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Miniatures Adventure => Colonial Adventures => Topic started by: marco55 on October 28, 2018, 05:50:37 AM
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Just got the book "Russia's Protectorates in Central Asia"and was wondering if anybody collects Askari Miniatures Russian figures and what do you think of them?
Mark
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Hello, Marco
There's some helpful info in this thread from (wow...) 9 years ago! http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=13942.15
I have Russians for Central Asia from Askari, Outpost and Eureka Miniatures, photos in the thread above. (Eureka and Outpost are re-purposed Russo-Turkish War (1877-1878 version) figures. In my opinion, the Eureka figures are the prettiest; Askari are a bit rough around the edges. However Askari provides artillery and cavalry as well as infantry.
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I really like my Askari Central Asian Russian figures. I painted them up quite a few years ago, and they look well once painted.
I painted their red pants a little bit too 'pink' and want to repaint those pants a darker red, but never seem to get around to it.
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I use Perry Minis ACW for my "what if" campaigns,not for the purists though , but may be worth considering?
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They look damn good.Did you sculpt the blouses a little bit?
Mark
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Thanks Mark :)
No additional work on these,they are the packs of Rhode Island militia from the Perry's :)
Cheers
Keith
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I will have to check them out.They probably would go with Askari.
Mark
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I have painted up some of the Artisan FFL as Summer Russians !
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I think they are bigger than other manufacturers figures.They are nice figures.
Mark
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These are advertised on ebay as French Foreign Legion but I think they are Askari's Russians.
Mark
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Another angle.
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They look like Askari Russians to me :)
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Here's an old photo showing size and casting comparisons between (L-R) Eureka Miniatures, Askari Miniatures, Outpost Wargame Services and a Perry Brit for reference
(http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x96/WillBailie/Miniatures/DSCN0266.jpg)
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The Eureka figure looks good but a tad small.There are only 4 variants anyway.I probably will get the Askari figures plus maybe the R.I.militia.
Mark
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You'd be hard put to tell any of them apart once they're painted.
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ol6-UVaJI2E/W1NidY9Xu-I/AAAAAAAACkQ/Zaz7F1442x83-qSaJukdYBZhd3sHOhmYwCLcBGAs/s1600/DSC02259.JPG)
Al at Askari is a real gent, he has excellent customer service so you won't go wrong there.
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Yes I've ordered from there before and always had good service.I have 2 concerns about Askari,one is that the poses are a little stiff and unnatural and two that they are brittle.Your figures look very good.
Mark
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Irregular Miniatures have some suitable figures
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I've started getting some Russians from Askari. They aren't that bad at all.
Mark
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Great looking army,I will have to get some of those Perrys.
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Yeah i'm getting them too.
Mark
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Just got this book. It's expensive but with so little info on this period I thought I would get it. https://www.amazon.com/Russian-Conquest-Central-Asia-Expansion/dp/1107030307/ref=sxts_sxwds-bia-wc-nc-drs1_0?crid=IBTDMOAJPDZV&cv_ct_cx=russian+conquest+of+central+asia&dchild=1&keywords=russian+conquest+of+central+asia&pd_rd_i=1107030307&pd_rd_r=8e8c8ffe-236e-4e24-b38c-d7b38c9c5ce0&pd_rd_w=YKm0w&pd_rd_wg=bLqbH&pf_rd_p=a64002b9-9c26-4361-b8a1-b0f5a4835670&pf_rd_r=21KDRG52H4AT7DZ5JP34&psc=1&qid=1612021390&sprefix=russian+conq%2Caps%2C161&sr=1-1-38d0a374-3318-4625-ad92-b6761a63ecf6
Mark
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This looks interesting. A little out of the timeline of this thread but still will be interesting. https://www.amazon.com/Central-Asian-Revolt-1916-collapsing/dp/1526129426/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
Mark
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I also bought this one a couple of months ago but haven't started it yet. I have so many books sometimes I don't know which one I want to start next. lol https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1108456111/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Mark
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I have that same problem, then I end up reading five books at the same time jumping back and forth.
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I'm surprised that no one has written a book in English about Mikhail Skobelov. One of Russia's top generals in latter part of the 19th century.
Mark
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Tiger Miniatures (Recreational Conflict in the US) has started making figures for Russian Central Asia. They have Russian Infantry, artillery and cavalry. Central Asians include Bokaran infantry, cavalry and militia as well as many other packs. (http://recreationalconflict.lusagi.com/tigerimages/russia/car05.jpg) (http://recreationalconflict.lusagi.com/tigerimages/tigercentralasia/ca20.jpg)
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Anyone know of a book that has the organization of the Russian colonial army in Central Asia from the 1860's-early 1900's? I saw it in a book once but I can't think of what it was.
Mark
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During the Seventies I had a booklet aimed at wargamers about every possible organisation, weapons ecc...of Colonial Armies from every nations included minor ones..it was probably from Ted Hebert..unfortunatly i've lost the battered photocopies ...i 'll try to find a copy again...i remenber some good infos on how to build a Colonial Russian Army in Central Asia..Furthermore there was also an article or two on Savage And Soldier magazine, another appeared in a old issue of Wargame Illustrated or Practical Wargame and a very first article on Wargame Newsletter..i'll have a look among my very messy files and paper archives
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Thanks,
I've been ordering a couple of volumes of Savage & Soldier a month.I'll have to check it out.
Mark
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The Savage and Soldier articles are actually online. http://www.savageandsoldier.com/articles/asia/CentralAsia.html
Mark
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Great thread fortuitously resurfaced as we delve into Russian incursions into the Northwest Frontier, or southeast as it may be, in the great game. Great collection of links and ideas here. The RI militia and the shirts leaves and havelocks from. Perry would work too.
Will Bailie's force looks grand. Love those cossacks.
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CPT Shanks, great find buddy, especially since we are in the process of building Russian forces for their incursions in the north heading dangerously close to Chitral. I think I will be ordering some outpost figures. I also like those RI figs, I think they look the part.
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Since my interest has be rekindled I just ordered the following books. :D
Mark
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Marco55, those look like awesome books! Do you have any books with color plates in them? I’m currently researching and building for a Russian force in Central Asia for THE SWORD AND THE FLAME games. I’ve started by buying packs of Askari Minis but think I’m going to add some other mfgr stuff as well.
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Actually Askari Miniatures has a painting guide available. https://askari-minis.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=42&products_id=114
Mark
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Some pics.https://en.topwar.ru/1833-zeravshanskij-poxod-1868-g-iz-istorii-zavoevaniya-turkestana.html
Mark
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https://askari-minis.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=382
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https://www.rbth.com/history/333823-how-russia-conquered-central-asia
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Might be of interest. https://history.army.mil/html/books/107/107-1/CMH_Pub_107-1.pdf
Mark
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Another. https://curve.carleton.ca/system/files/etd/e327dbea-987f-4dff-ba78-72c02318b460/etd_pdf/d71ffbad2695837c5573d0a1937783fe/eaton-theimpactoftherussianmilitarysystemonnineteenth.pdf
Mark
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Fantastic resources Marco. That's going to take some exploration. Have you developed any scenarios from these? Have you played any what is between Russians and British on the roof of the world?
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I'm not a gamer but I love miniatures and really like dioramas. I also like periods that you can't find much info in English like the Russians here, the Portuguese in Africa and the Dutch in the East Indies. I'm a glutton for punishment. :D lol
Mark
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Ahhh. Well said, guttons for punishment looking for obscure conflicts. Good stuff.
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Marco55, great links, thanks buddy. I’m currently painting some Askari Minis Russians for a game this coming Saturday. What are you working on at the moment?
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Well you saw my other thread but I still have some Russians but I don't think I will be pursuing that range. I also was in a kickstarter last year called the Savage Frontier. A FIW range set in winter. I was into the FIW period for a long time. They are suppose to come at the end of January. I've kind of lost interest in this period and truth be told I had an illness in the beginning of the year and also plan to retire in April or May this coming year so I've got to tighten the belt so to speak. So I guess I will be focusing on my Western Sudan project mostly.
Mark
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Here's a drawing from 1873 that might be of interest.
Mark
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I don't know if anybody is interested in boardgames but this is coming out in about a year. http://shop.strategyandtacticspress.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=ST338
Mark
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Great drawing Marco, thanks for sharing. We just played a wargame today with a Russian incursion into northern Afghanistan, 1890.
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That's great you will have to put some photos up. That drawing is up on ebay.
