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Miniatures Adventure => Pulp => Topic started by: Sinewgrab on November 18, 2018, 04:22:55 PM
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So, I have the Tri-Motor kit that works fairly well, but I was trying to find another good passenger airplane for the pulp era to expand my collection - just in case I am ever running the same scenario in two places at the same time - but I have found that any threads on the subject on here are seemingly 5-10 years old, so not as easy to track down as otherwise. Any suggestions, old chaps?
Oh, 28mm, by the by.
These are what I have at the moment.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/36/1352-181118172203.jpeg)
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That doesn't seem to be the coin bank Trimotor, but nor does it seem to be 1:48... where did you find that?
As for other options, check out the huge pulp planes thread here: http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=58045.0
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Sinewgrab, you must have missed the "Pulp Plane Library" thread. It's on page 2 of this list. It's 47 pages of posts, with the last post being on October 6, 2018 (as of this moment). I've posted a few there, mostly single engine planes that can carry 4 to 8 people, including the pilots. That's a great size to carry a single Pulp Alley league.
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It is a 1/67 (? or something like that - it was a ridiculous where did they come up with that size scale on the box) scale plastic kit.
Pulp plane library? Perfect. I used the search engine and put "airplane" in the box and specified the Pulp thread. >:(
Time for a quick root around.
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Yep, that does it. Thank you for the heads up, Warren.
Now to go decide which one of the planes I found on ebay I want to go with.
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It is a 1/67 (? or something like that - it was a ridiculous where did they come up with that size scale on the box) scale plastic kit.
Pulp plane library? Perfect. I used the search engine and put "airplane" in the box and specified the Pulp thread. >:(
Time for a quick root around.
Where did you get it? Brand, etc?
I didn't think this existed despite looking for one for ages, so I am DEFINITELY interested.
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Revell, maybe? I have had it for years. I think Dave Phipps has one that he has shown off as well.
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Revell, maybe? I have had it for years. I think Dave Phipps has one that he has shown off as well.
Dave has the die-cast Ertl coin bank, I'm pretty sure.
A quick search shows the Revell kit is 1:77... but the coin bank is the Wings of Texaco 1:72, I think? I briefly owned one (due to a misshipment funny enough! I didn't actually buy one!) and I know the coin bank version looks far too small next to the miniatures I'm using. But the one in your photo looks, if not perfect, then larger at least. Very bizarre!
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1/77 is probably right. I have always felt it was a touch small, but it works well enough.
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How odd. Maybe it's just the angle of the photo that makes it look bigger to me.
In any case, I got the Buehl Whirlwind a while ago, so I have a transport plane anyway, ha.
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I know there's a fair few 1/72 versions floating on EBay. Often mused on turning one into the single engine bush /cargo plane.
This is fast becoming your great white whale Matt. ;D
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I have a Monogram one which is still waiting to be built so no idea what it looks like next to a 28mm mini but it's 1/77.
(https://i.imgur.com/oreWDPY.jpg)
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I know there's a fair few 1/72 versions floating on EBay. Often mused on turning one into the single engine bush /cargo plane.
This is fast becoming your great white whale Matt. ;D
Nah. As I said, I actually had one of the Ertl ones in hand and stood minis next to it. Didn't work at all with my big fellows.
1:66-ish is what works for me. It's the perfect scale where it doesn't look too large when compared to cars or buildings, or too small when compared to figures. At least for me.
If there ever WAS a Trimotor in 1:67, I would probably get it but I don't need it to game with. I've got the Buhl for a 20's model, and for a super-fancy ultra-modern plane, I have a 1:65th He 111, to eventually be converted to passenger service, owned by a company founded by a dashing Hughes-esque inventor/industrialist/magnate/adventurer.
What I should REALLY be doing is finishing my Nazis, doing up my railroad, and painting a certain motorbike scout. But this is one of those times when minis seem to be on the backburner compared to other projects.
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and for a super-fancy ultra-modern plane, I have a 1:65th He 111, to eventually be converted to passenger service, owned by a company founded by a dashing Hughes-esque inventor/industrialist/magnate/adventurer.
That sounds like a great project. Looking forward to seeing it. Who makes the 1/65 Heinkel?
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That sounds like a great project. Looking forward to seeing it. Who makes the 1/65 Heinkel?
It's an old Lindberg kit (actually I was off by one - it's 1/64). Will be great as a "license-built" version - there were in fact civilian versions of the 111, as part of the disguised Luftwaffe rebuilding programme, but in real life only Luft Hansa had any (I think). I adore these few "greenhouse"-nose planes (DeHaviland had a few too)... they're so very distinctive of the interwar era.
It's a bit hard to find, as it's a very old kit (like 40-50 years... bloody thing might be older 'n I am!). I was able to pick up a cheap one a while back though.
EDIT: A bit of research turned up that it's been in production since '55, but the box I have (which is a slightly improved version of the older kit) dates to 1986.
(https://www.scalemates.com/products/img/3/7/9/554379-26866-48-pristine.jpg)
I believe Lindberg made a few other planes in the same odd-duck scale, mostly similarly mid-sized twin-engine planes from WWII, but there's a couple of fighters too (though those are quite rare).
