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Title: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on February 10, 2019, 05:41:16 PM
WIP British
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.15

British  infantry (Empress Miniatures)
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.45

Reference pictures & PIAT
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.75

WIP German MG
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.90

Reference pictures & WIP Volksgrenadiers
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.105

Volksgrenadiers (Empress Miniatures)
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.105

British RTOs
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.135

British HQ
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.150

British Para section (Warlord)
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.165

German panzerschreck
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.240

German MG42
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.255

British Churchill Tank
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.270

German Panzer IV & 251
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.285

British Vickers & Belgian Gate
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.300

German tank riders & British snipers (Warlord)
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.315

British Unit markings for 4th KOSB + Winter camo German vehicles
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.330

German 251 Pioneer halftrack & infantry (snow bases) + British (snow bases)
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.345

Brengun carrier (universal)
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.360

British tank crew in camo Pixie suit
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.375

British mortar team (Warlord)
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.390

British & German mortars (Empress) LVT-4
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.420

Jedburgh (Offensive Miniatures)
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.435

More British Tank crew in Pixie suits. Empress bailed out crew
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.435

British Cromwell Tank
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.435

Limited edition Paul Hick's sculpts for DKMS
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.465

Germans in Pea Dot (44)
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.480

Bailed out German Tank crew
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.495

Stug III
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.510

Panzerkampfwagen B2 Flammpanzer
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.510

Tiger 1 WIP
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.525

Arnhem German SS (Offensive Miniatures)
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.540

Arnhem British Airborne (Warlord Miniatures)
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.555

British Airborne 75mm Howitzer & Mortar teams Arnhem (Warlord)
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.570

Warlord Commando to Airborne conversions SAS
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.585

SS squad (Warlord)
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.585

Warlord British Airborne 6 pounder AT gun, late war British Engineers, SS MG42
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.615

Warlord British Airborne Vickers
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.630

Empress Arnhem Paras - Urban bases.
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.660

Empress Arnhem Paras - Grassy bases
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.690

Airborne Mortars
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.690

Airborne 6 pounder Vickers MMG
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.705

Finished Jeep/ Medics / Warlord Special Figure/ Drop canisters and panniers
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.720

Late War KOSB 6 Pounder & Loyd Carrier
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.735

Converted British Engineers (Warlord)
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.750

6 Pounder with snow
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.765

Converted Vickers MMG team / Sherman Firefly
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.780

Winter British Infantry (Warlord)
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.795

Polish Airborne section (Warlord) / SS mortar & Pak 40/ Warlord Sd.Kfz 251
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.810

Horch / Marder III / RAM Kangaroo
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.825

Sd.Kfz 222 / Sherman / Kangaroo
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.840

White Half track ambulance /
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115008.855








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Picked up a few packs of the new late war British infantry from Empress minis:

(https://i.ibb.co/mT19Hjq/WIP-28mm-WW2-British-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on February 10, 2019, 05:59:46 PM
I will be interested to see how they turn out.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: carlos marighela on February 10, 2019, 09:06:06 PM
Likewise. Hopefully they will make some separate head sprues for these. Unadorned Mk III/ IV helmets, cap comforters and berets. That will make them useful for Korea and they will have really stolen a march on Warlord if WLG ever do follow through on the mooted Korean project.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Harry Faversham on February 11, 2019, 12:09:49 AM
They look nice, wonder if they plan adding a couple of Sten/Tommy gunners as NCOs?

???
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: carlos marighela on February 11, 2019, 08:47:44 AM
They look nice, wonder if they plan adding a couple of Sten/Tommy gunners as NCOs?

???

I’d say that’s a given, especially when you look at the breakdown of their other ranges. I’d also suspect that a PIAT and a 2” mortar are on their way.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Eclaireur on February 11, 2019, 10:37:16 AM
As Carlos said, we have to assume a command pack or two are on their way. Interesting though as to how you would arm them. The range was partly inspired by 'With the Scots' by Peter White and if you read that, he says the platoon and section commanders were all carrying Enfields for fear of becoming sniper bait.
Spare head packs are also promised - though I'd like MkII helmets so you could use them for the winter of 43/44 in Italy,
EC
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ballardian on February 11, 2019, 05:50:07 PM

 Very nice, I also hope for some head sprues for the late model helmet.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on February 12, 2019, 07:25:29 AM
I would imagine there will be NCO figures etc with Sten in a future pack; also command section figures with support weapons both deployed and on the move as with the 1950's French models. I hope..!


Micro update:

(https://i.ibb.co/gr1sMTh/WIP-28mm-WW2-British-webbing-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Harry Faversham on February 12, 2019, 08:23:45 AM
The range was partly inspired by 'With the Scots' by Peter White and if you read that, he says the platoon and section commanders were all carrying Enfields for fear of becoming sniper bait.
Some of the 'Scot's' in White's Platoon had some very imaginative ideas on uniforms! He also relates surviving a point blank ambush, due to the fact that he was carrying a rifle, while a couple of his men around him had Sten guns, he was convinced the Sten gunners were targeted by Jerry as unit leaders.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on February 12, 2019, 09:24:37 AM
I understand why NCOs would not want to stand out, but as you said "a couple of his men had Sten guns", so I want the models... ;)


Just placed an order for the book...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Harry Faversham on February 12, 2019, 10:22:05 AM
Ash, you're in for a right read mate.
Anyone thinking that Jerry had just about petered out by 1945 should have a read at Peter White's book, did you know he was an artist? The best illustrations in the book are pencil drawings he made in the front line, they really bring his Platoon to life.