Mark
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Reading your posts too, I'm going to be convinced to start a new project using Askari. Has someone reviewed the army lists for TMWWBK ? Thanks in advance
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Giorgio I am not using the Theoretical Russian list in TMWWBK. For a couple of reasons. First I don't think it gives a good representation of the Russians that conquered central Asia classifying them as unenthusiastic and poor shots. I keep mine as Regular Infantry and make them fierce to encourage getting stuck in, use only one irregular cavalry recognizing their limited use in the mountains, then keep the well drilled gun, in my case the gatling
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Shank I agree. I don't know why Russian infantry should be unenthusiastic. ...and Your proposal is also cheaper ;) lol
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Reading your posts too, I'm going to be convinced to start a new project using Askari. Has someone reviewed the army lists for TMWWBK ? Thanks in advance
Hi Giorgio..wish you are fine..congrats for the NWF campaign and the intrigues :)..sorry if i disappeared...by the way the Askari Russians and Central Asian are my favourite..easy to paint and compatible with almost everything.. but it's so expensive to order them from Italy and then they are, in those days, invariably targeted by our customer office's extorsions ..sorry.."import taxes"...it seem easier and cheaper to recruit real tribesmen and cossacks than Askari castings :'(
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Hi Pier Paolo nice to hear from you! Why don't you enter some consideration/provocation in the NWF saga topic? Have you painted Askari Russians and Central Asia, approx how much P&P costs? I recommend to include in the list of books also Ian Health's Central Asia and the Himalayan Kingdoms (Armies of the Nineteenth Century: Asia)
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Hi
the cost of ordering Askari minis from Italy is very high ..even if you buy just one packet expect to pay something around 25/35 dollars for postage ..you could try to simulate by yourself by adding to the cart and calculate postage …you ll be shocked ..then, when the parcel get trough and reach Italy, custom officials will keep it for another week or two and ask you about 50 per cent of the value in taxes..which is really an extortion ..on the other hand the customer service from Askari is quick and very good ..I Ve just began to paint some central Asians..the Russians are good figures cause they didn’t wear, contrary to other manufactures, the clumsy blanket across the body ..by the way you can order cavalry/Cossacks from the excellent Outpost wargames in UK..they even produce on their Russo-Turkish War range some mounted and dismounted central Asian/Circassians ..compatible with Askari, OG, Foundry ecc..don’t forget Russian cavalry from the often neglected Redoubt miniatures ..sold singly and even without horses same as Outpost..they are from the Russo-Japanese range and contrary to other Redoubt ranges, perfectly compatible with Foundry, Askari , OG…in the near future I will also have a try with Tiger miniatures ..and I’ll post some picts
Last thought there is also a low budget quite interesting way to raise some Central Asian units :
You can order, as I did, some spare Central Asian tribesmen heads from Siberia Miniatures whose boss is a member of the forum and fix it to mounted or dismounted Gripping Beast cheaper plastic Arabs (adding muskets, scabbards ecc) ..the heads are compatible and absolutely beautiful ..the nice guy behind Siberia Miniatures, Cuprum , designed even different and detailed features for the headdress of various tribes and ethnic groups heads...
as soon as I’ll have time to recuperate my conversion attempts s
from wood box stored in my cellar I’ll post some picts.
I own that very book published by foundry from wich I came to a pair of less impressive conclusions:
- foot tribesmen were totally useless and saw very limited action
- in any case few or no real open battles took place if compared to some moderately bloody sieges. Mounted tribesmen were simply unwilling to fight and became elusive as soon as they met Cossack scout parties.
So, in my opinion, a period most suited for “what if” scenarios”
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Italwars thank you
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Tiger Miniatures in the UK has a new line of Central Asians and Russians for the period.
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Thanks, How do they dimension compare with others?
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I think they are pretty big.I don't know about Outpost's
Mark
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Another drawing from 1872 of Russians taking Samarkand in 1868.
Mark
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Just ordered this book.Might have some more info.
Mark
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One more.
Mark
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Mark, once your review the Foundry book please let me know if you think it’s worth it for my gaming needs. Thanks buddy.
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I will Jeff.I haven't received it yet. It's coming from the UK.
Mark
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The last book I posted is mostly during the Soviet period.
Mark
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In the first 2 paintings there are red flags for the Russians. The first painting looks like it had little yellow stars and in the 2nd one it looks like a unit designation pennon. Does anyone have an data as to what these are and what flags or pennon the Russians would of or may have carried with them?
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I've decided to sell my Russians as I want to continue my main project and I may have some Russians and Central Asians made at the smaller scale that I'm involved in right now. http://theminiaturespage.com/market/msg.mv?id=104928&page=1
Mark
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(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/p_syutkin/64914398/4061709/4061709_original.jpg)
Large: https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/p_syutkin/64914398/4061709/4061709_original.jpg
Khiva campaign in 1873. Ferry of the Turkestan detachment across the Amu Darya river (From the painting by N.N. Karazin)
(http://russian.eurasianet.org/sites/default/files/styles/article/public/images/russian/072517_0.jpg?itok=Ok_DReU4)
Large: https://russian.eurasianet.org/sites/default/files/styles/article/public/images/russian/072517_0.jpg?itok=Ok_DReU4
The entry of Russian troops into Samarkand on June 8, 1868 (painting by Nikolai Karazin)
(http://wiki.gcdn.co/images/e/ed/Хивинский_поход_1873_Каразин_1888.jpg)
Large: https://wiki.gcdn.co/images/e/ed/Хивинский_поход_1873_Каразин_1888.jpg
Khiva campaign in 1873. Through the dead sands to the Adam-Krylgan wells (Karazin N.N., 1888).
(http://api.artmeteo.com/media/cache/22/6f/226f217e4804eaf19de9ffaee01df169.jpg)
Large: https://api.artmeteo.com/media/cache/22/6f/226f217e4804eaf19de9ffaee01df169.jpg
They attack by surprise. 1871 (Vereshchagin V.V., 1888).
(http://b.radikal.ru/b14/2112/41/d8b8c7133cdd.jpg)
Large: http://b.radikal.ru/b14/2112/41/d8b8c7133cdd.jpg
The capture of Tashkent by General Chernyaev on June 16, 1865 (N.N. Karazin)
(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/nik_rasov/77824516/404868/404868_2000.jpg)
Large: https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/nik_rasov/77824516/404868/404868_2000.jpg
Storming Geok-Tepe (N. N. Karazin)
(http://roubaud.ru/sites/default/files/Img_main/198.jpg)
https://roubaud.ru/sites/default/files/Img_main/198.jpg
Taking of Geok-Tepe on January 12,1881 (F. Rubo. 1898)
(http://warspot-asset.s3.amazonaws.com/articles/pictures/000/015/929/source/skobelev04.jpg)
https://warspot-asset.s3.amazonaws.com/articles/pictures/000/015/929/source/skobelev04.jpg
Mikhail Skobelev during the Akhal-Teke expedition of 1880-1881. (Action of Lieutenant Sheman's naval battery. 1880)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Геок-Тепе_подготовка_к_штурму.jpg)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Геок-Тепе_подготовка_к_штурму.jpg
Reconnaissance of the area in front of the village of Yangi-Kala, December 18, 1880
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5Zv4slwz-bQ/VjlIv77jnkI/AAAAAAAAK50/dKxoNLoGQl8/s1600/1880%25D0%25A223.184.jpg)
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5Zv4slwz-bQ/VjlIv77jnkI/AAAAAAAAK50/dKxoNLoGQl8/s1600/1880%25D0%25A223.184.jpg
View of Geok-Tepe from the north during the assault on 28 August
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1LGFmfCKuq8/Vj30504pXSI/AAAAAAAALIU/M9uLoxX9yvQ/s1600/1880%25D0%25A224.051.jpg)
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1LGFmfCKuq8/Vj30504pXSI/AAAAAAAALIU/M9uLoxX9yvQ/s1600/1880%25D0%25A224.051.jpg
Protection of Doctor Studitsky by 12 Cossacks from the attack of 300 Turkmen horsemen (episode of the campaign against the Turkmen)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ehES8TSbBAw/Vi56j1uUkcI/AAAAAAAAKI0/6Ye74XthDoA/s1600/1879%25D0%25A222.068.jpg)
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ehES8TSbBAw/Vi56j1uUkcI/AAAAAAAAKI0/6Ye74XthDoA/s1600/1879%25D0%25A222.068.jpg
Expedition of the Akhal-Teke detachment against the Turkmen Teke - Representatives of the units that make up the expedition
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I've decided to sell my Russians as I want to continue my main project and I may have some Russians and Central Asians made at the smaller scale that I'm involved in right now. http://theminiaturespage.com/market/msg.mv?id=104928&page=1
Mark
Hello
if you could work out a very basic sending cost/option to Italy i could be interested...in case you can send me a PM
thanks
Pier
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Thanks Cuprum..as usual every info /source from you is a gold mine..
by the way...please are those sailors manning what seems to be a Machine Gun...maybe a Nordenfeldt?..
"Mikhail Skobelev during the Akhal-Teke expedition of 1880-1881. (Action of Lieutenant Sheman's naval battery. 1880)"
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The expeditionary corps under the command of General Skobelev was assigned a naval artillery detachment of Lieutenant Sheman, armed with two 44 mm Engström rapid-fire cannons and four rifle-caliber mitrailleuses. These were rare, one might even say unique, guns developed by DeWitt Clinton Farrington and were not used in battles anywhere except in Russia.
(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/vikond65/53941713/1426478/1426478_original.jpg)
(http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/15526/89540973.b7/0_129c4a_176e177f_XL.jpg)
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Cuprum,
The Russian Army had a special corps for operations in Central Asia.I had this information once but have now lost it.You don't have any information on the organization do you?
Mark
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In the first 2 paintings there are red flags for the Russians. The first painting looks like it had little yellow stars and in the 2nd one it looks like a unit designation pennon. Does anyone have an data as to what these are and what flags or pennon the Russians would of or may have carried with them?
I have no information on the banners of the Russian troops used in campaigns. I can assume, by analogy with the period of the First World War, that the "striped" flag is the flag of the army headquarters (in our case, the expedition).
