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Miniatures Adventure => Age of Myths, Gods and Empires => Topic started by: Wiegraf on October 16, 2018, 04:46:48 AM
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Hello everyone.
I have been painting models for Hail Caesar! and gaming a fair bit with forces from the Punic Wars. Right now my main enemy is Carthage and I command a strange Roman / Syracuse / Numidian alliance (along with their pet Elephant). The Romans are all my work. The Numidians, Elephant, and Greeks on my side were done by others. I plan to bump out the Numidians, Greeks and Elephant once more Romans are done so I only use my own painted soldiers.
Here's some shots from our games. Lots more on my blog and my YouTube channel.
https://steepledhatstudios.blogspot.com/2018/10/and.html
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUOKkH_jmQZXrbjNllcvfHQ/
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Right now I plan to do two full divisions of Mostly Romans.
The two divisions will be clones of each other made up of 2 units of Hastati, 2 units of principes, 1 unit of Triarii, 1 unit of Velites, then supplemented with one unit of Celtic Light Cavalry and Numidians (since Roman Cavalry are notoriously poor fighters). In Hail Caesar! when one plays with points you must take Hastati and Principes in pairs, and you can take one unit of triarii for every two pairs of Hastati and Principes.
I want to start some other projects once these two forces are finished but I am wondering what my third division should be. Should I buy more Romans and make a third maniple style division? Perhaps a Gallic division? Italian allies (Samnites / Umbrians)? Spanish? What do you all think? I like everything from this era so I may end up doing it all anyways!
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Nice collection so far, hope to see more soon :)
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I would definitely go for a Spanish army with lots of Celtic units. Then you can always expand on that Gallic army you always wanted.
Very nice miniatures by the way.
Cheers
Erik
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You legionaries are a delight, and I'm glad a few other gamers agree they must have decorated their shields.
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Thank you all for the comments!
I would definitely go for a Spanish army with lots of Celtic units. Then you can always expand on that Gallic army you always wanted.
The Spanish seem like the best choice. They were long associated with Roman forces. That and I can use them for Carthage too when I make my own.
You legionaries are a delight, and I'm glad a few other gamers agree they must have decorated their shields.
I originally was just going to do yellows and reds on the shields, but then I got a hold of some vVV decals and liked them, so I decided to do them all up. Triarii are going to have fancier LBMS decals :)
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Excellent work, they look great.
I would go with Spanish too. They were a tough opponent for the Romans plus they fought for Carthage too. Also as auxiliaries for Rome on occasion.
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My last three games have been Iberians vs Celts. Spectacular.
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Really nice and thematic work. The close up photo looks like some old painting.
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Lovely figures. :-* :-*
You are spoilt for choice with the Victrix model range. I would plump for an Allied Italian Legion using a mix of Samnite figures (they have more energetic poses) and the Allied Legion Figures or a Spanish contingent for my allies. Choosing Gauls limits you to the very early battle on 2nd Punic War. Thereafter they sided with the Carthaginians. The Numidians are a good choice but only for the last battles including Zama.
Whatever you choose I'm sure you will have a lot of fun with the Hail Caesar rules. Our previous campaign worked really well with a set of home grown campaign rules that allowed table top battles using them.
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Thanks for all the compliments everyone! Seems most people favour the Spanish. Think I'll do them first (after a number of other projects!)
My last three games have been Iberians vs Celts. Spectacular.
That sounds like an excellent game. I'd love to see photos of that.
You are spoilt for choice with the Victrix model range. I would plump for an Allied Italian Legion using a mix of Samnite figures (they have more energetic poses) and the Allied Legion Figures or a Spanish contingent for my allies. Choosing Gauls limits you to the very early battle on 2nd Punic War. Thereafter they sided with the Carthaginians. The Numidians are a good choice but only for the last battles including Zama.
Aye, that I am. I've got all three Republican Legionnaire boxes and a few extra sprues to boot. Here's how I set up my legions:
What I've done is given the Hastati a mix of Pectoral armour or converted skirmishers into Hastati without body armour. There is a mix of the odd unit commander in chain or special helmet.. and the odd fellow in simple Italian allied style disc or square chest armor (whatever it is called) just for a bit of variance among the Hastati. I've given 1 / 2 unit a "full command" , that is a musician, a clear leader model, and a standard bearer if you use Warhammer terms :P
Next my Principes are decked out in Chainmail to differentiate them from the Hastati. Their heads are all the feathered plumes, as you can see in my photos. Only some of the unit commanders sport breast plates and fancier helmets.
Next my Triarii are the most unique. I've taken pieces from the Italian allied legionnaire boxes (the body plate) and mixed in bodies with the victrix chain bodies. Next, I use helmets from all the Italian allied box set as well as the Victrix Samnite infantry box set. I think a lot of people picture the Triarii to be wearing only ital-corinth helmets and chainmail with their long spears, but to me the Triarri are veterans - they've seen a lot and although they may have access to the best gear I wanted to make them the most unique looking, heroic units in the army. In this way they'll have the most variance between each individual soldier and look quite different from my Hastati and Principes. Each one looks like his own special character, with his own special shield.
My skirmishers are simply wolf hide velites or javelin men where appropriate.
For Cavalry I am sticking with just light cavalry for now. I have a single unit of Gauls running around and plan to do up some Warlord Numidian Cavalry. I also have Spanish light cavalry as well, and I think I'll do all three and switch them up for the different scenarios and wars.
