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Title: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on October 28, 2018, 05:50:37 AM
Just got the book "Russia's Protectorates in Central Asia"and was wondering if anybody collects Askari Miniatures Russian figures and what do you think of them?
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: Will Bailie on October 28, 2018, 07:16:27 AM
Hello, Marco

There's some helpful info in this thread from (wow...) 9 years ago!  http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=13942.15

I have Russians for Central Asia from Askari, Outpost and Eureka Miniatures, photos in the thread above.  (Eureka and Outpost are re-purposed Russo-Turkish War (1877-1878 version) figures.  In my opinion, the Eureka figures are the prettiest; Askari are a bit rough around the edges.  However Askari provides artillery and cavalry as well as infantry.
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: chicklewis on October 30, 2018, 03:46:16 PM
I really like my Askari Central Asian Russian figures.  I painted them up quite a few years ago, and they look well once painted. 

I painted their red pants a little bit too 'pink' and want to repaint those pants a darker red, but never seem to get around to it. 
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: Romark on October 30, 2018, 05:42:51 PM
I use Perry Minis ACW for my "what if" campaigns,not for the purists though , but may be worth considering?
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on October 30, 2018, 05:45:31 PM
They look damn good.Did you sculpt the blouses a little bit?
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: Romark on October 30, 2018, 06:03:39 PM
Thanks Mark :)
No additional work on these,they are the packs of Rhode Island militia from the Perry's  :)
Cheers
Keith
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on October 30, 2018, 06:20:35 PM
I will have to check them out.They probably would go with Askari.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: rebelzippy on October 31, 2018, 04:07:53 PM
I have painted up some of the Artisan FFL as Summer Russians !
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on October 31, 2018, 05:08:41 PM
I think they are bigger than other manufacturers figures.They are nice figures.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on October 31, 2018, 05:44:18 PM
These are advertised on ebay as French Foreign Legion but I think they are Askari's Russians.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on October 31, 2018, 06:08:39 PM
Another angle.
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: Romark on October 31, 2018, 10:08:48 PM
They look like Askari Russians to me  :)
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: Will Bailie on November 01, 2018, 03:10:34 AM
Here's an old photo showing size and casting comparisons between (L-R) Eureka Miniatures, Askari Miniatures, Outpost Wargame Services and a Perry Brit for reference

(http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x96/WillBailie/Miniatures/DSCN0266.jpg)
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on November 01, 2018, 03:16:16 AM
The Eureka figure looks good but a tad small.There are only 4 variants anyway.I probably will get the Askari figures plus maybe the R.I.militia.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: Will Bailie on November 01, 2018, 04:01:23 AM
You'd be hard put to tell any of them apart once they're painted. 

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ol6-UVaJI2E/W1NidY9Xu-I/AAAAAAAACkQ/Zaz7F1442x83-qSaJukdYBZhd3sHOhmYwCLcBGAs/s1600/DSC02259.JPG)