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As far as I am aware, the "odd" scales often found with older kits are called "box-scales". Manufacturers were less concerned about sticking to the "usual" scales so models look right next to each other, but rather saw to it that they could cut costs by using same size moulds and boxes for as many models as possible. Especially older ship kits have really odd scales and you're hard-pressed to find two of the same scale in the 1984 Revell catalogue (whish was the first I ever bought, so i still treasure it).
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There is a Tri-Motor in 1/48 by AJP Maquettes. it's lovely but you are paying for the privilege - it's 130 Euros...
ajp-maquettes.com/Dossier Anglais/Lignes anglais/AJP-Collection Lignes - FORD Trimoteur - anglais.htm (http://ajp-maquettes.com/Dossier Anglais/Lignes anglais/AJP-Collection Lignes - FORD Trimoteur - anglais.htm)
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3000toys have a few
https://www.3000toys.com/catalog/products.aspx?clear=scale&TYPE=AIRCRAFT&SCALE=1/72&ORDER=M&setup=
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There is a Tri-Motor in 1/48 by AJP Maquettes. it's lovely but you are paying for the privilege - it's 130 Euros...
ajp-maquettes.com/Dossier Anglais/Lignes anglais/AJP-Collection Lignes - FORD Trimoteur - anglais.htm (http://ajp-maquettes.com/Dossier Anglais/Lignes anglais/AJP-Collection Lignes - FORD Trimoteur - anglais.htm)
Oh yes, it's magnificent.
1:48th just ends up looking far too large, though. At least on my table. I had a couple models and ended up selling or trading them away.
Same for cars. I ended up using a mix of odd boxed-scale models, rebuilt models, and cars which were in very odd sizes in real life (but actually look normal on the tabletop). Of course there's way more diecast cars than planes, and they're cheaper.
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Sinewgrab, I sent you a PM. I have a Beech model 18 that I want to sell. It is a diecast coin bank, roughly 1/43rd scale.
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I've always loved the look of the Heinkel He-70 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_70), it being just such a distinctly looking thirties plane. You either love it or hate it; there seems to be no middle ground...
It was used by the Condor Legion in Spain, the Luftwaffe, but there were also civilian versions. It had the same wing shape as the later He-111, and could be regarded as a bit of a test bed for that bomber.
Its performance in Spain was adequate, but it was found that when it was hit, flying a plane with a magnesium airframe was not the best of choices, and many went down like a virtual supernova... ::)
Still; despite all that, I really love the design, and I was super stoked when AZ-models came out with one in 1/48 (https://www.scalemates.com/products/reviews.php?scale=1%3A48&topic=Heinkel+He+70+Blitz#). Too bad though that around that time, my pulp campaign ended, and I no longer needed it. But I should eventually get one...
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Well, I ended up with a couple diecast banks. Some may think they are large, but I am fine with them, especially with my mix of figures.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/36/1352-241118032905-364451205.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/36/1352-231118073328.jpeg)
If I find more, I may actually end up with more.
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Love your choice of diecast airplanes and the paint schemes you picked. Those should be easy to modify without a full repaint of the whole airplane. The Lockheed Air Express is especially Pulpy due to the combination of the modern (for 1929) Vega fuselage with the retro elements of parasol wing and exposed pilot position.
I'm with you on the size. I understand the contrary perspective of Fram and The Virtual Armchair General. But given the height and bulk of modern "heroic" 28mm, the added height from the bases, and the wide availability of 1/43 scale cars, I think these bigger airplanes usually look fine.
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I'm glad you found what you wanted, but a response would have been appreciated.
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Love your choice of diecast airplanes and the paint schemes you picked. Those should be easy to modify without a full repaint of the whole airplane. The Lockheed Air Express is especially Pulpy due to the combination of the modern (for 1929) Vega fuselage with the retro elements of parasol wing and exposed pilot position.
I'm with you on the size. I understand the contrary perspective of Fram and The Virtual Armchair General. But given the height and bulk of modern "heroic" 28mm, the added height from the bases, and the wide availability of 1/43 scale cars, I think these bigger airplanes usually look fine.
I think 1:48 aircraft can look fine next to figures, but they end up dominating all the table space, and also tend to look out of scale with any buildings I have (which are - like those of most wargamers - are somewhat undersized so you can fit enough on a table). Cars may or may not conflict, depending on what scale you use (my scale is horribly imprecise on cars, but to use the two most common sources, mine are a little bigger than Lledo but smaller than most Matchbox).
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I'm glad you found what you wanted, but a response would have been appreciated.
I sent my email to you via PM - I'll try the other way.
But really, it all about what you want to see, when all is done. I am still used to 4'x6' tables as normal, so a 3x3 really confuses me sometimes.
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If your out to use vehicles then the bigger table is really useful to get a good car chase going.
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If your out to use vehicles then the bigger table is really useful to get a good car chase going.
Alternately there's the scrolling scenery/static cars option.
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Oh thats far too much effort for me. lol
Setting up once, and putting away once . is more than enough(moving one car is just so much more civilized. ;D)
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Alternately there's the scrolling scenery/static cars option.
You mean like this (https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=34855.0)? ;)
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That's exactly the one I always think of. :D
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Yep thought it was . and it's still too much effort for me lol