As for the Samnites and Spanish, I think you are right. They are the best choices. I have hardly used any of the Italian allied legionnaire bodies. I plan to do some simple conversions to them by giving them mostly javelins and different types of shields. I will try to model them after the"Linen Legions" to be used in the Samnite wars, but then I can also place them to be used in the Roman armies as allies. I can also use them in a Carthage based army. I also have a box of Victrix armored Samnites, so those will fit in well for both Carthage and Rome , and the Samnite's own army.
I only have the Spanish cavalry and some really old, out of date metal gripping beast scutarii. But since I have so many left over skirmish bodies and quite a few bits from the cavalry set I think I can convert a good chunk of them into ancient Spanish forces, again to use in Carthage and Rome.
I will do all of this, but I think I'm just going to get my Romans done, and then do another project, so I can have painting variation in my life :P Initially the army will be something like 5 units of Hastati, 5 units of Principes, 2 units of Triarii, 2-3 units of velites, 2-3 units of simple skirmishers, and two light cavalry units. One unit of Principes I plan to give long spears and make stubborn as described by the Hail Caesar! rules.. . I've been told that this isn't really historically accurate for principes during the time, but I would like to have some variation among the Romans core units. It's only one unit, anyways :P
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That sounds pretty good to me. I have organised my Romans on very similar lines with a mix of pectoral armour for the Hastati and used a fair few Italian heads mixed in with my legions. I have also used some of the Agema kneeling bodies for my Triarii.
I really recommend using the Spanish Victrix foot figures as they capture the look perfectly but the other roman velite and unarmoured bodies are too generic and barely make a good spaniard.
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Sounds like you have an awesome army. I had tons of Agema models as well, but I ended up selling them off. The pilum and helmet plumes broke far too often for my liking.
I really recommend using the Spanish Victrix foot figures as they capture the look perfectly but the other roman velite and unarmoured bodies are too generic and barely make a good spaniard.
I ordered a single sprue of Victrix spanish infantry on eBay to get the feel of them. I agree with your statement about the generic look - to doctor it up I was going to give them the various Spanish swords and cavalry heads that the victrix cavalry pack comes with. I have tons of them and I think it would be enough. That and I own many Numidian oval shields that came in the Numidian infantry set - but even then with that combination they don't have the Spanish style of clothing that I would like.. so chances are I go and buy a box of Victrix ones later on as well.
I also have 300 points worth of Late Republican Romans in my collection and they can also bring Spanish warriors as mercenary troops.. ah, it might just be best to buy a whole box of the Spanish infantry after all. :) Can find many uses for them for the Republican armies and Carthage.
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Got some Principes done... slowly I'll replace the mercenary division of non-Romans with proper Romans and Italian allies ;)
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Very well painted!
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Very nice indeed. :-*
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Awesome looking army! Great "in action" shots!
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Those principes are fantastic. Love the unit leader.
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Thank you all!
I recently finished some Triarii and they've already made it to the latest game.
I also shared a bunch of the stuff I finished in 2018.. . hoping 2019 adds a lot more to the collection!
https://steepledhatstudios.blogspot.com/2019/01/goodbye-2018-looking-back-at-painting.html
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Here's one division of my Romans fighting bazookajoe's wonderfully painted Carthaginians
Carthage got thrashed this go round, but that's simply because it was the Triarii bringing beginners luck to the dice rolls their first game. Carthaginian Veterans are always a force to be reckoned with.
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Great looking miniatures. I have a lot of Victrix models my self for various factions of the Punic Wars. Its a great war to paint miniatures for, as they can all be used against and with eachother, and they can form armies themselves when you have enough. I dont think I will never finish painting Victrix Punic Wars miniatures.
Great job.
Cheers
Erik
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Impressive looking game!
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Very nice, especially the triarii! :-*
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Lovely work :)
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Fantastic work, especially the italian allies :-*
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Excellent figures, will you be doing any more videos on your youtube channel?
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Love your figures.
Victrix figures are great.
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Thank you everyone for the warm words.
Excellent figures, will you be doing any more videos on your youtube channel?
I plan to - there's been a few unboxing and I released one recently for my first look at Mortal Gods, coming out this March. Not sure how much I'll play, but I will probably end up getting the core rule set, just to get the Victrix hoplites out of it!
I also have a few more buddies who are interested in also doing Lion Rampant - so certainly there will be more Hail Caesar, as well as some medieval madness popping up on the channel in the future.
I dont think I will never finish painting Victrix Punic Wars miniatures.
I hear that! I've got everything and then some out of Victrix for Punic Wars. Carthage will be a fun army to paint up as well, though I am not sure if I'll do the traditional Scutum / chainmail set up that most Carthage players put on for Hannibal's veterans. Or I may. We'll have to see when I get to it - but that will be a future project for sure!
I've still got at least half of a legion to finish, and then some.. so this work shall continue into this year and beyond!
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Fortunately, the pictures were taken just before all the Carthaginians were slaughtered or fled the battlefield. It was a terrible sight! The Romans just steamrolled them.
I also like the flexibility of Punic Wars era figures. I plan to turn those Numidian allies into an army of their own at some point.
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Fortunately, the pictures were taken just before all the Carthaginians were slaughtered or fled the battlefield. It was a terrible sight! The Romans just steamrolled them.
I also like the flexibility of Punic Wars era figures. I plan to turn those Numidian allies into an army of their own at some point.
I look forward to destroying the Numidians and all their Elephants, haha!
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Wiegraf
Quite Simply ..Wow...
I really like the painting .
