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Miniatures Adventure => The Conflicts that came in from the Cold => Topic started by: commissarmoody on October 24, 2018, 12:54:34 AM
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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ultracombat/ultracombat-28mm-modern-miniatures-and-skirmish-ru
Ultracombat is Rules and figure kickstarter by Radio Dishdash. The guys how made the skermish Sangin rules.
These rules will be more concerned with conventional forces. And starts of with 9 figs each for Russian and I U.S. infantry with more planed as stretch goals. A Russian Federation Boomerang and U.S. Stryker 30mm "Dragoon" varrent are planed as the final goal.
I have not seen this sharied yet so I am posting it here.
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Interesting.
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I hope so, becase I would like to see this thing happen. I mean no one else currently make the Boomerang or the Stryker dragoon. So that's a pulse for me.
And I am looking a snagging a good group of Russians in Ratnik gear to add to my Empress Russian fed troops.
And the U.S. figs look good to. Of course with the U.S. military shoping for the next new big thing, who knows what they will really look like 3-5 years from now.
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I've already backed this one, and importantly for myself confirmed that once the Kickstarter's over you can swap out the Americans or Russians for duplicate sets for those wanting just one Nationality.
Its unfortunate that the vehicles will only be unlocked at the highest tier, but hopefully when they go onto retail the Bumerang in particular won't be too expensive. That turret would be really useful for a bunch of modern Russian vehicles, in particular perhaps a conversion of Empress T-14 Armata into a T-15 (or sticking onto a BMP-3 to turn it into a drone).
I haven't looked into the rules, but being their previous ruleset has been reviewed well this may be what I was looking for in larger modern games. Spectre: Operations has turned out to be more of a combat sim than a wargame unfortunately, so it doesn't really scale for vehicles (when you can one shot a soldier with a rifle, a 30mm cannon is overkill...).
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The KS looks very interesting, and I expect they put comparative pictures of these figures and some AAR reports from the ruleset.
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Only thing I know about the Rules so far is in the PDFs they posted under the campaign section. So the shooting and spotting look simple enough. But of course I am sure there is still alot more in the rules when they come out.
And I wil l suggest they put out a how to video or two to help with the Digital age folks. And maybe a side by side photos for thouse worried about scale.
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Here are some pics for those who don't want to click the link.
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And the vehicles.
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Looks very promising!
Don't make those gun barrels too thin and bendy.
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Yeah bendy barrel' s are a no go. lol
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Two more Renders.
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As of this morning this Kickstarter's now funded. With the first stretch goal looming at $17,1000 NZ / $11,250 US (experts tell me that's around £750 needed then, ah, I don't understand these monopoly money currencies). :)
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Bahahah Yep.
And they posted up the first Squad TO&E and AAR.
So here is link.
http://www.skirmishsangin.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/SQUADAAR_version5.pdf?fbclid=IwAR25RC_4Nubi5uKBPfEvMwKY_uxb8Lh_EO4L9QemonR5eBd2LzFp-TDLVwU
So it seems they answered are early questions in the comment section and their will be at least one UBGL in the Russian Squads.
And I already wrote them asking them to correct the M240 to the M249 in the US squads.
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That field they used in the image looks familiar. ...I may follow that conflict too much. :(
I may use that squad setup in future, as it looks more modernised than what information I'd been using (i.e. a DMR in each Russian squad, as opposed to those at a platoon command level. Though I had also thought they'd be using two LMGs, but the PKP seems a sufficient replacement to the RPK in that regard).
Tsk, what also means updating my Russian forces, and putting that collection together with Empress's squad packs was a headache as is. Oh well, they needed a touch up anyway.
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Just keep the old format for 2nd year troops. And the new one for Navel infantry, Recon and VDV style first line troops.
That way you don't have to go to crazy rearming every unit.
I would like to see a TO&E for the PLA in the future.
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Yeah, to be honest considering that second tier troops / reservists could be equipped and organised a decade behind those of regular armies, its probably a non-issue. As would most of my opponents be unaware that the Russians are now wearing Ratnik instead of old Soviet stuff, or what a Bumerang is anyway. This setting's for a what if future war scenario regardless. :P
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The PDF is very useful to see how the rules work. I have enjoyed it a lot, and I am now thinking about to read more of the modern Russian army topic...
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Agreed, I am actually looking forward to trying out the Dice 20 style.
As for Russian military info, aside from Wikipedia.
Check out the Osprey's by Aruther Mark Galeotti "The Modern Russian Army 1992-2016" and "Russian securty and paramilitary forces since 1991".
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Yeah, to be honest considering that second tier troops / reservists could be equipped and organised a decade behind those of regular armies, its probably a non-issue. As would most of my opponents be unaware that the Russians are now wearing Ratnik instead of old Soviet stuff, or what a Bumerang is anyway. This setting's for a what if future war scenario regardless. :P
Exactly, or you can use them to represent forces from one of the many break away republics such as Transnistria.
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They are now offering the rules on its own. For those who have no interest in the models, or 28mm.
Link:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ultracombat/ultracombat-28mm-modern-miniatures-and-skirmish-ru
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Moving up in the world, got a add on beast of war. lol
https://www.beastsofwar.com/modern-warfare/radio-dishdash-ultramodern-combat-kickstarter/?utm_source=Beasts+of+War+Subscriber&utm_campaign=bc45d327b8-Gamer+Daily_RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_9e687f4a36-bc45d327b8-396032245
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The Russians have become Neo-Soviets according to that article. Oops. :)
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The Russians have become Neo-Soviets according to that article. Oops. :)
Oops, cats out of the bag.
https://youtu.be/yFNRlvEh7ok
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2nd stretch goal met, and comparison photo.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ultracombat/ultracombat-28mm-modern-miniatures-and-skirmish-ru/posts/2332626
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Very useful!