The second flag depicts the personal flag of General Mikhail Skobelev, but this is how it looked, apparently, during the Russian-Turkish war. During the Akhal-Teke expedition, this flag looked different:
(http://www.tg-m.ru/catalog/sites/default/files/imagecache/pic_200x200/catalog/_10-znamya-skobeleva.jpg)
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I am not aware of any special corps. Each time for the next campaign, new detachments were formed. Here you need to talk about a specific campaign.
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Perhaps you are talking about "Turkestan line battalions"? But these are the usual garrison or territorial troops for Russia. Here is an article from Wikipedia about such battalions (automatic translation):
https://ru-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/%D0%9B%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B9%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B1%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BE%D0%BD?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru
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Again many thanks Cuprum! you're a real gentleman and a scientist to supply us all that great info and in so many fields..
among the plates you posted the black and white contemporary one is also very interesting...among the various troop types i noticed also, in the center, a figure (not an officer as he hold a rifle but maybe a cavaryman from his side sword scabbard)) that sport, instead of the képi type, the flat type hat with visor, and in that very case, with neckcloth..from what i was aware of that hat was adopted only from the Russo-Japanese War and up to WW1/RCW (and by NKV D troop types during WW2)...that's quite amazing for me as i thought that in 1879,with the exception maybe of some officers only the képi type hat covered with white cloth was in use...if we could also use for the Conquest Of Central Asia the same Russian figures of the Boxer Rebellion it'll of great help...at least for me that i already own some painted Russian white dressed infantry for the Boxer Rebellion...
many thanks for your precious advice.
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Perhaps you are talking about "Turkestan line battalions"? But these are the usual garrison or territorial troops for Russia. Here is an article from Wikipedia about such battalions (automatic translation):
https://ru-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/%D0%9B%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B9%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B1%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BE%D0%BD?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru
Yes I think these are what I was referring to.
Mark
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White caps were allowed to be used by officers and generals. Also, white caps were widely used by the Cossacks.
(http://i78.fastpic.ru/big/2016/0819/fa/23f0e343a36cdb1199ec5bc9b044ccfa.jpg)
(http://i77.fastpic.ru/big/2016/0819/05/2aa5dc94725a6fc0a1b4fc16c70ae605.jpg)
Three figures for the Central Asian campaigns - a soldier in the foreground and two officers on the right. One in a shirt, the other in a jacket. (In green uniforms - soldiers in the Caucasus)
(http://voenflot.ru/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Kazaki-704x1024.jpg)
Orenburg Cossacks in Central Asia 1860 - 1870. Officer and Cossack.
(http://mtdata.ru/u5/photoF0D0/20796229678-0/original.jpg)
Siberian Cossack
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Cuprum, thank you for that wealth of data and period paintings! I’d not seen several of those before.
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Great information Cuprum. Thank you for posting and explaining.
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I've also begun collecting and painting Russians for Central Asian campaigns and battles. You can see some of my initial efforts on my blog, ColCampbell's Barracks (http://ColCampbell's Barracks). So far all my Russians are Askari Miniatures.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qebmpoUzVAw/YaeYuh5dK9I/AAAAAAAAKbM/jn4BID_C-PcMOkZ1vm4mZhvPgqiEzaiwgCLcBGAsYHQ/s2400/8th_Siberian_Rifles_01.JPG)
Currently I am (slowly) working on a Krupp field gun and a Russian produced Gatling gun for my Russian forces as well as some British regulars. In the queue are some more Russians, Brits, Indians, and Pashtuns.
Jim
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They look very good but I think the pants should be red but then again soldiers always improvise. :)
Mark
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something about military operations and in English..even if dated could be found on line
a heavy PDF book with a few battle histories, description of Central Asian warriors and some few nice line drawings:
https://archive.org/details/campaigningonoxu00macg
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Thanks Pier. I found it in book form at Amazon and ordered it. Hard for me to read on the computer.
Mark
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Thanks Pier. I found it in book form at Amazon and ordered it. Hard for me to read on the computer.
Mark
hi you're welcome ...me too..i've spent more than 3 years in digitalising and scan all my archives and majority of my books, maps ecc and still not able to enjoy reading trough the PC...anyway still happy to be "old fashion" :-)
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Me too.Give me a book anyday.
Mark
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Me too! There’s just something about an old fashioned book. I too will be purchasing that book. Thank you for the recommendation!
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Make sure you get the one 504 pages. There's a soft cover edition but says it is only 136 pages.
Mark
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Mark, thank you for the heads up on the book.
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I got mine yesterday. :D
Mark
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Mark, I found 3 reprints, one had 504 pgs, 512 pgs, and another with 564 pgs. I think I’ll go with the one with the most pgs.
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I didn't see the one with 564 pgs.
Mark
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Of interest, https://archive.org/details/russiansatgateso00marvuoft/mode/2up
Mark
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Thanks Mark, very interesting indeed :-*
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Another online archive 1880s period book that may be of interest...1877-1878 Russian Army campaigns against Turkey, set a bit far west I know but the first 128 pages are general information about the Russian Army, tactics, weapons etc of the time, also features unit and overall army OOBs...
https://archive.org/details/russianarmyitsca00greeuoft (https://archive.org/details/russianarmyitsca00greeuoft)
So you can see a big group of Outpost figures here is my 1879 European Russian Army for a hypothetical campaign in the Antipodes...there are figures in their range that’d work for Central Asia, I much prefer these to the Askari brand with there Wallace and Gromit hands and sort of flat profile (there are 3 in the picture in the front row I got them as sample)...
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KLNtin8jbT0/WWFv-WZMyJI/AAAAAAAAAFY/d29ViVf40LEtzFvH2pbocIPMDDKj12SPgCLcBGAs/s1600/Russian%2BInfantry%2BFront%2B1.jpg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RwnR02uDpPQ/WWFwuhjtnoI/AAAAAAAAAFo/L6VH6__WLog9xzFYC6spPtDX5VMdjFvkgCEwYBhgL/s1600/Cossacks%2BFront%2B600.jpg)
Not exactly related but I started putting together my 1879 hypothetical Antipodean stuff back in 2014, believe it or not there were serious fears of a Russian Invasion at the time! Here’s the first of many posts on my blog...
https://captaindarlingsminiaturesemporium.blogspot.com/2014/10/ (https://captaindarlingsminiaturesemporium.blogspot.com/2014/10/)
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Thanks Captain.
Mark
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Thanks Mark :)
No additional work on these,they are the packs of Rhode Island militia from the Perry's :)
Cheers
Keith
Wow! Very nice
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Wow! Very nice
Cheers 👍
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Great stuff Capt Darling! I’ve been a big fan of your blog for quite some time.
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I've been getting some Russians made in 1/72(actually 22mm) .
Mark
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They look good.
3d printed? Scaleable??
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Yes 3-D.Making them the size of Massimo Costa's figures.
Mark.
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As someone who neither owns a printer nor likes plastic figures, I gotta ask, will these be available in metal? And are there plans to produce their opponents?
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As someone who neither owns a printer nor likes plastic figures, I gotta ask, will these be available in metal? And are there plans to produce their opponents?
I'm having these sculpted and made by someone in Sweden. I or he have no plans to do these in metal. I wish I could because i much prefer metal also.
Mark
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You can always outsource the mould-making and casting like many manufacturers, though I imagine that may be prohibitively expensive for a subject and scale this obscure. Or maybe consider some sort of deal with Hagen?
In any case, not my place to be dictating anything. Big thumbs up for having the cojones to commission this in the first place.
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Thanks.Yes it would be too expensive for me.Just getting them is sculpted is a lot. I hope to get a total of 12-15 poses of the Russians done.I hope to do some Central Asians too but I'm scared of what it will cost to get mounted ones done.
Mark
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Thanks.Yes it would be too expensive for me.Just getting them is sculpted is a lot. I hope to get a total of 12-15 poses of the Russians done.I hope to do some Central Asians too but I'm scared of what it will cost to get mounted ones done.
Mark
If you have done, as you said, in 1:72 you would'nt need the horses..just have produced the riders and, for appropriate mounts, there are plenty of cheap options in plastic from various sets such as Italeri, Strelets ecc ..a basic medieval or eastern type horse (saracens, mongols ecc..) would be Ok, at that scale, for Central Asian tribesmem
by the way..as you ll have done your minis "in Sweden" ..so i imagine they'll be produced in 3D by Speira..i guess , that afterwards, they ll be also available in 28mm?
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http://digitalsculpt.se/
Mark
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Okay, really stupid question, but have you considered asking Massimo Costa? I for one really love the dynamism of his poses. He used to accept commissions, so maybe it will be cheaper than the 3d route.
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Okay, really stupid question, but have you considered asking Massimo Costa? I for one really love the dynamism of his poses. He used to accept commissions, so maybe it will be cheaper than the 3d route.
I did.I had asked him about do some 1890's French officers and Senegalese Tirailluers but he is focusing on his Franco-Prussian line for now.I did have a couple of the French/Senegalese ones sculpted but switched to the Russians for now. Massimo's also are more 22mm than 20mm so I'm making them more that size.
