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Miniatures Adventure => Fantasy Adventures => Topic started by: Zappi on August 31, 2018, 08:50:28 PM
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Hello all!
I found the Mayhem rules when I looked for a 6mm army scale tabletop wargame similar to Warmaster, and discovered two things:
1. Mayhem is awesome
2. There is very little to be found online about it.
Mayhem is a tabletop wargame in the tradition of Warmaster. It allows for creativity and freedom of choice both during army creation and gameplay.
I decided to start a blog to give an impression of the game for any interested gamers, since I'd have liked something like this when I started playing Mayhem. Contents until now:
- A detailed Battle Report with rules explanations, since I like to read battle reports
- Downloadable, printable proxie unit counters I designed for my first games of Mayhem, because they are a really handy way to try out the game
- Army lists to use the Counters with
- A 'shopping list' for 6mm fantasy miniatures, since it took me a while to get an overview. Only Human Empire for now.
More content to come from time to time, I hope you enjoy.
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Zappi
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What a brilliant blog! Going to thoroughly read it all with a cuppa! As someone who has been wanting to do something like this as a project for a while it looks inspiring!
Regarding your search for Imperial Ogres, have you considered using some 10mm figures?
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Interesting stuff!
I really like Mayhem and have played it quite a bit in a variety of scales. It's a great game. The big obstacle to playing it (more) is the effort require to stat up troops. Although there's a Warmaster conversion on the BattleScribe app, the game would be far more playable with a few pages of "bestiary" (e.g. Tolkien-style orcs, Warhammer-style orcs, dwarf infantry of various sorts ...).
That said, every time I've played it, it's been well worth the effort.
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What a brilliant blog! Going to thoroughly read it all with a cuppa! As someone who has been wanting to do something like this as a project for a while it looks inspiring!
Regarding your search for Imperial Ogres, have you considered using some 10mm figures?
Thanks a lot! Creating a blog like this is a lot of fun. It also really helps to document your project progress for yourself. I'll post updates on my various 6mm armies 'regularly' in the future.
Regarding the Ogres: 10mm Ogres are propably the way to go. They'd look a tiny bit bigger than I'd like, but still are the best option. Other ideas would be to use 15/28mm human sized figures, but then the proportions are off, and they'd look like they got lost and wound up in the wrong game...
Splintered Light Miniatures have a unit of heavily armoured orcs that would be appropriate (they also provide heaps of other cool minis that would fit in a 6mm army: Giants, creatures, treemen, griffons, dragons, swarms...). But my favourite would certainly be Black Gate Miniatures: A whole range of characterful 10mm ogres intended for Warmaster, produced by Warmaster Podcasts own Barry, no less. https://www.blackgateminiatures.com/ (https://www.blackgateminiatures.com/)
I'll update the Empire shopping list soon, now that I finally finished the battle report...
I really like Mayhem and have played it quite a bit in a variety of scales. It's a great game. The big obstacle to playing it (more) is the effort require to stat up troops. Although there's a Warmaster conversion on the BattleScribe app, the game would be far more playable with a few pages of "bestiary" (e.g. Tolkien-style orcs, Warhammer-style orcs, dwarf infantry of various sorts ...).
Battlescribe indeed has TWO extensive ranges of army lists. One of them more generic, the other with army specific special rules intended to be balanced against each other. If you want to skip the army design process, there is a lot to choose from. https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/132769/Mayhem-Armies-of-Mayhem (https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/132769/Mayhem-Armies-of-Mayhem)
I found it far more fun to design my own list, however, starting with a typical Warhammer O&G / Empire list. Trying to replicate Warhammer units in Mayhem is awesome and works really well. I used the Battlescribe lists to orient myself regarding which stats a typical human / orc should have. I too would have liked a few guidelines in the rulebook, but Brent Spivey seems to value freedom of choice a lot.
