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Miniatures Adventure => Medieval Adventures => Topic started by: Khurasan Miniatures on September 08, 2018, 03:45:18 AM
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Am considering making a 28mm medieval range. Obviously some periods are totally covered! I’ve suggested a few that might still be a bit open.
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I voted mid 15th century as that would appeal to me the most, not because it's 'needed'.
I think the Crecy period would benefit from a COMPLETE, modern range if you know what I mean.
When I look into other periods and find there is 'a range' for them, but i just consists of a few packs.... I quickly lose interest.
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I've gone with late 12th, but to specify, I think 3rd Crusade is under-represented in good miniatures.
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A proper range of Baltic Pagans.
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I'd actually like another option - mid-later C14th century, especially Italians. Never been able to find a decent, extensive range which would let me do things like the War of Chioggia.
Although, I know you've got your 15mm C14th century range, so hopefully we'll see Italians appearing in that? (If so and they're anything like as good as your C16th range that'll be another thing on my list...)
Can appreciate you wouldn't necessarily want to replicate in 28mm, so I voted the C13th option :D
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I'm always on the look out for early C14th. Particularly the Scottish Wars of Independence.
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"Still open" !?
Artillerymen for Turco/Muslim/Indian 15th century => could be used for Timurides, Indians (Muslims or Hindus) , steppe armies, etc...
Some decent Arab / Turk / Mongol armored cavalry 15th Century ! And Mounted Bowmen !
Well, take all the Steppe / Mongols / Indians / Central Asia / even Muslims army lists for 14th or 15th century , and you have a lots to make :)
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Late 12th, although I am thinking actually on the period 1180s-1220s
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I'm always on the look out for early C14th. Particularly the Scottish Wars of Independence.
Andrew Taylor from Antediluvian Miniatures has started working on a range for the Scottish Wars of Independence. Check out their Facebook page for more information: https://www.facebook.com/antediluvianminiatures/ (https://www.facebook.com/antediluvianminiatures/)
I think the Crecy period would benefit from a COMPLETE, modern range if you know what I mean.
Claymore Castings is working on a very nice range for the Crecy/Poitiers era. Lately, they've been putting out lots of new products for that range. And even though the range is far from being complete, it still has a lot of beautiful miniatures that are worthy of attention. http://www.claymorecastings.co.uk/ (http://www.claymorecastings.co.uk/)
I'd actually like another option - mid-later C14th century, especially Italians. Never been able to find a decent, extensive range which would let me do things like the War of Chioggia.
I agree. I'd love to see a range based on all the Condottieri wars from the late 14th century. Recreating the campaigns of John Hawkwood in Italy is one of my biggest hobby dreams.
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Andrew Taylor from Antediluvian Miniatures has started working on a range for the Scottish Wars of Independence. Check out their Facebook page for more information: https://www.facebook.com/antediluvianminiatures/ (https://www.facebook.com/antediluvianminiatures/)
Claymore Castings is working on a very nice range for the Crecy/Poitiers era. Lately, they've been putting out lots of new products for that range. And even though the range is far from being complete, it still has a lot of beautiful miniatures that are worthy of attention. http://www.claymorecastings.co.uk/ (http://www.claymorecastings.co.uk/)
I agree. I'd love to see a range based on all the Condottieri wars from the late 14th century. Recreating the campaigns of John Hawkwood in Italy is one of my biggest hobby dreams.
And both are sculpted by Matthew Bickley. Imo he is doing incredible work for Claymore Castings. I would that he would sculpt lots of ranges between 10th until 16th century ! :-D
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Actually yes, for our 15mm late 14th C range the Italians and Spanish will be released together because their infantry were basically identical (except for some local types in Spain). Of course the men at arms were different.
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A proper range of Baltic Pagans.
Yes!
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End 14th century . First Italien war, Swiss/swabian war. Only Tag have some Figures.
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Baltic Pagans always get my vote!
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Baltic Pagans, a decent C12th/13th Russian range and would loudly echo comments above re the 3rd Crussde (particularly some decent Ghulam types).
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Later (post 1204) Byzantines and other figures for the Balkans from 13th to 15th century.
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Later (post 1204) Byzantines and other figures for the Balkans from 13th to 15th century.
