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Miniatures Adventure => Fantasy Adventures => Topic started by: KONNOC on September 26, 2018, 06:09:42 PM
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Just stunning terrain.... absolutely amazing. Created by a Weta Workshop Sculptor!!!!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/troubadour/hagglethorn-hollow (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/troubadour/hagglethorn-hollow)
In depth video of the terrain... alot of which is available in the Kickstarter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebQU7GipJcA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebQU7GipJcA)
Enjoy!
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I am in on this one, best non-scratchbuilt fantasy scenery I ever have seen. The intro video is worth watching.
If the production and delivery is as professional as the modelling and KS campaign this will be a winner.
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Probably worth mentioning that these will also be available digitally as 3d printable files in a later Kickstarter campaign.
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That's probably some of the best looking stuff I've seen... I'll definitely be in this one too....
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Honestly, if we're getting into those kinds of prices I still find Tabletop Worlds far superior. The Hagglethorn stuff is more whimsical I guess but it looks a bit cruder made to my eyes.
https://www.tabletop-world.com/
(https://www.tabletop-world.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/CottageII.jpg)
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Nice but way too pricey for me
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Honestly, if we're getting into those kinds of prices I still find Tabletop Worlds far superior. The Hagglethorn stuff is more whimsical I guess but it looks a bit cruder made to my eyes.
Until I saw these I agree that the TTW were the "best", being easily as high quality but more fantasy styled than the Manorhouse Workshop buildings which I also rate very highly.
I think it is the exaggerated whimsical, sort of ramshackle look of these that is so appealing. As the sculptor admits, very strongly influenced by the Jim Henson, Tim Burton and Arthur Rackham vision of fantasy worlds.
I want them for Moonstone mainly (which as a game is equally whimsical) but they will also work for a Cadwallon based skirmish game I have been thinking about.
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Honestly, if we're getting into those kinds of prices I still find Tabletop Worlds far superior. The Hagglethorn stuff is more whimsical I guess but it looks a bit cruder made to my eyes.
https://www.tabletop-world.com/
(https://www.tabletop-world.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/CottageII.jpg)
Agree completely. But both are pricey enough that I'm not jumping after either.
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These look great, more whimsical than Tabletop World, but just as nice to my jaundiced eye.
I am surprised that the cost for painted is not that much greater than unpainted. The times I have gotten Dwarven Forge, I got unpainted as it saves so much (painted usually adds another 30-40%). I hope these guys aren't going to get into trouble by pricing the painting so low - 10% or so.
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I imagine the painting will just be slapdash with some woodstain chucked over the top.
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I really like these, but imagine postage from the other side of the planet is going to be crippling. Definitely dig the 'faerytale' vibe they embody, although I'd personally prefer them with a more 'gothic' paintjob. Looks like he's smashed his goal in no time at all.
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Well for me it's finally something that will have very little postage... however the price of the rest is way to high for me, lol.
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Apparently all production and painting is being done in China and bulk shipped to local distribution points.
They estimate $25 in UK/Europe for the two building pledges which is not bad. I have had US manufacturers try and charge me that for shipping 2 28mm figures >:(
I do wonder about the implications of getting the production done in China given the tendency for "after market" versions of high quality resin models to start appearing.
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I'm sure he won't be too fussed. He'll sell the STL files next and make a buck more.
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Yes. I think this may well be a one-off campaign.
It is growing steadily and has smashed the target, interesting to see if he keeps it growing by adding in pieces he originally lined up for a later release (the haunted wood stuff and the Labyrinth) or was not planned to be sold (the city wall).
Personally I hope not (I couldn't afford it :'( )
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The larger buildings are now available as add ons without the included dungeon level, effectively making them "Street Level" like most tabletop buildings.
Also has the benefit of making them about 30% cheaper!
The "Street Level" Tavern is still a hefty 12" high, 12" long and 9" wide and available fully painted for $85 ($75 unpainted)
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/troubadour/hagglethorn-hollow/description (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/troubadour/hagglethorn-hollow/description)
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Yes... some may consider this thread necromancy but I think it is important to bring the older comments into the ongoing discussion as we, hopefully, grow ever closer to the fulfillment of this KS.