:)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Eclaireur on February 12, 2019, 10:57:33 AM
Ash - you won't regret it, a great read.

Harry - agree, the sketches are very interesting. I pointed out to Paul @ Empress that they appear to show MkII helmets also that White mentions a group of guys wearing the MkIII, implying that this was not the norm. Still, they've been sculpted in MkIIIs anyway!

EC 
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on February 12, 2019, 01:08:50 PM
I'm looking forward to getting hold of that; thanks for the recommendation.

These might be of interest:

'The Battle of the Bulge, Britain's untold story', by Charles Whiting.
"For political reasons, no mention was ever made of the crucial British involvement in this battle:against a total news blackout, British XXX Corps suffered 2,500 casualties fighting a decisive action which halted the German drive to the river Meuse."

'The Struggle for Europe' by Chester Wilmot
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Paul @ Empress Miniatures on February 12, 2019, 02:02:14 PM
Hi All,

Glad you like the opening releases. Lots more to come, infact I have the latest 16 sculpts on my desk having just opened the post. These include riflemen, Sten gunners, PIATS. Huge amount still to do but they are up the front of our to do list alongside Vietnam.  Some characters will even make an appearance. This range will easily hit the 100 figure number with mortars,  flamethrowers, commanders, comms, etc, etc, etc.

MkII helmets will certainly feature in the near future as its obvious from primary sources that units had both. Don't forget the Canadians as well.

Onwards & Upwards,
Paul



 

Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Eclaireur on February 12, 2019, 03:37:30 PM
Excellent to hear your ambition for the range Paul, they are gorgeous sculpts. Can't wait!
EC
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on February 12, 2019, 04:47:26 PM
Good news on the 'upcoming new models front'.

So for an up to strength section would 1 x bren, 7 x enfield + a couple of Stens sound about right? For a command section 1 x Rupert, 1 x Sgt, PIAT team (2), 2" mortar team (2), signaler..?

Micro update. Just started blocking in the brown.

(https://i.ibb.co/vHYZXW5/WIP-28mm-WW2-British-uniform-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Shahbahraz on February 12, 2019, 06:36:58 PM
Hi All,

Glad you like the opening releases. Lots more to come, infact I have the latest 16 sculpts on my desk having just opened the post. These include riflemen, Sten gunners, PIATS. Huge amount still to do but they are up the front of our to do list alongside Vietnam.  Some characters will even make an appearance. This range will easily hit the 100 figure number with mortars,  flamethrowers, commanders, comms, etc, etc, etc.

MkII helmets will certainly feature in the near future as its obvious from primary sources that units had both. Don't forget the Canadians as well.

Onwards & Upwards,
Paul



 

Ah b*gger, and i just completed my NWE British/Commonwealth forces with another manufacturer. These look brilliant. Maybe once the full range is released I can dump errr... sell, my existing ones and re-equip.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on February 12, 2019, 07:51:09 PM
More good news from Empress. I have two platoons of the late war U.S. which I am finally getting around to painting. And will be getting some of these UK troops soon.
I also just put in an order for a copy of "With the Scots".
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: M Blakey on February 12, 2019, 07:58:31 PM
Lovely start I have these on the desk now. primer tomorrow and painting starts on the weekend!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Eclaireur on February 12, 2019, 08:02:45 PM
enjoying the WIP pictures Ash  :-*
what colour did you use for their webbing?
EC
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on February 12, 2019, 08:29:11 PM
Thanks for all the feedback chaps.

@ M Blakey: look forward to seeing them.

@ Eclaireur: So far webbing was base coated 'Russian uniform', dry brushed 'Khaki', then a couple of washes of 'olive green' + the respirator bag had a wash of 'Luftwaffe green'... I think
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on February 13, 2019, 08:05:19 AM
Looking good.

The photographs of the painting stages is very useful, please can you put a paint list together with your first "fully" painted set? Thanks.

You are certainly selling them ^__^.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Juan on February 13, 2019, 03:10:45 PM
I have ordered those three packs, and I´m reading  that book. This forum is a very dangerous place for my economy...  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on February 13, 2019, 04:13:48 PM
Not much of an update; shaded the uniforms and started on the weapons and helmets

(https://i.ibb.co/g9rzk3K/WIP-28mm-WW2-British-helmets-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on February 14, 2019, 02:53:37 PM
Started on the windproof smocks.
I've found various pics online, some where the base colour looks quite a 'sand' tone and others almost a faded salmon pinkish colour. I'm thinking the later have probably been washed a few times and the colours have run. As when the brown starts to fade it looks to be quite a reddish brown. I'm going with a base of Vallejo 'dark sand' with a little bit of 'red leather' mixed in, may give it a wash of the 'red leather' as well.

 (https://i.ibb.co/Lgs60Qv/WIP-28mm-WW2-British-smocks-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Danger Close Miniatures on February 14, 2019, 04:31:27 PM
Here's one of my original smocks, photo might be of some use. But I've seen that much variation that you can't go far wrong whatever you do.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Oldgamer on February 14, 2019, 05:09:33 PM
I wasn't going to buy these figures as l have enough by other makers but seeing these has changed my mind, plus reading WTJ's sealed the deal, looking forward to seeing your progress.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on February 14, 2019, 05:54:12 PM
@ Danger Close: Thanks for that, great picture. What a cool thing to own, especially having the full length zip mod.
Looking at that I'll be going with the 'red leather' wash. The green probably thin coats of 'olive green' maybe with a bit of something yellowish like 'japan uniform', the brown parts a mix of 'hull red' & 'chocolate brown' or something lighter...