Yes : excellent idea !
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I voted late 12th but I feel all the three middle ranges could do with more attention. I agree with the problem of many medieval ranges being covered only by a few packs I understand that this in some cases comes down to the popularity or lack of of some periods but I feel perhaps some manufacturers should think about how they can complement existing ranges done by other companies.
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AFAIK V&V miniatures will do a small Baltic range to fight against their Crusaders / teutonics.
(https://vminiatures.com/image/cache/data/28mm_crusade_2-max-770.png) (https://vminiatures.com/image/cache/data/28mm_crusade_4-max-770.png)
Last week I received their first crusader pack and the mini does look as detailed as in the picture. It's incredible to think it's a 28mm mini.
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I voted late 12th but I feel all the three middle ranges could do with more attention. I agree with the problem of many medieval ranges being covered only by a few packs I understand that this in some cases comes down to the popularity or lack of of some periods but I feel perhaps some manufacturers should think about how they can complement existing ranges done by other companies.
Totally agree
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Totally agree
Isn't also that today most miniature companies make only a couple of packs so you can make a Lion Rampant or Saga warband and be done with it.
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Isn't also that today most miniature companies make only a couple of packs so you can make a Lion Rampant or Saga warband and be done with it.
Indeed ! And if you want to make an army, it becomes really difficult if there is little (or none) the same ranges from others brands !
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Indeed ! And if you want to make an army, it becomes really difficult if there is little (or none) the same ranges from others brands !
True, but that is the trend nowadays. It's the same for fantasy. As I am more focused on small warbands it isn't a problem for me, but I can imagine that if you want to make a huge mass ranked army with lots of different units and artillery etc.. it will be a very difficult task.
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A proper range of Baltic Pagans.
This.
Also I would like a range of generic medieval armed pesants.
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I'll second the generic medieval armed peasants. They could be done so they'd be useful for a several periods.
A range of heads with region/periodspecific headwear, beards and hair length would go a long way too.
Possibly something similar for weapons?
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Excellent idea the generic medieval armed peasants !
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Could name a number of niches dear to my heart. For example, I'd love more models in 'German' fashioned armour and clothing throughout the Medieval period.
However, a more sober choice is perhaps a dedicated mid- to late 12th century range. This would cover a lot of interesting theatres like the Anarchy in Britain, the Hohenstaufen campaigns in Italy, or the 2nd and 3rd Crusade with the infamous battle of Hattin inbetween. So far there are a couple of packs by Black Tree, the Perrys' Hospitallers, and the Fireforge kits (missed something?). While all serviceable, a single range of modern and historically accurate miniatures would certainly meet people's interest.
PS: Please also consider making them available via European resellers. ;)
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Later (post 1204) Byzantines and other figures for the Balkans from 13th to 15th century.
Ditto.
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Western Europe is pretty well covered in all these periods. I agree with folks who are interested in Byzantium/Balkans, or Central Asia in these periods. Or even, dare I say, China?
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I'd like to see more options for late 12th-early 13th century which would cover Albigensian Crusades, Bouvines War, First Barons War...etc. I love the armor of the period.
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Bretonnian, lol
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Timurid without a doubt.
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Voting closes in just a few days!
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Late 12th early 13th, and funnily enough late 13th early 14th in my opinion.
I personally would like to see early 13th for the Cathar crusades and first Barons war.
Cheers
Matt
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Wow, late 12th looks like it's getting a lot of love. That'd be an attractive set to me. Of course, what most people think of as a 3rd crusade aesthetic is actually a mid 13th century look. So I usually have to throw away half of the minis in a given set for looking too maciejowski bible.
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I'd suggest someone to bring XIII Spanish army on the Tabletop: useful for Aragonese-Catalan expansion: Mallorca, Albigesan Crusade, Vesper War in Sicily and Catalan Company.
Almughavar from Eureka are nice, but no proper cavalry (helmets are different) and totally no proper Jinetes (light cavalry). I have lot of images for the period (check also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mural_paintings_of_the_conquest_of_Majorca (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mural_paintings_of_the_conquest_of_Majorca)) and draws.
Alan Touller made a dedicated nice range in 15 mm, that could be another good starting point for 28mm version.