Especially the Triari.. are those Transfers ?? ..( on the shields ) ..
They look awesome.
Well done
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Wiegraf
Quite Simply ..Wow...
I really like the painting .
Especially the Triari.. are those Transfers ?? ..( on the shields ) ..
They look awesome.
Well done
Glad you like them! Thank you~
Yes, they are Little Big Man Studio transfers - the Italian allied legion ones , or one of their sets!
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great work, I do enjoy Scipio Africanus campaigns
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great work, I do enjoy Scipio Africanus campaigns
He's yet to make an appearance in our games, but I'm sure at some point we'll have to have him in Iberia / Italy / Carthage campaigns ;)
Well since the last post I haven't really done much up for Romans. I've painted up some Cretan archers which will certainly be used as mercenary forces for Rome at some point, and I've also started getting ready for Men of Bronze / Mortal Gods - so Greeks have been under way. I may end up using what I am working on in the Punic wars. Syracuse has activity, after all.
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Also, I'm building up some terrain based on a Gallic farmstead using pieces from my previous Kickstarter campaign. I want to have a bit of a rustic , single small celtic farm gracing the battlefield.
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It's a work in progress. Ideally I'd like to include some more celtic equipment as well as some fairly decent sized trees and pottery. I have some old warhammer scenery bits, Preprimed carts and tables and stuff from Wizkids (I think?) that will all work wonderfully for this little set up.
Hope to show off more soon. Cheers!
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Like the village.
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Hello everyone. Been a long time since I've posted anything but I have been very slowly working on my Punic War Forces. A few of my older minis were damaged in a move and are no longer with me (agema stuff, Greek archers, and a commander) but I will rebuild and keep on painting when I can.
The latest has been a small contingent of Italian allies meant to be on either the Roman or Carthaginian side I plan to do up.
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Here you can see them in my latest game against bazookajoe's awesome Carthaginians (a member of this Forum). I haven't finished a full unit of them yet, so I had some Persians and ducks fill the right side! I plan to do 4 units of these following 160mm fronts for Hail Caesar as well as a number of small skirmisher units. These Italians have lots of colors, designs, and great decals involved with their production so they take me some time to do!
Here's some Hastati fighting some Numidians. There's a random cow wandering around. We believe it is sacred.
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:-* :-* beautiful painting and spectacular collection, great photos too
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Cool to see you are still sticking with this project. As mentioned earlier I have quite a few myself. I have used them mostly for easy going To the strongest games with my son and his buddies. I seem to be very much into Hail Caesar. How do you play yor games? Do you make scenarios (if so, please do share ;)) or do you use the point system and fight to the death?
Cheers
Erik
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I seem to be very much into Hail Caesar. H
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You seem to be (ofcourse) ;D ;D ;D ;D
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:-* :-* beautiful painting and spectacular collection, great photos too
Thank you Burnin Coal! I put a lot of effort into my collection, which I enjoy doing but I paint very slowly.
Cool to see you are still sticking with this project. As mentioned earlier I have quite a few myself. I have used them mostly for easy going To the strongest games with my son and his buddies. You seem to be very much into Hail Caesar. How do you play yor games? Do you make scenarios (if so, please do share ;)) or do you use the point system and fight to the death?
I try to stick with projects but it is very tempting to spread out painting and go towards others... I'm working on WW2 stuff right now and also have a post in the Second World War Section of this forum, haha. I have yet to play To the Strongest, though I did discover the game when I was running a Kickstarter for a Celtic Round House that was successfully funded last year. Seems like an interesting game I have to try at some point!
As for Hail Caesar! it is far my favourite game since set up and playing is very straightforward with little nonsense. I have played with points in the past but my favourite games are without points. The game is absolutely enjoyable without or with points and I'm willing to use any method of army calculation.
Many of our battles indeed are fights to the death but we've also played various scenarios. In our last game the objective was to hold the high ground but it ended up being a near death battle anyways. We've also played scenarios where a small force holds on to a baggage train / supply cache and has to defend it against a superior enemy, waiting for reinforcements to arrive from off board. We have also protected strong points like towers, and included ambushes or weak generals leading superior forces in Imperial Roman Vs Britannia games using friend's minis.
Hail Caesar! is really easy to set up scenarios and allows you tons of freedom to do so. There's no set rules about it, so you're basically free to make it up as you go. It's a great story telling game that allows for easy modification of troops, special rules, equipment, and scenarios. We sometimes houserule in limited pila use for romans, for example. You can also use the army list books to build point based armies if you wish. We do not play with points in our games, but we often draw unit stats from the army book for simplicity, ignoring point costs.
Finally the great thing is that you can totally customize units, as there are no points. The rulebook gives certain stats for troop types but the values are completely modifiable! It really is a great scenario supportive game.
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Love my Republicans I have both early and late. Your divisions are well mixed and similar to Impetus, I would add a allied Italian socii Legion, either Lucani, Bruttii, Etruscans, Saminites, Campanians or the Latin or Greek colonies.
The Lucani, Bruttii and Campanians along with most of the southern Greek colonies defected during the second Punic war so are useful for both sides.
Best of luck with your project
Cheers
Matt
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Love my Republicans I have both early and late. Your divisions are well mixed and similar to Impetus, I would add a allied Italian socii Legion, either Lucani, Bruttii, Etruscans, Saminites, Campanians or the Latin or Greek colonies.
The Lucani, Bruttii and Campanians along with most of the southern Greek colonies defected during the second Punic war so are useful for both sides.
