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Miniatures Adventure => The Conflicts that came in from the Cold => Topic started by: Ewan on August 26, 2018, 07:51:27 AM
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Amazon have it listed as coming out June 2019 😊
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1472836677/?coliid=I1KTYBF0V5SPX8&colid=WV07HOR91HNE&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
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:o sweet!
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Will there be (plastic) figure support?
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Who knows? They've claimed in the past that their WWII U.S. could be used for Korea, which might not bode well for accuracy if they did make some.
I imagine it will depend on popularity. Late WWII U.S. Infantry would work, so a set of those would have crossover sales. WWII Brits and Commonwealth are somewhat compatible, but not much. Most of the vehicles on both sides are available, with only a few exceptions, so outlaying on PVA and DPRK is the financial risk.
I have to say I never thought we'd see 'Korea' from a high-profile set-up. I had resigned myself to a 'what-if' WWIII, using WWII Soviets in the DPRK role.
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I read this with sceptic. Some times ago they talked about the release of Bolt Action WW1 and stopped it. So let's wait until it is released...
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Indeed, although Korea has that 'sexy tanks' appeal that the Great War does not. Even so I suspect Great War has more potential players. Perhaps whoever was writing it dropped out? It happens.
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Arguably, WW1 has sexier tanks and they saw far more use. I thought it was Victrix who were going to make Great War infantry and then pulled the pin? They went as far as making and displaying 3D renders IIRC.
Bolt Action is platoon + sized n’est ce pas? Patrolling no-mans land aside, Korea probably doesn’t really much accord with the popular memory of Korea, which I suspect is more about human waves of Chinese. That’s assuming that there is much of a popular memory beyond M*A*S*H. Still if they are canny it does give one of their mostly awful sculptors a chance to do a caricature of a certain 2Lt Maurice Micklewhite. ;)
One would have thought the American War in Vietnam would offer more to a range of placky figures and arguably a bigger market. Of course the whole thing is a more or less cynical grab to squeeze the last quid out of their WW2 range.
Carry on!
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I suppose they're starting to look at their existing WWII range and considering how many more expansions are on the lines for it. They could go another decade, however diversifying the line up helps too to keep the player base interested. We don't necessarily need every other battle of WWII covered, at least not if players are inventive enough to write their own scenarios, and Rich H's vehicle design rules cover any equipment not already covered (though I imagine that many are stickler's for actual rules instead of making them up themselves).
Though is this more for an expansion of the existing rules, or an excuse to use the miniatures line? If its the former, then ideally we'd be seeing expansions in future that allow for more dynamic warfare not so constrained by the squad system. If its the later then they may as well go ahead and cover later conflicts too that used WWII era equipment, then start moving into the Cold War and modern period as the newer stuff came in.
I'd avoid most of their infantry, as they'll likely be more of those chunky "Heroic scale" style types, but would be interested in more Cold War style artillery pieces and other specialist weapons that aren't necessarily made by the other companies (there's a shortage of Post-War large equipment currently in 28mm. I don't care about the tanks though, as they'd be 1/56th, and the big modern companies are mostly doing 1/50th unfortunately).
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If they do reasonable Commonwealth figures, I'm definitely in.
If it's Americans only for the UN, possibly.
I do like the idea of them increasing the scope of Bolt Action, opening up the wars of the 1950s.
Presumably if this sells well, Vietnam will be next.
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I imagine that there are more potential and actual Vietnam players than Korean War, so I can't see how that would follow.
If they went for Vietnam and it was successful, I can imagine them thinking Korea might be worth a shot.
I'm with Wyrmalla and see it as squeezing the most sales out of what they have in the catalogue already.
I will be happy to be proved wrong though.
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I would buy plastic Vietnam figures, if decently sculpted, if for no other reason than the bits would be useful for other things.
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Going into a later period may option up the whole company to modern miniatures. Which I've no idea is within their current business scope. 1/56th Cold War vehicles like BMP-1s would be an interesting sight from Warlord, especially if they were to do plastics. However, that's a massive investment for a company that so far has gone all in on covering many nuanced WWII vehicles (and themselves haven't put a dent in that area, with companies like Die Waffenkammer making variants they don't do).
It'd be a big step into a market that's so far already saturated. It least it seemed to be, based on when Kings Hobbies and Games had attempted to run a Vietnam Kickstarter a while back to be met with folks saying that they already had a glut of options. Which is to say that were Warlord to move into a later conflict, they'd likely have to either pick one which wasn't already covered, or release figures nobody else does. And even then, if the individual soldiers weren't just their WWII sets re-used, they'd still wind up making loads of infantry rather than having players use some of their's and then ones from other companies- at least from a marketing standpoint, as they'd need their figures for the artwork in their books.
Which again brings me around to thinking that there may be use in the system for those who already use it for Post-WWII games. But realistically the only interest I'd show is if Warlord were to make models which aren't already covered, or do them better (...). Warlord's better kitted out than the smaller companies to make more complex models, as opposed to single infantry casts. So ideally they'd use that to make larger kits, or more complicated ones like the larger weapons, rather than releasing an infantry line that someone's already done before (I can't speak much for the quality of the Cold War miniatures lines, though some of the big name's ranges seem to be from the "massive gun and chunky feet" era).
TLDR: make me some Cold War Soviet artillery damn it! :)
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Sounds interesting. I certainly think Vietnam would fill a gap in the market as 28mm ranges out there are limited and a bit dated.