With a little effort (head swap for more modern helmets like bacinet) Jinetes can be used from 1200 to late 1400, so HYW as well. Almughavar can looks the part for Baltic regions too (pellisson jacket).
Of course dedicated Muslim armies for riconquista could also be a nice addition, up to date Hat has a range, but it's for earlier period 1000-1100 (El Cid) and totally unmixable with other manifacturers.
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My vote would have been anything from Ian Heath's WRG Armies of the Middle Ages v2, Eastern Europe or Persians/Mughuls.
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So late 12th century won. Now that that's been settled, what size are historical 28mm figurines these days? Are they 28mm to eye, or 30mm to eye? My sculptor told me that he's been making things 30mm to eye lately. Any thoughts?
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So late 12th century won. Now that that's been settled, what size are historical 28mm figurines these days? Are they 28mm to eye, or 30mm to eye? My sculptor told me that he's been making things 30mm to eye lately. Any thoughts?
I am a big fan of the Early HYW metals from Claymore Casting sculpted by Matthew Bickley, so that style / size would be perfect. The other company I really like are V&V miniatures. Fantastic miniatures but these are more 30mm.
Either size for me is good, so long as the sculpts are of that quality. For me Matthew Bickley and the sculptor from V&V miniatures are the standard other companies should try to achieve. Imo ofcourse. ;-)
Late 12th century is a great choice!
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Personally, I would like to see all minis in 1/48 scale, which is common for model airplanes and some tanks and trucks.
That's more like 30mm to the eye than 28mm.
Just my two cents.
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Found this too late to vote, but actually late 12th century would be a really good choice. Or early 13th C. But still around 1200 AD.
what size are historical 28mm figurines these days? Are they 28mm to eye, or 30mm to eye?
28mm to the eye, or even a bit smaller. Some big companies (well, Warlord) actually do plastic ancients at 25mm or 26mm to the eye, so 28mm to the top of the skull or even top of the helmet. But I'd say 28mm to the eye is shared by most, so gives best synenergies. 30mm to the eye I find clearly too big.
Personally, I've starterd to dream about Byzantines in late 12th and early 13th century, and have found out that there's practically nothing in 28mm or even 25mm available. There's a lot until late 11th C, and of course many can be used into the 12th C, and even later for poorly equipped troops. But ca. 1150-1250 Byzantines is clearly lacking on the market. They probably wouldn't be your first choice, as western/crusading armies are more in vogue, but if you start this project in earnest, I hope at one point you could do something that could be used as Byzantines too. Khurasan 15mm are great, and I would be very keen to see you work on 28mm historicals!
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So late 12th century won. Now that that's been settled, what size are historical 28mm figurines these days? Are they 28mm to eye, or 30mm to eye? My sculptor told me that he's been making things 30mm to eye lately. Any thoughts?
May we know who is the sculptor behind the range?
*fingers crossed that it is Matthew Bickley or Paul Hicks*
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28mm to the eye ANYTING ELSE IS NOT 28MM THAT'S THE LAW.
Make them so they fit in with the Perry size figures, Perry are roughly in the middle size/heft wise with other brands.
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28mm to the eye ANYTING ELSE IS NOT 28MM THAT'S THE LAW.
Make them so they fit in with the Perry size figures, Perry are roughly in the middle size/heft wise with other brands.
Agreed M'Lud.
Matching Perry sculpts would be good but an alternative is the (very) slightly larger Fireforge, which despite their clumsy over-sized weapons are very nice figures.
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horsies
(https://i.imgur.com/y4iK5Gu_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=High)
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28mm to the eye ANYTING ELSE IS NOT 28MM THAT'S THE LAW.
Make them so they fit in with the Perry size figures, Perry are roughly in the middle size/heft wise with other brands.
Roger that
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I voted mid 15th century as that would appeal to me the most, not because it's 'needed'.
I think the Crecy period would benefit from a COMPLETE, modern range if you know what I mean.
Claymore Castings? They are certainly getting there and the last time I spoke to them they had no plans to stop.
Darrell.
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horsies
(https://i.imgur.com/y4iK5Gu_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=High)
Like them a lot! More often than not horses are the weak spot in many ranges!
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The horses look good. I'm so glad this period won. Ive been trying to build forces for this time period using all kinds of miniatures.