@ Oldgamer: These are very nice sculpts, loads of character you wont be disappointed. So far just the three packs out so no great outlay, once the next figures come out I'll be enlarging to a full platoon and I don't even collect WW2!

@ Ultravanillasmurf: I'll post a list of the paints I used once finished. Not sure what to do with the bases yet.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: carlos marighela on February 14, 2019, 08:28:39 PM
I think you’ll find it’s the other way around. They started with a distinctly pinkish tone and may have faded. Whilst there is as with all such items quite a bit of variation due to contemporary dye technology, different makers and the variable effects of wear and washing, the distinctive aspect most people associate with the windproof smock is the pinkish hue.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: carlos marighela on February 14, 2019, 08:31:54 PM
By the by, I used to have a pair of the trousers. They were distinctly pinkish.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on February 14, 2019, 09:24:45 PM
Thanks for that; I'm definitely going with the pinkish option.

(https://i.ibb.co/4mKVQFm/WIP-28mm-WW2-British-smocks-pink-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Danger Close Miniatures on February 14, 2019, 09:29:00 PM
Here's a video with some kids in windproofs from the 60's https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Wtp6mkndH2U&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR1jUYITG7j3GJSty_L3N6Di1ILXm66pk5h8SJbDCZf4iVhKX7rdW1Z_qH0
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ragnar on February 15, 2019, 06:12:24 AM
Marvelous work Ash.  Liking the PJs and the figures.

Are these suitable for D-day onwards or are they only for later than that?

Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: carlos marighela on February 15, 2019, 07:36:50 AM
They are in winter kit, so late autumn ‘44 to Spring ‘45. The time frame more or less matches the US range.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on February 15, 2019, 11:09:19 AM
What do you think would be appropriate for the bases? Mud?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on February 15, 2019, 12:55:13 PM
Small update: Green blotches  approx 60% olive green 40% ochre brown

(https://i.ibb.co/SB0Rs2R/WIP-28mm-WW2-British-smocks-green-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on February 16, 2019, 08:22:42 AM
What do you think would be appropriate for the bases? Mud?

And "burnt grass" colour tufts, foam and static grass.

Anyone have any idea what colour mud would be suitable?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Danger Close Miniatures on February 16, 2019, 08:35:20 AM
These smocks were mostly issued to certain Divisions for the liberation of Holland and the advance into northwest Germany, late 44 to May 45. The terrain is very similar to eastern England, the soil in some of the pine forests can be very dark, but  really just use any dark brown or look in the garden for inspiration.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Harry Faversham on February 16, 2019, 09:00:30 AM
In my wisdom I paint the windproof smocks the same way as a Denison smock... and I'm wrong!
Here's wot 'British Army Uniforms & Insignia of World War Two' has to say about 'em...

The colouring and patterning of the camouflage was quite distinctive and there was nothing else like it in use by the Army during the 1939-45 war. It was predominantly chocolate brown, mid brown and khaki green overlaid on a light brown base. The patterning was large, irregular and with edging that was sharp in places and in others appeared as though applied with a wide house painting brush and thus showed up as a ragged pattern of fine lines.

Sounds just like Denison smock materiel... in my 'umble opinion.

::)




 
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Danger Close Miniatures on February 16, 2019, 12:25:51 PM
Here's a couple of discussions/photos about windproof smocks from Tony Barton (ABminiatures) he's done a really good tutorial but i can't find it.
http://www.sixtharmygroup.com/portal/viewtopic.php?printertopic=1&t=9479&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&finish_rel=-10000

http://www.antheads.co.uk/galguide/peterwhite
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on February 16, 2019, 05:05:06 PM
Here the first lot; still waiting for some bases for the prone blokes:

(https://i.ibb.co/DYnZtY6/Late-WW2-British-1-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/KynxyjZ/Late-WW2-British-1-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/wLDcgZc/Late-WW2-British-1-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/CsLWgND/Late-WW2-British-1-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Danger Close Miniatures on February 16, 2019, 06:35:25 PM
Cracking work, you've captured that late war look brilliantly.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: carlos marighela on February 16, 2019, 09:46:36 PM
Lovely brushwork! They look a treat.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Shahbahraz on February 16, 2019, 10:08:02 PM
Oh my goodness, those are cracking. Lovely work, and we need a tutorial.   :)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ragnar on February 16, 2019, 10:40:22 PM
Just wanted to chime in again and say; very nice PJs.

Also, thanks for the info on the smocks.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on February 16, 2019, 10:51:58 PM
Thanks for the feedback chaps, much appreciated.

Here's the next four:

(https://i.ibb.co/k23vSBB/Late-WW2-British-2-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/8dNGCFL/Late-WW2-British-2-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/6WtPtR9/Late-WW2-British-2-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/kxXrLD9/Late-WW2-British-2-D-LR.jpg)

There was a certain degree of trepidation attempting to paint the eyes, there was a real likely-hood they would end up looking like the Marty Feldman fan club.

Bases for the prone blokes have still not turned up so I'll just add those later. The book however arrived today
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on February 17, 2019, 07:51:05 AM
Very nice work.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Harry Faversham on February 17, 2019, 09:09:12 AM
Splendid work.