Mark
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I did.I had asked him about do some 1890's French officers and Senegalese Tirailluers but he is focusing on his Franco-Prussian line for now.I did have a couple of the French/Senegalese ones sculpted but switched to the Russians for now. Massimo's also are more 22mm than 20mm so I'm making them more that size.
Mark
So you re converting your colonial wargame tastes toward 20mm/1:72?..not a bad idea at all..
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Yes I'm retiring next year and would like to play around with some dioramas and I think the smaller figures you can do more at that scale.I go on some sites like History in 1/72 and see the fantastic work they do.
Mark
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Some friends of mine clubbed together to have a small range of figures sculpted so they could print them. They pooled their cash, splitting the cost. Not a kickstarter, just a group with the same limited aim.
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I tried that to get a range going for the Aceh War in the Dutch East Indies and 1 guy commissioned one and that was it.
Mark
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Here's the difference between the 1/72 and 22mm I had done. I'll be using the 22mm to match Masimo Costa's figures I'll be using.
Mark
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I did.I had asked him about do some 1890's French officers and Senegalese Tirailluers but he is focusing on his Franco-Prussian line for now.I did have a couple of the French/Senegalese ones sculpted but switched to the Russians for now. Massimo's also are more 22mm than 20mm so I'm making them more that size.
Mark
Good to know you have already explored that avenue! The French colonials done by Massimo sound amazing. Did he turn you down outright, or will they eventually get made once he's done with the FPW stuff?
Another 20mm maker who accepts commissions is Elhiem, who will also cast the figures in metal. In recent years he has switched completely to digital sculpting, which means the sculpts tend to be more slender than other companies'. Folks have banded together to get an entire range sculpted. Again, only trying to be helpful. I most certainly don't mean to come across as a busybody.
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Here's the difference between the 1/72 and 22mm I had done. I'll be using the 22mm to match Masimo Costa's figures I'll be using.
Mark
Looking good! But what is he though, a Turkoman tribesman? I don't know anything about the period but wholly approve of your spending your money this way.
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No he's a Senegalese tirailluer.
Mark
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Here's another one.
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Good to know you have already explored that avenue! The French colonials done by Massimo sound amazing. Did he turn you down outright, or will they eventually get made once he's done with the FPW stuff?
Another 20mm maker who accepts commissions is Elhiem, who will also cast the figures in metal. In recent years he has switched completely to digital sculpting, which means the sculpts tend to be more slender than other companies'. Folks have banded together to get an entire range sculpted. Again, only trying to be helpful. I most certainly don't mean to come across as a busybody.
No I don't think your a busybody at all.I appreciate any advice.
Mark
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No he's a Senegalese tirailluer.
Mark
Maybe I’m wrong but I think the configuration of the back straps is not the right one for the lebel pouches
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No he's a Senegalese tirailluer.
Mark
Holy shit, I knew I'd be off the mark, but didn't expect to be this far off. Haha.
Again, good luck with the venture, and thank you for enriching our hobby.
I wonder what other subjects you have in store for commissioning?
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Maybe I’m wrong but I think the configuration of the back straps is not the right one for the lebel pouches
You may be right.
Mark
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those are some reliable plates ..the back straps are "Y" shaped and another common feature was an additional or a single pouch on the back..and, as an alternative, no straps at all..as i've seen in quite a few picts and plates..the equipment carried was minimal as their wives were employed as cooks, housekeepers and, in campaign, also as porters ;) :D
another feature was the "Serrual" pants..well under knee lenght or at ankle lenght for the tirailleurs belonging to the camel sections and just under the knees for the rest..in your rendering they are, in my opinion, too much above the knee and not sufficiently puffing..on the other hand the headgear "chéchia" is very well done..the first one that i see which has been done correctly in a miniature..one last feature that, in my opinion, should be represented, at least in some subjects, is the "coupe coupe" panga type broad knife that every tirailleur used even in battle and was proud of it..it was officialy distributed with his big scabbard in 1989 but was in use also before.
an. very LAST, the designer also forgot to sculpt another essential feature which is the red sash under the bel...just my opionion but i don t agree if somebody told me that it was nt used on campaign but only in parades..simply because it was an essential item in african costumes and above all to protect stomach, reins ecc..during cold and disentery..and above all how can you play wargame or make dioramas without the most iconic details of your choosed subjects? ;) :)
OK sorry really out of topic..i ll stop now
https://www.passionmilitaria.com/t39307-le-coupe-coupe-du-tirailleur-senegalais
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Some more
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contrary to images..the tirailleurs in action did nt wear neither gaiters, shoes or sandals...in my opinion the picts with shoes represented just experimental attempts or posed picts..or the parade at Champs Elysées of Marchand Expedition...i read that in some very few campaigns that gaiters were sometime used to protect ankles and calves from thorns ..but bare feet with gaiters are nt very nice to see and paint in a miniature
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https://www.warflag.com/shadow/uniforms/senguniform.htm
Mark
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thanks Marco..i know those plates..in my opinion the most useful (and only) figure for the period you choosed to represent (Fights against Samori, French Soudan and also Cote d'Ivoire even Tchad) is the "Tirailleur and Officer in White Campaign Pants 1890" and precisly the guy with the rifle at rest, with sash, minimal equipment...puffy pants slightly under the knee.in my opinion not even sandals...avoid of course the backpack..as unfortunatly Eureka miniatures provided on his 28mm tirailleurs..i read on a French contemporary book that on one occasion that a French officer ordered to his tirailleurs to carry their packs, ammo reserves, water, goodies ecc..it was answered by his soldiers almost rioting "no we are soldiers that s a duty for slaves not fo us" :)..the warrior races (bambara for ex.) among which were recruited the tirailleurs were very devoted to their leaders but quite individualistic and almost lofty..that 's the reason why i have about 40 of them (Reviresco miniatures in 28mm ) and they also are my favourite colonial troops to represent on the tabletop :) ;)
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I had the Reviresco when I was collecting 28mm.I'm mostly going for the "look" than accuracy as there are just no Senegalese in 1/72.It's just for fun to make a diorama when I retire. Same with the Russians.
Mark
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Here's a couple more I had sculpted.I like the poses but I told the sculptor that I think the tunic is too puffy and too long between the belt and the knees.I think these are suppose to be summer tunics not a coat.Comments,opinion's suggestions are appreciated.
Mark
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Marco, you are most correct sir! In all the paintings and drawings I’ve seen the Russian Gimnasterka was definitely shorter than those modeled on those 1/72 scale figs.
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Mid thigh and thinner fabric. It is a shirt and not a coat as you say. Otherwise great figure.
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Yes even on the Senegalese I had done the tunic looks more like a coat.I will correct him on any future figures.
Mark
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Here are the 5 figures I have had done so far. I talked to the sculptor about the tunic being too thick. He tried to thin it but didn't have much success. I may have to stop the project as the tunic looks too much like a coat.
Mark
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I think these are better. Only a little thicker now and that may resolve itself when painted.
Have you printed any test samples to see how they look painted?
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Reply #100 has some painted ones but with the old sculpts.I haven't got any from him yet.He says it's very hard to get the fabric thinner.Maybe because the figure is a 1/72? I don't know anything about 3-D printing maybe it depends on the printer.
Mark
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It probably is down to the difficulty of making the fabric look thin enough - looking at these from Esci - the shirt is as thick as the jacket, so you're not alone.
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/SetScans/ESC237c.jpg (http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/SetScans/ESC237c.jpg)
However they went to market with the figures, so perhaps it's less of an issue than you think, especially in that scale.
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Maybe they would look better to me at actual scale.The bigger the picture the more imperfections you see.
Mark
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Mark, please don’t stop the project! These look great, and in 1/72 scale will be perfect!! I honestly believe they will look awesome painted up
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I have decided to continue so hopefully I will get 15-20 figures done eventually.
Mark
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This is the first 5 finished.I think they look pretty good. I will get another bunch started in about a month.
Mark
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I'm actually getting these made in 20mm not 22mm as I won't be using Massimo's figures for this group.I bought some Turkomen and Afghans off Newline Designs. I may have a few Central Asians done after the Russians.
Mark
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I received my figures but as nice as they were they didn't fit in with the figures I have.So I asked my sculptor to make me some 22mm.
Mark
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Keep us posted!
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I will.
Mark
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Mark, I really like the designs, I think they look awesome!!!! I can’t wait to see them cast / printed and painted up.
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These are really get nice. I have wanted a good set of colonial Russians for ever..Are these going to be produced digitally? If so, scaling down to 15/18mms would be easy enough.
John
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These are for my personal use.I don't think they are going to sell these commercially. I wish they would.
Mark
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These are for my personal use.I don't think they are going to sell these commercially. I wish they would.
Mark
Excuse my ignorance of the 3D printing world, but once someone has done the sculpt, why on earth would they not market the figures, at least selling the files if not doing the printing themselves?
I see many people selling STL files of 3D-printable stuff for download on Etsy.
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I got this fort for my project. Now I have to get it painted. :D
Mark
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I just received another one from Colonial Steamboat Co.It's a little different than the one pictured below. I'll snap a pic of it when I get a chance.
Mark
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Compliments, both are beautiful.
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Thank you.
Mark
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Nice....
Colonial steamboat do have some good stuff...the village is good too.