Folks in NZ have had theirs. ShipQuest and QML have said fulfillment should begin very soon, like next week soon.
https://de-de.facebook.com/tabletoptroubadour/photos/pb.1052936691384533.-2207520000../4062600397084799/?type=3&theater
And...
https://www.shipquest.co.uk/blog/eu-blog-april-13th
And...
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=235268181718125&set=a.216441693600774
Seeing examples from folks in NZ has me much less worried about the factory paintwork.
But this has been such a challenging KS. The communication from JFA and Ike has been terrible. Delays are to be expected with KS but there is no excuse for poor communication in this age of online communities.
Will there be more kickstarters from them? Will they do the STL campaign with Printable Scenery? Will they do the Zombicide bases in partnership with CMON? Will we ever see Johnny’s trees?
Will the management of this KS affect your willingness to back them in the future? Or do you think the final product may make it all worthwhile?
Edit: Tabletop Troubadour has stated in their latest update that the STL campaign with Printable Scenery will be in 8 weeks.
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Further to the last... last night we got three emails with tracking numbers from ShipQuest, the EU fulfillment center for HH. Another step closer!
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Given the nature of the thread it's not a problem to add information on fulfilment of the kickstarter to this thread. Believe me, I've seen a lot worse (people restarting conversations on 10 year old threads with posters who haven't been online for 4 years, etc!).
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That's great news, Rick! Looking forward to your pics and reaction.
Still kicking myself for not getting into this. I thought a few times about clicking on their "Late Pledge" button. But as the years stretched on, I didn't think it would fulfill. Glad for everyone that did go in that I was wrong on that score!
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Well, until the boxes are here I am going to try not to get my hopes too high but yeah that is difficult given how much my wife and I loved the HH aesthetic the minute we saw it on YouTube.
We went in big, the whole village and some add ons... factory painted.
So thankfully I do not have a huge addition to my workload with HH... however....
Our Tabletop World buildings have been sitting unpainted because I wanted to wait until HH arrived to ensure I painted a complimentary paint scheme. So once HH arrives I can start feeling guilty about those being undone.
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I went all in with the painted set, which not a small sum! I'm very anxiously awaiting this to arrive. The approach TTG has taken with communication is complete garbage. Never speaking directly or answering questions has cost them hundreds of backers with future campaigns. Using a barely knowledgeable JK as a middleman was a very poor choice. Delays are expected with kickstarters, but that's where constant communication fills in the gaps. The kickstarter will deliver, but i consider the overall campaign a huge failure.
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Ugh I almost backed this glad I did not. I went through a very similar campaign with Otherworld miniatures for their dungeon adventurers. The delay was years. All one can do is hang in there. Good luck.
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I went all in with the painted set, which not a small sum! I'm very anxiously awaiting this to arrive. The approach TTG has taken with communication is complete garbage. Never speaking directly or answering questions has cost them hundreds of backers with future campaigns. Using a barely knowledgeable JK as a middleman was a very poor choice. Delays are expected with kickstarters, but that's where constant communication fills in the gaps. The kickstarter will deliver, but i consider the overall campaign a huge failure.
I agree completely with that. Although it seems that it will deliver I will certainly not back another Kickstarter project from TTG. I have absolutely no confidence in their ability to manage a campaign, this one seems to be scraping through despite them rather than because of them.
On top of that the market has moved on to the point that commercial 3D printed scenery is now a better option; better designs, better product (thinner, lighter construction) and readily available for about the same price.
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I would not be surprised if Tabletop Troubadour has a plan for only STL files in the future.
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We just received shipping emails... estimated delivery.... Saturday!
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We just received shipping emails... estimated delivery.... Saturday!
Did your shipping note list everything in your order?
Mine came through this morning but only lists half a dozen pieces.....there should be about 40 bits by my reckoning.