 :-*
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on February 17, 2019, 09:53:15 AM
The last four:

(https://i.ibb.co/jgF5dGs/Late-WW2-British-3-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/v4VTLzt/Late-WW2-British-3-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/pZsGXGn/Late-WW2-British-3-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/VSBjGJK/Late-WW2-British-3-D-LR.jpg)

Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: carlos marighela on February 17, 2019, 10:33:33 AM
Really top notch stuff. I’m not a fan of painted in eyes normally but you’ve done a bloody good job.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on February 17, 2019, 01:07:28 PM
Wow! Those turned out great!  :D
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on February 17, 2019, 01:46:35 PM
Really top notch stuff. I’m not a fan of painted in eyes normally but you’ve done a bloody good job.

Thanks Carlos, sometimes they work out OK'ish. I may go back and put a wash over them, to knock back the white.
Feels like they are all staring at me...

@commissarmoody: Thanks very much.

I'm now out of things to paint so will have to look in the 'box of shame/apathy' for some half done horror that I previously walked away from...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on February 17, 2019, 02:20:01 PM
These are very good - well done :-*
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on February 17, 2019, 06:52:12 PM
Though I'd better make a note of this before the grey matter looses the info:

Skin was 'flat flesh', washed with some thinned down very old citadel purple ink. highlighted 'flat flesh' & ' light flesh'.
The webbing was base coated 'Russian tank crew' or 'Russian uniform', and highlighted with 'khaki', then washed with 'olive green', the respirator bags were washed with 'Luftwaffe green'.
The battle dress was 'English uniform' shaded with 'German.cam black/brown'.Highlighted with 'English uniform' & 'khaki'.

The smocks where 'dark sand' with a little 'red leather' then a very thin wash of 'red leather'.
The green blotches were a mix of approx 60% 'olive green' & 40% 'ocher brown'.
The brown blotches were roughly 50/50 'hull red' & 'German cam. medium brown'

Pretty much the whole thing, uniform & webbing was dry brushed with 'khaki'.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Truscott Trotter on February 17, 2019, 11:03:23 PM
Bloody brilliant  :-*
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: carlos marighela on February 18, 2019, 02:39:54 AM
Feels like they are all staring at me...

They are. They're saying hurry up and do the rest of the platoon.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on February 18, 2019, 10:25:36 AM
They are. They're saying hurry up and do the rest of the platoon.

Not staring anymore, as I have redeployed them to a KR case!
I'm rather keen to crack on with more of these, they were very enjoyable to paint;
from Paul @ Empress's comment there are another sixteen on his desk staring at him, hopefully whispering " send some test minis to Ash you know it makes sense..."  ;)

I'm sure the figures in 'battle dress' would look better with some unit badges showing, I'm hunting decals...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: wrgmr1 on February 18, 2019, 06:22:36 PM
Those look excellent! I first saw them on the Wargamers Forum. Nice to see the extra photos.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on February 18, 2019, 08:03:45 PM
Those look excellent! I first saw them on the Wargamers Forum. Nice to see the extra photos.

Cheers for the comment. All the same pictures were posted there as well, but only finished pics go in the 'Gallery' section, the WIP pics are in the section for ongoing projects.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: wrgmr1 on February 18, 2019, 08:44:43 PM
Thanks, I'll have a look. Mine are under Winter Game Project, here and there.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: FreakyFenton on February 19, 2019, 04:46:25 PM
Cracking stuff, Ash! And thanks for the painting guide/tips!  :D
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on March 04, 2019, 05:20:31 PM
Thanks, apparently there are four new packs about to be released: kneeling with rifles, PIAT teams and blokes with Stens...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: FreakyFenton on March 04, 2019, 05:46:38 PM
Really? I might have to place an order then, might even mix with the Warlord Games Late War Brits in metal. Empress makes really lovely figs! Looking forward to seeing painted examples from you as well though!  :D ;)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Paul Hicks on March 04, 2019, 06:27:36 PM
Thanks, apparently there are four new packs about to be released: kneeling with rifles, PIAT teams and blokes with Stens...

No apparently about it! Should be out this week.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: FreakyFenton on March 04, 2019, 09:08:42 PM
Oh sweet!  :D
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Paratrooper 42 on March 06, 2019, 01:46:48 AM
Those are some really good sculpts and some great painting
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on March 06, 2019, 10:16:08 AM
Thanks for all the encouraging feedback; these have been great fun to paint.

No apparently about it! Should be out this week.

Good news, I sent an email off to Empress!

Also finally got hold of some suitable bases for the prone Bren team:

(https://i.ibb.co/0nVZZtD/28mm-WW2-British-prone-Bren-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/MDXk5Mt/28mm-WW2-British-prone-Bren-A-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: wrgmr1 on March 06, 2019, 05:11:45 PM
Excellent! Wonderful basing.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on March 12, 2019, 06:34:39 PM
Thanks, I think I'm now a convert to thiner MDF bases. If any more of these get released I'll put them all on something similar, probably redo the others...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Paul Hicks on March 13, 2019, 09:19:19 AM
Next batch have been released. They are up on the Empress website

http://www.empressminiatures.com/userimages/procart85.htm

Paul
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on March 13, 2019, 10:46:49 AM
Thanks very much for the 'heads up' Paul.

I had a look and found the new pictures on the FaceBook page; really looking forward to getting more of these, they are an absolute pleasure to paint.
Sent another order via email as the web site 'place an order' bit is still not liking me...

