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Title: 28mm German PAK 38 - options?
Post by: traveller on January 20, 2019, 06:24:27 PM
With the help of Cuprum I have figured out that my Cossacks in German service needs some PAK 38s

I have found:

Perry
Warlord
Rubicon

Are there other options? Grateful for any advice on which is the best alternative.

Many thanks!
Title: Re: 28mm German PAK 38 - options?
Post by: Thargor on January 20, 2019, 07:45:01 PM
Pretty sure Black Tree Design does a Pak38 too.
Title: Re: 28mm German PAK 38 - options?
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on January 21, 2019, 08:24:09 AM
I would go for Rubicon, plastic kit.

The instructions are here:
http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=690.0 (http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=690.0)
Title: Re: 28mm German PAK 38 - options?
Post by: traveller on January 21, 2019, 09:14:24 AM
Pretty sure Black Tree Design does a Pak38 too.

Thanks Thargor,

BTD have some good models but I have too many disappointments from them to order again, unfortunately...
Title: Re: 28mm German PAK 38 - options?
Post by: traveller on January 21, 2019, 09:15:19 AM
I would go for Rubicon, plastic kit.

The instructions are here:
http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=690.0 (http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=690.0)

Thanks for the link! Do you know how this kit would compare in size with Warlord and Perry?
Title: Re: 28mm German PAK 38 - options?
Post by: Griefbringer on January 21, 2019, 02:45:37 PM
Thanks for the link! Do you know how this kit would compare in size with Warlord and Perry?

Rubicon kits are 1/56 scale.

Perry twins have stated that theit WWII range is aimed at being 1/56 scale.

Warlord vehicles claim to be 1/56 scale, but I am not gonig to promise anything for their artillery or especially infantry.


I guess a lot depends on what manufacturer your cossacks are from - and whether you need just the gun or also a crew.
Title: Re: 28mm German PAK 38 - options?
Post by: traveller on January 21, 2019, 04:32:42 PM

I guess a lot depends on what manufacturer your cossacks are from - and whether you need just the gun or also a crew.

I am using Crusader WW2 Cossacks and converted miniatures in similar size AND I need a crew!
Title: Re: 28mm German PAK 38 - options?
Post by: Truscott Trotter on January 21, 2019, 10:33:20 PM
Go Warlord - EW/MW
Rubicon crew will be too small
Perry crew will be smaller than Crusader and wrong uniform for a headswap
Do not touch the BTD guns (I like their German infantry) they are 1/48th and not great kits
Title: Re: 28mm German PAK 38 - options?
Post by: Griefbringer on January 22, 2019, 09:30:34 AM
To go with Crusader miniatures style, Warlord sounds like a logical choice. Crusader itself also makes some anti-tank guns, but unfortunately only the 37 and 75 mm versions.
Title: Re: 28mm German PAK 38 - options?
Post by: traveller on January 22, 2019, 01:33:26 PM
Good advice!

Anyone seen the Warlord model in reality? The crew poses looks a bit dodgy on the pictures...
Title: Re: 28mm German PAK 38 - options?
Post by: Gibby on January 22, 2019, 06:42:16 PM
I owned the Warlord one. Kept the crew and binned the gun after spending ages trying to fit various lumps of metal together. Plan on going with the Rubicon gun with the Warlord crew as they'll fit the rest of my figures better.
Title: Re: 28mm German PAK 38 - options?
Post by: Shahbahraz on January 22, 2019, 07:39:12 PM
I owned the Warlord one. Kept the crew and binned the gun after spending ages trying to fit various lumps of metal together. Plan on going with the Rubicon gun with the Warlord crew as they'll fit the rest of my figures better.

I have two of the Warlord ones, and very happy with the gun. Though it took some googling to see where the sighting mechanism fitted.

My complaint is that guns are sold with (usually) 3 figures, and Chain of Command needs 5 + a Junior Leader, so effectively you need to buy multiple crews, and most companies don't sell them separately.
Title: Re: 28mm German PAK 38 - options?
Post by: Gibby on January 22, 2019, 08:55:28 PM
It looked a good model, I don't know if mine was slightly miscast but I am rubbish at working with metal so lost my rag with it and chucked it. lol
Title: Re: 28mm German PAK 38 - options?
Post by: traveller on January 22, 2019, 09:06:17 PM
Thanks for your comments!