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Marco... isn't that the 18mm Blue Moon Afghan/NWF fort from a while back??? I remember first seeing it and being very excited... until it turned out they were only producing it in that smaller scale and not in 25/28mm. Sigh. I just tried searching for it with no luck. Is it no longer available for sale, even in 18mm?
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Marco... isn't that the 18mm Blue Moon Afghan/NWF fort from a while back??? I remember first seeing it and being very excited... until it turned out they were only producing it in that smaller scale and not in 25/28mm. Sigh. I just tried searching for it with no luck. Is it no longer available for sale, even in 18mm?
This is 28mm.I got this from Old Glory. They don't have it on their website as there is a problem with their site that everything that goes on it factors in that
discount they have and this don't qualify for the discount. If you email them they will get you one. This is big it's more than 2' across. I'll take some pics with figures this weekend.
Mark
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Here's a couple new sculpts,not completed yet.
Mark
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Mark, those are some great looking forts. Please do send a pic of the new colonial steamboat model. I’ve tried to contact him for a piece but never received any replies so gave up. I have lots of his models I got years ago.
Here’s a pic with some of his models in one of my games.
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lOIsvY2BIFI/W3XtKRyjULI/AAAAAAAACic/nq4ms23yYEQIX2AZHtSaMMaf80xWrkOrwCLcBGAs/s1600/Under%2Bfire%2B-%2BCite%2Bde%2Bla%2BMeers.jpg)
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-INzeu2FXiQc/WWGIGjPjCnI/AAAAAAAAB2w/rj_00jrncawHpzhK_1LgTZ1473BUB2c6gCLcBGAs/s1600/Mogadir%2Bscan.png)
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If your talking about Colonial Steamboat you have to message him on FB. Your setup looks great.
Mark
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The stockade #150 is from Old Glory.
I don't have any steamboats.
Mark
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Here are the 5 figures I have had done so far. I talked to the sculptor about the tunic being too thick. He tried to thin it but didn't have much success. I may have to stop the project as the tunic looks too much like a coat.
Mark
I think the trick would be to make the wrinkles at the elbow and armpit smaller and have more of them, like a thin material crinkles.
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I'll say something to the sculptor. Thanks for the tip.
Mark
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Mark, understood buddy, I’m not on FB. Thank you for the tip.
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Here are 3 more done. Comments welcome.
Mark
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Mark, those new figs look awesome.
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Does anyone have a good picture of a Central Asian Leader/General from the 1860's-70's?
Mark
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Will this guy work?
The Emir of Bukhara, Alim Khan (1880-1944)
(https://i.postimg.cc/q7YgNPSh/Khan-Central-Asia-Alim-Khan-Emir-of-Bukhara.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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You want a signed one lol lol
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Will this guy work?
The Emir of Bukhara, Alim Khan (1880-1944)
(https://i.postimg.cc/q7YgNPSh/Khan-Central-Asia-Alim-Khan-Emir-of-Bukhara.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
I need more of a general type. This guy would cost double to sculpt. lol lol lol
Mark
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Here's a couple of group photos from which you and/or your sculptor may be able to create a more "general type":
(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhg5SMAXjmUZplGfNdeiZrw5ZgM9QcQ2v859HKRBM0yQIqFlYYwGcWHjODc4rXwcPpGjBHwLm8VZcWSjcOoNDwMFb49LNZIKDPQrq4mKeMotJ4nalUUonVp6ZemE06RfAg4YTh6hThMDE7TW995o0WvkigKMWA_mlsFuMHaZ_gpcZI1PHYvSQYNuVJBUg/s600/600px-Representatives_of_the_Khanate_of_Khiva_at_the_coronation_of_Nicholas_II.jpg)
(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg41k9sz29DXZyFhZ516VTS_u_MU4XG89aqR8rD2NhfxTxzbTPwgPhAIWIno5tthm1_fX4rKU48RYbuAiww10eizYYNlYA9IXnd3n4PfVDjloNqts21xkNmWvMBEuiuZjRulW54GoWPEk-4V9h0aUsZZdaC_PHA1nAX9u1NcgWIxl_wN-Y7bljpG2_3xw/s1652/Central%20Asian%20emir.jpg)
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The Russians fought with three Central Asian states: the Khiva Khanate, the Kokand Khanate and the Emirate of Bukhara. Of these states, only the Emirate of Bukhara had a regular army (which had an established uniform), the rest had only tribal militias. All militias wore a paramilitary national costume, and each tribe had its own characteristics in the costume. So these points must be taken into account if you want to create a more or less reliable army of one of the Central Asian states.
I definitely recommend purchasing the book: Central Asia and the Himalayan Kingdoms (Armies of the Nineteenth Century: Asia) by Ian Heath. There is a relatively good description of the organization of the Central Asian armies. Though not without errors.
Illustrations from this book:
Bokhara
http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039164_16.png
http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/imgs/imp1467038773_1.png
http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467038821_2.png
http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467038845_3.png
Khiva
http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039218_18.png
http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467038960_8_1.png
http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467038988_9_1.png
Khokand
http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039243_19.png
http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039017_10.png
http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039044_11.png
Kazakh
http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039263_20.png
http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039068_12_1.png
http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039091_13.png
Turcoman
http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039286_21.png
http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039115_14_1.png
http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039141_15_1.png
I also recommend that you familiarize yourself with the paintings of the Russian artist Vereshchagin, who participated in one of the Central Asian campaigns of the Russian army. In his paintings you will see these armies in color.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?14566-Vasily-Vereschagin-Turkestan-Cycle
I produce figurines of Central Asian tribal warriors for the period of the Civil War in Russia (Basmachi). By replacing heads, you can get warriors from different tribes. But you will have to convert weapons to an earlier one in order to get figures suitable for this period (which, in my opinion, is not so difficult).
http://siberia-miniatures.ru/index.php?cPath=41_39_51_156
(http://rataku.com/images/2022/08/12/BasmachiDSCN0023-7.jpg)
(http://rataku.com/images/2022/08/12/2BasmachiDSCN0023-4.jpg)
(http://rataku.com/images/2022/08/12/untitled.png)
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Your figures look good but my figures are 22mm.
Mark
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The Russians fought with three Central Asian states: the Khiva Khanate, the Kokand Khanate and the Emirate of Bukhara. Of these states, only the Emirate of Bukhara had a regular army (which had an established uniform), the rest had only tribal militias. All militias wore a paramilitary national costume, and each tribe had its own characteristics in the costume. So these points must be taken into account if you want to create a more or less reliable army of one of the Central Asian states.
I definitely recommend purchasing the book: Central Asia and the Himalayan Kingdoms (Armies of the Nineteenth Century: Asia) by Ian Heath. There is a relatively good description of the organization of the Central Asian armies. Though not without errors.
Illustrations from this book:
Bokhara
http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039164_16.png
http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/imgs/imp1467038773_1.png
http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467038821_2.png
http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467038845_3.png
Khiva
http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039218_18.png
http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467038960_8_1.png
http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467038988_9_1.png
Khokand
http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039243_19.png
http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039017_10.png
http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039044_11.png
Kazakh
http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039263_20.png
http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039068_12_1.png
http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039091_13.png
Turcoman
http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039286_21.png
http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039115_14_1.png
http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039141_15_1.png
I also recommend that you familiarize yourself with the paintings of the Russian artist Vereshchagin, who participated in one of the Central Asian campaigns of the Russian army. In his paintings you will see these armies in color.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?14566-Vasily-Vereschagin-Turkestan-Cycle
I produce figurines of Central Asian tribal warriors for the period of the Civil War in Russia (Basmachi). By replacing heads, you can get warriors from different tribes. But you will have to convert weapons to an earlier one in order to get figures suitable for this period (which, in my opinion, is not so difficult).
http://siberia-miniatures.ru/index.php?cPath=41_39_51_156
(http://rataku.com/images/2022/08/12/BasmachiDSCN0023-7.jpg)
(http://rataku.com/images/2022/08/12/2BasmachiDSCN0023-4.jpg)
(http://rataku.com/images/2022/08/12/untitled.png)
Are your figures more 28mm or 25mm?
Mark
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28 mm
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ok thanks.
Mark
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What did officers like Kaufmann and Skobelev wear in the way of uniforms on campaign? Did they wear their medals? Here is a rough look of both officers I'm having done.Honest opinions please.
Mark
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Overall, very nice renders. Things to consider: the belts look a bit too thin to my eye. The beard too abrupt. As if the hair on the edge is coming out at a 90 degree angle. Facial hair on the cheeks is usually at an acute angle. almost parallel to the skin.
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Of course, Russian senior officers did not use a full dress uniform on a campaign. These images will give you an idea of the Russian officer uniform on the campaign:
(http://rataku.com/images/2022/08/25/IMG_8992.jpg)
(http://rataku.com/images/2022/08/25/b86f57f7.png)
(http://cdn.fishki.net/upload/post/2017/08/20/2361469/2aa5dc94725a6fc0a1b4fc16c70ae605.jpg)
Only figures in red pants belong to the Central Asian campaigns
(http://rhodemarkov.ru/images/all/0000001243.jpg)
(http://rataku.com/images/2022/08/25/i.jpg)
A very noticeable mistake of the sculptor is the officer's double-breasted uniform (two vertical rows of buttons on the chest). The uniform on the chest deeply overlaps one part on the other (two layers of fabric are obtained, one above the other). The junction of the uniform cannot spread like that in different directions, leaving a gap.