Al at Askari is a real gent, he has excellent customer service so you won't go wrong there.
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on November 01, 2018, 10:40:41 AM
Yes I've ordered from there before and always had good service.I have 2 concerns about Askari,one is that the poses are a little stiff and unnatural and two that they are brittle.Your figures look very good.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: Shipka on November 05, 2018, 04:24:56 PM
Irregular Miniatures have some suitable figures
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on January 04, 2019, 03:07:31 AM
I've started getting some Russians from Askari. They aren't that bad at all.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: juergen c. olk on January 08, 2019, 03:55:28 AM
Great looking army,I will have to get some of those Perrys.
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on January 09, 2019, 03:16:40 AM
Yeah i'm getting them too.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on January 30, 2021, 03:55:46 PM
Just got this book. It's expensive but with so little info on this period I thought I would get it. https://www.amazon.com/Russian-Conquest-Central-Asia-Expansion/dp/1107030307/ref=sxts_sxwds-bia-wc-nc-drs1_0?crid=IBTDMOAJPDZV&cv_ct_cx=russian+conquest+of+central+asia&dchild=1&keywords=russian+conquest+of+central+asia&pd_rd_i=1107030307&pd_rd_r=8e8c8ffe-236e-4e24-b38c-d7b38c9c5ce0&pd_rd_w=YKm0w&pd_rd_wg=bLqbH&pf_rd_p=a64002b9-9c26-4361-b8a1-b0f5a4835670&pf_rd_r=21KDRG52H4AT7DZ5JP34&psc=1&qid=1612021390&sprefix=russian+conq%2Caps%2C161&sr=1-1-38d0a374-3318-4625-ad92-b6761a63ecf6
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on January 30, 2021, 04:03:36 PM
This looks interesting. A little out of the timeline of this thread but still will be interesting.  https://www.amazon.com/Central-Asian-Revolt-1916-collapsing/dp/1526129426/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on January 30, 2021, 04:07:49 PM
I also bought this one a couple of months ago but haven't started it yet. I have so many books sometimes I don't know which one I want to start next. lol  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1108456111/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: bc99 on January 30, 2021, 04:31:39 PM
I have that same problem, then I end up reading five books at the same time jumping back and forth.
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on June 02, 2021, 06:47:32 PM
I'm surprised that no one has written a book in English about Mikhail Skobelov. One of Russia's top generals in latter part of the 19th century.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: S J Donovan on June 04, 2021, 12:03:03 AM
Tiger Miniatures (Recreational Conflict in the US) has started making figures for Russian Central Asia.  They have Russian Infantry, artillery and cavalry.   Central Asians include Bokaran infantry, cavalry and militia as well as many other packs.  (http://recreationalconflict.lusagi.com/tigerimages/russia/car05.jpg)  (http://recreationalconflict.lusagi.com/tigerimages/tigercentralasia/ca20.jpg)
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on November 20, 2021, 01:56:34 PM
Anyone know of a book that has the organization of the Russian colonial army in Central Asia from the 1860's-early 1900's? I saw it in a book once but I can't think of what it was.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: italwars on November 21, 2021, 12:19:31 AM
During the Seventies I had a booklet aimed at wargamers about every possible organisation, weapons ecc...of Colonial Armies from every nations included minor ones..it was probably from Ted Hebert..unfortunatly i've lost the battered photocopies  ...i 'll try to find a copy again...i remenber some good infos on how to build a Colonial Russian Army in Central Asia..Furthermore there was also an article or two on Savage And Soldier magazine, another appeared in a old issue of Wargame Illustrated or Practical Wargame and a very first article on Wargame Newsletter..i'll have a look among my very messy files and paper archives
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on November 21, 2021, 01:07:47 AM
Thanks,
I've been ordering a couple of volumes of Savage & Soldier a month.I'll have to check it out.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on November 21, 2021, 08:46:20 PM
The Savage and Soldier articles are actually online.  http://www.savageandsoldier.com/articles/asia/CentralAsia.html
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: CPT Shanks on November 22, 2021, 07:23:16 PM
Great thread fortuitously resurfaced as we delve into Russian incursions into the Northwest Frontier, or southeast as it may be, in the great game. Great collection of links and ideas here. The RI militia and the shirts leaves and havelocks from. Perry would work too.
Will Bailie's force looks grand. Love those cossacks.
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: JBaumal on November 23, 2021, 04:17:52 AM
CPT Shanks, great find buddy, especially since we are in the process of building Russian forces for their incursions in the north heading dangerously close to Chitral. I think I will be ordering some outpost figures. I also like those RI figs, I think they look the part.
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on November 23, 2021, 03:10:03 PM
Since my interest has be rekindled I just ordered the following books. :D
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: JBaumal on November 23, 2021, 04:21:37 PM
Marco55, those look like awesome books! Do you have any books with color plates in them? Iím currently researching and building for a Russian force in Central Asia for THE SWORD AND THE FLAME games. Iíve started by buying packs of Askari Minis but think Iím going to add some other mfgr stuff as well.
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on November 23, 2021, 05:48:29 PM
Actually Askari Miniatures has a painting guide available. https://askari-minis.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=42&products_id=114
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on November 23, 2021, 05:56:05 PM
Some pics.https://en.topwar.ru/1833-zeravshanskij-poxod-1868-g-iz-istorii-zavoevaniya-turkestana.html
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on November 23, 2021, 05:59:22 PM
https://askari-minis.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=382
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on November 24, 2021, 03:42:59 AM
https://www.rbth.com/history/333823-how-russia-conquered-central-asia
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on November 28, 2021, 04:02:03 PM
Might be of interest.   https://history.army.mil/html/books/107/107-1/CMH_Pub_107-1.pdf
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on November 29, 2021, 07:52:45 PM
Another.   https://curve.carleton.ca/system/files/etd/e327dbea-987f-4dff-ba78-72c02318b460/etd_pdf/d71ffbad2695837c5573d0a1937783fe/eaton-theimpactoftherussianmilitarysystemonnineteenth.pdf
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: CPT Shanks on November 30, 2021, 02:02:23 AM
Fantastic resources Marco. That's going to take some exploration. Have you developed any scenarios from these? Have you played any what is between Russians and British on the roof of the world?
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on November 30, 2021, 03:24:19 AM
I'm not a gamer but I love miniatures and really like dioramas. I also like periods that you can't find much info in English like the Russians here, the Portuguese in Africa and the Dutch in the East Indies. I'm a glutton for punishment. :D lol
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: CPT Shanks on November 30, 2021, 05:21:14 AM
Ahhh.  Well said, guttons for punishment looking for obscure conflicts. Good stuff.
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: JBaumal on November 30, 2021, 09:31:45 PM
Marco55, great links, thanks buddy. Iím currently painting some Askari Minis Russians for a game this coming Saturday. What are you working on at the moment?
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on December 01, 2021, 04:34:31 AM
Well you saw my other thread but I still have some Russians but I don't think I will be pursuing that range. I also was in a kickstarter last year called the Savage Frontier. A FIW range set in winter. I was into the FIW period for a long time. They are suppose to come at the end of January. I've kind of lost interest in this period and truth be told I had an illness in the beginning of the year and also plan to retire in April or May this coming year so I've got to tighten the belt so to speak. So I guess I will be focusing on my Western Sudan project mostly.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on December 01, 2021, 02:33:55 PM
Here's a drawing from 1873 that might be of interest.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on December 03, 2021, 12:49:54 PM
I don't know if anybody is interested in boardgames but this is coming out in about a year.  http://shop.strategyandtacticspress.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=ST338
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: JBaumal on December 05, 2021, 04:27:59 AM
Great drawing Marco, thanks for sharing. We just played a wargame today with a Russian incursion into northern Afghanistan, 1890.
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on December 05, 2021, 05:05:05 AM
That's great you will have to put some photos up. That drawing is up on ebay.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: giorgio on December 05, 2021, 10:21:14 AM
Reading your posts too, I'm going to be convinced to start a new project using Askari. Has someone reviewed the army lists for TMWWBK ? Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: CPT Shanks on December 05, 2021, 05:40:03 PM
Giorgio I am not using the Theoretical Russian list in TMWWBK. For a couple of reasons. First I don't think it gives a good representation of the Russians that conquered central Asia classifying them as unenthusiastic and poor shots. I keep mine as Regular Infantry and make them fierce to encourage getting stuck in, use only one irregular cavalry recognizing their limited use in the mountains, then keep the well drilled gun, in my case the gatling
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: giorgio on December 05, 2021, 07:25:45 PM
Shank I agree. I don't know why Russian infantry should be unenthusiastic. ...and Your proposal is also cheaper ;) lol
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: italwars on December 05, 2021, 08:02:46 PM
Reading your posts too, I'm going to be convinced to start a new project using Askari. Has someone reviewed the army lists for TMWWBK ? Thanks in advance