Best of luck with your project
Yeah, Republicans are some of my favourite era for Romans, from early to late as well. I have plans to do the lot after the Marian reforms as well, but that's a future project for sure.
I have begun the works on Italian allied divisions, which are just generic looking, using Victrix Samnite minis. They could be used for a number of Italian tribes. My plan was to have some for use on both Roman and Carthaginian sides. I have many extra Victrix Allied Legionnaire bodies so it would not be hard to create a Socii legion modelled after the maniple system as well.
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Beautiful pictures!
I love the cow grazing while the silly humans butcher each other. lol
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Beautiful pictures!
I love the cow grazing while the silly humans butcher each other. lol
Yeah - He's like - whatever bipeds. I'll just be grazing over here!
Here's some shots of a little mini game of Hail Caesar I tried solo playing tonight. I had a bit of an accident with the Italian allies and some of their plumes are missing. A broom handle had their way with them, but I fixed them up and I still think they look great!
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I've been busy with business and taxes these days, but I still always try to get in the minimum time for fixing, painting, or building something in the hobby. I am working on a Roman General and more Italian allies currently, so I should have more pics soon!
Cheers everyone.
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Pictures are a bit over exposed but here's the latest additions to my punic wars project - a commander of the Roman forces and his body guard and the finishing of a unit of Italian allies. Next will be another unit of Principes and perhaps some Roman Cavalry from Aventine, but first I'll finish up some more world war 2 Italians!
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Wonderful painting. :-* :-* :-*
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:-* :-* lovely brushwork and a beautiful collection
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Great thread. Painting and pictures are fantastic.
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Excellent painting. I really love the command stand.
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I love those Italian allies. They really bring some diversity into the Roman army. I must put them on my to-do list.
Cheers
Erik
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Really love those allies!
The 3-leg symbol of one of the shields is still used in Sicily today, sometimes shown with a head in the centre, on a yellow and red field.
The general/commander is also great :-*
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Hi there Wiegraf. I enjoyed seeing your army, and recognised it from having seen your blog and Youtube videos before.
From a fellow fan of ancients and Hail Caesar 8)
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Thanks lads! I've been building up more but have been quite busy with projects in the real world and doing a bit of fantasy / ww2. I just finished some final touches on my first division and will share after I seal them next week.
I'm thinking about finishing up the Italian Ally division. I have a general and his shield bearer done, and think it might be best to plug away through those units in the winter until a division is done - but as mentioned I'll be finishing ww2 first since it doesn't have too terribly much left to paint and uniform troops paint up so fast!
Looking forward to sharing soon, cheers.
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What an excellent army. It's always far more work to build irregular looking units of any period but your Romans are the ant's pants. I think you've really captured the essence of this specific period and look right from the start and it's going from strength to strength.
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I agree with the thought about irregular forces being more time consuming, but the payoff is worth it, especially here! Nicely done!
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Thanks @Fremitus and @Unlucky General! Glad you like the work I've been doing! Yes, the Italian allies will be a fun thing to complete. Looking forward to doing three more units of them along with some Cavalry.
I recently finished an entire Roman Division after all this time - which is a huge milestone for me. I have lost a few models through damages and horrible shelving collapses but have bounced back each time with repairs or repainting miniatures.
I also finished up an Italian Allied General with a shield bearer / bodyguard. The plan now as mentioned is to finish work on a Bersageleri project for WW2 then go on to keep working on Italian allies for the rest of the winter. .
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I really like how they have all come together and have learned a lot from painting them. They're my first "complete" historical division I painted in full and am proud of them. My only let down on myself is basing them with too much green and brown earth beneath them - the Mediterranean is often depicted as rocky, arid, and not so much vegetation.. when I began I was very much in the zone of generic grassland instead of historical accuracy. In any case, they'll be able to represent some northern warfare against the Celts or maybe some overseas conflicts at least. Im sure some parts of the mediterranean have abundant vegetation covering large quantities of land.
The light might make some shots a bit blurry, but I think its okay!
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They look excellent, you really made them pop!
Cheers
Matt
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:-* :-* absolutely superb ! Great choice of palette in a spectacular looking force
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Lovely army you have there :-*
Great use of one of the elephant crew with linothorax.
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Thank you for sharing your lovely work. I'm looking forward to seeing more in due course.
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Thanks everyone! The Encouraging words makes me want to keep going.
Unfortunately a few weeks ago horrible thing happened. While I was out doing some errands the wife's friend came over with her 8 year old son, and long story short, he decided to be an arse and help himself to the minis. Not cool. A good chunk of my Romans and my Celtic Cavalry were utterly destroyed by a very rough child. I got compensation monetarily from the mother - but the memory still burns.
I've had my romans damaged four times now in various ways, but this one was by far the worst. However, after much rage, some sadness, I got over it quickly and decided to just repair the lot.
As you can see I've been fixing stuff for awhile. I hope nobody is squeamish. It's as if Carthage itself rampaged the lads.
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He did quite a number as you can see. I've repaired a good Chunk of them. The Celtic Cavalry have the worst of it, so I am just going to scrap them, which isn't so bad in my mind.. they're old Wargames Factory models and I think there's better options out there, so no big loss. For the Romans, I believe only One lad won't be returning the legions...
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He has permanent damage to the head and his legs were both cut split. I think I will create a casualty of war from this poor man and replace him with a newer, more fit legionnaire.
Fortunately most of the men have made a full recovery already. A little touch up on some paint spots and some new dirt and grass and most should be good enough to game with and still great for pictures! I've transferred them all to single 20mm bases for ease of repairs and to make use in other games where 40x40mm isn't as reasonable to use.