I don't know if I was able to make my point clearly.
No awards are worn on a campaign. Award weapons can be used.
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I got this fort for my project. Now I have to get it painted. :D
Mark
where did you get this?
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Of course, Russian senior officers did not use a full dress uniform on a campaign. These images will give you an idea of the Russian officer uniform on the campaign:
(http://rataku.com/images/2022/08/25/IMG_8992.jpg)
(http://rataku.com/images/2022/08/25/b86f57f7.png)
(http://cdn.fishki.net/upload/post/2017/08/20/2361469/2aa5dc94725a6fc0a1b4fc16c70ae605.jpg)
Only figures in red pants belong to the Central Asian campaigns
(http://rhodemarkov.ru/images/all/0000001243.jpg)
(http://rataku.com/images/2022/08/25/i.jpg)
A very noticeable mistake of the sculptor is the officer's double-breasted uniform (two vertical rows of buttons on the chest). The uniform on the chest deeply overlaps one part on the other (two layers of fabric are obtained, one above the other). The junction of the uniform cannot spread like that in different directions, leaving a gap.
I don't know if I was able to make my point clearly.
No awards are worn on a campaign. Award weapons can be used.
Are you saying it should be 2 rows of buttons?
Mark
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Of course, Russian senior officers did not use a full dress uniform on a campaign. These images will give you an idea of the Russian officer uniform on the campaign:
Even senior officers like Slobelev and Kaufmann?
Mark
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Very nice picts...and i think the figures are absolutly fine
don't want to hijack the thread but my thoughts are also appropriate to the topic.
It's about the cavaly uniforms that we can see on the two colour plates depicting a Russian mounted column with local guides
..i suppose they are cossacks..maybe Don cossacks or similar..i imagine that depicting them in white summer blouse like the infantry should be correct for that theater..but what about the trousers?..from distance we can detect troopers in dark (green?), blue and red trousers of the infantry type..which is historically correct colour for cavalry in Central Asian ?.
Furthemore..some , many, are provided with lances..other not..maybe the Cossack/Cavalry Russian units in Central Asia were organised similarly to some western European ones with first rank (or a single squadron por reg.) with lances and the other only sword and carbine?..the beautiful 28mm Outpost cossacks for the Russo-Turkish War are provided in both versions...maybe such experts like our Russian friend Cuprum could hep us?
thanks in advance
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Trousers for cavalrymen and officers are green. But this fabric gave a blue tint in the sun and could, under certain lighting conditions, appear blue. Blue is color distortion.
It must be understood that the Russian field army almost did not participate in these campaigns (with the rare exception of two battalions seconded from the Caucasian army during one of the campaigns and some special units, such as a naval battery of mitrailleuses). Local (internal) troops were always used - line and rifle battalions. These are troops that usually carry out security and guard duty in a certain area. The cavalry consisted exclusively of Cossacks (irregular formations). Artillery was mostly Cossack or garrison artillery. The vast majority of the Cossacks were from the Orenburg and Siberian troops (districts). Three regiments of the Kuban Cossack army took part in some campaigns. Line infantry battalions were also from the Orenburg and Siberian districts (territories of Russia bordering the Central Asian states).
For actions in Central Asia, a special white uniform was developed. It was based on a white linen soldier's gymnastic shirt (originally used for sports), replacing the usual uniform unsuitable for a hot climate. Initially, the same white trousers were made for her, but they were quickly replaced with local trousers made of red suede leather. These trousers were well protected from snake bites and poisonous insects. White covers were put on headdresses, later they were generally made of white fabric. On cold nights, soldiers wore over an ordinary overcoat, which was busy in the wagon train during the day.
Officers, both in the cavalry and in the infantry, wore a white linen tunic, a cap with a white cover. Pants are green. But often, on their own initiative, officers could wear a soldier's shirt with officer epaulettes and red leather pants. This is more convenient and does not attract excessive attention of the enemy.
The Cossacks are an irregular army. They are uniformed at their own expense according to the samples prescribed by them. Therefore, quite large liberties are allowed in their uniforms.
The distinguishing feature of the Siberian Cossacks was gazyri on the chest (special “bandoliers” sewn on shirts). The Orenburg Cossacks had a blue undershirt, the Siberian Cossacks had a green one. Pants could be either uniform (green with stripes), or white or red leather.
(http://voenflot.ru/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Kazaki-704x1024.jpg)
Orenburg Cossacks in Central Asia 1860 - 1870. Officer and Cossack.
(http://mtdata.ru/u9/photo39EB/20127011131-0/original.jpg#20127011131)
Orenburg Cossack in cold weather.
(http://mtdata.ru/u5/photoF0D0/20796229678-0/original.jpg#20796229678)
Siberian Cossack
According to the recollections of eyewitnesses, the Cossacks sought to get rid of their lances at the first opportunity. But, probably, the Cossacks from the generals' personal escort could continue to use them - apparently for a spectacular look.
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Trousers for cavalrymen and officers are green. But this fabric gave a blue tint in the sun and could, under certain lighting conditions, appear blue. Blue is color distortion.
It must be understood that the Russian field army almost did not participate in these campaigns (with the rare exception of two battalions seconded from the Caucasian army during one of the campaigns and some special units, such as a naval battery of mitrailleuses). Local (internal) troops were always used - line and rifle battalions. These are troops that usually carry out security and guard duty in a certain area. The cavalry consisted exclusively of Cossacks (irregular formations). Artillery was mostly Cossack or garrison artillery. The vast majority of the Cossacks were from the Orenburg and Siberian troops (districts). Three regiments of the Kuban Cossack army took part in some campaigns. Line infantry battalions were also from the Orenburg and Siberian districts (territories of Russia bordering the Central Asian states).
For actions in Central Asia, a special white uniform was developed. It was based on a white linen soldier's gymnastic shirt (originally used for sports), replacing the usual uniform unsuitable for a hot climate. Initially, the same white trousers were made for her, but they were quickly replaced with local trousers made of red suede leather. These trousers were well protected from snake bites and poisonous insects. White covers were put on headdresses, later they were generally made of white fabric. On cold nights, soldiers wore over an ordinary overcoat, which was busy in the wagon train during the day.
Officers, both in the cavalry and in the infantry, wore a white linen tunic, a cap with a white cover. Pants are green. But often, on their own initiative, officers could wear a soldier's shirt with officer epaulettes and red leather pants. This is more convenient and does not attract excessive attention of the enemy.
The Cossacks are an irregular army. They are uniformed at their own expense according to the samples prescribed by them. Therefore, quite large liberties are allowed in their uniforms.
The distinguishing feature of the Siberian Cossacks was gazyri on the chest (special “bandoliers” sewn on shirts). The Orenburg Cossacks had a blue undershirt, the Siberian Cossacks had a green one. Pants could be either uniform (green with stripes), or white or red leather.
(http://voenflot.ru/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Kazaki-704x1024.jpg)
Orenburg Cossacks in Central Asia 1860 - 1870. Officer and Cossack.
(http://mtdata.ru/u9/photo39EB/20127011131-0/original.jpg#20127011131)
Orenburg Cossack in cold weather.
(http://mtdata.ru/u5/photoF0D0/20796229678-0/original.jpg#20796229678)
Siberian Cossack
According to the recollections of eyewitnesses, the Cossacks sought to get rid of their lances at the first opportunity. But, probably, the Cossacks from the generals' personal escort could continue to use them - apparently for a spectacular look.
Thank you for all the info you have supplied.
Mark
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Always happy to help.
I forgot to mention - soldiers from the line battalions of the Oreburg province wore blue shoulder straps with a battalion number, from Siberia - red shoulder straps.
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Thanks very much...as always very kind to help us and a great source of infos :)
happy that, according to your excellent infos, i'll be able to diferentiate my cavalry from infantry unifom as concern trousers and that i'll not be forced to equip all my mounted men with lance...which, i don't know why, but i find out of place in my colonial games
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It's just a game and toy soldiers :)
You can create and use whatever you want in your game.
I'm just sharing information about what really happened - I think it's just interesting ;)
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Yes of course it's just a game...but wargamers are sort of nerds (i'm talking about mysel of course ;) with the obsession of historically accuracy or , to be honest, the illusion to reach it :) ;)
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It's just a game and toy soldiers :)
You can create and use whatever you want in your game.
I'm just sharing information about what really happened - I think it's just interesting ;)
Part of the fun for me is trying to find info in English. There is so much out there but not in English.Most people don't even know that other countries besides Britain and the US had these colonial wars.
Mark
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This is going to be the final rendition of Skobelev. I know the clothes are a more than what they probably wore on campaign but I just wanted to show senior officers dressed a little better.
Mark
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Trousers for cavalrymen and officers are green. But this fabric gave a blue tint in the sun and could, under certain lighting conditions, appear blue. Blue is color distortion.
It must be understood that the Russian field army almost did not participate in these campaigns (with the rare exception of two battalions seconded from the Caucasian army during one of the campaigns and some special units, such as a naval battery of mitrailleuses). Local (internal) troops were always used - line and rifle battalions. These are troops that usually carry out security and guard duty in a certain area. The cavalry consisted exclusively of Cossacks (irregular formations). Artillery was mostly Cossack or garrison artillery. The vast majority of the Cossacks were from the Orenburg and Siberian troops (districts). Three regiments of the Kuban Cossack army took part in some campaigns. Line infantry battalions were also from the Orenburg and Siberian districts (territories of Russia bordering the Central Asian states).