Hi Giorgio..wish you are fine..congrats for the NWF campaign and the intrigues  :)..sorry if i disappeared...by the way the Askari Russians and Central Asian are my favourite..easy to paint and compatible with almost everything.. but it's so expensive to order them from Italy and then they are, in those days, invariably targeted by our customer office's extorsions ..sorry.."import taxes"...it seem easier and cheaper to recruit real tribesmen and cossacks than Askari castings :'(
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: giorgio on December 05, 2021, 09:35:17 PM
Hi Pier Paolo nice to hear from you! Why don't you enter some consideration/provocation in the NWF saga topic? Have you painted Askari Russians and Central Asia, approx how much P&P costs? I recommend to include in the list of books also Ian Health's Central Asia and the Himalayan Kingdoms (Armies of the Nineteenth Century: Asia)
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: italwars on December 06, 2021, 12:49:03 AM
Hi
the cost of ordering Askari minis from Italy is very high ..even if you buy just one packet expect to pay something around 25/35 dollars for postage  ..you could try to simulate by yourself by adding to the cart and calculate postage Öyou ll be shocked ..then, when the parcel get trough and reach Italy, custom officials will keep it for another week or two and ask you about 50 per cent of the value in taxes..which is really an extortion ..on the other hand the customer service from Askari is quick and very good ..I Ve just began to paint some central Asians..the Russians are good figures cause they didnít wear, contrary to other manufactures, the clumsy blanket across the body ..by the way you can order cavalry/Cossacks from the excellent Outpost wargames in UK..they even produce on their Russo-Turkish War range some mounted and dismounted central Asian/Circassians ..compatible with Askari, OG, Foundry ecc..donít forget Russian cavalry from the often neglected Redoubt miniatures ..sold singly and even without horses same as Outpost..they are from the Russo-Japanese range and contrary to other Redoubt ranges, perfectly compatible with Foundry, Askari , OGÖin the near future I will  also have a try with Tiger miniatures ..and Iíll post some picts
Last thought there is also a low budget quite interesting way to raise some Central Asian units :
You can order, as I did, some spare Central Asian tribesmen heads from Siberia Miniatures whose boss is a member of the forum and fix it to mounted or dismounted Gripping Beast cheaper plastic Arabs (adding muskets, scabbards ecc) ..the heads are compatible and absolutely beautiful ..the nice guy behind Siberia Miniatures,  Cuprum , designed even different  and detailed features for the headdress of various tribes  and ethnic groups heads...
as soon as Iíll have time to recuperate my conversion attempts s
 from wood box stored in my cellar Iíll post some picts.

I own that very book published by foundry from wich I came to a pair of less impressive conclusions:
- foot tribesmen were totally useless and saw very limited action
- in any case few or no real open battles took place if compared to some moderately bloody sieges. Mounted tribesmen were simply unwilling to fight and became elusive as soon as they met Cossack scout parties.
So, in my opinion, a period most suited for ďwhat ifĒ scenariosĒ
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: italwars on December 06, 2021, 01:39:13 AM
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Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: giorgio on December 06, 2021, 06:14:45 AM
Italwars thank you
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: S J Donovan on December 06, 2021, 08:12:26 PM
Tiger Miniatures in the UK has a new line of Central Asians and Russians for the period.
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: giorgio on December 07, 2021, 07:09:56 AM
Thanks, How do they dimension compare with others?
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on December 07, 2021, 11:42:24 AM
I think they are pretty big.I don't know about Outpost's
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on December 07, 2021, 02:16:23 PM
Another drawing from 1872 of Russians taking  Samarkand in 1868.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on December 08, 2021, 05:21:50 PM
Just ordered this book.Might have some more info.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on December 13, 2021, 08:00:04 PM
One more.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: JBaumal on December 13, 2021, 08:20:42 PM
Mark, once your review the Foundry book please let me know if you think itís worth it for my gaming needs. Thanks buddy.
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on December 13, 2021, 08:33:30 PM
I will Jeff.I haven't received it yet. It's coming from the UK.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on December 15, 2021, 02:29:34 PM
The last book I posted is mostly during the Soviet period.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: JBaumal on December 17, 2021, 01:03:25 PM
In the first 2 paintings there are red flags for the Russians. The first painting looks like it had little yellow stars and in the 2nd one it looks like a unit designation pennon. Does anyone have an data as to what these are and what flags or pennon the Russians would of or may have carried with them?
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on December 17, 2021, 09:10:33 PM
I've decided to sell my Russians as I want to continue my main project and I may have some Russians and Central Asians made at the smaller scale that I'm involved in right now.  http://theminiaturespage.com/market/msg.mv?id=104928&page=1
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: cuprum on December 18, 2021, 04:15:30 AM
(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/p_syutkin/64914398/4061709/4061709_original.jpg)
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Khiva campaign in 1873. Ferry of the Turkestan detachment across the Amu Darya river (From the painting by N.N. Karazin)