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I've also been busy working on more Italian Allies As I mentioned... trying out some new designs on the togas, all WIP. Will share photos later when the next 4 are through.
Also, built up some more of these Hastati..
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I shall call the legions and their division I am repairing "The Cursed Legion" - This lone legion has seen so many damages, the most loses / battles, and every unit in it (Save the General, the newest) has had some form of repairs done to it. Hopefully the next legions suffer much better and I don't have another occurrence like a box falling on my men, dogs knocking things over or people's silly kids wrecking anything!
If anything - I've learned to stay positive and work through damage and save what I can - I was originally considering tossing the whole project, but after I came to my senses and did some initial repair work, the legions are making a come back and will still be able to take on Carthage and whatever foe while waiting for other, new and fresh units from a second division to join them!
Thanks all- will update again when I can!
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I feel for you Wiegal, it is frustrating when people are so cavalier to other's processions. Did they at least offer to pay for the damage?
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Having followed your progress to date and greatly admired the results I read this latest update with a mixture of sadness at the damage and admiration at your resolution to remedy the situation....if sympathy could be boxed up I’d send you a truckload....as it is hang on in there as I have no doubt that “The Cursed Legion” will return not just repaired but more spectacular than ever ;)
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Unfortunately a few weeks ago horrible thing happened. While I was out doing some errands the wife's friend came over with her 8 year old son, and long story short, he decided to be an arse and help himself to the minis. Not cool. A good chunk of my Romans and my Celtic Cavalry were utterly destroyed by a very rough child. I got compensation monetarily from the mother - but the memory still burns.
:o Damn!
I would have strangled had a serious chat with that kid!
Last time he would ever get in my house.
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Wow.... it sounds like you handled this much better than I would have! :o :o
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Johnp4000 I feel for you Wiegal, it is frustrating when people are so cavalier to other's processions. Did they at least offer to pay for the damage?
Nope. I forced them to pay. I got way more money out of it than the damaged items would cost, but the time used cannot be covered.
Having followed your progress to date and greatly admired the results I read this latest update with a mixture of sadness at the damage and admiration at your resolution to remedy the situation....if sympathy could be boxed up I’d send you a truckload....as it is hang on in there as I have no doubt that “The Cursed Legion” will return not just repaired but more spectacular than ever ;)
First - thanks for following! Always good to hear from you - also, yes thank you! The cursed legions will make a come back and much vengeance shall be made upon the enemies of Rome.
:o Damn!
I would have strangled had a serious chat with that kid!
Last time he would ever get in my house.
Wow.... it sounds like you handled this much better than I would have! :o :o
Well - to add more to it, I came home, everything seemed fine at first. My dog came up to greet me. Then he and I went into the room where my models are, and we both sorta just stopped and it was a moment of staring at the destruction that had happened on the floor. Apparently the kid even propped himself up on a computer chair and reached up to grab "board games" (Mortal God Box Set), saw the models and ended up helping himself. He really crushed them good. Of course, I wasn't there to police it and the wife / friend of wife said the kid was playing Nintendo , but quit and must have got bored to go find something else to do. He wouldn't have been able to reach them, being short and 8 years old, but the chair was enough. I basically yelled really loudly, and kicked everyone out of the house, except the dog. My wife went after them to sorta sooth out the issue and told them that I demanded some compensation and I ended up getting $400.00 Canadian for them all. That's quite fair, I thought - but now I've forbade kids into my home and I think every time this friend comes over it is going to be very awkward.
Anyways, that's the long story :P All shall be well again. I don't trust the kids, and have put better security on my doors and more foam padding!
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Seriously how on earth can an 8 year old kid cause that much damage!? It not like its a toddler. I can see (and excuse) a kid breaking one because he might not know how brittle they can be. But that much damage is deliberate.
I feel your pain.
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Great shame indeed. Glad you've been able to recover, repair some of the models and even start building new ones.
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A disheartening event, which unfortunately is, I do believe, in one form or another, a part of the hobby. Folks be they young or adult don't appreciate how much love and attention we put into our minis.
Yet...
You seem to have recovered admirably and are moving forward. Good on you! :)
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While a stand or two might be damaged during a game the OMG look on the other player's face can make it a non event as accidents happen. Malicious damage due to a child feeling ignored - I would make the parent pay for my painting time as well. Definitely a problem with that kids perspective regarding others properties that their parent needs to address.
I remember a few pointed conversations with an older cousin about his kids destruction of my possessions (original Star Wars items) left accidentally over a weekend at a common vacation house. He was a total git (as always) but their apologies were sincere so it wasn't quite as bad as your situation. I hope you can fix everything as they were really fantastic.
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Wow, that's a real shame.
I guess getting them to pay for the (seemingly deliberate) damage is punitive, but once you put your heart and soul into some minis they become priceless, imo.
Well done on the restoration project, though. Feels a bit like the irl rebuild after Cannae.
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Shit.
Just cannot believe a child could be so destructive (yes I have had children and no they were never like that) and what on earth was the parent doing!
Glad you got compensation
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Shit.
Just cannot believe a child could be so destructive (yes I have had children and no they were never like that) and what on earth was the parent doing!
Glad you got compensation
Same here :o My son (going on 4 years) likes to look at my minis, but I can't even fathom him doing that. No offense to the wife's friend here, but I just don't understand how a decently-parented kid would engage in such wanton property destruction. Like seriously... going to someone else's home, seeing their stuff, and deciding to BREAK ALL OF IT?!?