My design principles for units have changed multiple times since I started playing. Would be worth an article by itself, actually. You can design the same unit with widely different levels of details, from bare bone stats only to having half a dozen traits and abilities. I think this is yet another strong point of the rules, that you can design an army with dozens of simple units, or the same army (fluff and points wise) with a few really detailed ones to represent smaller engagements.
I'll do a post on Lizardmen next, the counters are ready, the list finished and I've played a test game with them.
Cheers
Zappi
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Cool looking blog, I will have to have a proper look later.
We played a bit of v1 of Mayhem a few years ago, and I really enjoyed parts of it. We ended up going with home-brew rules to try to match against the needs of all our group.
Regarding getting figures on the table - what our group has often done with WM figures, is just to base up the front rank of a unit - then you can field a spray painted base of troops, without having to worry about trying to paint the 2nd and 3rd ranks of troops. Once you have painted the extra troops they can easily be added to the base. On the other hand - they are 6mm, and its mass battle, so get them painted! Production line painting works very well with smaller scales. And keep the paint jobs simple, go for mass effect not detailed individuals.
For Ogres - would 10/12mm barbarians work - both Pendraken and Kallistra have them. The black gate ogres are very nice, but will be big against 6mm troops.
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Nice blog, Zappi. I'll have a good read when life allows me the time.
There are a few blogs and the like around which touch on Mayhem and Brent Spivey is really good at making comments and giving guidance on the ways people have created their units. I've included a couple of reports at http://tenmilwargames.blogspot.com/search/label/Mayhem (http://tenmilwargames.blogspot.com/search/label/Mayhem)
Rather than see it in the Warmaster vein, which I have never engaged with, I've always regarded it as a more flexible form of Hordes of the Things and have therefore gone more down the 15mm route. I actually like the way that the rules leave the creating of races and units totally down to the user. No rule set is perfect, though, so I have made a few tweeks to make them suit my understanding of various fantasy races.
Anyway, I look forward to watching how things develop.
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Very cool - I handmade some rough tokens when I was trying to learn the mayhem rules too, your look great. It’s a fantastic game.
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Been reading through the blog - its very enjoyable and entertaining.
I think your points after the first Orcs vs Empire battle are very relevant.
I like your thinking about CQ level, and avoiding the best units being d4 all the time. And using the modifiers to put them at the right point, rather than them starting there.
Leadership cost - we have found that in most games players are willing to spend almost anything on better leadership values. Its therefore very hard to balance leadership costs vs units.
Scaling of games - this was one of the bits we kind of stalled with (along with my opponent disliking the roll a 1 to kill a unit, he thought that this made expensive units far too vulnerable).
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Regarding getting figures on the table - what our group has often done with WM figures, is just to base up the front rank of a unit - then you can field a spray painted base of troops, without having to worry about trying to paint the 2nd and 3rd ranks of troops. Once you have painted the extra troops they can easily be added to the base. On the other hand - they are 6mm, and its mass battle, so get them painted! Production line painting works very well with smaller scales. And keep the paint jobs simple, go for mass effect not detailed individuals.
For Ogres - would 10/12mm barbarians work - both Pendraken and Kallistra have them. The black gate ogres are very nice, but will be big against 6mm troops.
Thanks for the tip with front rank only units. I think my OCD may prevent me from doing that... ::) I'll give it a think.
I had a look at the Pendraken and Kallistra barbarians. I think they'd be too small, and again with too 'human' proportions. If someone knows about good 15mm barbarian minis maybe?
There are a few blogs and the like around which touch on Mayhem and Brent Spivey is really good at making comments and giving guidance on the ways people have created their units. I've included a couple of reports at http://tenmilwargames.blogspot.com/search/label/Mayhem (http://tenmilwargames.blogspot.com/search/label/Mayhem)
Rather than see it in the Warmaster vein, which I have never engaged with, I've always regarded it as a more flexible form of Hordes of the Things and have therefore gone more down the 15mm route. I actually like the way that the rules leave the creating of races and units totally down to the user. No rule set is perfect, though, so I have made a few tweeks to make them suit my understanding of various fantasy races.
