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Miniatures Adventure => Age of the Big Battalions => Topic started by: Phil Portway on October 17, 2018, 12:17:41 AM
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Not Big Battalions, but big iron cladded ships
American Civil War river warfare. Ironclads. A few pics of a game trying out Mac's new rules what he wrote (for Morecambe & Wise fans). got about 10 or 12 moves in, played very well, enjoyed it alot. These are still a WIP atm, but easy to learn the one sided play sheet. Thanks again Mac
Confederate Navy move up the river, towards their objective. 2 moored vessels.
(http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn208/1815philip/ACW%2015mm/ACW%20Naval/DSC02665_zpsapcb9cex.jpg) (http://s305.photobucket.com/user/1815philip/media/ACW%2015mm/ACW%20Naval/DSC02665_zpsapcb9cex.jpg.html)
Union Patrol, and our targets
(http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn208/1815philip/ACW%2015mm/ACW%20Naval/DSC02666_zpst09vxeje.jpg) (http://s305.photobucket.com/user/1815philip/media/ACW%2015mm/ACW%20Naval/DSC02666_zpst09vxeje.jpg.html)
Turn 2. lots of firing, lots of misses
(http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn208/1815philip/ACW%2015mm/ACW%20Naval/DSC02667_zpsevpzmbhv.jpg) (http://s305.photobucket.com/user/1815philip/media/ACW%2015mm/ACW%20Naval/DSC02667_zpsevpzmbhv.jpg.html)
Very close range for both ships
(http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn208/1815philip/ACW%2015mm/ACW%20Naval/DSC02668_zpsyvtmna9j.jpg) (http://s305.photobucket.com/user/1815philip/media/ACW%2015mm/ACW%20Naval/DSC02668_zpsyvtmna9j.jpg.html)
about turn 6. Another Union ship turns up
(http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn208/1815philip/ACW%2015mm/ACW%20Naval/DSC02669_zpsjbgnmohk.jpg) (http://s305.photobucket.com/user/1815philip/media/ACW%2015mm/ACW%20Naval/DSC02669_zpsjbgnmohk.jpg.html)
Virginia pounding the Union moorings. The CSS Nashville Paddle steamer keeps the USS Cairo busy. CSS planter Wood Clad on the right of pic
(http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn208/1815philip/ACW%2015mm/ACW%20Naval/DSC02670_zpsqt4qhluu.jpg) (http://s305.photobucket.com/user/1815philip/media/ACW%2015mm/ACW%20Naval/DSC02670_zpsqt4qhluu.jpg.html)
The Reb Ironclad getting boxed in.
(http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn208/1815philip/ACW%2015mm/ACW%20Naval/DSC02671_zpsfhy6crdg.jpg) (http://s305.photobucket.com/user/1815philip/media/ACW%2015mm/ACW%20Naval/DSC02671_zpsfhy6crdg.jpg.html)
Another Union ship enters from up river
(http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn208/1815philip/ACW%2015mm/ACW%20Naval/DSC02672_zpsovkf7psr.jpg) (http://s305.photobucket.com/user/1815philip/media/ACW%2015mm/ACW%20Naval/DSC02672_zpsovkf7psr.jpg.html)
(http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn208/1815philip/ACW%2015mm/ACW%20Naval/DSC02673_zpsdepyu94a.jpg) (http://s305.photobucket.com/user/1815philip/media/ACW%2015mm/ACW%20Naval/DSC02673_zpsdepyu94a.jpg.html)
(http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn208/1815philip/ACW%2015mm/ACW%20Naval/DSC02674_zps5umviin4.jpg) (http://s305.photobucket.com/user/1815philip/media/ACW%2015mm/ACW%20Naval/DSC02674_zps5umviin4.jpg.html)
The rebs almost achieved thier objective of sinking the 2 ships, one sank and the othe was very close. The rebs lost 1 ship , and the Union lost 2.
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Looks good. What make/scale ships are those? How long did your game take?
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Very nice Battle report :D
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Great report and great looking models. Have always been a fan of the ACW on the water. When I was playing it back in the 80's we used the board game Ironclad rules which gave very fun game, and we used Houston's ship models. I might be wrong but your models look like either Houston's or Thoroughbred.