For actions in Central Asia, a special white uniform was developed. It was based on a white linen soldier's gymnastic shirt (originally used for sports), replacing the usual uniform unsuitable for a hot climate. Initially, the same white trousers were made for her, but they were quickly replaced with local trousers made of red suede leather. These trousers were well protected from snake bites and poisonous insects. White covers were put on headdresses, later they were generally made of white fabric. On cold nights, soldiers wore over an ordinary overcoat, which was busy in the wagon train during the day.
Officers, both in the cavalry and in the infantry, wore a white linen tunic, a cap with a white cover. Pants are green. But often, on their own initiative, officers could wear a soldier's shirt with officer epaulettes and red leather pants. This is more convenient and does not attract excessive attention of the enemy.
The Cossacks are an irregular army. They are uniformed at their own expense according to the samples prescribed by them. Therefore, quite large liberties are allowed in their uniforms.
The distinguishing feature of the Siberian Cossacks was gazyri on the chest (special “bandoliers” sewn on shirts). The Orenburg Cossacks had a blue undershirt, the Siberian Cossacks had a green one. Pants could be either uniform (green with stripes), or white or red leather.
(http://voenflot.ru/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Kazaki-704x1024.jpg)
Orenburg Cossacks in Central Asia 1860 - 1870. Officer and Cossack.
(http://mtdata.ru/u9/photo39EB/20127011131-0/original.jpg#20127011131)
Orenburg Cossack in cold weather.
(http://mtdata.ru/u5/photoF0D0/20796229678-0/original.jpg#20796229678)
Siberian Cossack
According to the recollections of eyewitnesses, the Cossacks sought to get rid of their lances at the first opportunity. But, probably, the Cossacks from the generals' personal escort could continue to use them - apparently for a spectacular look.
Cuprum,
Since I decided to go for a more formal uniform for Kaufman and Skobelev what color would they be?
Mark
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Sorry I didn't see your question earlier.
In this case, it will be the usual general general uniform, approximately the same (I mean the color of the uniform - mind you, it's actually a dark green color, gray-blue trousers with red stripes) as during the Russian-Turkish war.
(http://libmir.com/i/84/282684/_12.jpg)
(http://buyabook.ru/wa-data/public/shop/products/66/34/3466/images/3927/3927.750x0.jpg)
(http://tn.fishki.net/26/upload/post/2019/09/06/3078257/1-20.jpg)
(http://s1.1zoom.ru/big0/323/Men_Horses_The_135th_Anniversary_of_the_End_of_the_515148_767x1024.jpg)
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Thanks. You always come through for me.
Mark
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I have Mollo's book on Imperial Russian Army Uniforms, and was curious if there are any other books or articles that have info on Russian colonial uniforms/dress in Central Asia anyone could recommend...
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Just received this book has some very nice color photos in it. No pictures of of Central Asian uniforms though. Some of your best pics are right on this thread.
Mark
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I have my Russians out to be painted but my painter is jammed up so it looks like it will be a while.
Mark
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Mark, please do post them when you get them back, I'm very interested in seeing them painted.
Cheers,
JB
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So am I! lol
Mark
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Just received my issue of Strategy & Tactics 338. ;D :D
Mark
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Mark, please let me know if it’s worth purchasing? Any maps, OOB’s, etc. ?
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I only flipped through and I think I saw a map maybe partial but I'll check more tonight. You can always buy just the magazine for $9.99 plus postage. https://shop.strategyandtacticspress.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=ST338M
Mark
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https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/349741/russian-boots-south-conquest-central-asia
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Mark, please let me know if it’s worth purchasing? Any maps, OOB’s, etc. ?
There are 4 maps one showing Central Asia 1830,another the fall of Khiva ,the campaign and storming of Geok Tepe 1881, and one showing the construction of the Trans-Caspian RR 1880-1888, Nothing spectacular. No OOB's
Mark
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i understand that, in the western world, only scant information is available about those campaigns but it's better that nothing. I don't know how other gamers see it but i always considered boardames only useful as basis for miniature table top encounters (which is a very good time saver) and, in view of that, this very boardgame, with a turn equivalent to a month and an exe to 90km circa, would be quite interesting despite his price.
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Since I am very interested in these campaigns that's why I got this game.
Mark
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My figures painted.
Mark
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I had a few French/Senegalese done also.
Mark
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The game in S&T 338 is getting some good positive reviews on BGG. https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/349741/russian-boots-south-conquest-central-asia/ratings
Mark
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Marco 55 have you listened to following podcast? Lions Led by Donkeys just did a brutally hilarious podcast about that. Episode 230 — The Khivan Expedition of 1839.
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I couldn't find it.
Mark
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Mark, those look great! Thanks for posting them.
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Yes I'm quite happy with them. I'm going to get more sculpted.
Mark
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Marco 55 have you listened to following podcast? Lions Led by Donkeys just did a brutally hilarious podcast about that. Episode 230 — The Khivan Expedition of 1839.
Found it. :D
Mark
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I got this fort for my project. Now I have to get it painted. :D
Mark
I have decided to sell this fort as it's just too big for my needs. Check out details on my For Sale thread. https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=138636.new#new
Mark
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The fort is sold.
Mark
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Starting to get some more Russians sculpted. Get a few more done and then some more French/Senegalese. Then some Central Asians.
Mark
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Outstanding! Looking forward to the central Asians. I wonder if they could be upsized for 28mm?
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Probably. I upped mine from 20 to 22. It's done on a 3-D printer.
Mark
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I think the sculptor is proud of these. He has put them on his website and has plans on selling them. https://digitalsculpt.se/workbence/
Mark
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Outstanding! Looking forward to the central Asians. I wonder if they could be upsized for 28mm?
the problem of 3D minis used for wargames alongside classical lead castings is that 3D resin minis are conceived for display or modelling so they tend to be slender, they are realistic in size..which is not the case of our colonial minis such as Askari or OG which are more heroic as concern proportions..i find it difficult, from past experience, to have the seller print the minis in the scale i needed..possibly this is an issue only for 28mm..the 1/72 minis such as those shown by Marco looks good even if "absolutly realistic" :-)..i have some 1/72 minis for Indochine War 1946-54 and they look good even if mixed with metal or plastic other ranges.
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He said someone from Italy was wanting to buy some. Was it you?
Mark
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Indirectly cause I pointed the site to a friend :)..but I would have, possibly, a try with some French officers..but as said it’s difficult to decide the proportions
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I want to do some more French and Senegalese but I do have some of Massimo Costa's Algerian Turcos that could be painted like Senegalese. I need more French Officers and some NCO's.
Mark
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the problem of 3D minis used for wargames alongside classical lead castings is that 3D resin minis are conceived for display or modelling so they tend to be slender, they are realistic in size..which is not the case of our colonial minis such as Askari or OG which are more heroic as concern proportions..i find it difficult, from past experience, to have the seller print the minis in the scale i needed..possibly this is an issue only for 28mm..the 1/72 minis such as those shown by Marco looks good even if "absolutly realistic" :-)..i have some 1/72 minis for Indochine War 1946-54 and they look good even if mixed with metal or plastic other ranges.
Myself, I want them for diorama purposes so they are fine with me.
Mark
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Picked up this 2 volume set written by a Indian Army officer and published in 1894.
Mark
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Thanks for the info Marco
I ve already found an on line free PDF version..the first volume is more interesting than the second as it deals with actual battles between Russians and Central Asian tribesmen.
For war game ideas, according to this book, I ve just concluded that landscape should preferably be desert o pre desert one, the Russian forces had an high percentage of cavalry formed entirely of Cossacks ..the quasi totality of clashes saw fully mounted tribesmen forces that rarely or never close in their charges..combats were not only attacks on tribesmen strongpoints but also mounted raids against both Russian camps and tribal caravans ..quite an interesting period to game.
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Marco - great find, that sounds awesome with lots of great gaming possibilities! Since we are currently gaming the period and building additional Russian & “native forces” I’d love to read this.
Italwars, could you please post the free link to the pdf of book 1?
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Did you get S&T 338? The board game has a lot of positive reviews by people who have played. I would like to see Decision Games make a larger campaign type game with more scenarios. https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/349741/russian-boots-south-conquest-central-asia
Mark
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Italwars, could you please post the free link to the pdf of book 1?
https://books.google.it/books?id=oN46AQAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
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Great, thanks, now on my reading list.
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Here's the armed strength of Russia. I believe in 1882 https://books.google.com/books?id=HqABAAAAQAAJ&dq=armed+strength+of+russia&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=06xXFB4FCB&sig=Udlx_Ef4so8wVz_bUQM8ci5qmfA&hl=en&ei=ueALS4r8JYH8tQPf4sSiAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
I prefer book form. https://www.amazon.com/Armed-Strength-Russia-Office-Intell/dp/0343752093/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=the+armed+strength+of+russia&qid=1673720575&s=books&sr=1-1
Mark
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Have this book coming. It's almost 50 years old but not many bios on Russian generals, especially in this time period. I had one coming a couple weeks ago but it got lost in transit.
