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Miniatures Adventure => Medieval Adventures => Topic started by: Coenus Scaldingus on August 21, 2018, 09:50:44 AM
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Found this somewhere:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-G1BME8FKw
Can't remember the last trailer of a historical series or movie that felt decent, but this one seems really rather promising. Sure, some fire arrows and a thrown axe (hopefully not to be used against Bohun at Bannockburn), but actual period-correct equipment? Decent accents? Heck, decent acting? I'm starting to rather look forward to this - it might actually be good. 8)
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Looks promising … but I'll try not to get too excited.
I was all excited about a new Arthurian movie coming out … until I saw the trailers.
Then I was all excited about a new Robin Hood movie coming out … until I saw the trailers.
This one actually looks okay, although I'm not a big fan of Chris Pine.
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I'm hoping for the best...so few medieval movies that I am willing to accept a little "Hollywood" in them.
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I hadn't seen that... looks pretty good actually.
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Well it doesnt look bad, and it may sound strange but... I like the haircuts
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Yeah, yeah, seems ok......idle hope, but seems ok
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Surely they should all be wearing kilts and blue warpaint?
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Not enough swastikas on the English uniforms.
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Can't wait to see the true untold story. ::)
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Hell or High Water was a really good film. Looking forward to this!
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Can't wait to see the true untold story. ::)
If it's untold, I wonder how they know it?
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Yes, I loved the "untold Story" part. Right, no one ever has written anything about Robert The Bruce before.
However, is accurate on the impact on his family. Bruce lost most of his family being killed and abused by his enemies.
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Look, if we can't trust Hollywood to tell authentic historical truth without embellishment or outrights lies, who can we trust?
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When will it drop on Netflix ?
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Yes, I loved the "untold Story" part. Right, no one ever has written anything about Robert The Bruce before.
However, is accurate on the impact on his family. Bruce lost most of his family being killed and abused by his enemies.
Untold by Hollywood perhaps? If you discount the part he played in Braveheart...
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battle scenes in CGI seem rather good...…..…...promising
at least they are making an effort! look forward to this..
Chris Pine can do a lot with little facial maovement :D
cheers
Ged
www.gringo40s.com
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Will it be the true story of an Essex Boy who makes good and becomes king of Scotland?
Born on his father's estate in Writtle, he becomes an economic migrant and makes his way north for a better life...
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That is strange I am pretty certain his mother never left Scotland.
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Robert's birthplace is unrecorded, but it was most likely Turnberry Castle in Ayrshire, the home of his mother Marjorie, Countess of Carrick. In any case, I am looking forward to seeing Outlaw King, and I hope that it is as good as the trailer suggests.
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I do remember reading that it was on the family's estate at Writtle. Even some Scottish authors state this or admit that it is likely and that they are unable to disprove the theory.
Unfortunately it was a long time ago I read this, I was checking to confirm the plaque at Writtle, so I cannot state where I read this...
Tim
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Robert's birthplace is unrecorded, but it was most likely Turnberry Castle in Ayrshire, the home of his mother Marjorie, Countess of Carrick. In any case, I am looking forward to seeing Outlaw King, and I hope that it is as good as the trailer suggests.
With a lack of any records, the most logical argument is still that he was born at Turnberry due to the known timings of his father's movements south and the likelihood that his mother would have made the journey whilst pregnant at the time of year she would need to have travelled in. The Scottish writers referencing an English birth were, if I recall correctly, Victorian and were making speculative comments that may have suited their particular interests at the time.
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While trailer do looks cool arent helmets around 50 years to early?
Especially bascinets with faceplate in cavalry charge scene.
(https://www.lookandlearn.com/history-images/preview/M/M096/M096360-88_Seal-coins-and-skull-of-king-Robert-Bruce.jpg)
The guy himself had beautiful great helm on his seal..
I re watched Braweheart battles, most cavalry wears open bascinet but even there kings guards have great helmets.
Edit Holkham bible shows bascinets with visors and its only 20-40 years later
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Peers_and_commoners_fighting_-_The_Holkham_Bible_Picture_Book_%28c.1320-1330%29%2C_f.40_-_BL_Add_MS_47682.jpg)
Close but that seal is still best source IMHO.
Close call. transition time most probably.
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Culminates in the Battle of Loudon Hill not Bannockburn - is there a sequel in the offing?
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Very nice movie. For those fan to the subject i strongly advise it. :)
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Enjoyable, scenically beautiful, some great locations and classy acting - Chris Pine and Florence Pugh are both great, considering neither has too much to work with. Great music. The usual shonky mix of costumes and armour from a range of about 200 years. The usual ‘the English are all monstrous evil ignorant bastards / the Scots are all hairy noble savages’ simplification and misrepresentation.