Brent Spivey answered a rules question I posted on BoardGameGeek in about 30 minutes. That man is the most responsive game designer I know, and he's active in whatever little corner of the internet one of his games is discussed :) . If you have a rules dispute in one of your games, just post it on whatever forum you like and have a cup of tea for half an hour!
I know your blog, actually. Nice Battle reports, clearly written and easy to read pictures.
Dito on Mayhem being a 'more flexible HotT'. I tried to get into HotT while searching for the bestest army scale rules system, but it lost me somewhere around the movement section of the rules. I also could understand the common criticism about a lack of individuality. Every army gets the same units, no way of further customizing individual units (with banners, elite status, traits...) and so on. It is my understanding that it has a lot of 'rock, paper, scissors' dynamics in its unit types, correct? Mayhem has that too, of course.
I like your thinking about CQ level, and avoiding the best units being d4 all the time. And using the modifiers to put them at the right point, rather than them starting there.
Leadership cost - we have found that in most games players are willing to spend almost anything on better leadership values. Its therefore very hard to balance leadership costs vs units.
Scaling of games - this was one of the bits we kind of stalled with (along with my opponent disliking the roll a 1 to kill a unit, he thought that this made expensive units far too vulnerable).
Thanks! How to balance CQ and traits to reflect combat ability has bugged me a long time. I'm quite happy with the current design philosophy you described.
Leadership: I'd like to play a few games with Leadership d10 costing 9 crowns, and d12 costing 16 crowns, along with equally costed standards. That should really allow armies with low leadership to field more basic units (but would you want to?) or a few really expensive ones. I just think having the Leadership decision be a no-brainer is boring. You should have a reward for nerfing your Leadership stat. CQ and BAR costs rise dramatically as you approach the higher end of the spectrum, which makes for interesting decisions. Ld should follow, I think.
Scaling: I'll test the 'personal CP' rule in the future. Each character gets one CP each round on top of the ones you rolled, and only a unit in his Command Range can use it. Should lessen the impact of bigger armies on your CP ressource pool and give each character a bit more of a presence on the battlefield.
The dreaded 'autokill-1'. I don't like it myself. My preferred house rule right now would be to assign two disordered tokens for a critical hit, but the second token doesn't trigger a unit elimination when it is placed. So a fresh unit that receives a critical hit would survive with two Disordered Tokens even if it doesn't have Heavy Armour. Makes it more costly to Rally or Fight On, and more vulnerable to further attacks.
Cheers
Zappi
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I had a look at the Pendraken and Kallistra barbarians. I think they'd be too small, and again with too 'human' proportions. If someone knows about good 15mm barbarian minis maybe?
Copplestone are certainly good barbarians - I've used them as Ogres with 10mm figures. You might want to look at some 15mm orcs to get a different style of figures?
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Copplestone are certainly good barbarians - I've used them as Ogres with 10mm figures. You might want to look at some 15mm orcs to get a different style of figures?
Thanks Fred. Turns out I just found Copplestone via North Stars website earlier today, what a coinkidink! They indeed have great options for Ogres. I ordered some Pict Warriors as 'evil' ogres / orc allies, and Barbarian Characters as semi-Empire Ogres. They look more like Kislev than the Empire, but they sport signs of civilization in their clothing and the beards are indeed very impressive. That's 'Empire' enough for me... :)
Also of note: Copplestone offers awesome Giants: I also ordered both of their Hill Giants today, and some Yetis and Snow Trolls. The latter two I know from Frostgrave publications, but all of them will make great additions to orc / wild tribes 6mm Armies. Looking forward to them. When they arrive, I'll do some size comparison shots with regular 6mm orcs / humans, and how they look on 40mm square bases.
If anyone has more tips for 'proper' empire Ogres, let me know.