Curiosity question: Is the idea that the trousers can be painted as either standard Battle dress brown, or as the camo windproof over trousers?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on March 16, 2019, 02:15:03 PM
New toys:

(https://i.ibb.co/fHbL4Hk/WIP-LWB-part-2-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/HKXgx3z/WIP-LWB-part-2-B-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: FreakyFenton on March 16, 2019, 04:12:58 PM
Cool!  :o They look brilliant, I especially like the loader who rest on the PIAT ammo tin.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ballardian on March 16, 2019, 04:47:57 PM

 Great stuff, love these minis :-*
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on March 19, 2019, 08:45:00 PM
Quick snap of the PIP

(https://i.ibb.co/n8RSLSw/PIP-LWB-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Calimero on March 20, 2019, 11:39:12 AM

I though, from some pictures I saw on the web, that the « denison smocks » whore by the infantry were of a plain color (i.e. no camo scheme). Could this be right?

Really great work anyhow  8) :-* 8)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on March 20, 2019, 09:40:51 PM
I though, from some pictures I saw on the web, that the « denison smocks » whore by the infantry were of a plain color (i.e. no camo scheme). Could this be right?

Really great work anyhow  8) :-* 8)

The Denison smocks were generally the reserve of airbourne units. For combat operations the smocks were a brush stroke green and brown over a lighter khaki base colour. Made from a fairly heavy weight material.

(https://i.ibb.co/D9yqxjg/38670940-10156494935179477-7489454285889994752-n.jpg)

The 1943 pattern camo Windproof smocks were made from a lighter weight cotton gaberdine, and designed to be worn over the top of the battle dress uniform. I believe back in WW2 they were made in a sandy/khaki for desert use, white for snow and the camo pattern of pale green, brown and a reddish brown over a sandy pink base colour.

(https://i.ibb.co/xJYkkQg/s-l1600.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/7YXZzjZ/s-l1600-1.jpg)

Never found any period colour pictures of them, but you'll find historical reenactors (probably in repro smocks) sporting this look.

(https://i.ibb.co/ZxzDHWC/melookinghot.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/10JYJtF/img-6870.jpg)

Standard issue late WW2, Korea, Kenya (lots of full length zip mods). Also used by the French in IndoChina, Algeria etc.

(https://i.ibb.co/MpQZBFv/42069091-278807546096653-7257863702228046003-n.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/6mZG2LD/Mau-Mau-Rebellion-471-399-84-int-c1.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Truscott Trotter on March 20, 2019, 10:48:06 PM
IIRC I remember reading somewhere that in 45 Brit army snipers used the Denison when out of a stalk

EDIT Further info
https://www.onesixthwarriors.com/forum/sixth-scale-action-figure-news-reviews-and-discussion-/80746-british-sniper-1944-45-a.html
(http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/ap/a/a176821-v6.jpg)
(https://captainstevens.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/1944-10-06-Sgt-HA-Marshall-Calgary-Hdrs-Kapellen-Belgium-LAC-MIAN-3206370-150x150.jpg)

Also RM Commandos had Densions on D-Day
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: aphillathehun on March 20, 2019, 11:29:04 PM

Wow.  What great sculpts!  What great paint work!  Very impressive!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on March 26, 2019, 10:44:41 PM
Here's the third pack of figures with No:4 Mk 1 Lee Enfields

(https://i.ibb.co/KVxnLsx/28mm-Enfield-3-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/q0rFhLY/28mm-Enfield-3-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/0ZFsb09/28mm-Enfield-3-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/X8CqRV9/28mm-Enfield-3-A-LR.jpg)

... and the PIAT teams:

(https://i.ibb.co/S6chWpH/28mm-PIAT-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/K0xF2X2/28mm-PIAT-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/2KgwGPK/28mm-prone-PIAT-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/TM1DBW5/28mm-prone-PIAT-B-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: FreakyFenton on March 26, 2019, 11:10:04 PM
Cracking work!  :-*
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on March 27, 2019, 02:34:14 AM
Damn they look good.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on March 27, 2019, 08:59:25 AM
Nice.

The black background does hide some of the detail.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on March 27, 2019, 12:29:29 PM
Cheers for the feedback. Here are are the Sten gun packs:

(https://i.ibb.co/DQfTjZB/28mm-Sten-2-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/h1Y824F/28mm-Sten-2-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/hfghFmt/28mm-Sten-2-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/F81cP40/28mm-Sten-2-A-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/WKrJHCZ/28mm-Sten-1-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/XkQbkgg/28mm-Sten-1-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/7gW5Wm0/28mm-Sten-1-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/PmPyx35/28mm-Sten-1-A-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on March 27, 2019, 11:04:12 PM
Running out of ways to say great work.  lol
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Arthur on March 28, 2019, 12:21:32 AM
Ace indeed.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on March 29, 2019, 11:24:59 AM
Running out of ways to say great work.  lol

Always much appreciated. Painting these has got me tempted by the Volksgrenadiers - picked up a pack of MG42 teams to have a go at...

Here's a complete section, got one more section and then most of a command section with a few spares; should hopefully end up with a complete platoon + a few attachments

(https://i.ibb.co/gFDwGHk/28mm-Late-War-British-Section-1-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on March 30, 2019, 10:50:14 AM
Looking Forward to seeing you paint up some Volksgrenadier opposition to your Late War Brits.
Of course your lads, might want some armor support and transports.  ;)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on March 30, 2019, 04:41:37 PM
Looking Forward to seeing you paint up some Volksgrenadier opposition to your Late War Brits.
Of course your lads, might want some armor support and transports.  ;)

This little project has the potensial to get quite out of control...


