit nicely to my colllection
So to support this KS is a must for me lol lol lol
I am in at early bird level, and maybe for a game box later. :)
I would love to have these characters in real plastic :-* :-*
Hope that works out
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I am really only interrested in the living peasants, so I'm holding out to see if they will be unlocked.
Goes for me too, they are the only set I would be interested in, although not having a projected release date other than late 2019 limits my enthusiasm somewhat.
Human Warriors, Undead and the associated characters are plentiful for 28mm fantasy wargaming but basic peasant types are much harder to get hold of.
Given the slow start to the campaign the €230k looks a very long way off though.
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I decided to jump in, hoping the peasants get unlocked.
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Just backed the kickstarter!
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In as well. Really hope we get the peasants but seems a little unlikely. Fireforge will probably still release them at a later stage though so I can live with just the soldiers for now.
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I guess they're listening to their prospective customers :P
Living Peasants moved to unlock at basic funding
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fireforgegames/forgotten-world-fantasy-figures-for-wargames-and-r/posts/2297691
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That really good news as the peasants are a must have!
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Really tempted with this one. My only concern is trying to fund two factions could prove too idealistic? Though j hope it makes the first stretch.
Personally love the human troopers more than the Undead, there aren t many good solid fantasy humans in plastic out there. Until Oathmark released its humans it was pretty much Empire or Bretonnia. The peasants will be a brilliant addition to loads of games too!
Also like the look of the Orcs, nice take on the species minis wise. It's not something I'd expect to see outside the odd character mini.
Best of luck!
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I guess they're listening to their prospective customers :P
Living Peasants moved to unlock at basic funding
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fireforgegames/forgotten-world-fantasy-figures-for-wargames-and-r/posts/2297691
I hope that isn't a sign of desperation.
Honestly I'm surprised this hasn't funded already. I imagine a bunch of people will come in at the end and help out
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I've jumped in as well. Not really feeling the undead sculpts but I really like the others so far, especially the peasants.
I wanted to ask you guys, do you have any favorite box sets from their existing Deus Vult range? I was thinking about picking up some to mix and match but not sure what to get.
I'd be looking to make knights and warriors also mercenary guards and bandit thieves in a fantasy setting.
Maybe Teutonic Knights & Foot Sergeants. Any others you guys recommend?
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The Foot Sergeants have long been on my wishlist, as they're excellent conversion and kitbashing fodder. Plus; I really like their looks.
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I hope that isn't a sign of desperation.
Honestly I'm surprised this hasn't funded already. I imagine a bunch of people will come in at the end and help out
I was surprised and a little sad at how slowly this has moved as well. I'm thinking some of it's due to pricing - provided they fund and reach retail, people won't have to pay much more for these boxes from their favorite online dealer. And I guess a lot of their target audience recently received big boxes of the CMON Game of Thrones game.
I wanted to ask you guys, do you have any favorite box sets from their existing Deus Vult range? I was thinking about picking up some to mix and match but not sure what to get.
I like my foot sergeants, templar infantry and mounted sergeants. I have a harder time with their proper knights, mostly because their greathelms look ridiculously oversized to my eye. I have a lot of fun tinkering with the kits I have, though :)
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Foot sergeants is a great box, the capes you get in a lot of boxes are handy and I've been eying the Scandinavian box for a while, as a source of chainmail bodies.
If you're looking for bandits, most of the boxes are very well armoured though, apart from the Steppe warriors.
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Decided I finally had to back this with the new Dwarf renders being shown off.
Really wish Fireforge luck with this one.
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not jet funded :'( Doesn't look that good. Funding is quite a stretch away, sadly. Keeping fingers crossed
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I think it will just about get there in the end but as a set of products it is uninspiring, even the guys behind it seem unable to put the effort into promoting and selling their game around the web.
Figures are OK but nothing special (decent human and undead plastics are pretty common already), the scenery is a rehash of stuff already available and from the overview the rules look pretty standard.
But that would not be a problem if it was cheap enough, however it isn't. The KS prices are pretty much what you will pay at retail from the online discount sellers anyway, you may as well use your money now backing other projects with more "bang for your buck" and pick up any Fireforge fantasy plastics you want when they hit retail late next year.