Cheers
Zappi
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Battlescribe indeed has TWO extensive ranges of army lists. One of them more generic, the other with army specific special rules intended to be balanced against each other. If you want to skip the army design process, there is a lot to choose from. https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/132769/Mayhem-Armies-of-Mayhem
I found it far more fun to design my own list, however, starting with a typical Warhammer O&G / Empire list. Trying to replicate Warhammer units in Mayhem is awesome and works really well. I used the Battlescribe lists to orient myself regarding which stats a typical human / orc should have. I too would have liked a few guidelines in the rulebook, but Brent Spivey seems to value freedom of choice a lot.
My design principles for units have changed multiple times since I started playing. Would be worth an article by itself, actually. You can design the same unit with widely different levels of details, from bare bone stats only to having half a dozen traits and abilities. I think this is yet another strong point of the rules, that you can design an army with dozens of simple units, or the same army (fluff and points wise) with a few really detailed ones to represent smaller engagements.
Oh, yes - I'm all in favour of designing and individualising units, and I think this is a really strong feature of Mayhem. The only problem is that it does take a while, so it militates against getting a game going on the spur of the moment. The BattleScribe app is a bit fiddly (and doesn't seem to work except on phones, which makes it fiddlier still). So I think a PDF with a few printable pages of (non-prescriptive) sample troop types would really help the game - perhaps with notes on why they're statted as they are. I'd love to see a few different takes on various orc and dwarf units for example. (I confess that I tend to lose my statted-up army lists between games - but I think that in itself is a symptom of how seldom we play it compared with HotT!)
I'd love to see your profiles for various units.
Dito on Mayhem being a 'more flexible HotT'. I tried to get into HotT while searching for the bestest army scale rules system, but it lost me somewhere around the movement section of the rules. I also could understand the common criticism about a lack of individuality. Every army gets the same units, no way of further customizing individual units (with banners, elite status, traits...) and so on. It is my understanding that it has a lot of 'rock, paper, scissors' dynamics in its unit types, correct? Mayhem has that too, of course.
As an enthusiast for both games, I'd say HotT combat offers a lot more than rock/paper/scissors. There's quite a bit of subtle risk/reward built into the troop types. So, for example, if you attack blades with warbands, the warbands are most likely going to lose (all else being equal), but if they win, they'll "quick-kill" the blades rather than just drive them back. That reflects wild shock troops overwhelming disciplined formations - but only if the shock troops manage to break those formations in the first place. But then you can hope to improve the odds by massing your warbands against the blades - either through flanking or through depth - or, preferably, both. If you do that, though, you're committing a lot of your army to one stratagem. And so on: given that there are 20 troop types, there are presumably 400 sets of considerations you might have to run through during a game!
Also, while every army has access to the same unit types, it's highly unlikely that every army will field the same unit types. And in a standard army, you're probably only going to field a few types at most (things like spears, warbands, shooters and hordes benefit from greater numbers, so you'll tend to spend a lot of your points on them). So the flavour of each army comes not from the troop types that it can draw on, but the combinations of troop types that are actually fielded. An army with a lot of warbands, hordes and beasts will play very differently from one with a lot of hordes, knights and shooters - even though both have a lot of hordes. So you get a lot of 'army' flavour even if the 'unit' flavour is only visual. In other words, a HotT orc army feels and plays very differently from a HotT elf army.
Both are great games, I reckon - and both work well with really large armies, which isn't true of every (supposedly) massed battle game!
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For ogres, how about these chaps? They're Magister Militum 15mm orcs. You can see them in 10mm context here (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=77384.msg1263833#msg1263833).
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Hi, I actually tried Mayhem out because of an excellent battle report a few years ago here on LAF. It really walked you thru the rules. I immediately picked up the rules as did my buddy and son. We then played our 1st game. There are some really great mechanics in the rules. Overdrive is just great. Sadly, when we played we found the rules layout and explanations were very unclear and confusing at times. We walked away. I toyed with the idea of editing them into something more coherent. It was just too much work. We wanted these to be our set of rules. We really did. Maybe if there were more online materials explaining things it would have helped or we had played with someone more versed in the rules.