A box of plastic marines, army , VC and NVA would be fantastic supported by metals. We have been discussing this lately but did wonder if vietnam was a no go in the minds of US gamers hence limited popularity
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I dunno, I suspect American gamers are used to playing conflicts where they lost.
The range of decent figures covering Vietnam is actually slim pickings. TAG are about the best of a limited pool. I actually quite liked the SpecialmArtizan kickstarter figures, at least the Vietnamese and was going to back them when the pin was pulled. I emailed the owner and ge said he was planning on releasing them some time this year when he had reconfigured the packs.
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Gaming after 1945 has always been a niche, with Vietnam taking the greater cut of that. That cut may have been reduced by the resurrection of 'Team Yankee' era and the entry of the new 'Moderns' (or are we still calling everything Post 9-11 'Ultra-Modern'?), but it is still probably the biggest fish, albeit there are more small ones than there used to be.
It also has longevity due to 'reality' on its side, I wonder how long TY will last... but then VBCW is also a 'what-if' and that has survived ten years, despite the naysayers way-back-when.
Despite my previous comments, if I was Warlord I would think Korea is the logical expansion. Vietnam means new vehicles and figures all round. Korea is barely a push with DPRK/PVA as wholly new figures, U.S. Infantry could double for WWII and even if they produced the M39 AUV, it was used in the closing months of WWII, as were U.S. 57mm & 75mm RCLs. If it proved popular then I guess Commonwealth and ROK stuff would follow.
Wave attack stereotypes aside, it was very much a platoon leader's war by virtue of the terrain, more so than WWII in fact. I don't see it ever eclipsing WWII, but it could prove worthwhile for Warlord.
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You make some interesting points Arlequin.
On the subject of nomenclature, I tend to think of Ultramodern as now with all the new shiny stuff (that will either not work or get cancelled due to budge overruns). Team Yankee and Twilight 2000 are a sort of Retro-Ultramodern ^__^.
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Thinking of Warlord and the possibilities of Ba:Vietnam..
Didn't Walord buy some of the Force of Arms interwar stuff (and a ultra modern Humvee)? Given FOA had a fairly comprehensive Vietnam range, I wonder if that would be a possible starting point...
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Team Yankee and Twilight 2000 are a sort of Retro-Ultramodern ^__^.
Yesterday's tomorrow today? Okay, I can go with that as a label. :)
Didn't Walord buy some of the Force of Arms interwar stuff (and a ultra modern Humvee)? Given FOA had a fairly comprehensive Vietnam range, I wonder if that would be a possible starting point...
I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the modern vehicles weren't sold. I also recall it was a decent range of vehicles too. I also, also seem to recall the figures themselves were quite good on top of that.
Memory is a fickle thing, but not as fickle and petty as what I call a good figure, so they can't have been awful.
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Didn't Force of Arms do a T-55? Seems like that, and if they did any other Cold War vehicles in 1/56th, would be right up Warlord's alley for conflicts around this period. Though I can't speak for their quality, and if that matches Warlord's (which themselves vary).
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I’m up for Korea. My regiment fought there on Cents (before my time mind😳) and I will give this a run on a Platoon / Troop level.
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FoA did a T-55. If it was anything like their Centurion then it would be streets ahead of Warlord Quality wise. Blitzkreig do a T-55, with a 1/48 version due at some point IIRC. The best one for is actually a Chinese made diecast that scales out to 1/50. Accurate and of course robust.
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Vehicle scale is going to be the problem, Korea is probably the latest war where WW2 kit is in the majority, so you would want vehicles to the same scale (1/56).
After that it would appear that 1/50 - 1/48 is the majority scale for vehicles (YMMV). That would be a big jump for Warlord.
I saw the Force of Arms vehicles at Salute one year and sent them an order (just before whatever happened happened). I saw no sign the cheque was cashed.
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I heard that they will be doing a set of plastic Chinese in Winter dress I believe.
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Apart from the Centurion it was all WWII kit, even the M46 was an up-graded M26. No T-55s in the Korean War.
If Swiftnick's and the Commissar's rumour bears fruit, 'Winter PVA' and the existing 'Winter US' will be the starting point I imagine. Cost to Warlord, one box of infantry and a book to test the waters, which is pretty sensible to my mind.
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We've been waiting on Blitzkrieg's 1/50th range for a while now... ¬¬
Yeah, I meant specifically in regards to the T-55 that Warlord bought out a company that had them, and that would do for later conflicts. Not that it appeared in that particular war. Rather it seems a waste not to have bought them, and a lack of foresight for the company's historical range for them not to eventually move into the Cold War period (unless they continue to make more obscure units and equipment - obscure being not the big powers -, which eventually may "bore" people).
Warlord had said that they were doing a Centurion. With this and Clockwork Goblin's 1947 range I'd expect it to come along eventually (its been years since they said that).
People already use their rules for the period, so its logical that they would expand into the immediate Post-WWII area which their existing range may already be compatible with. Accuracy may be dubious of course, though likely not a concern for them immediately (though if they went full on into the range we could see proper uniforms eventually). With the player base that the company's been aiming at being more wargamers than historians (i.e. Ally vs Ally games, like its just a game of 40K), so that's probably not a major concern vs putting out new units and nations.
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I'd have bought in to a 'historic' Conflict '47, as opposed to the weird war variant. Russians and Chinese versus everyone would be a refreshing alternative to nazi-wank.
:)
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Regarding FOA I don't think that would be workable. The M113 I have is more like 1/58th to 1/60th which I had to enlarge to make work work with my TAG M113's. The figures they make though are excellent and I wish I could get hold of more of them.
My money would be on Korea as its an easy expansion on their current ranges.