The second complete section:

(https://i.ibb.co/jwn2Jj3/28mm-Late-War-British-Section-2-LR.jpg)

The only thing I would add to these are some bandoliers of stripper clips.
I'm sure I'll end up with 'doubles' of some figure before I finish the platoon so may have a go at adding some made from green stuff.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on March 30, 2019, 11:01:12 PM
I was actually thinking the same. And was looking at warlords separate weapons sprues for some bandoliers for my Late War US.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: clanmac on March 30, 2019, 11:56:56 PM
These have got a lovely look about them. Great colours, ace groundwork.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: wrgmr1 on March 31, 2019, 05:06:46 AM
Excellent work once again ash!

The Denison Smock was a light weight cover over the battledress uniform.
Beige cloth was laid on a concrete floor and women used mops the splash brown and green dye on them.
The white uniform was separately issued to special recon platoons but not the line companies.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on March 31, 2019, 06:21:36 PM
Excellent work once again ash!
Thanks very much.

The Denison Smock was a light weight cover over the battledress uniform.
Beige cloth was laid on a concrete floor and women used mops the splash brown and green dye on them.
The white uniform was separately issued to special recon platoons but not the line companies.
Bear in mind these models are line infantry, not Airborne; so not modelled wearing denison smocks, which were a fairly tough heavy weight cotton twill.
These blokes are kitted out with the light weight windproof over suits. Most noticable diference, aside from the camo, is these have a hood and no crotch flap as not designed for parachuting.
(https://i.ibb.co/pbQ600d/4th-KOSB-December-1944-Holl-zps3cd8fa46.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: carlos marighela on April 01, 2019, 02:33:13 AM
Excellent work once again ash!

The Denison Smock was a light weight cover over the battledress uniform.
Beige cloth was laid on a concrete floor and women used mops the splash brown and green dye on them.
The white uniform was separately issued to special recon platoons but not the line companies.

I suppose that depends on your definition of light. I had a mate who had an old Denison. Light is not a description I would apply. As Ash points out the Denison and the windproof are altogether different things.

Lovely painting on the rest of the range Ash!. Had Empress not lured me towards Vietnam, I would have been very tempted to start a British army for the period.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on April 01, 2019, 12:09:35 PM
Cheers Carlos. I must say the siren song of Mr Hicks' Vietnam sculpts is resonating very loudly, but I do now feel comitted to at least finishing off a full platoon of these chaps, plus maybe some Germans if I succumb to temptation at Salute. I did add a pack of MG42s to my last order to try out the camo...

Re the Denison/parachutist/airborne smocks, my understanding is that there were various versions during WW2.
Firstly a sleevless green thing roughly copied from the German step-in design that fastened around the top of the legs. Had a full length zip and was worn over webbing to prevent snagging (there was also a long sleeved version- probably a few trial versions before adopting the classic 'Denison'). The zips from these were later used to modify the over the head camo smocks.
Early camo versions were indeed probably painted by mop or brush with non colour fast vegitable dyes, when issued to SOE types, as the colours could be washed out.
The later issued to airborne units would have been made of material that had the pattern applied via screen printing and of a permanent dye type, prior to being assembled. Knitted cuffs and press stud fastening crotch flap.

Those standard issue Denison smocks seen with a full length zipper would have been modified, most likely by a unit taylor in the UK by using the zippers from the sleevless green version.
I think the first camo type was from 42-44 and another version addopted in '44.
There was also a rather more up market version, often seen to be sported by higher ranking officers; made in relatively small numbers by Windak for the Air Ministry. Made of gaberdene with a wool lined collar, had a full length zip as standard, top pockets at a slanted angle and was longer in the body.

(https://i.ibb.co/44HMNK6/browning.jpg)

Then there is Montgomery's rather bespoke looking camo jacket that may well have been made to order by his taylor...

(https://i.ibb.co/2KtfS0P/6ba71ec47e6574c30e76358237c064be.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/GcwWXyP/large-000000-1.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Eclaireur on April 01, 2019, 12:42:44 PM
Ash - the smocks in the picture you posted yesterday don't look camouflaged. And if you look in to this there are various different colours that seem to have been made
http://hmvf.co.uk/topic/24266-1st-pattern-british-army-windproof-smock-ww2/

I'm wondering whether you or others have unearthed any details about when the camouflage design came in and who it might have been issued to?
EC
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on April 01, 2019, 04:58:02 PM
Ash - the smocks in the picture you posted yesterday don't look camouflaged. And if you look in to this there are various different colours that seem to have been made
http://hmvf.co.uk/topic/24266-1st-pattern-british-army-windproof-smock-ww2/

I'm wondering whether you or others have unearthed any details about when the camouflage design came in and who it might have been issued to?
EC

Looking at the B&W photo it would be a hard task to make out any of the pattern, that and being infantry they have probably been liberally marinaded in mud!