Shahbahraz, would you mind sharing a photo of your finished model? It would be great to see a photo of one assembled
Title: Re: 28mm German PAK 38 - options?
Post by: Shahbahraz on January 23, 2019, 09:11:35 PM
Thanks for your comments!

Shahbahraz, would you mind sharing a photo of your finished model? It would be great to see a photo of one assembled

Ok,, it's here on my blog - https://aleadodyssey.blogspot.com/2019/01/warlord-pak-36.html

and here's one pic as a preview:
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-VcA010OMJNw/XEjXWrQFJsI/AAAAAAAAD4g/UiGdXJqSEHk_UATWD4quCMSX39PjErVLgCLcBGAs/s1600/pak36-3.jpg)

I am not keen on the lying crewman but the other two are cool. One thing is that unless you split the trails VERY wide, the gunner doesn't align with hand on trail and hand on control. Also watch out in assembly - add sighting mechanism, then add the shield to the gun, then mount the gun on the axle assembly BEFORE adding trails, or it will end up looking droopy.
Title: Re: 28mm German PAK 38 - options?
Post by: Truscott Trotter on January 23, 2019, 10:48:53 PM
erm nice 37mm gun shahbahraz but I thought he was after pak 38 the 50mm one?

Mine arrived today (blitzkrieg ver) I think the crew are really nice - but I agree about guns sometimes being hard to put together without instructions
Title: Re: 28mm German PAK 38 - options?
Post by: Shahbahraz on January 23, 2019, 10:54:17 PM
Ahhh, I have a Pak 38 in the stash as well. Ok, I will have a crack at that and see how it goes. Comprehensive comprehension fail.   
Title: Re: 28mm German PAK 38 - options?
Post by: Shahbahraz on January 23, 2019, 11:52:54 PM
Ok, a couple of issues with the Warlord Pak 38. Firstly, straighten the axle assembly, it is slightly bent which will throw everything off. Secondly, the barrel isn't great. if you were perfectionist in nature you would be using sandpaper to work on the dimensions near the muzzle brake (drill that out by the way). The surface contacts aren't huge so be prepared to either sit holding it while the superglue sets, or build some jigs. The wheels are missing grooves, so again.. if that bothers you. 

Order of build is important. Leave the trails off till just before attaching the lower front shield.
1. straighten axle assembly, glue on left hand side of mount, make sure the front angle exactly corresponds to the fixed right hand side. If necessary, once glued, use a flat file to get the correct angle.
2. Attach barrel. Check how straight this is on the mount, as the little lip on the underside of the recoil mechanism is not flat out out of the mould.
3. Attach wheels or main shield either will do. If attaching wheels, you may find it easier to make parallel scores in corrugated cardboard or similar as a jig to keep them aligned straight when glued.
4. Attach the bit you didn't do in 3.
5. Bend down slighly the lower part of the pivot assembly on the trails, attach trails (note that the towing eye goes to the inside, as do the handles) and gently squeeze teh pivot hinge back into place. glue from underside.
6 Attach lower shield. You may find (depending on wheel assembly) that you need to file down the edges slightly to make it fit between the wheels.

Will post a pic tomorrow.     
Title: Re: 28mm German PAK 38 - options?
Post by: Truscott Trotter on January 24, 2019, 12:36:58 AM
Thanks for that summary was looking at the bits this morning
Already spotted the wheel/axle problem rather annoying
Also already broken the muzzle drilling it out - time for some greenstuff
The barrel looks the same dimensions as my pak 40 - also annoying
Title: Re: 28mm German PAK 38 - options?
Post by: Shahbahraz on January 25, 2019, 08:24:36 AM
Thanks for that summary was looking at the bits this morning
Already spotted the wheel/axle problem rather annoying
Also already broken the muzzle drilling it out - time for some greenstuff
The barrel looks the same dimensions as my pak 40 - also annoying

Yep, ok posted some pics:
https://aleadodyssey.blogspot.com/2019/01/pak-38.html

here's one:
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZxTslLQ85HM/XErHQJfqPHI/AAAAAAAAD5E/0Jp_iJOuHtEjtXm-zBPJD08u09g83JD0QCLcBGAs/s1600/pak38-1.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm German PAK 38 - options?
Post by: Tommy20 on January 25, 2019, 01:26:24 PM
Do not touch the BTD guns (I like their German infantry) they are 1/48th and not great kits

Does anyone make a nice one in 1:48?  I'm aware of the GASOLINE one, but would prefer metal.