Man, I'm getting fired up just thinking about it again.
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This is terrible news!
Good luck on the re-build.
I am not sure I would have the heart to do it myself.
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What's the legal age for crucifixion ? I think 8 is old enough lol
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Kids like that have always existed, and they are not always wantonly evil.
Back in the 70s, I remember a stamp collection being completely wrecked by the nine year old son of a family friend - he went through two albums, removing every stamp and, with a dark blue felt tip pen, he drew a saltire cross on every stamp. It must have taken him ages. That collection included six complete sets of mint WW2 German stamps, and it took years for my dad to replace most (but not all) of them.
Crucifixion is too harsh a punishment for a child so obviously on the spectrum - crucify the mother, and make the child watch.
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Heart breaking event, my condolences. Your painting skills and ability to so quickly recover are impressive. Time is irrecoverable but you seem to have an excellent attitude for dealing with it.
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Hello lads! Thanks for your sympathy with the issue at hand - I enjoyed and laughed (darkly) at a few of the comments. I won’t allow such a thing to happen again or even let children in my home without absolute supervision again! Maybe I’ll leave the dog home next time and teach him to attack anyone who gets near the minis (he won’t, he’s a cocker spaniel that loves everyone).
Well it took a long time to get through them - life and a business struggling through covid has made me much more busy than I want to be so hobby time isn’t very dedicated as was once. However! I did manage to fix all the broken minis save 1 Roman in the back ranks. Here they are, fixed rebased and painted over some new varnish. They aren’t as pretty as they once were but for wargaming and masses of Romans they will do.
The lighting varies for each photo sine they’re quick shots but they’re back!
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And I started up the next lot of Samnites. 12 more to go!
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A better shot! I don’t know what the lighting problem was or what my camera is up to but this is how I’m used to looking at these lads!
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So glad your models made it back to life Wiegraf - well done !....and to “only” have lost one figure is a stroke of good fortune amidst all the damage originally inflicted - your latest figures look superb as always - I look forward once again to following your progress now that some kind of normal service has now been resumed :)
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My goodness! They look pretty great to me still! Nice job rescuing so many!
It is like a Plastic Roman Dunkirk!
I can't think of an equivalent Ancient History example right now..... so I will stick with Dunkirk and wait for someone to correct me!
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Great repair job mate. Reminds me of an incident as a child when I'd made a nice cavalry piece and decided to put in in the grass beside the street to view through binoculars from my bedroom window. I guess I wanted to see how realistic it looked. Anyhow a neighbors mum came home from shopping and took the driveway a bit wide and ran over it ! Smashed into numerous pieces and driven into the dirt. Surprisingly it wasn't that hard to restore it to almost it's original glory.
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Look pretty darn good to me! :-*
Bet the Samnites come out a treat!
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Great repair job mate. Reminds me of an incident as a child when I'd made a nice cavalry piece and decided to put in in the grass beside the street to view through binoculars from my bedroom window. I guess I wanted to see how realistic it looked. Anyhow a neighbors mum came home from shopping and took the driveway a bit wide and ran over it ! Smashed into numerous pieces and driven into the dirt. Surprisingly it wasn't that hard to restore it to almost it's original glory.
Haha.. damn! We both have stories to share about how our precious toys went and broke. I know a few lads who like to do shots with their minis in grass and such, but they did not have anyone run over the minis!
Right now those legions, despite repairing them, are now extremely fragile and I have to be ever so gentle with them. Before where I might have accidentally bumped a mini and it would be fine, no in the same situation I find some plumes and stuff fall off. They're certainly also beat up and dented. Paint can cover them a bit, but they'll never have the same structural integrity as before. I will continue to use them and wargame with them, but at some point I think they'll end up becoming the "loaner" army that I let other people play with if they don't have punic war stuff!
Bet the Samnites come out a treat!
I finished some more.. and I am very, very happy with them! I've also decided to put in the eyes for all my minis. Rule of thumb for this is to remember not to make the eyes much bigger than about half the nose, and the pupils tiny.. otherwise they all look like they're on something special... lol
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4 more to go to finish the unit.
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:-* lovely brushwork as always - superb looking group and a great addition to a very nice collection
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Beautiful! :-*
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Lovely work on them
Cheers
Matt
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Dang. I am embarassed by my Republican Romans in comparison.
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Haha.. damn! We both have stories to share about how our precious toys went and broke. I know a few lads who like to do shots with their minis in grass and such, but they did not have anyone run over the minis!
Right now those legions, despite repairing them, are now extremely fragile and I have to be ever so gentle with them. Before where I might have accidentally bumped a mini and it would be fine, no in the same situation I find some plumes and stuff fall off. They're certainly also beat up and dented. Paint can cover them a bit, but they'll never have the same structural integrity as before. I will continue to use them and wargame with them, but at some point I think they'll end up becoming the "loaner" army that I let other people play with if they don't have punic war stuff!
I finished some more.. and I am very, very happy with them! I've also decided to put in the eyes for all my minis. Rule of thumb for this is to remember not to make the eyes much bigger than about half the nose, and the pupils tiny.. otherwise they all look like they're on something special... lol
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4 more to go to finish the unit.
Great point about eyes! Lately I'm only bothering to paint in the eyes if it's a command unit, or the eyes themselves are abnormally well-sculpted. I figure you can't actually see eyes from much of a distance in real life so it's not that big of a deal, and it takes forever to do it because like you say, you don't want them to look like they've seen a ghost! lol
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They look awesome! :-*
What color(s) are you using for their armor?