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I suppose its now down to we Backers to actually decide on what these teams will be armed with. I of course couldn't give two ...sticks... about the Americans, but more Russian stuff is always appreciated. SASM are currently making their own Russian weapons teams, including a Kord, so whilst the more the merrier as far as options go, maybe we aught to think of some other things which haven't been represented yet in terms of options.
...Not that I can think of much off the top of my head. Though saying that, nobody's doing any drone jammers yet (I've been meaning to put an Empress Russian aside for a while now for one...).
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They did say some thing about a Kord or NSV Utyos and Kornet for the first Russian set of weapons.
If we change up from that set up, maybe a 82mm motar and say a AGS-30 or AGS-40 for some indirect support?
I dont see a problem with haveing a few more redundent figs out there with the same stuff. Just would like to see every thing else covered as well.
For the U.S. its going to get tricky. The M2 is useally not used in a dismounted role any more, so would a tripod 240B work? And for i guess a Javalin, or M3 MAAWS?
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If its a pair of two man weapons teams I'd imagine we'll see a machine gun and a anti-tank weapon.
For the Russians I'd rather see an Kord than an NSV if they're going for cutting edge gear. With Empress already doing a Metis-M, but the crew are a bit dated for modern games (fine as irregular forces of course), an ATGM could be useful as well.
Rather the better option may be to make weapons which aren't already out there, and then pair their modern crews with the older weapons which other companies are offering (i.e. Empress/Eureka/Spectre/Tiny Terrain Models) - instead of duplicating what's already there for the sake of new tools.
Yes though, mortars aren't as common a weapon to see in this scale for moderns. Nor are longer ranged weapons in general. I've had to buy a WWII artillery piece because larger guns just don't exist in this scale for the Nations I'm representing. :/
Again I can't speak for the Americans. Though they tend to be a bit better from what I've seen as far as shoulder fired launchers go. But US players will have to look at Empress/ Eureka/ Spectre - and whatever other companies covering Americans right now have already done and try and come up with something which isn't currently available for the most bang for your buck (I'd rather have a gun that I can't currently buy, instead of just a better detailed model - we've put up what we already have for years. They'd be nice to have, though not being able to field something else at all is probably more of an issue).
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3rd streach goal met! So more options for the fire teams.
This update goes into the amount of cards you will bring getting, and what will be represented on said cards.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ultracombat/ultracombat-28mm-modern-miniatures-and-skirmish-ru
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Interested in the rules, not so much the figures. The CAD designed stuff is very hit or miss for me and in this case a miss. Hopefully they will come up with printed versions of the cards available without the figs...
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Interested in the rules, not so much the figures. The CAD designed stuff is very hit or miss for me and in this case a miss. Hopefully they will come up with printed versions of the cards available without the figs...
These is a rules only option mate in the KS
Either sofback with 1 set of cards or hardback with 2 sets of cards
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Yep, and in their newest up date they say.
"The rule book will have cards printed in it for both sides that can be cut out and we will be providing a download PDF of both sides once the game is launched.
Players will also be able to buy additional Card packs when the KS is completed via our BackerKit."
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That sounds right. But, what is the use of the unit cards? Are they only a source of information?
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Pretty much, they have the units states. And their will be enough to play the game as a one card per a fig, One card per 2 figs(buddy teams), One card for a 4 man section/fire team, and one card for a squad. So you can play it any of those levels of detail. And yes the Unit cards just seem to have the units stats and special rules if any for the min/team/squad it represents.
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Thanks; I like the use of cards in place of unit charts or tables. On the other hand, I think it will be very easy to create new cards for other units or forces (I have a German RCON team I would like to use in the game).
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Thanks; I like the use of cards in place of unit charts or tables. On the other hand, I think it will be very easy to create new cards for other units or forces (I have a German RCON team I would like to use in the game).
Definately, I think if you take stats from sangin books it will be easy to do
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Agreed, seems like an easy thing to do.
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Now onto October!
Wait October? Ack! :(
Hopefully we'll see some rules release prior to that. I'm in need of some rules for a game I'll be putting on next year...
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Now onto October!
Wait October? Ack! :(
Hopefully we'll see some rules release prior to that. I'm in need of some rules for a game I'll be putting on next year...
Never fear they are sending out the 24 page beta so suspect all who pledge can also get involved with the development
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Yep, and their will be a backer kit, which they said will have the items that were not able to get funded. Including the Boomerang and Stryker Dragoon.
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I'll need to keep an eye on the potential further releases. Though whether they have a Kickstarter discount, or because they weren't unlocked will be there for retail is a ponder. However, I'd be buying them once they go up for sale anyway (ah, if my mind hasn't wandered by then...), so that's not too much of an issue.
Regardless, in the year it'll potentially take till release, perhaps we'll see other modern releases. That Russian vehicle may have a lot of potential, so if nobody else sells the other vehicles which use its turret I'd like to buy just that part and pair it with a T-14 Armata to make a T-15, or a BMP-3 to turn it into a robot (yes, I'm very insistent on wanting that vehicle :) ). Hmn....
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Nah, your pretty consistent in wanting Russian Vehicles. lol
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I shant be touching any of those nasty American ones. The superior Russian unditching log shall conquer all!
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I shant be touching any of those nasty American ones. The superior Russian unditching log shall conquer all!
Snigger....
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I shant be touching any of those nasty American ones. The superior Russian unditching log shall conquer all!
(Laughs in Russian Ground Forces)