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Not the period I voted for, but you cant have too much chainmail :)
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I might be getting a little aHEAD of myself here, but here are three of the head doll parts for the late 12th Century range. Of course they were made without the chainmail coifs because those will need to be added based on the position of the head on the knight’s body. Also this way they’ll be usable for infantrymen who might not have a coif.
(https://i.imgur.com/co5xcCM_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=High)
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I might be getting a little aHEAD of myself here, but here are three of the head doll parts for the late 12th Century range. Of course they were made without the chainmail coifs because those will need to be added based on the position of the head on the knight’s body. Also this way they’ll be usable for infantrymen who might not have a coif.
(https://i.imgur.com/co5xcCM_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=High)
These miniatures are looking great! Keep up the good work! I can't wait to see more.
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I am really enjoying painting the V&V crusader range, but I have to say your previews look really good.
I would love to see some late 12th century Knight Hospitallers
or something like this:
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5c/1f/00/5c1f00373e685f962c5e715c642da97f.jpg)
(http://mirageswar.com/uploads/posts/1208114958_911.gif)
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/41/83/94/418394bc8b800a4dc18b2700825d59d6.jpg)
Anyway I am looking forward to your range! The sculpting detail seems of the same level as Claymore Castings and V&V and that's great!
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Thanks — those guys have surcoats and the late 12th Century was still very much dominated by a surcoatless appearance so the dollies reflect that.
(https://i.imgur.com/tQpaIID_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=high)
The surcoat doesn’t become predominant until the 13th century. That said we will certainly make some knights in surcoats.
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That looks great! Do you have an ETA?
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Very nice, keep em coming!
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Those are looking nice, starting to salivate slightly.
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Most excellent, time for first Barons war I think!
Cheers
Matt
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that chainmail is sublime :-*
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my Vote is for Fall of the East 1450's Byzantines and Turks. :D
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Thanks — those guys have surcoats and the late 12th Century was still very much dominated by a surcoatless appearance so the dollies reflect that.
In western Europe yes, but surely in the Holy Land cloth surcoats were worn as protection from the sun, especially in the Military Orders such as Hospitallers, where they were a cassock of sorts?
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Actually the military orders were not given permission to wear surcoats into battle until the middle of the 13th century. Before that they either went to battle in plain chainmail or in their monks robes (over their armour) — which one was the case is hotly debated.
This thread has a good discussion of the topic of surcoats.
http://myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.29986.html
As I say I’ll certainly be making knights in surcoats as well, both under and over their hauberks.
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Right, so not a surcoat as such, more of a dirty habit.
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I've never really looked too deeply at available medieval ranges, but I've always toyed with the idea of collecting stuff based on the campaigns of Llywelyn ap Gruffydd. No idea if anything suitable is out there!
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Right, so not a surcoat as such, more of a dirty habit.
And many believe not even that.
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Oh wow this is looking very promising already. I am excited!
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Oh they're beautiful!
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Good. Good... :D
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Baltic Pagans, a decent C12th/13th Russian range and would loudly echo comments above re the 3rd Crussde (particularly some decent Ghulam types).
Agreed!
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@Khurasan Miniatures, Do you have another preview for us? :D
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Miles on Unarmoured horse.
(http://khurasanminiatures.tripod.com/11th-century-preview2.jpg)
(http://khurasanminiatures.tripod.com///11th-century-sample1.jpg)
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Looks fantastic! I will order when available.
Do you have another preview? :-*
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Been tweaking the sample and working on some dollies.
I think what I’m going to do is use the sample to show what the models will look like (get it painted up etc) and then run a Kickstarter.
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Been tweaking the sample and working on some dollies.
I think what I’m going to do is use the sample to show what the models will look like (get it painted up etc) and then run a Kickstarter.
A kickstarter? Fine for me. Do you think it will be in 2019?
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Yes it would be.
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I had a knight built up and painted (by Jack Sarge) to give a sense of what the range will look like. I’m thinking of kickstarting the mounted knights first, then doing pedites and foot knights if that is successful. Thoughts?
(http://khurasanminiatures.tripod.com/late-12th-c.jpg)
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My thought? It's a pity I'm broke at present :'(
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Nice.