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Though of course they wont be available at retail if the kickstarter fails to reach the target amount........
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I expected this to smash through the ceiling. No clue why it stopped cold. It just might be that fantasy wargaming has it's limits.
That , and there's a bit too much core product and not enough fluff.
More Add-on's such as nifty resin bits, videos about the rules and the minis might've helped.
It's a shame - I would've liked to see this succeeding much quicker.
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I'm also suprised by this. I guess fluff is more important than people think. Also I think that their core customers are historical gamers who might have little interest in fantasy?
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I think lack of advertising hasn't helped.
Especially when you consider that there was some advertisement for the campaign prior to it starting on places like Beasts of War etc.
As soon as the Campaign started though I haven't seen anything from these new outlets.
I also suspect ever sine they started advertising other products some people may have decided not to fund this and simply wait until the Peasants Box or Orcs etc come available.
Personally I disagree with comments that they're not original; the Humans in this KS are way different than other plastic manufacturers like GW (Renaissance Fantasy humans) and Oathmark (Dark Age Fantasy humans) everything else is historical and it'd be nice to have some generic fantasy humans that fit a (armour wise) High Medieval setting.
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Though of course they wont be available at retail if the kickstarter fails to reach the target amount........
Given that they appear to have sculpted all the figures and laid out the frames already, I think it’s a possibility that the main sets here will make it into production sooner or later, with or without the Kickstarter. Presumably they will just take a much longer time to come out, as they rally the funds to invest the production costs set by set...
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Maybe. Though it could be a very long wait. Fireforge have been around for some time now, five or six years?. In that period they have released one box per year, give or take. So if you wait for retail, in theory it could well be five or six years down the line. And that's if fireforge decide to go ahead with the line. Most of the cost is in the tooling of the plastic frames, the digital sculpting upfront is peanuts in comparison - ditto getting a resin master printed and painted. I believe it's around fifteen thousand for a box to be tooled? If they have to fund that from profits/loans, then it could be a very long wait. So they could just as easily decide to can the whole thing with a little loss made.
Today the funding has gone negative. The total has gone down. It needs some drastic upturn to be saved now.
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I suppose there are 2 ways to go when launching a new game, a big launch like this and a long piecemeal launch like Oathmark.
I'm not sure its a fair comparison, but the latter model looks more succesful.
It doesnt help that the marketing budget seems to be tiny and that people keep comparing this kickstarter to CMONs GoT kickstarter. They're entirely different beasts, the latter appealing to both miniature gamers and board gamers.
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Northstar is already a strong name for fantasy with their Frostgrave line and CMON has maybe the second biggest fantasy franshise ever? So the competition is really tough. I think they would have been better of making their fantasy minis the same quality and price as their historicals.
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I disagree, there's a gap in the market for a higher quality fantasy plastic range. Something in between the typical historical stuff and the GW stuff - in terms of quality and price. Nobody fills that niche as yet, so I think they have identified a real opportunity.
Releasing six boxes (or more) in one step was maybe a little ambitious. Then again, lots of players want the certainty of a big(ish) range being available straight away and would not back a drip, drip approach of one box every few months. It's a tricky one to call for sure.
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The goal of releasing a complete range (or indeed two: living and dead) seems a good one if it can realistically be funded. Most game systems would require a range of troop types (basic/elite, missile/melee, infantry/cavalry), and I know many people look forward to more variety in the Oathmark ranges, now consisting of a single box per fantasy race (goblin/dwarf/elf/human).
The current Fireforge campaign looks rather unfocussed however, with e.g. orcs and dwarves also to be released in case of massive further investment - basically another kickstarter campaign away. The people intersted in the orcs or dwarves may well be different from those interested in the products currently on offer, resulting in either of two options: your pledge helps unlock products you don't care about, or you pledge for a product you don't care about in the hope of unlocking one you do like. Neither seems particulary practical.
Add the fact that the products are due to be produced anyway (if perhaps slightly later) and of course the little matter of people interested in Westerosi miniatures having a pile of CMON Starks to paint already, and it isn't an ideal strategy by the looks of things.