(http://russian.eurasianet.org/sites/default/files/styles/article/public/images/russian/072517_0.jpg?itok=Ok_DReU4)
Large: https://russian.eurasianet.org/sites/default/files/styles/article/public/images/russian/072517_0.jpg?itok=Ok_DReU4

The entry of Russian troops into Samarkand on June 8, 1868 (painting by Nikolai Karazin)


(http://wiki.gcdn.co/images/e/ed/Хивинский_поход_1873_Каразин_1888.jpg)
Large: https://wiki.gcdn.co/images/e/ed/Хивинский_поход_1873_Каразин_1888.jpg

Khiva campaign in 1873. Through the dead sands to the Adam-Krylgan wells (Karazin N.N., 1888).


(http://api.artmeteo.com/media/cache/22/6f/226f217e4804eaf19de9ffaee01df169.jpg)
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They attack by surprise. 1871 (Vereshchagin V.V., 1888).


(http://b.radikal.ru/b14/2112/41/d8b8c7133cdd.jpg)
Large: http://b.radikal.ru/b14/2112/41/d8b8c7133cdd.jpg

The capture of Tashkent by General Chernyaev on June 16, 1865 (N.N. Karazin)


(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/nik_rasov/77824516/404868/404868_2000.jpg)
Large: https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/nik_rasov/77824516/404868/404868_2000.jpg

Storming Geok-Tepe (N. N. Karazin)


(http://roubaud.ru/sites/default/files/Img_main/198.jpg)
https://roubaud.ru/sites/default/files/Img_main/198.jpg

Taking of Geok-Tepe on January 12,1881 (F. Rubo. 1898)


(http://warspot-asset.s3.amazonaws.com/articles/pictures/000/015/929/source/skobelev04.jpg)
https://warspot-asset.s3.amazonaws.com/articles/pictures/000/015/929/source/skobelev04.jpg

Mikhail Skobelev during the Akhal-Teke expedition of 1880-1881. (Action of Lieutenant Sheman's naval battery. 1880)


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Геок-Тепе_подготовка_к_штурму.jpg)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Геок-Тепе_подготовка_к_штурму.jpg

Reconnaissance of the area in front of the village of Yangi-Kala, December 18, 1880


(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5Zv4slwz-bQ/VjlIv77jnkI/AAAAAAAAK50/dKxoNLoGQl8/s1600/1880%25D0%25A223.184.jpg)
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5Zv4slwz-bQ/VjlIv77jnkI/AAAAAAAAK50/dKxoNLoGQl8/s1600/1880%25D0%25A223.184.jpg

View of Geok-Tepe from the north during the assault on 28 August


(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1LGFmfCKuq8/Vj30504pXSI/AAAAAAAALIU/M9uLoxX9yvQ/s1600/1880%25D0%25A224.051.jpg)
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1LGFmfCKuq8/Vj30504pXSI/AAAAAAAALIU/M9uLoxX9yvQ/s1600/1880%25D0%25A224.051.jpg

Protection of Doctor Studitsky by 12 Cossacks from the attack of 300 Turkmen horsemen (episode of the campaign against the Turkmen)


(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ehES8TSbBAw/Vi56j1uUkcI/AAAAAAAAKI0/6Ye74XthDoA/s1600/1879%25D0%25A222.068.jpg)
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ehES8TSbBAw/Vi56j1uUkcI/AAAAAAAAKI0/6Ye74XthDoA/s1600/1879%25D0%25A222.068.jpg

Expedition of the Akhal-Teke detachment against the Turkmen Teke - Representatives of the units that make up the expedition



Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: italwars on December 18, 2021, 12:51:49 PM
I've decided to sell my Russians as I want to continue my main project and I may have some Russians and Central Asians made at the smaller scale that I'm involved in right now.  http://theminiaturespage.com/market/msg.mv?id=104928&page=1
Mark
Hello
if you could work out a very basic sending cost/option to Italy i could be interested...in case you can send me a PM
thanks
Pier
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: italwars on December 18, 2021, 01:00:05 PM
Thanks Cuprum..as usual every info /source from you is a  gold mine..

by the way...please are those sailors manning what seems to be a Machine Gun...maybe a Nordenfeldt?..

"Mikhail Skobelev during the Akhal-Teke expedition of 1880-1881. (Action of Lieutenant Sheman's naval battery. 1880)"



Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: cuprum on December 18, 2021, 04:19:44 PM
The expeditionary corps under the command of General Skobelev was assigned a naval artillery detachment of Lieutenant Sheman, armed with two 44 mm EngstrŲm rapid-fire cannons and four rifle-caliber mitrailleuses. These were rare, one might even say unique, guns developed by DeWitt Clinton Farrington and were not used in battles anywhere except in Russia.