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My wife originally had 4 tracking number emails. Then we had two delivery emails with some items on both but not all of our items. The packages that arrived today have what was in the two delivery emails. No idea what is going on with the other two tracking numbers as they are showing as still unused or where the rest of our pieces are.
I will be doing a blog entry with more details shortly but first impressions are not as good as we hoped. Of course we had high expectations however, which were always going to be hard to reach.
It would be easier for me to judge the value of the paintwork if we had gotten some unpainted pieces but on first inspection they do not match the expectations set by the original campaign or the more recent videos by TT.
There are more bubbles than I would have liked but nothing that can not be fixed with greenstuff. The paint and varnish have been put on too thick in some areas and not thick enough in others.
Different pieces clearly look painted by different folks on different days, with some pieces noticeably painted better than others.
I know you get what you pay for but now I see why the painted version was not more expensive.
The resin has an interesting feel to it. Hefty and a bit like plaster but is not plaster.
The pieces are big but not with as much playable space inside as I was expecting.
The sculpting is as charming and quirky as we were expecting with new little details constantly popping up. We still love Johnny’s vision but the production execution is a bit lacking. It “feels” like a discount Christmas village version of an original piece rather than purpose made quality gaming terrain.
The details, while charming, are chunky. I am unsure how it will mesh with our Dwarven Forge and Tabletop World pieces. At least the factory paintwork encourages me to personalize it to match our other pieces.
I hate to judge it all with only the pieces we currently have since each is so different. There will be photos and more info in the blog entry I will try to do later today.
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Very interesting. One thing that I noticed during the campaign in the negative column was the seemingly small amount of interior playing space, but it was hard to be sure. Be interested in your thoughts on that.
Also interesting on the paint jobs. The cost for getting painted was not much more than unpainted, at least compared to the premium DF charges for the service. Sounds like it was not as advertised.
Looking forward to your write-up today on these pieces!
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The KS comment section is awash with delivery problems. Given their reluctance to communicate with backers even when things were not going too badly, I can't see them doing anything to help now.
The painting was always going to be an issue. I learnt my lesson a long time ago with the Games & Gears battleboards......don't pay extra for Chinky sweatshop painting...... it will never be worth it. The boards were obviously painted by 2 people sat on opposite sides of a conveyer belt as each half divided perfectly down the middle of the board was totally different in depth of colour wash and application of drybrush texture. I am guessing the HH buildings will likewise be totally dependent on who painted them and how they felt that day.
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Well here you go folks, hopefully that answers more questions than it raises.
https://thegrumpygnome.home.blog/2021/04/23/hagglethorn-hollow-arrives-sort-of/
More tomorrow as we received emails to say two more boxes are scheduled for tomorrow.
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Good review of your pieces. I think the glossy mid brown woodstain wash is awful, as you say it mutes all the colours together and does not show the detail to benefit. Hopefully a coat of matt will bring some of the definition back.
At least with a coat that thick the surface should be protected against bumps and scratches :?
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I hope so too Robh.
Our second delivery arrived. First impressions whilst unboxing is that these pieces tend to look better than the ones in the first two boxes. I still feel they will all require a good bit of work to look the way I want them but Mrs. GG is more satisfied with them than me.
I am thinking of experimenting with changing the roof tile colors on some buildings, especially if we can get some duplicates.
As for the overall colors I definitely want to try to better match the DF pieces but Mrs. GG thinks we should not go too far from the original factory paint colors... so further debate will likely occur and depend on whether we can get some duplicates to experiment on.
I will try to do a second blog entry with photos of the additional pieces later today.
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Part 2 of my review, with the remaining pieces that arrived today.
https://thegrumpygnome.home.blog/2021/04/24/hagglethorn-hollow-part-2/
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Thank you for this. It looks great! I remember smushing my face in my hands trying to weigh the pros and the cons of getting in on this project. I ultimately decided not to, but I've been curious ever since. I agree that the colours do look muted but as I remember, the price difference for bare vs painted was not very much so i didnt expect a lot from the paint jobs.