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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fireforgegames/927490714?ref=558303&token=630d2b53 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fireforgegames/927490714?ref=558303&token=630d2b53)
They have added the follow up characters as available at funding rather than as stretch goals and are offering some new resin shields (and existing Deus Vult shields) as add ons.
Looks like they are trying to increase the value of the pledges but still do not seem to realise that they stand more chance of making this a success if they give incentives to smaller backers (the 2,3 or 4 boxes) rather than trying to push the starter and big set pledges which have not brought in the support they hoped.
Just passed the €100k so slowly the total is getting there but I get the impression FF are looking at this from a retail return point of view rather than as a future investment.
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I assumed this one would have funded by now, not necessarily smashing through the goal but solidly unlocking the first few things.
I wonder if the Kickstarter bubble is finally bursting (I for one am done backing all-in big box games) or if there are other factors involved.
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There was a level of negativity I'd normally associate with a CMoN release over on DakkaDakka. I'm not sure if it's just a reflection of general KS burnout in the community but there are certainly people who take an unreasonable dislike to some projects and are eager to let everyone else know how they feel.
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I am quite surprised at the lack of support for this project. I think the figures are good and would be suitable for a variety of fantasy settings. Perhaps there are just too many kick starters out there.
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I think it's a bit of a Marmite thing, the Fireforge style. I like the ranges they cover and I like the general aesthetics. I even like the poses (for the most part - they're not the first to struggle with getting a realistic archer pose from multi-parts). But the finished product always looks … I dunno … a bit cheap and toy-ish to me, like the very early Citadel plastics from 20-30yrs ago. It's a personal thing obviously and plenty of people seem to like them, so good luck to them. But no, they're not for me.
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I like them for that reason, the 90's look but I'm not in simply because I have enough plastic having backed a few Nickstarters. and don't actually need more humans.
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Just like me: I already have enough humans and undead. Just the cavalry...
There's 12 days left 😈
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I'm in, and hope we get to the mounted heroes at 140K €.
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We are almost on the funding goal and remain only 3 days :)
http://kck.st/2DexGXK
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Good luck guys! I truly hope you will get there, as these models are all amazing!!
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Looks like it just got funded; barely, but funded!
It's at $150,370.00 right now... ;)
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A real struggle this one, deservedly funded in the final hours but it has been hard work. Not helped by the Fireforge guys refusal to spend time promoting the campaign.
Higher stretch goals are never going to be reached but the mounted command figures look achievable.
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Yeah, just over the line 64 hours out - although it did waver at 130k for a while.
If it does make it to the mounted characters I'd have to reevaluate my pledge as they do look pretty good.
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Phew, great stuff. Haven’t decided what to use them for yet, probably Arnorians or something like that.
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Did not expect this to fund to be honest, but happy it did. The folk rabble really fills a niche no one else does, I think that set will do well when it comes out.
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Aye, I backed solely for the folk rabble :)
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Glad the trudge is over and we're here. Now to the 140K stretch goal. Those mounted characters both look really nice!
There's still something fishy going on with the total sum. It was over 133,000 €, and then somebody withdrew 2,000 €, and the backer sum stayed level. I hope there's not too much that kind of push-up money 'invested' into this project.
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Glad the trudge is over and we're here. Now to the 140K stretch goal. Those mounted characters both look really nice!
There's still something fishy going on with the total sum. It was over 133,000 €, and then somebody withdrew 2,000 €, and the backer sum stayed level. I hope there's not too much that kind of push-up money 'invested' into this project.
I suspect there might be. I was pretty certain at the end of last week this Kickstarter wasn't going to make it, it was on £102,000 with about £1000 being invested each day. Then in the last two days its gone from about £103,000 to £115,000. That's a massive jump.
I'm glad it's funded, I look forward to seeing more from this line, but I hope its not in jeopardy.
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There's still something fishy going on with the total sum. It was over 133,000 €, and then somebody withdrew 2,000 €, and the backer sum stayed level. I hope there's not too much that kind of push-up money 'invested' into this project.