(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/vikond65/53941713/1426478/1426478_original.jpg)

(http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/15526/89540973.b7/0_129c4a_176e177f_XL.jpg)
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on December 18, 2021, 04:24:28 PM
Cuprum,
The Russian Army had a special corps for operations in Central Asia.I had this information once but have now lost it.You don't have any information on the organization do you?
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: cuprum on December 18, 2021, 04:32:34 PM
In the first 2 paintings there are red flags for the Russians. The first painting looks like it had little yellow stars and in the 2nd one it looks like a unit designation pennon. Does anyone have an data as to what these are and what flags or pennon the Russians would of or may have carried with them?

I have no information on the banners of the Russian troops used in campaigns. I can assume, by analogy with the period of the First World War, that the "striped" flag is the flag of the army headquarters (in our case, the expedition).

The second flag depicts the personal flag of General Mikhail Skobelev, but this is how it looked, apparently, during the Russian-Turkish war. During the Akhal-Teke expedition, this flag looked different:
(http://www.tg-m.ru/catalog/sites/default/files/imagecache/pic_200x200/catalog/_10-znamya-skobeleva.jpg)
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: cuprum on December 18, 2021, 04:44:24 PM
I am not aware of any special corps. Each time for the next campaign, new detachments were formed. Here you need to talk about a specific campaign.
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: cuprum on December 18, 2021, 05:01:45 PM
Perhaps you are talking about "Turkestan line battalions"? But these are the usual garrison or territorial troops for Russia. Here is an article from Wikipedia about such battalions (automatic translation):

https://ru-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/%D0%9B%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B9%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B1%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BE%D0%BD?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: italwars on December 18, 2021, 06:16:48 PM
Again many thanks Cuprum!  you're a real gentleman and a scientist to supply us all that great info and in so many fields..
among the plates you posted the black and white contemporary one is also very interesting...among the various troop types i noticed also, in the center, a figure (not an officer as he hold a rifle but maybe a cavaryman from his side sword scabbard)) that sport, instead of the kťpi type,  the flat type hat with visor, and in that very case, with neckcloth..from what i was aware of that hat  was adopted only from the  Russo-Japanese War and up to WW1/RCW (and by NKV D troop types during WW2)...that's quite amazing for me as i thought that in 1879,with the  exception maybe of some officers  only the kťpi type hat covered with white cloth was in use...if we could also use for the Conquest Of Central Asia the same Russian figures of the Boxer Rebellion it'll of great help...at least for me that i already own some painted Russian white dressed infantry for the Boxer Rebellion...
many thanks for your precious advice.
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on December 18, 2021, 07:50:54 PM
Perhaps you are talking about "Turkestan line battalions"? But these are the usual garrison or territorial troops for Russia. Here is an article from Wikipedia about such battalions (automatic translation):

https://ru-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/%D0%9B%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B9%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B1%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BE%D0%BD?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru

Yes I think these are what I was referring to.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: cuprum on December 19, 2021, 04:27:55 AM
White caps were allowed to be used by officers and generals. Also, white caps were widely used by the Cossacks.

(http://i78.fastpic.ru/big/2016/0819/fa/23f0e343a36cdb1199ec5bc9b044ccfa.jpg)

(http://i77.fastpic.ru/big/2016/0819/05/2aa5dc94725a6fc0a1b4fc16c70ae605.jpg)

Three figures for the Central Asian campaigns - a soldier in the foreground and two officers on the right. One in a shirt, the other in a jacket. (In green uniforms - soldiers in the Caucasus)

(http://voenflot.ru/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Kazaki-704x1024.jpg)

Orenburg Cossacks in Central Asia 1860 - 1870. Officer and Cossack.


(http://mtdata.ru/u5/photoF0D0/20796229678-0/original.jpg)

Siberian Cossack
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: JBaumal on December 20, 2021, 04:08:33 AM
Cuprum, thank you for that wealth of data and period paintings! Iíd not seen several of those before.
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: CPT Shanks on December 21, 2021, 06:11:18 PM
Great information Cuprum. Thank you for posting and explaining.
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: ColCampbell on December 21, 2021, 06:28:11 PM
I've also begun collecting and painting Russians for Central Asian campaigns and battles.  You can see some of my initial efforts on my blog, ColCampbell's Barracks (http://ColCampbell's Barracks).  So far all my Russians are Askari Miniatures.

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qebmpoUzVAw/YaeYuh5dK9I/AAAAAAAAKbM/jn4BID_C-PcMOkZ1vm4mZhvPgqiEzaiwgCLcBGAsYHQ/s2400/8th_Siberian_Rifles_01.JPG)

Currently I am (slowly) working on a Krupp field gun and a Russian produced Gatling gun for my Russian forces as well as some British regulars.  In the queue are some more Russians, Brits, Indians, and Pashtuns.