I'm glad others love the rules. There is lots of goodness in them. I do hope the Blog helps others look at the rules.
Thanks.
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Hobgoblin:
Those Ogres are amazing! I investigated, and will add them to the Empire shopping list...
The BattleScribe app is a bit fiddly (and doesn't seem to work except on phones, which makes it fiddlier still). So I think a PDF with a few printable pages of (non-prescriptive) sample troop types would really help the game - perhaps with notes on why they're statted as they are. I'd love to see a few different takes on various orc and dwarf units for example.
That's odd. I couldn't get it to work on my phone at all (it wouldn't accept the army list files), only on the PC. Still it is quite cumbersome to use, and in the end I used a custom made Excel sheet to design units and army lists. I'll make the Excel file available on the blog once it's a bit more polished.
So I think a PDF with a few printable pages of (non-prescriptive) sample troop types would really help the game - perhaps with notes on why they're statted as they are. I'd love to see a few different takes on various orc and dwarf units for example.
That would be another nice idea for a blog post. Anybody here that has something like this and wants to share? For a start there are my army lists for Orcs and Empire in the respective 'Clash of Old Enemies' entries, along with a bit of commentary about design decisions, although now a bit outdated already :)
But a generic guideline of standard troop types would definitively help a lot with making various army lists 'comparable', as in giving you something to compare them against. Like "My Empire list uses lots of light and medium infantry, but they all get the 'Disciplined' trait because of their training." Using generic statlines as a baseline should make armies easier to read, while making the deviations stand out more and give the units their specific flavour. This is on my to-do list once I get a really good grasp of what 'feels right' (to me, at least). Something to do after a lot more games.
Both are great games, I reckon - and both work well with really large armies
Thanks for the detailed info about HotT. Can you explain how balanced the command points generation feels? IIRC you get one d6 each no matter what, which feels really swingy. Roll three ones in a row and lose the game?? The comparison of HotT to Mayhem in this regard was what made me chose the latter, because Mayhem models CP generation on the command structure you bring to the table. It can be targeted, interrupted and deteriorate during the course of the battle. I like that a lot in Mayhem.
Hi, I actually tried Mayhem out because of an excellent battle report a few years ago here on LAF. It really walked you thru the rules. I immediately picked up the rules as did my buddy and son. We then played our 1st game. There are some really great mechanics in the rules. Overdrive is just great. Sadly, when we played we found the rules layout and explanations were very unclear and confusing at times. We walked away. I toyed with the idea of editing them into something more coherent. It was just too much work. We wanted these to be our set of rules. We really did.
You wouldn't happen to have a link to this report? Was it the one with all the awesome 80's action stars in it?
About rules clarity: I read a lot of army scale rulesets, and boy do they get fiddly and confusing. I personally found Mayhem to be easy to understand and quite clear on most mechanics. Do you remember any particular things that were unclear?
This is not to say that we came across no unclear situations in our games. I have begun to assemble a FAQ by gathering all rules explanations I found. Brent Spivey answered a lot of questions online, so many things got cleared up already, but you have to hunt those answers across a lot of platforms. Hey Brent, any chance for a revised edition?
Maybe if there were more online materials explaining things it would have helped or we had played with someone more versed in the rules.
I'm glad others love the rules. There is lots of goodness in them. I do hope the Blog helps others look at the rules.
That's what I thought. I really like the game system and noted the lack of recent online material. My blog is (in part) my little contribution to making Mayhem more popular.
Cheers
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Hobgoblin:
Those Ogres are amazing! I investigated, and will add them to the Empire shopping list...
Thanks! I think the Blood Dawn orcs are pretty much the best fit for Empire-style ogres in smaller scales. Most of the orcs in that range are a little smaller than these ones ("armoured orcs"?), but they're still fairly ogreish for 10mm and below.