What does that mean? Is that like shill bidding - someone trying to get the KS launched putting in a false investment to help it reach the target to encourage other investors, then withdrawing when they think it's safe so they don't actually have to pay?
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To my (admittedly limited) understanding of the Kickstarter funding process, it's only at the end of the funding period that the total amount is compared to the goal to see whether or not a project is funded or not.
Once it's funded, pledges will be collected, but I also believe that there still is a short time in which peoeple can withdraw their pledge and get refunded, even after the end of the campaign.
So yeah; I believe it's (theoretically at least) possible to pledge a large amount, pulling a project over the threshold and then withdrawing the pledge after it's funded...
...I was pretty certain at the end of last week this Kickstarter wasn't going to make it, it was on £102,000 with about £1000 being invested each day. Then in the last two days its gone from about £103,000 to £115,000. That's a massive jump...
Usually, a campaign gains more momentum when it nears the deadline; a steep increase in funding during the last couple of days, or even hours, is not unheard of.
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What does that mean? Is that like shill bidding - someone trying to get the KS launched putting in a false investment to help it reach the target to encourage other investors, then withdrawing when they think it's safe so they don't actually have to pay?
Well, I don't know what that means. I just was there, looking at the total, and it suddenly went down in two steps of exactly 1,000 €, within minutes, but the number of backers didn't change. Previously, I've seen it go similarly up 3,000 €, but the number of backers didn't change. So an existing backer upped the pledge total by 3,000 €. Why, it could really be a retailer who goes big. But why then go down big?
It was actually someone else on the KS comment section, about a week ago, who talked about these kind push-up pledges. Perhaps they've been seen earlier, in other KS, too. One thing Kickstarter has specially prohibited is project owners funding their own KS. There wouldn't be a prohibition if it didn't happen earlier. The Kickstarter forum even has a couple of discussions on this, whether it's immoral - or actually a good strategy to guarantee that the pledged monies really get invested and to make backers happy. Hard to say really. I'm always very happy to see a project I backed actually fund!
Mostly, big changes upward have seen a new retailer join in, so I believe that money is really pledged and stays pledged. I'm not worried about the destiny of this KS. It's just something that caught my eye.
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Ah right. No-one likes to feel they've been hoodwinked by a shady practice, but in fairness if people know what they're buying and they get what they paid for, I don't really see the issue from a moral standpoint.
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I've backed this one.
However, from the start I have been a little concerned with how they have approached it and I have been tempted to pull my pledge.
They were putting out pledge goals that were unrealistically high and offered things that I felt would actually undermine the campaign. So, for example, the new races. You always run the risk when you put in totally new factions in a KS like this that you will get people pledge in the hope that those goals are met for those factions. And then, when they look unlikely to be met they drop their pledges.
The starter set is also too much. £122 is a fair amount for a starter set for a wargame, especially when you are going to be competing with the likes of GW that are cheaper than that. They'd have been better off reducing the number of miniatures a bit and having a more affordable starter set IMHO.
The abundance of extra torso's in their kits are also a bit questionable.
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I agree with you on the other races point Fonzy. I like the look of their other fantasy races and having more fantasy humans can be only a good thing for conversions etc, but I think advertising them now was a risk, either for the same reason you mention or because it holds people back UNTIL those options become available (similarly how a lot of people said they wouldn't back the KS until the peasants came available).
I think all should be well and there may be amendments made going forward as it's still early days.
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What does that mean? Is that like shill bidding - someone trying to get the KS launched putting in a false investment to help it reach the target to encourage other investors, then withdrawing when they think it's safe so they don't actually have to pay?
They were simply retailer pledges added or modified from distributors who never backed a project before :)
As told previously, fireforge has not money to spend on that project, this is why many good suggestions done during the campaign were not made
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It funded. Probably not as much over the goal as they would have liked. Now the wait.
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I'm glad they got funded. I had a quick look at the Alpha version of their rules. Nothing terribly new here at this stage. Buckets of dice with multiple rolls needed for combat (combat roll, to hit, to wound). Seems like this has been used before!