The picture of Gen Browning (above), in his rather smart Denison, I can't really see the  camouflage pattern at all and if the colour is dropped from Monty's jacket it also goes a tad mono

(https://i.ibb.co/3s94ZSc/6ba71ec47e6574c30e76358237c064be-b-w.jpg)(https://i.ibb.co/yF3TLG2/6ba71ec47e6574c30e76358237c064be-LR.jpg)

The article you linked to refers to the camo pattern version as coming out in '43, which corresponds to what I've always heard it refered to. The early one pictured in the article shows that the general design of a hooded smock had been around for a while, just the materials and usage had been updated.
I assume that the intention, had the war progressed was that camo kit would have been issued to everyone. 
During WW2 the same camo was issued to armoured units in the form of camo tank suits often refered to as Pixie suits, they were still being issued until the 1960's when the colour shifted to black. No doubt cheaper to produce.
(https://i.ibb.co/N79m0Vj/camopixiesuit.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/kxT65gc/download-1.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/V26VM39/download.jpg)

The windproofs were widely deployed during the Korean War & Kenya (Mau Mau) lots of full length zipper mods.
(https://i.ibb.co/SDgJRKH/Colour-plate-LR.jpg)

A lot of the camo ended up issued to the French in Indochina in the '50's both as made up sets and just the printed material used to their own designs.
See a fair number of pics of the camo smocks used by SF blokes in sandy places in the 60's & '70's.
The sand coloured ones were still being issued during the first Gulf war in the '90's, probably still are.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Eclaireur on April 01, 2019, 05:45:10 PM
Thanks Ash - hadn't seen the tank suit before. Your point about B&W versus colour is well made.
We need some definitive info on the issues of these smocks, I guess. The pictures of desert sand, plain khaki, and olive 'monochrome' types are clear enough, even if the camo smock + trousers became the standard. It's interesting also that White's 'With the Scots' does not mention camouflage pattern, even though he does refer to windproof smocks a few times.
Thanks in any case and keep painting the new Empress releases - you've set the standard!
EC 
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on April 01, 2019, 08:03:46 PM
It's interesting also that White's 'With the Scots' does not mention camouflage pattern, even though he does refer to windproof smocks a few times.

EC

I'm so into that book at the mo, got about 120 pages left.
He does mention the windproof smocks, quite matter-of-factly, as though it was nothing special; which makes me think it was just a standard issue piece of kit by that stage. If one infantry battalion had them then I suppose the whole division would, and so on.
It's a shame there are so few photographs available, although the B&W previously posted is apparently of the KOSB. Also of note, if you take a close look at Peter White's sketches in the book, he has made a point of shading in the camo pattern on some of the smocks.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Eclaireur on April 01, 2019, 11:41:27 PM
Quote
if you take a close look at Peter White's sketches in the book, he has made a point of shading in the camo pattern on some of the smocks.

very good point Ash, had a close look at the drawings again after your post. The Forward Observer team are clearly wearing a camouflage smock. The other thing that's clear from most of those drawings is that Mk II helmets are appropriate ...
EC 
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on April 02, 2019, 08:05:59 AM
Had to save these images for later use. Will be awhile before I get an order for in for the these guys. But I have some long neglected French Paras who I can practice on.
I can't remember if you mentioned what paints you used. If you can tell me, I will write it down this time.  :D
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on April 02, 2019, 11:04:00 AM
@ commissarmoody: I really must start to make notes! I tend to just mix colours as I go with a lot of a 'that'll do' or 'looks the part' approach.
Which generally necessitates making it all up again the next time around. However thank to this forum I did type it out this time!

Though I'd better make a note of this before the grey matter looses the info:

Skin was 'flat flesh', washed with some thinned down very old citadel purple ink. highlighted 'flat flesh' & ' light flesh'.
The webbing was base coated 'Russian tank crew' or 'Russian uniform', and highlighted with 'khaki', then washed with 'olive green', the respirator bags were washed with 'Luftwaffe green'.
The battle dress was 'English uniform' shaded with 'German.cam black/brown'.Highlighted with 'English uniform' & 'khaki'.

The smocks where 'dark sand' with a little 'red leather' then a very thin wash of 'red leather'.
The green blotches were a mix of approx 60% 'olive green' & 40% 'ocher brown'.
The brown blotches were roughly 50/50 'hull red' & 'German cam. medium brown'

Pretty much the whole thing, uniform & webbing was dry brushed with 'khaki'.

I bought a pack of Germans with the last order, had to have a go; still very early stages...

(https://i.ibb.co/v4Lwmky/PIP-MG42-1-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/y6W6dMC/PIP-MG42-1-B-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: mrcleh on April 02, 2019, 12:28:45 PM
Very much looking forward to the finished Germans!

Would you mind sharing the colors you are using for the German camo?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry with a hint of Hun
Post by: Ash on April 02, 2019, 12:54:19 PM
Very much looking forward to the finished Germans!

Would you mind sharing the colors you are using for the German camo?

I bought the 'German Infantry Paint set' from Vallejo.
So far I base coated the smocks with 'German Cam Beige 821', the brown geometric shapes were 'German Medium Brown 826', the green bits a mix of 'Olive Green' & Ochre Brown' and the little rain fleks 'Luftwaffe Cam Green 823', the trousers were 'German Field Grey 830' and the helmets 'German Cam Dark Green 979'. I don't know if they are correct, but so far it sort of looks the part...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on April 02, 2019, 03:48:52 PM
Thanks for the colours, they will be very useful.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on April 02, 2019, 09:01:57 PM
Thank you for the paint list.  :D
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: mrcleh on April 02, 2019, 10:32:46 PM
Thanks, that will be helpful to me as well. Much appreciated!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on April 03, 2019, 10:19:11 AM
@ Eclaireur: I just found some interesting footage on Youtube; newsreel shot in Bremen in April '45.
If you skip to around 13:30 - 14:00 there is footage of British troops wearing the windproof smocks, even though B&W the camouflage pattern is quite clear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PxgxZ3QKDA

This one has loads:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIOhIyLENMg

@1:41 camo tank crew:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en3hkuc1QoM
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on April 03, 2019, 11:50:45 AM
Those are some great finds!  :D
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Eclaireur on April 03, 2019, 07:30:27 PM
Whoa! great stuff there Ash  ;D

And what's more it's the most satisfying type of research - because it validates the way you chose to paint yours  ;)

Random thoughts ...