Great - but highly implausible - battle scene at the end, desperately trying to achieve a GOT ‘Battle of the Bastards’ level of intensity, and not quite succeeding.
All in all though, well worth the couple of hours to watch it, although it does feel distinctly truncated. There’s quite a long, leisurely build up - and then all wrapped up with indecent haste in the last 5 minutes, with a naff kind of ‘and then this happened’ set of captions, rather than actually finishing the movie and showing the rest of the story. Apparently the director had to take around half an hour of his preferred edit out of it. It shows. Still enjoyed it though. Three and a half stars out of five ;)
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Saw it, enjoyed it. quite liked the pace and storytelling, different from your average Hollywood movie.
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I enjoyed it - I think it showed the Scots as capable of brutality as the English. It really makes clear just how Bruce’s family was affected but I’ll admit the chronology had me a bit - I thought they were really messing about with Bannockburn until I realised it was another battle all together; credit where it’s due, it didn’t telegraph that.
The cast seemed a bit of a GOT reunion or maybe an extended audition for the “LOTR” amazon prequel series.
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For the non costume/armour bean counters :D it wasnt bad.
To echo Captian Blood - good music, long build-up to a quick climax.
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I enjoyed it. Was quite pleasantly surprised at how authentic it all felt (right down to the interiors being painted and bright, not dingy and cold stone like nearly every other medieval film).
The fighting was very brutal!
However,
SPOILERS
That battle at the end nearly soured the whole thing for me. The idea that King Edward II was surrounded by the Scottish force at the end, having a little duel with the Bruce and ultimately being let go is... bloody stupid. It undermines the whole rebellion to let THE KING OF FREAKING ENGLAND WALK OFF! This after they'd already dispensed with "chivalry" etc. Considering that the film reminds us that this wasn't Robert's final victory over England it really makes it even worse. What a stupid side note to an otherwise good end battle. Also, obligatory "everyone skirmishing wildly in a swirling mess and no helmets for the main dudes" fighting, eh?
END OF SPOILERS
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Fair comment re the final battle, tbh I’d more or less binned hopes of a realistic end battle scene.
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Fell asleep halfway through, can't say the half I watched rocked my world.
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Well, if it wasn't to somebody's liking, perhaps better luck next year when apparently another movie on Robert is due to be released: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8000908/?ref_=tt_trv_trv
When it rains, it pours...
Thought Outlaw King was rather good, but sadly not great. Very glad to see a movie set in medieval times where colour is actually present; with so many other series and films choosing to barely bother with decent costumes and just up the grey scale to make it look like the olden days. Historical accuracy of armour was fairly acceptable to Hollywood standards too. What mainly let it down was simply the story. That a complex tale has to be simplified to fit a two-hour runtime is unavoidable, but for my money I'd rather have spent most of the time used for bloody fights (of which there is a lot: both fighting and blood) on exploring the rich tapestry of competing loyalties, personal motivations and relations. It was interesting that they focussed on the middle period, but although hints to the earlier history existed (e.g. they uttered the name "Balliol" once or twice in one scene), and leaving much out is probably preferable to endless, obvious exposition, it did feel rather empty afterwards. Perhaps I have gotten too accustomed to series, where 6-10 hours are available to tell a story rather than 2.
And yes, the end of the final battle was just painful to watch. Pointless, useless, needless. Made no sense in the precise context that they had built up in the preceding hour and a half.
Still, it's easier to pinpoint the wrongs than the rights. It was by no means bad. As these types of historical dramas go, it was certainly among the better ones - but that says as much about it as its competitors. I'd certainly recommend giving it a watch, and while I won't expect to watch it again any time soon, it was promising enough to make me look forward to further offerings of this sort from Netflix.
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A Scottish wargamer friend of mine commented that the scene at the beginning where Edward refuses to accept the surrender of Stirling Castle, because he's just built a new trebuchet and hasn't had a chance to fire it yet, is "one of the most 'gamer' moments ever committed to film". lol
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Well, if it wasn't to somebody's liking, perhaps better luck next year when apparently another movie on Robert is due to be released: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8000908/?ref_=tt_trv_trv
When it rains, it pours...
The guy playing Robert the Bruce is Angus Macfadyen the same guy who played him in Braveheart! He's one of those actors I always enjoy watching and he crops up in TV programmes from time to time, forcing me to point at the screen and say, "Hey, it's him, the guy who played Robert the Bruce in …" etc .. etc
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Robert the Bruce and Edward are really the only two characters I still like from the horror of Braveheart.
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Robert the Bruce and Edward are really the only two characters I still like from the horror of Braveheart.