Jim
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on December 22, 2021, 12:13:26 PM
They look very good but I think the pants should be red but then again soldiers always improvise. :)
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: italwars on December 22, 2021, 11:54:42 PM
something about military operations and in English..even if dated could be found on line
a heavy PDF book with a few battle histories, description of Central Asian warriors  and some few  nice line drawings:
https://archive.org/details/campaigningonoxu00macg
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on December 23, 2021, 04:01:56 PM
Thanks Pier. I found it in book form at Amazon and ordered it. Hard for me to read on the computer.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: italwars on December 24, 2021, 02:08:05 PM
Thanks Pier. I found it in book form at Amazon and ordered it. Hard for me to read on the computer.
Mark
hi you're welcome ...me too..i've spent more than 3 years in digitalising and scan all my archives and majority of my books, maps ecc and still not able to enjoy reading trough the PC...anyway still happy to be "old fashion" :-)
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on December 24, 2021, 02:27:22 PM
Me too.Give me a book anyday.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: JBaumal on December 24, 2021, 03:05:20 PM
Me too! Thereís just something about an old fashioned book. I too will be purchasing that book. Thank you for the recommendation!
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on December 24, 2021, 05:19:32 PM
Make sure you get the one 504 pages. There's a soft cover edition but says it is only 136 pages.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: JBaumal on December 31, 2021, 03:34:07 AM
Mark, thank you for the heads up on the book.
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on December 31, 2021, 04:08:16 AM
I got mine yesterday. :D
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: JBaumal on December 31, 2021, 08:54:35 PM
Mark, I found 3 reprints, one had 504 pgs, 512 pgs, and another with 564 pgs. I think Iíll go with the one with the most pgs.
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on January 08, 2022, 02:23:42 PM
I didn't see the one with 564 pgs.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on February 15, 2022, 04:17:50 AM
Of interest,   https://archive.org/details/russiansatgateso00marvuoft/mode/2up
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: giorgio on February 15, 2022, 09:02:34 AM
Thanks Mark, very interesting indeed :-*
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: Captain Darling on February 15, 2022, 12:27:25 PM
Another online archive 1880s period book that may be of interest...1877-1878 Russian Army campaigns against Turkey, set a bit far west I know but the first 128 pages are general information about the Russian Army, tactics, weapons etc of the time, also features unit and overall army OOBs...

https://archive.org/details/russianarmyitsca00greeuoft (https://archive.org/details/russianarmyitsca00greeuoft)

So you can see a big group of Outpost figures here is my 1879 European Russian Army for a hypothetical campaign in the Antipodes...there are figures in their range thatíd work for Central Asia, I much prefer these to the Askari brand with there Wallace and Gromit hands and sort of flat profile (there are 3 in the picture in the front row I got them as sample)...
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KLNtin8jbT0/WWFv-WZMyJI/AAAAAAAAAFY/d29ViVf40LEtzFvH2pbocIPMDDKj12SPgCLcBGAs/s1600/Russian%2BInfantry%2BFront%2B1.jpg)

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RwnR02uDpPQ/WWFwuhjtnoI/AAAAAAAAAFo/L6VH6__WLog9xzFYC6spPtDX5VMdjFvkgCEwYBhgL/s1600/Cossacks%2BFront%2B600.jpg)

Not exactly related but I started putting together my 1879 hypothetical Antipodean stuff back in 2014, believe it or not there were serious fears of a Russian Invasion at the time! Hereís the first of many posts on my blog...
https://captaindarlingsminiaturesemporium.blogspot.com/2014/10/ (https://captaindarlingsminiaturesemporium.blogspot.com/2014/10/)
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on February 15, 2022, 12:55:07 PM
Thanks Captain.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: Smokeyrone on February 15, 2022, 08:59:18 PM
Thanks Mark :)
No additional work on these,they are the packs of Rhode Island militia from the Perry's  :)
Cheers
Keith

Wow!  Very nice
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: Romark on February 15, 2022, 09:09:23 PM
Wow!  Very nice
Cheers 👍
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: JBaumal on March 11, 2022, 02:44:25 AM
 Great stuff Capt Darling! Iíve been a big fan of your blog for quite some time.
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on April 03, 2022, 02:37:02 AM
I've been getting some Russians made in 1/72(actually 22mm) .
Mark

Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: Emir of Askaristan on April 03, 2022, 02:15:05 PM
They look good.

3d printed? Scaleable??
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on April 03, 2022, 02:42:15 PM
Yes 3-D.Making them the size of Massimo Costa's figures.
Mark.
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: Hang Tuah on April 04, 2022, 02:08:16 AM
As someone who neither owns a printer nor likes plastic figures, I gotta ask, will these be available in metal? And are there plans to produce their opponents?
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on April 04, 2022, 02:13:44 AM
As someone who neither owns a printer nor likes plastic figures, I gotta ask, will these be available in metal? And are there plans to produce their opponents?

I'm having these sculpted and made by someone in Sweden. I or he have no plans to do these in metal. I wish I could because i much prefer metal also.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: Hang Tuah on April 04, 2022, 03:04:49 AM
You can always outsource the mould-making and casting like many manufacturers, though I imagine that may be prohibitively expensive for a subject and scale this obscure. Or maybe consider some sort of deal with Hagen?

In any case, not my place to be dictating anything. Big thumbs up for having the cojones to commission this in the first place.
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on April 04, 2022, 10:56:21 AM
Thanks.Yes it would be too expensive for me.Just getting them is sculpted is a lot. I hope to get a total of 12-15 poses of the Russians done.I hope to do some Central Asians too but I'm scared of what it will cost to get mounted ones done.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: italwars on April 04, 2022, 11:02:15 AM
Thanks.Yes it would be too expensive for me.Just getting them is sculpted is a lot. I hope to get a total of 12-15 poses of the Russians done.I hope to do some Central Asians too but I'm scared of what it will cost to get mounted ones done.
Mark