That's odd. I couldn't get it to work on my phone at all (it wouldn't accept the army list files), only on the PC. Still it is quite cumbersome to use, and in the end I used a custom made Excel sheet to design units and army lists. I'll make the Excel file available on the blog once it's a bit more polished.
I use a Mac; it doesn't work on that. I also found it extremely counter-intuitive to use on the phone. Every time I look at it, I find I've forgotten how to get to the troop types!
But a generic guideline of standard troop types would definitively help a lot with making various army lists 'comparable', as in giving you something to compare them against. Like "My Empire list uses lots of light and medium infantry, but they all get the 'Disciplined' trait because of their training." Using generic statlines as a baseline should make armies easier to read, while making the deviations stand out more and give the units their specific flavour. This is on my to-do list once I get a really good grasp of what 'feels right' (to me, at least). Something to do after a lot more games.
You've nailed it with getting a "really good grasp". That's always been the problem for me. It's ironic, because I like to have troop profiles that reflect the models used, rather than assumptions based on (say) Warhammer. Mayhem should be the perfect game for that, but the lack of sample profiles makes it a bit hard to gauge what a block of huge Essex orcs (they're the size of mid-80s GW ogres) should look like on paper.
It's certainly a game where two players could stat up their armies in good faith and come to the table with wildly differing profiles for similar troops.
Thanks for the detailed info about HotT. Can you explain how balanced the command points generation feels? IIRC you get one d6 each no matter what, which feels really swingy. Roll three ones in a row and lose the game?? The comparison of HotT to Mayhem in this regard was what made me chose the latter, because Mayhem models CP generation on the command structure you bring to the table. It can be targeted, interrupted and deteriorate during the course of the battle. I like that a lot in Mayhem.
I've never found the d6 roll particularly swingy in HotT. There are two reasons for that. First, HotT turns are really fast - before combat's joined, they often take place in less than a minute. With standard 24-AP armies, you're just as likely to have spare points left on a high roll than insufficient on a low one. That's because it takes 1 AP to move a whole block of troops. So, say you've massed your warbands on your right flank: they'll all be grouped together and will only need 1 AP to advance over open country. Early in the game, a string of ones probably just means that you advance a little more disjointedly. And given the short movement distances and the disruption caused by terrain, there are generally quite a lot of turns before battle is joined - unless fliers are involved. That means that there's a lot of time for the rolls to even out.
Second, the d6 roll really only covers movement, magic and deploying off-board elements (returning hordes, dragons, gods, etc) So for many armies, it just covers movement. Shooting and combat happen automatically. That means that you're not entirely reliant on activations to pursue your strategy once the armies have closed.
I'd stress again that HotT/Mayhem isn't an either/or thing. As all the base depths in HotT are "recommended minima", you can play a perfectly good (and even book-legal) game of HotT with Mayhem blocks.
About rules clarity: I read a lot of army scale rulesets, and boy do they get fiddly and confusing. I personally found Mayhem to be easy to understand and quite clear on most mechanics. Do you remember any particular things that were unclear?
I agree with this. From memory, there is one thing that's a bit confusing: the differences between 'drive back' and 'beat back', I think. Of Brent's games, I think the real heartbreaker is Havoc, which is a brilliant game buried in an overlong and badly (or un-) edited rulebook. I'd love to see a second edition of that.
That's what I thought. I really like the game system and noted the lack of recent online material. My blog is (in part) my little contribution to making Mayhem more popular.
It's a worthy endeavour! I might even try to get a game in at the weekend.
I have remembered, though, the one thing I don't like about Mayhem, though (the lack of sample troops isn't a dislike, just a minor inconvenience): some of the weapon profiles. It seems to me that the game has been influenced more by RPGs (or perhaps computer games?) than military history in this regard. Take blunt weapons for example. Why should they negate] heavy armour? The sort of weapons developed for use against plate armour were often spiky rather than blunt: warhammers, poleaxes and the like. I can see that a troop of ogres with huge clubs might be a counter against heavy armour, but a bunch of orcs with maces or clubs aren't likely to be any greater threat to armoured knights than a bunch of orcs with axes or swords.