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They look awesome! :-*
What color(s) are you using for their armor?
Late response on my part. Haha
The armor is all citadel paint. Balthasar gold based on any black primer > wash druchii violet, layer scyorax bronze and highlighted Auric gold.
I haven't worked on the Punic War Stuff for awhile. I had been doing Punic war models for years and after the destruction wrought by the kid, it still hit me somewhat hard. A lot of my models despite repairs didnt hold up all that well. That and the more I research, the more I see how individualistic a lot of soldiers are in this era.
I also moved a couple months ago, and there was some more minor damages to my mini collection. Most things I could fix, but a lot of the really bad off Romans and minis I had for punic wars I ended up selling off. Eventually I am going to be doing a lot of My Romans over, continuing with my Italian allies, which I think are the best troops ive done to date aesthetically for the era. They also have no damages.
I think the era is also more characterized by individuality between soldiers, as I did for the Italians, so I will be painting my Romans to look much less uniform and more individual as well. The more I painted during Covid lockdowns the more I came to appreciate individuality between models. So I will continue on with this method.
I am now doing up some Germans for Infamy Infamy, which are supposed to be the warriors you'd find in the Early Imperial Roman Era, but some of them are very basic with their gear. I'll proxy the ones that have basically trousers, shirts (optional) and basic swords and spears to act as Cisalpine Gauls in my Punic wars. The ones I deck out in looted EIR gear or later aged weaponry will not be a part of the units.
To get ready for these Germans I've painted up Warlord's Vercingetorix. I just have to finish some final highlights, complete his base and varnish him. He's a rather fantasy type character with his massive wings on helm, but he was good to use for getting back into the swing of Ancients (I've been repairing WW2 guys damaged in the move and have started work on Perry Afghan Pasthun tribesmen).
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MFvO_jQaJAQ/YSWGhrQCxbI/AAAAAAAAFWo/-PGM_x3NaOcmj7Tdpb3VvW4rqCiAv1nQQCLcBGAsYHQ/s491/image0.jpg)
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I'm almost done all my Italians for WW2, and half way through my Afgahan Pashtuns. I've really gone for the skirmish level of wargaming lately, which helps me shake things up. But I still intend to keep working on Punic War Stuff. The Germanic Warriors for Infamy Infamy will find a place into the Punic Wars as well.
Cheers!
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ah, I should also say, I finished that unit I was working on many months ago. I don't think I showed the last four lads.
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Beautiful and your thread is very inspirational! :-*
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Gorgeous painting especially the armour. :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Lovely figures. :-* :-*
You are spoilt for choice with the Victrix model range. I would plump for an Allied Italian Legion using a mix of Samnite figures (they have more energetic poses) and the Allied Legion Figures
Very nice collection. I suggest also an Etruscan alley legion. I try to have one SOuth (Samnites like) and one North (Etruscan)
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I am sorry about what happened to your collection, and I would also feel like you.
That said, I love the work you have been doing on this collection and models.
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will have to use your photos for painting reference when I start my project.
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Very nice collection. I suggest also an Etruscan alley legion. I try to have one SOuth (Samnites like) and one North (Etruscan)
An Etruscan Alley Legion sounds so very sordid!
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Thanks everyone! I'll keep on hashing through it despite damages. I have a lot of fun with it but I figured since It has gone on so long I needed to paint some other stuff. Been painting up some German Fanatics lately with some new paint styles. Not entirely sure if I like them yet or not, but I will share here.
Very nice collection. I suggest also an Etruscan alley legion. I try to have one SOuth (Samnites like) and one North (Etruscan)
I kept the Samnites / Italian allies as a separate group because there is evidence that suggests some groups did join up with Hannibal while others rejected and stayed with Rome. While Socii seem to have trained and armed similarly to the Roman legions (I think it was a 1:1 ratio for citizen and non citizen? Might be wrong) I did keep their native look for the wars. The Etruscan conflicts seems to have ended half a century earlier than the second Punic War, and I'd suspect "allied legionnaires" like the way Victrix does them in their box sets would be what the Etruscans were recruited as in the Roman army, but I certainly wouldn't mind doing a few hoplite style conversions out of extra Roman pieces I have. I could use some of the Victrix spare legionnaire bodies that I'll have left over and equip them with a mix of Hoplite shields and Gorgon studio Etruscan shields that I have sitting in my collection. This would work great for other groups of warriors I could use if I do the Pyhrric wars too.
For the true Northern Italy in modern terms, which would be Cisalpine Gaul, I'll use the Germans I am doing. I really like Peter Dennis and his art work so I'm going to do a lot of my work and styles based off of his Germans.
(https://www.chaosbunker.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/PeterDennis_GermanicsTeutoburg.jpg)
While they'll clearly be Germanic Tribes with their tied up hair at the side I think their clothing style and colors with the removal of Imperial Era Roman Gear will make for good proxy Cisalpine Celts. They can represent later Germanic invasions as well.
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Sounds good. What german models will you use ? Personally I really like the warlord games Germanic cavalry and infantry, They are full of character. I have lots in my " to do box". :)
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Sounds good. What german models will you use ? Personally I really like the warlord games Germanic cavalry and infantry, They are full of character. I have lots in my " to do box". :)
I stuck with Victrix for all my ancients and antiquity. I had lots of Warlord games stuff beforehand but I find that they often clash with other scales out there. Warlord Romans are really small for Imperials, and their Caesarians, while a bigger scale and match nicely with other ranges, all have a squat position. Their germans and Gauls and britons I actually really like, but they don't scale well with Victrix - and Victrix covers so many eras now, I just stick to the one company to keep size consistency.