Mark
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thanks...even found a on -line free digital version ;)
https://archive.org/details/dli.pahar.3458
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I didn't know about the online copy of the book but I just can't read a book on the computer.
Mark
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The Lion of Tashkent arrived yesterday. :D
Mark
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Thanks for posting the link to the online editions, Italwars! ...and thank you Marco for doing the same for the armed strength of Russia!
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you're Welcome Mad Guru :-) all the credit to have pinpointed those unusual but charming fronts goes to Marco
by the way Mad Guru are you also envisaging, like me, the folly of beginning another project/army with the Russians in Central Asia?..maybe to fill up ranks of the ennemies of Russia, even if not historically correct, we can use, as proxies, some NWF tribesmen that we already have but, from what i read, the Central Asian armies were composed mainly of mounted warriors...while, even if many manufactures did produce quite a few castings of mounted NWF tribesmen, i never read any evidence of Pathan, Afridis, Waziris ecc..riding horses, "in action", except during polo matches ;) :)
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Getting Central Asians for my scale is going to be hard. The only ones I have found is some Turkmen in with the Afghans section of Newline Designs. https://newlinedesigns.co.uk/product-category/newline-designs-20mm-ranges/newline-designs-20mm-ranges-colonial/newline-designs-20mm-ranges-colonial-afghans/ and they are 20mm not 22mm. The only Central Asians I have found is 28mm from Askari Miniatures. https://askari-minis.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=37 and they are also grouped with the Afghans.
Mark
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Tiger Miniatures has Central Asians in 28mm http://recreationalconflict.lusagi.com/centralasia.html (http://recreationalconflict.lusagi.com/centralasia.html) and are in stock at Recreational Conflict http://recreationalconflict.lusagi.com/index.html (http://recreationalconflict.lusagi.com/index.html)
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We have what we call the Preziosi Collection. http://www.thevirtualarmchairgeneral.com/710-French-Algeria.html It is collection of OOB. I have a large collection of the French ones. Haven't got the British ones. What I want to know if there are any OOB for any of the campaigns/battles for the Russian Central Asian campaigns and if so can you obtain any in English?
Mark
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Thanks for the link, S J Donovan! Can anyone give me a size comparison of Tiger Miniatures compared to some of the other 28mm colonial ranges (Old Glory, 1898, Askari,etc)? Such a wide selection for some of the lesser-known and gamed conflicts. Cheers, Deratt
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They are huge against Old Glory.
Mark
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Thanks, Mark. Your comment just saved me some money! Cheer, Deratt
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And I believe Old Glory are bigger than 1898 and Askari. I saw different brands lined up comparing somewhere but I can't remember where.
Mark
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Starting to get some more Russians sculpted. Get a few more done and then some more French/Senegalese. Then some Central Asians.
Mark
I received these 2 figures, now I have to get them painted. I have a small project I'm getting done then I will be back. Would like to do a few more poses. If anybody has a idea for a pose please post it.
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in my idea you could, maybe, have made an open handed Central Asian mounted Warrior with separated arm with sword/musket..in that way you will have 50% of your diorama actors done...Horse you can use, if the rider is made compatible, tons of types in 1/72 plastic from plenty of manufactures..for the Russians, if you really need another pose, maybe again an open handed guy in relaxed/standing pose to use both as artillery crews and additional infantrymen..cossacks: you can use Strelets Russian types both from WW1 and early ranges...artillery pieces: again plastic, at you chosen scale of 1/72 they are OK..foot tribesmen: in my opinion not necessary above all for a diorama..but arab types with swapping of heads (Strelets early cossacks)or milliput converted heads could be OK
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My size is 22mm. A little bigger.
Mark
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maybe not...Strelets minis, Hat horses ecc...are quite big, other brands horses are small..if was you i would have some comparisons..1/72 is a quite versatile scale
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Got this article I thought would be interesting, A little pricey but I'm not going to make a habit buying access to these articles but I thought I would give it a shot. I had 48 hours to download it, which I did. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0968344517723373
Mark
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I have no information on the banners of the Russian troops used in campaigns. I can assume, by analogy with the period of the First World War, that the "striped" flag is the flag of the army headquarters (in our case, the expedition).
The second flag depicts the personal flag of General Mikhail Skobelev, but this is how it looked, apparently, during the Russian-Turkish war. During the Akhal-Teke expedition, this flag looked different:
(http://www.tg-m.ru/catalog/sites/default/files/imagecache/pic_200x200/catalog/_10-znamya-skobeleva.jpg)
I wonder if the flags on the expeditions looked something like this one?
Mark
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This looks like the one above too.
Mark
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Mark, do you think the article was worth purchasing?
I’m going to try and make that flag if I’m successful I’ll send you the pdf / doc.
Thanks for the data!
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Do you mean the Turkestan Generals? Almost $40 for 32 pages .I wouldn't do it again. I haven't even had a chance to read it yet.
Mark
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Yikes, that’s costly!
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I originally got a fortress which was really nice but just too large for my needs. Then I got a watch tower but just wasn't want I wanted. Finally I got something that I think is just right for me. It measures 16x16x8 and I think this one is just what I want. Here are some pics.
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Lots to love in this thread, great work!
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This looks great, did you purchase this or make it yourself?
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I purchased it on ebay.
Mark
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Lol, great building!
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Would it be possible to get a link to the auction? I'm curious if the seller has anything similar up for auction.
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He doesn't have anything else. This is his link. https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?ssPageName=&_ssn=amaure0
Mark
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The colonial steamboat company make similar stuff and will do custom builds.
Worth checking them out
https://www.colonialsteamboat.co.uk/
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Yes I had one made by him and bought one off ebay but I sold them. Real nice stuff. You usually can only contact him via FB.
Mark
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Here's 2 that I bought . The first one from Old Glory was really nice but was so big I needed something a little smaller. The second one was nice tower from colonial steamboat but when I was able to purchase my latest I sold it also.
Mark
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Here's a generic mud fort I got Colonial Steamboat to make for my late Western Sudan project.
Mark
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Mark, that fort looks like the one Al from Askari Minis made. He used it in a game he ran at Historicon decades ago. It’s an amazing piece.
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Maybe that's where the Colonial Steamboat guy got the idea from.
Mark
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I have the Afghan Tribal Stronghold and roadside village too - Xmas presents from my good lady wife.
Have to say the OG one looks good
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Really nice. :)
Mark
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Hopefully more figures will come soon.
Mark
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I have just returned to miniature wargaming after a 15 odd year break. I've been going through what I have, rebasing and patching chips etc.
I've decided to the Battle of Irdjar using Black Powder as the rules (rules still in the post) as my end goal. So on to my questions.
Per Foundry's Central Asian book the Orbat was:
Russia:
Under Romanovski
14 company Infantry
5 sotnias Cossacks
20 Guns
8 Rocket stands
Under Kraefski
1000 men (4-5 company's?)
Bokhara:
40,000 (incl 5000 sarbezes)
21 Guns
In Black Powder terms I was thinking of doing a base = company, which would make 4-5 bases unit or about 50:1 figure ratio. Russians would be about 20 bases inf and 6 based Cav. Bokhara would be 25 based Inf and loads of Cav. I might cut Bokharan Cav down by half at least since most would not have participated directly in the battle. I will have to read the rules and get a bit of a feel for them.
On this kind of ratio how many guns would make a base? Does about 8 per base feel right?
What type of guns did the Russians use?
There is mention of rifles, were the Russians 4 line company plus 1 rifle company?
The Bokharans we're dug in. What did these field defenses look like? Sangars, trenches?
Anyone know of a good account of the battle in English?
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First 9 bases re-based and chips patched up.
Mostly Askari with Old Glory Mongols.
The horse tail standard is from Eureka's Turk range.
The axe at the front was my first (and only) kit bash. He had a broken sword so I replaced his arm with an arm an ECW plastic spruce.
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They look good.
Mark
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Going to get a few more Russians sculpted then on to the Central Asians! :D
Mark
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New sculpt coming. Early prototype. All opinions welcome.
Mark
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Finished.
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Nice design. The cloth of his shirt is well done and his face has lots of detail. Hope he comes out well.
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New book coming out in June. https://www.amazon.com/dp/1804514799?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
Mark
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Ooh...I fancy that.
Will add it to my notify list from them
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Ooh...I fancy that.
Will add it to my notify list from them
Yes you can get it right there in the UK. I already pre-ordered it. :D
Mark
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I just sent for this book.
Mark
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Have you read this ? I've had my eye on it for a while.
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I've had it since it came it out but haven't read it yet.
Mark
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My latest figures.
Mark
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Marc, those look great! My only critique is the feet and pistol seem a bit small to me.
Cheers,
JB
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I would have to look at the feet on a different angle.
Mark
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My latest for my Russian and French projects.
Mark
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I like the look of them. Will you also be producing enemies for the French? And will these be metals or plastic/resin?
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I hopefully wish to get some Central Asians done but it takes time. And money! :D. The ones I'm receiving are resin but the sculptor (who has a company) has been thinking about making a range. I don't know what he would make them out of. I prefer metal myself but he usually does 3-D printing.
Mark
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My latest being done.Mounted Skobelev.
Mark
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Finished.
Mark