Terry
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Looks good. What make/scale ships are those? How long did your game take?
1/600th from Peter Pig - Large range of ships/ forts, etc. This was a trial game with rules written by a Club member, but still we had about 12- 13 turns and took a very casual 3-ish hours.
We have played Hammering Iron from Peter Pig, and although they work Ok, the rule cards are messy on the table and you only get one set with the rules, and are geared round a two player game. We like multi player games.
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A great spectacle!
I always get excited looking at ironclads pounding each other!
Eager to see your next game! Thanks for posting! Cheers!
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Thatīs a really great looking game, thanks for sharing the report!
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Thanks for the kind comments chaps
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Merrimac WAS a Union ship. Has the captain turned traitor (like the dam' Yankee he is)?
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The Merrimack was originally a ship in the US Navy, but was burned and sunk at one of the navy yards as it fell to the Confederacy (don't have my books handy so can't say which one for sure, but am thinking it was Norfolk, VA). The Confederacy raised it and using the remaining hull built the Merrimack armored structure upon it. The biggest problem it had was it's very slow turning rate - something like 30 minutes to do a 180. Please excuse any errors as this is all from memory of my research into the civil war ironclads I did back in the 80's.
Terry
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To continue the history lesson, the Dixies also changed the name to Virginia.
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Merrimac WAS a Union ship. Has the captain turned traitor (like the dam' Yankee he is)?
I have now changed. Could not remember the CSS name for it.
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I have just introduced the school's wargames club to Ironclads.
Using my 1/600th Peter Pig ships.
So far we have played two games. The first under a very simple set
published years ago in (I think) Miniature Wargames. It divided ship's guns into
baby, mummy or daddy guns, yes that level of detail. It did give a fun game.
Last week they tried Hammering Iron, again a fun game. One student has
shown the spirit of Farragut (Full speed ahead & damn the torpedoes!) In both
games he went hell for leather for the opposition & rammed them! What damage
he might do if he was ever in charge of a ship that had a ram.
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Note that the CSS Virginia was called the Merrimac even by Southern newspapers, hence the battle being called Monitor vs. Merrimac. Like almost all early ironclads, they were proof against most shot but could barely float. Any sort of heavy seas threatened them. The USS Monitor went down in a bad squall off Cape Hatteras while under tow. She was being towed because her under-powered engines could make little or no headway against the storm. The Monitor almost sank on her maiden run down to Hampton Roads to fight the Merrimac/Virginia. The crew had been working the pumps for over 30 hours. That voyage was her alpha test, the battle was her beta test. Beware the open sea in an ACW ironclad.
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I wasn't sure whether to start a new thread, as I'd like to widen the discussion to rule sets that are currently available. I have played the board game Ironclads in the distant past, and it is still an option for miniatures - I intend to use Thoroughbred 1/600 scale, though have yet to buy any - but have little knowledge of other sets.
I know there is a more recent board game by GMT, Iron and Oak, but know little of it, other than that it is considered a light game, and quite luck-dependent. The only commercial miniatures rules I am aware of is the above-mentioned Hammerin' Iron. Are there any others, and, if so, how do they match up?.
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With regard to the choice of miniatures, I may have to revise my earlier stated preference, having discovered a new range, albeit, rather frustratingly from the point of view of compatibility, in 1:700 scale, and, even more frustratingly, apparently consisting at present of only one vessel, viz. USS Onondaga:
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/RFYAAOSwJWxbgjgW/s-l1600.jpg)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Z4QAAOSwI2xbgjfB/s-l1600.jpg)
The model in question, which is clearly rather more than a mere playing piece, and would appear to require considerable patience in construction, replaces the iron of the original with brass, and is produced by CRM, or Captain Rabbit Models. It's available from a China-based eBay seller known as alfahobby.
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Beautiful. Do you use it in a game and tell the players - "please, don't touch the model"?
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Nice looking model and a good looking game that appears to have been fun to play.