If you have done, as you said, in 1:72 you would'nt need the horses..just have produced the riders and, for appropriate mounts,  there are plenty of cheap options in plastic from various sets such as Italeri, Strelets ecc ..a basic medieval or eastern type horse (saracens, mongols ecc..) would be Ok, at that scale,  for Central Asian tribesmem
by the way..as  you ll have done your minis  "in Sweden" ..so i imagine they'll be produced in 3D by Speira..i guess , that afterwards, they ll be also available in 28mm?
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on April 04, 2022, 11:18:37 AM
http://digitalsculpt.se/
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: Hang Tuah on April 04, 2022, 05:21:15 PM
Okay, really stupid question, but have you considered asking Massimo Costa? I for one really love the dynamism of his poses. He used to accept commissions, so maybe it will be cheaper than the 3d route.
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on April 04, 2022, 06:35:11 PM
Okay, really stupid question, but have you considered asking Massimo Costa? I for one really love the dynamism of his poses. He used to accept commissions, so maybe it will be cheaper than the 3d route.
I did.I had asked him about do some 1890's French officers  and Senegalese Tirailluers but he is focusing on his Franco-Prussian line for now.I did have a couple of the French/Senegalese ones sculpted but switched to the Russians for now. Massimo's also are more 22mm than 20mm  so I'm making them more that size.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: italwars on April 04, 2022, 07:26:47 PM
I did.I had asked him about do some 1890's French officers  and Senegalese Tirailluers but he is focusing on his Franco-Prussian line for now.I did have a couple of the French/Senegalese ones sculpted but switched to the Russians for now. Massimo's also are more 22mm than 20mm  so I'm making them more that size.
Mark
So you re converting your colonial wargame tastes toward 20mm/1:72?..not a bad idea at all..
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on April 04, 2022, 07:36:47 PM
Yes I'm retiring next year and would like to play around with some dioramas and I think the smaller figures you can do more at that scale.I go on some sites like History in 1/72 and see the fantastic work they do.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: Emir of Askaristan on April 05, 2022, 05:33:34 AM
Some friends of mine clubbed together to have a small range of figures sculpted so they could print them. They pooled their cash, splitting the cost. Not a kickstarter, just a group with the same limited aim.
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on April 05, 2022, 01:42:43 PM
I tried that  to get a range going for the Aceh War in the Dutch East Indies and 1 guy commissioned one and that was it.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on April 07, 2022, 12:42:17 AM
Here's the difference between the 1/72 and 22mm I had done. I'll be using the 22mm to match Masimo Costa's figures I'll be using.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: Hang Tuah on April 09, 2022, 09:57:13 AM
I did.I had asked him about do some 1890's French officers  and Senegalese Tirailluers but he is focusing on his Franco-Prussian line for now.I did have a couple of the French/Senegalese ones sculpted but switched to the Russians for now. Massimo's also are more 22mm than 20mm  so I'm making them more that size.
Mark

Good to know you have already explored that avenue! The French colonials done by Massimo sound amazing. Did he turn you down outright, or will they eventually get made once he's done with the FPW stuff?

Another 20mm maker who accepts commissions is Elhiem, who will also cast the figures in metal. In recent years he has switched completely to digital sculpting, which means the sculpts tend to be more slender than other companies'. Folks have banded together to get an entire range sculpted. Again, only trying to be helpful. I most certainly don't mean to come across as a busybody.
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: Hang Tuah on April 09, 2022, 09:59:08 AM
Here's the difference between the 1/72 and 22mm I had done. I'll be using the 22mm to match Masimo Costa's figures I'll be using.
Mark

Looking good! But what is he though, a Turkoman tribesman? I don't know anything about the period but wholly approve of your spending your money this way.
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on April 09, 2022, 10:31:00 AM
No he's a Senegalese tirailluer.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on April 09, 2022, 10:32:16 AM
Here's another one.
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on April 09, 2022, 10:34:02 AM
Good to know you have already explored that avenue! The French colonials done by Massimo sound amazing. Did he turn you down outright, or will they eventually get made once he's done with the FPW stuff?

Another 20mm maker who accepts commissions is Elhiem, who will also cast the figures in metal. In recent years he has switched completely to digital sculpting, which means the sculpts tend to be more slender than other companies'. Folks have banded together to get an entire range sculpted. Again, only trying to be helpful. I most certainly don't mean to come across as a busybody.

No I don't think your a busybody at all.I appreciate any advice.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: italwars on April 09, 2022, 01:58:04 PM
No he's a Senegalese tirailluer.
Mark
Maybe Iím wrong but I think the configuration of the back straps is not the right one for the lebel pouches
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: Hang Tuah on April 09, 2022, 03:56:23 PM
No he's a Senegalese tirailluer.
Mark

Holy shit, I knew I'd be off the mark, but didn't expect to be this far off. Haha.

Again, good luck with the venture, and thank you for enriching our hobby.

I wonder what other subjects you have in store for commissioning?
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on April 09, 2022, 05:38:07 PM
Maybe Iím wrong but I think the configuration of the back straps is not the right one for the lebel pouches
You may be right.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: italwars on April 09, 2022, 06:04:13 PM
those are some reliable plates ..the back straps are "Y" shaped and another common feature was an additional or a single pouch on the back..and, as an alternative, no straps at all..as i've seen in quite a few picts and plates..the equipment carried was minimal as their wives were employed as cooks, housekeepers and, in campaign, also as porters  ;) :D
another feature was the "Serrual" pants..well under  knee lenght or at ankle lenght for the tirailleurs belonging to the camel sections and just under the knees for the rest..in your  rendering they are, in my opinion, too much above the knee and not sufficiently puffing..on the other hand the headgear "chťchia" is very well done..the first one that i see which has been done correctly in a miniature..one last feature that, in my opinion, should be represented, at least in some subjects,  is the "coupe coupe" panga type broad knife that every tirailleur used even in battle and was proud of it..it was officialy distributed with his big scabbard in 1989 but was in use also before.
an. very LAST, the designer also forgot to sculpt another essential feature which is the red sash under the bel...just my opionion but i don t agree if somebody told me that it was nt used on campaign but only in parades..simply because it was an essential item in african costumes and above all to protect stomach, reins ecc..during cold and disentery..and above all how can you play wargame or make dioramas without the most iconic details of your choosed subjects?  ;) :)