I have however, kept a lot of metal characters, so there'll be some warlord Celts and German leaders mixed in there :)
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Plastic Warlord Games Celts scale well with Victrix. There's also a very nice Dacian commander that works well (better) as a Celtic leader.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0255/0949/4864/products/wgh-da-25-dacian-command_1.jpg?v=1575565665)
These are large metal figures, same size as Victrix and same heft.
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Plastic Warlord Games Celts scale well with Victrix. There's also a very nice Dacian commander that works well (better) as a Celtic leader.
I think victrix are a tad bigger. Warlord's Celts certainly have much more going for them when it comes to poses. I will make use of their metal characters. Those are nice as you've shown. :)
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So I finished the first 6 Fanatics for my Germans and took a shot of them pitted against some of my Hastati. They'd certainly work for Celts - although I'll admit they look way more germanic and savage than Cisalpine Gauls.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-K6-MTBaXrcA/YVtxDOZcTAI/AAAAAAAAFY8/HnmfRrglwdAWoTycRBNsMGEioNWn2WamwCLcBGAsYHQ/s2048/452EF4E8-534C-4AE2-9D2F-EAB5D758C442.jpeg)
I gave two of them extensive chalk and charcoal warpaint.I think I'll do more fanatics this way.
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So between posting the projects I was doing with late Hundred Years War and Kickstarter, I ended up playing a game of SPQR, or rather, a bit of it while it was on demonstration. They've really revised the rules, so the game is better than before. It's not as deep as the rank and file battles (literally and figuratively), but it was enough to make me further want to get back into my old ancients, so I dug them out again.
A few years ago in the Lead Adventure Forums I started this blog and now wish to continue it. For what I have now is as follows for the Hail Caesar! set up:
2 units of Italian warriors
1 small unit of allied Triarii
1 small unit of light italian infantry.
various commanders, though I think since I am starting a new, I am going to also paint new ones.
This is enough for one division of Hail Caesar. I also have a single unit of Hastati and Velites as well as an elephant Numidian crew that survived the damaging child attack a couple years back, but I think those will be extras for other games or I'll lend them to new wargamers that want to try Hail Caesar while I repaint everything.
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For this existing Triarii Unit, I think I'll keep them with the "Samnites" seen here instead of putting them in with the Roman stylized legions. Hail Caesar! is pretty much a sandbox, so I can easily list the troops as a small unit of hoplites or still operate like Triarii do, without following the roman system. Let's just call them defectors, or allies.. they're either allied Socii or traitors to the Roman cause instead of proper Roman citizens.
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I'll have to make more light infantry and skirmish units as well. They're very useful for screening and acting as javelin men or forming up and charging flanks where required.
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At the end, the new commander. He will have a Hoplon and be featured in the next Kickstarter project I am sharing with my own vector traced decal, which I think is medieval but will probably still fit for this era. More on that in another forum post at a later date. :P
I've got a bit better with eyes since I painted my last Italians and Started adding stubble to the mini's faces. In my opinion it brings out the models much better in the face, though at a distance nobody would notice these sorts of things. I've also started using more Vallejo colors, so that adds a whole ton more possibilities for more colors on these Italians.
I'm also considering revarnishing most of these mini's armor pieces and metal bits on the weapons. I used Vallejo Matte Spray on them all and it really matted down everything - including the armour. Some places are even a bit cloudy. I stopped using spray primer since then and found that Vallejo paint on matt is great for armor (since its not truly matt, and leaves enough shine) while AK Ultra Matte varnish does wonders for skin and clothing, and things not supposed to shine while it keeps the finished product and removes any weird shine washes cause. I also want to not wash my whites anymore (something I learned while painting Afghanistan tribal warriors for an afghan-anglo project is that whites don't need to be washed and, in my opinion, look more natural!) and try not to wash the skin as well to see if blending works better.
Finally, I want to attempt to make better "Mediterranean" bases. I have a new style of basing I've been using for my French Knights in the HYW but I think I can get a bit more reds in the earth and different styles of stones in the to give them a more suitable base for what stereotypical mediterranean land would be. If it doesn't work out, generic grasslands is still fine!
In any case, I am excited to get back to this project. My further plan is to first work on two more units of the Italian infantry similar to the ones I shared in the photo. When that's done I'll either do a whack ton of Italian Cavalry that I have or start my Roman Legions over again. This time the plan is to do not one, but two full divisions of "Roman" Hastati, principles and triarii, as well as two full divisions of "Allied italian" Hastati, principles, etc... as well as some mounted Cavalry from Aventine. It's going to be a very large, epic force and allow for some big battles. I have some fun painting schemes for these new divisions and have inspiration from new sources that I think will make the units look a lot more interesting that my previous versions.
Finally, I will still be working on my Hundred Years war stuff! I just need to finish another unit of mounted knights and I can play the bare minimum of Lions rampant as planned, but after that I'll have lots of infantry to do up. And I still have plans to paint a whole whack of Celts and germanic barbarian forces to put in for the Punic Wars to represent cisalpine Gaul.. ah, there's a lot of things and I am so happy to be able to paint them all! :)
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Nice batch of brutes you have there! :-*
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excellent miniatures. Thanks for the discussion on your methods. I'll try some.