In the same vein, axes as a counter against shields seems both dubious and overly specific for a massed-battle game.
The extra action point used for great weapons strikes me as an RPG balancing mechanic rather than anything reflecting reality: Dacians with falxes or huscarls with Danish axes don't need extra effort to cause huge damage: these weapons were pretty light. And even massive two-handed swords are generally lighter than a sword and shield combination. The battlefield cost of using a two-handed weapon should be the lack of a shield or the need for heavy armour.
I also don't think heavy crossbows should ignore heavy armour, either. They might be more effective against it, but I'd imagine that a group of 15th-century men-at-arms in full plate would cope a bit better with volleys of crossbow bolts than
And then there's the "swords as a counter versus infantry" rule. That's a real headscratcher: one-handed swords were generally sidearms to be used if the primary weapon (spear, axe, etc) was lost. So this makes little sense to me.
That's where HotT does do things better, I think: grouping troops according to fighting style rather than weaponry. In HotT, warbands might be armed with targe and shield, falxes or two-handed axes - or any other sort of melee weaponry. What matters, though, is that they're fast, aggressive and potentially devastating, though with limited staying power. Similarly, blades might have two-handed swords, gladius and shield, poleaxes or a mixture of weapons. What matters is that they're heavily armoured, stable and deadly. I think that's really the better approach for a "zoomed-out" mass-battle game.
All that said, though, my objection to the Mayhem weapon rules is pretty minor. In our games, I've tended to ignore them (excepting spears and lances, which work well). Instead of using the "great weapons" rule, I've just lowered (i.e. upped!) the CQ of the unit so that it hits harder. And I've ignore swords, axes and blunt weapons (except for ogre-sized creatures in the last case). So the weapon thing isn't a strike against the game itself - it's entirely detachable.
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Hobgoblin:
Thanks for the reply, I got swamped in real life and forgot to answer. Your explanations for HotTs peculiarities were very helpful, I've put the system on my mental 'Try it out sometime' list again... Regarding Mayhem, we agree on the need for some basic conventions on unit representation, so armies don't vary too much between comparable troops. I'll certainly try to give it a shot and do a blog post on that, once I find a system I'm happy with. Regarding the sword-paper-scissors of weapon keywords: What you wrote is a good description of my own concerns. I just couldn't put my finger on it like you did. The system feels like it is missing some countermeasures against certain troop types, while giving too specific options in other areas - like axes being very specific against shields. My initial thoughts were to switch the keywords to more generic things like "Anti-Cav", "Anti-Armour", "Impact-Weapon" etc., giving mainly soft counters, and balancing in-built bonuses with negatives. Haven't thought about it a lot, though.
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My blog has been updated with new projects. Two Warmaster Armies have found their way into my possession, and after a lengthy phase of too-much-real-life I started to paint like a madman (at least for my standards...). I dabbled in Warmaster a bit - it recently got updated to a well received, revised edition by a fan community - and will use the armies for both systems. Over the next "few" (ahem) weeks, the plan is to get units finished and on the table, develop Mayhem army lists for Tomb Kings and High Elves, and finally arrive at another detailed battle report. If all goes to plan, all this will result in new content on the blog. I've documented my painting in a post that I will update every few days, so feel free to visit from time to time, I need the feedback :)
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Comments here or on the blog welcome. To start off: Anyone know of a good way to paint sandy desert bases? My previous attempts resulted in much hilarity. Also, does anyone know of a supplier for 40mm square movement trays? I need to Mayhem-y up my Warmaster bases (40x20mm) into 40mm square units. Warmaster 3-stand units are actually perfect for Mayhem use, as I can swap out the first stand: Either take the command unit stand (for standart carrying units) or the generic second and third stands for vanilla units.
Thanks!
Zappi
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"Onwards, lads!"
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Nice work on the WM figures