OK sorry really out of topic..i ll stop now

https://www.passionmilitaria.com/t39307-le-coupe-coupe-du-tirailleur-senegalais
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on April 09, 2022, 06:33:14 PM
Some more
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: italwars on April 09, 2022, 06:44:17 PM
contrary to images..the tirailleurs in action did nt wear neither gaiters,  shoes or sandals...in my opinion the picts with shoes represented  just experimental attempts or posed picts..or the parade at Champs Elysťes of Marchand Expedition...i read that in some very few campaigns  that gaiters were sometime used to protect ankles and calves from thorns ..but bare feet with gaiters are nt very nice to see and paint in a miniature
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on April 09, 2022, 06:46:09 PM
https://www.warflag.com/shadow/uniforms/senguniform.htm
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: italwars on April 09, 2022, 07:00:44 PM
thanks Marco..i know those plates..in my opinion the most useful (and only) figure for the period you choosed to represent (Fights against Samori, French Soudan and also Cote d'Ivoire even Tchad) is the "Tirailleur and Officer in White Campaign Pants 1890" and precisly the guy with the rifle at rest, with sash, minimal equipment...puffy pants slightly under the knee.in my opinion not even sandals...avoid of course the backpack..as unfortunatly Eureka miniatures provided on his 28mm tirailleurs..i read on a French contemporary book that on one occasion that a French officer ordered to his tirailleurs to carry their packs, ammo reserves, water, goodies ecc..it was answered by his soldiers almost rioting "no we are soldiers that s a duty for slaves not fo us" :)..the warrior races (bambara for ex.) among which were recruited the tirailleurs were very devoted to their leaders but quite individualistic and almost lofty..that 's the reason why i have about 40 of them (Reviresco miniatures in 28mm ) and  they also are my favourite colonial troops to represent on the tabletop  :) ;)
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on April 09, 2022, 07:12:08 PM
I had the Reviresco when I was collecting 28mm.I'm mostly going for the "look" than accuracy as there are just no Senegalese in 1/72.It's just for fun to make a diorama when I retire. Same with the Russians.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on April 12, 2022, 11:51:24 AM
Here's a couple more I had sculpted.I like the poses but I told the sculptor that I think the tunic is too puffy and too long between the belt and the knees.I think these are suppose to be summer tunics not a coat.Comments,opinion's suggestions are appreciated.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: JBaumal on April 13, 2022, 03:57:34 AM
Marco, you are most correct sir! In all the paintings and drawings Iíve seen the Russian Gimnasterka was definitely shorter than those modeled on those 1/72 scale figs.
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: Emir of Askaristan on April 13, 2022, 05:39:05 AM
Mid thigh and thinner fabric. It is a shirt and not a coat as you say. Otherwise great figure.
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on April 13, 2022, 10:54:16 AM
Yes even on the Senegalese I had done the tunic looks more like a coat.I will correct him on any future figures.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on April 28, 2022, 02:45:57 AM
Here are the 5 figures I have had done so far. I talked to the sculptor about the tunic being too thick. He tried to thin it but didn't have much success. I may have to stop the project as the tunic looks too much like a coat.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: Emir of Askaristan on April 28, 2022, 05:47:16 AM
I think these are better. Only a little thicker now and that may resolve itself when painted.

Have you printed any test samples to see how they look painted?
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on April 28, 2022, 10:49:35 AM
Reply #100 has some painted ones but with the old sculpts.I haven't got any  from him yet.He says it's very hard to get the fabric thinner.Maybe because the figure is a 1/72? I don't know anything about 3-D printing maybe it depends on the printer.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: Emir of Askaristan on April 28, 2022, 11:44:58 AM
It probably is down to the difficulty of making the fabric look thin enough - looking at these from Esci - the shirt is as thick as the jacket, so you're not alone.

http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/SetScans/ESC237c.jpg (http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/SetScans/ESC237c.jpg)

However they went to market with the figures, so perhaps it's less of an issue than you think, especially in that scale.
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on April 28, 2022, 12:09:29 PM
Maybe they would look better to me at actual scale.The bigger the picture the more imperfections you see.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: JBaumal on May 01, 2022, 04:03:03 PM
Mark, please donít stop the project! These look great, and in 1/72 scale will be perfect!! I honestly believe they will look awesome painted up
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on May 01, 2022, 04:16:46 PM
I have decided to continue so hopefully I will get 15-20 figures done eventually.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on May 04, 2022, 08:19:02 PM
This is the first 5 finished.I think they look pretty good. I will get another bunch started in about a month.
Mark
Title: Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
Post by: marco55 on May 04, 2022, 08:32:38 PM
I'm actually getting these made in 20mm not 22mm as I won't be using Massimo's figures for this group.I bought some Turkomen and Afghans off Newline Designs. I may have a few Central Asians done after the Russians.
Mark