Monitors had a very low freeboard which limited their use to rivers and costal waters. It wasn't until late 1864 that ocean going, two turret monitors were launched. The coverings on the turrets were only use when the ships were moored to protect the insides of the turrets. The turrets were open-topped to provide ventilation for the ship and gun crews.
Here are some of the Houstons Ships painted and assembled by Paul Meyer.
https://wargamephotos.com/houstons-ships-photos/#jp-carousel-628
https://wargamephotos.com/houstons-ships-photos/#jp-carousel-626
https://wargamephotos.com/houstons-ships-photos/#jp-carousel-629
Dave
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Beautiful. Do you use it in a game and tell the players - "please, don't touch the model"?
Sounds sensible. I don't have the model, which I only encountered yesterday on eBay, from which I took the photos. All it lacks is a working engine and screw, and some smoke. I doubt I'd have the patience or skill to build it, but I'm very tempted to get one anyway. I hope there will be more, but I can't find a website for the manufacturer. (A Google search for Captain Rabbit brings up some rather different products, some of them battery-operated.)
Here's the listing for anyone who wants to investigate further:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CRM-1-700-American-Civil-War-monitor-ironclad-warship-USS-Onondaga-1864/273426937779?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3De690a6fb1b3842518a0b127d3f13d9c9%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D372577600961%26itm%3D273426937779&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A2e449a22-20c3-11e9-ba67-74dbd180933f%7Cparentrq%3A85f7ac381680aa417112204ffffd83c0%7Ciid%3A1
Apologies for the excessive length of the URL, but I thought it best to leave it untrimmed.
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Nice looking model and a good looking game that appears to have been fun to play.
As mentioned in my other reply, the pics come from an eBay listing. A game with a flotilla of these would be quite something to look at.
Thanks for the info and pictures. Ironclads are supposed to be simple, but that rigging - not on the ironclads themselves, obviously - looks intimidating. Based on an earlier comment, the Houston models appear to be on the old side, if still serviceable: are they still in production?
As previously mentioned, the intended source of my navies is Thoroughbred, which has been recommended. I see USS Onondaga is included, and, while lacking the razor-sharp detail of the CRM piece, doesn't look half bad, as well as being presumably better suited to the rigours of the table top.
(http://thoroughbredmodels.com/images/TS10_Onondaga.jpg)
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Yes, they are still in production as we own and produce them. Many of the ships have been re-designed from the original masters and they continue to sell quite well. And as you saw from the photos they paint-up and look very good.
Dave
www.WargamingMiniatures.com
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Thanks. I wasn't familiar with the store. I see the Houston models are in 1/1200 scale, so are obviously not compatible with the other ranges mentioned, but may still be worth considering, particularly for larger engagements. I also noticed a couple of naval rule sets, which goes some way to addressing the other part of my earlier query. Do you know where I can find more details on these, particularly reviews?
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The rules were written in the 1980's, so there aren't any current reivews available. You might try speciality sites that are dedicated the the ACW naval perios.
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A rules option might be "Shot & Shell", a board game by 3W from the 1980s. Unsure how easily the rules could be adapted for figures and models. I believe you could adopt movement from another rule set to get past the hex movement of a board game and use S&S rules for firing, damage repair, etc. The rules author (Roger Nord) notes that he wrote the rules to improve some of the mechanics of "Ironclads" (published 1979).
The Wargamer magazine Volume 2 #4 (January 1988) includes articles and scenarios for S&S.
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http://theminiaturespage.com/rules/acw/sotw.html
Smoke on the Water is another option.
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http://theminiaturespage.com/rules/acw/sotw.html
Smoke on the Water is another option.
For some reason, while irrelevant in terms of subject matter, I can't help mentioning the board game Fire in the Sky, which covered the WW2 war in the Pacific. Apparently an excellent design, it is now out of print.
Thanks to all respondents for the suggestions, which I will investigate.
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For some reason, while irrelevant in terms of subject matter, I can't help mentioning the board game Fire in the Sky, which covered the WW2 war in the Pacific. Apparently an excellent design, it is now out of print.
Thanks to all respondents for the suggestions, which I will investigate.
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