What's not to love about old mad-eyes Patrick McGoohan?
I've just finished watching the Netflix movie tonight. Yeah, I agree with what everyone has said really - it was a fun romp and did the best it could do with what it had, but it didn't blow my skirt up. The bit at the end was a sad nonsense that I could have done without, but all in all a decent crack at the story … and yes, an 8hr mini-series would have told the story so much better.
Always nice to see the same Scottish actors being trotted out for Hollywood movies and remarking on how much they've aged! ("I'll no forget you Angus.") I was quite impressed with Tony Curran's stab at not just a Scots accent (fairly easy, him being Scottish and all) but actually a Long Isles accent with a dash of Scandinavian. I haven't a clue what a Norse-Gael accent might sound like nor how accurate his was, but hats off to the guy for reaching for authenticity when I'm sure no-one would have argued against him playing it safe with his native accent.
I'm not sure my missus would put up with me scratching at her with a bit of thistle in bed though. I'm fairly sure she'd react in a way that would result in it being surgically removed from one of my more tender areas.
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I thought the same about Tony Curran. I'm used to seeing him under terrible wig and contact lenses as pantomime alien baddie, Daytak Tar, in camp SyFy romp, Defiance. His effort at a Western Isles Gaelic lilt in Outlaw King was noted and appreciated. Although to be fair, Chris Pine's Scottish accent was perfectly fair.
You're right about the revolving door of Scottish character actors... Angus MacFadyen has spent the last several years chewing the scenery as a (distinctly unhistorical take on) Major Robert Rogers in AWI spy potboiler 'Turn' (despite the fact the Rogers was of Irish parentage... ) Basically portrayed as a reckless, amoral psychopath. Be interesting to see if he's subtler as Robert Bruce.
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Thought it was alright. Nothing spectacular.
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A Scottish wargamer friend of mine commented that the scene at the beginning where Edward refuses to accept the surrender of Stirling Castle, because he's just built a new trebuchet and hasn't had a chance to fire it yet, is "one of the most 'gamer' moments ever committed to film". lol
Can't blame him, really. Can you think of all the effort that must have gone into painting and weathering it? And its stat line must have warranted a couple of rolls, at least.
P.S. I see it was called Warwolf. Today it would probably be Brexit, as in, "You build a castle, and this Brexit."
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Can't blame him, really. Can you think of all the effort that must have gone into painting and weathering it? And its stat line must have warranted a couple of rolls, at least..
You roll a double 1 - critical fail, the arm of the siege engine breaks under the strain and shatters, throwing shards of splintered wood outwards. The crew is killed instantly and anyone within a 6" radius suffers a S4 hit with no armour saving throw on a roll of 4,5 or 6.
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You reckon without the Hammer of the Scots rule: "In the event of the siege engine malfunctioning or breaking due to poor dice (sabotage / wear and tear / shoddy workmanship / drunken crew) the Hammer may be deployed, instantly restoring the engine to fully functioning condition, replacing the crew with better trained and motivated specialists, and allowing repeated rerolls until a critical hit is attained. Any surviving members of garrison take immediate morale test with -6 modifier".
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Dammit, always with the special rules.
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I liked it.
One thing in paticular that always bugs me with "Knightly movies" is that armour is always just for show. But in this movie you actually see several blows glancing of armour.
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I enjoyed the movie and thought it well acted and realistic even though i'm no specialist. And it made me want those claymore castings scots i started to collect some years ago with a project in mind, only to discover those minis had disappeared from their site! What happened to the range? Are they gone forever? Moved to another of Paul Hicks's company?
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Antidiluvian Miniatures sell the Claymore Castings Scots
https://antediluvianminiatures.wordpress.com/2018/02/07/shop-historical-range/
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Forgot to say they have some new Scots spearmen coming out - see their Facebook page for some painted examples - these are for the Wars of the Bruces range
https://www.facebook.com/antediluvianminiatures/
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I thought it was fine, which is to say better than a lot of recent attempts at pre-black powder historical epics, but not as good as the ones I enjoyed growing up and as a young adult.
I think that in the end it just felt very by-the-numbers, and also much more limited in scope than I had expected. I had kind of hoped for something that covered a longer period of time and ended more-or-less with Scottish independence (which to be fair would have to have covered most of his reigh, from what I gather), and instead we kind of just got the opening shots culminating in one big surprise victory for the Scots.
I also felt like in a couple of instances characters were lacking sufficient motivation for their actions. Two stand-out occurrences of, to me, unjustified "changes of heart" seemed forced for the purpose of pushing the plot forward or contrived suspense.
Anyways, all in all I didn't feel like it was a waste of my time, but I don't know that I'd recommend it or re-watch it anytime soon, either.