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The prices are not wildly different. You can see in particular with the add ons.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/troubadour/hagglethorn-hollow/description
One of the most surprising thing in hindsight is how little we paid for postage. No customs tax, no handling fees and Tabletop Troubadour paid the VAT. Postage for the all in for the EU was only 100 dollars.
I have no idea how TT made any significant profit on this project to be honest.
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They probably lost money, I think failure to factor in proper shipping has been a downfall of many Kickstarter projects. Thanks for the review, I almost backed this one.
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Probably worth mentioning that these will also be available digitally as 3d printable files in a later Kickstarter campaign.
That would be interesting. Didn't care for the pieces as presented ( great idea & style but the execution looked a bit "cramped" ) but the Grumpy Gnome's review - thanks mate, for the up-close in-depth photo's - on page 3 did change my mind, really like them. Don't want to pay lots of P&P + VAT for heavy resin, don't want prepaints so stl-files would be a blessing ).
Will be following this... :)
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Always happy to help. In a suitably grumpy, Gnomish way of course.
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It was a fun read ;).
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I really look forward to hearing the opinions of others as they get their HH and seeing how the paint it, if they do.
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My unpainted Wizarding District pledge set arrived today.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/51/5822-140521115806.jpeg)
The resin quality is excellent and very clean. Overall casting is good, there are some obvious mould join lines, especially on the wizard hut, (on which the sub assembly branch tips are all glued on misaligned). I have a few air holes on the tips of some of the roof shingles and a couple of the rope door pulls but nothing major and no shipping damage.
The sundial and statues set I was sent is painted rather than the unpainted one supposedly in my pledge but the wash used is very thin and matt so no problem for a repaint.
The sheer bulk of the things is daunting as a painting task, although the sizes were given in the KS the physical lumps still managed to surprise me (28mm figure for scale at the front of the picture). My intention is to paint them grey stone with coloured roofs and details for Cadwallon, although at the price (and storage space requirement) they will also have to work their way into my Labyrinth, Moonstone and Sellswords games as well. The enhanced Citadel card buildings and other resin scenery I use currently look puny in comparison.
Although the KS campaign was very poorly run and badly delayed, the buildings delivered are certainly worth the hassle and expense (and mountain of cardboard and polystyrene packing I now have to dispose of).
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Wasn't super impressed with the painted buildings (though full respect to people who do like them, mileage may wary and all that) but these unpainted shots give me a twinge of regret at not backing this way back when.
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Wasn't super impressed with the painted buildings (though full respect to people who do like them, mileage may wary and all that) but these unpainted shots give me a twinge of regret at not backing this way back when.
Feel the same way. The prepainted ones looked pretty easy to work up into something more visually impressive, though - but having to do a bunch of minor sculpting and a ton of detail painting, highlighting, and washes rather defeats the purpose of paying for factory paint jobs.
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That is a great photo Robh, it really gives a different perspective to the HH we have.
Glad to hear you avoided the production quality issues others have complained about. We were fortunate to have avoided the worst of it as well from what some folks have been reporting.
More videos of Hagglethorn Hollow are up on YouTube to help people decide if the terrain is for them.
https://youtu.be/bbLdDBA_xkQ
and
https://youtu.be/3RDCrIPjCR0
JFA and Ike of Tabletop Troubadour are still not communicating with backers as much as I would like and UK backers have still not gotten their pledges fulfilled. This is very disappointing.
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Received my pledge last week - here in Kingston, ON, Canada. 8)
Thanks - they're great! :-*
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It is interesting to see just how different the buildings look in this unboxing. My guess is, someone forgot the wood stain that day at the factory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM0PWj-x5q4
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Looks like Printable Scenery has gotten the Hagglethorn Hollow STL Kickstarter going…
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/printablescenery/hagglethorn-hollow-stl-files
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Looks really good, but isnt it too big for 3D Printing?
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I’ve backed this with the aim of rescaling them for 10mm