- spring temperatures in that first vid, guys in BD trousers, shirts and light order. you could use Perry castings for that fighting!

- no sign of the camo over-trousers unless I missed it, just seems to be the smocks

- the great majority of those guys have no nets & scrim on their helmets, and of course Mk IIs. I get the feeling the nets & scrim were a Normandy thing

- interesting seeing some helmets painted white and that group in the white over suits + hemet covers

EC
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on April 03, 2019, 09:51:15 PM
I havent seen any pictures of troops using the windproof over trousers either, but I have painted some of mine wearing them because I know they existed and I like the look. For me these models were always going to be in camo windproofs, one of the reasons I bought them:

(https://i.ibb.co/S6chWpH/28mm-PIAT-C-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/7Sgtp2K/Late-WW2-British-1-A-LR-B-W.jpg)(https://i.ibb.co/pbQ600d/4th-KOSB-December-1944-Holl-zps3cd8fa46.jpg)

As for scrim and netting, a lot seen with & a lot without; could have been a personal preference, maybe it wore out and fell off over time, could be replacements (either men or helmets) are the ones with out or vice versa. Who knows, if it's sculpted onto the helmets I'll paint it, if it's not I'll choose different colours. I'd like to see some MKII helmets in this range; with a bit of scrim & netting, with nothing and some with a look of material to paint white. I recall seeing a comment (could be the Empress Facebook page), where someone asked about MkII helmets and I think the answer was that there would be some in the range...

Back to the book:
I always asumed that the battle dress jackets were worn under the windproofs, but Peter White made an interesting comment in his book (pg 513):

"Our kitbags finally reached us...This enabeled us to pull out our battledress and put it on for the first time in many weeks, discarding for the time being our filthy, battle-ripped, windproof smocks"

So now I'm wondering what's underneath. Most of the figures are sculpted with the sleevless leather jerkin, either over battle dress or under the windproofs, but what was under that..?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Danger Close Miniatures on April 04, 2019, 01:04:23 AM
They probably wore vest, shirt and jumper under the smock. Which is similar to what I've been wearing under a windproof smock for years, the modern smocks are made of the same material as the WW2 ones. Interestingly, no one I know has ever worn the windproof over-trousers actually over trousers, they're still issued as well.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on April 04, 2019, 09:10:27 AM
They probably wore vest, shirt and jumper under the smock. Which is similar to what I've been wearing under a windproof smock for years, the modern smocks are made of the same material as the WW2 ones. Interestingly, no one I know has ever worn the windproof over-trousers actually over trousers, they're still issued as well.

Sounds about right. I still have mine from late '80's, but I don't think they were designed to wear ontop of other kit (other than the thermal long johns) as the 'cut' was not that baggy, shame could have done with some 'large' as my once racing-snake like frame is rather more rotund these days!

The closest I've got so far in finding any pictures of the trousers is this:
(https://i.ibb.co/vmZrVnn/9f10f27606a2a634a499dae591018baf.jpg)
Which I think was from the box art of a model kit, there maybe a photo on which it was based, but so far I haven't seen it.

There are a few pictures of troops in the white suits, so may go that route with future releases...
(https://i.ibb.co/k1bjFZt/5592904b332a571a7b2e37579dc6ea71.png)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: tin shed gamer on April 04, 2019, 09:57:11 AM
Ash here a few pictures of ventile clothing all are original pieces plus a couple of the most common jumpers issued.
Hope it's helpful.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: carlos marighela on April 05, 2019, 01:03:07 AM
Chap at the bottom with the 'tache is doing an excellent James Beck impression. Is he trying to offload some black market petrol coupons?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on April 05, 2019, 10:38:21 AM
Chap at the bottom with the 'tache is doing an excellent James Beck impression. Is he trying to offload some black market petrol coupons?

I was thinking there was a definite look of Pvt Walker about him. Great collection of pictures.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uZ9NVgq4J8
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & German
Post by: Ash on April 19, 2019, 09:16:27 AM
Picked up some more packs of Volksgrenadiers @ Salute.

Still a fair amount to do:

(https://i.ibb.co/9qNVbSb/WIP-VG-1-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/KWLfKJ8/WIP-VG-2-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/4ZH2r4r/WIP-VG-3-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/BfvCVcR/WIP-VG-4-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: FreakyFenton on April 19, 2019, 03:54:49 PM
They do look nice!  :D
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: .:Gunslinger:. on April 19, 2019, 11:07:51 PM
Fantastic painting! I love the camo!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on April 20, 2019, 12:27:15 AM
Great! Just great!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: carlos marighela on April 20, 2019, 05:58:39 AM
Ooh! Now that is nice.   :-*
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on April 23, 2019, 01:03:23 PM
Thanks for the feedback chaps.

These could probably do with some more drybrushing and mud

(https://i.ibb.co/QY7KNS6/VG1-front-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/zXpX6dh/VG1-rear-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/RpgPc78/VG4-front-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/qdLxhjd/VG4-rear-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: .:Gunslinger:. on April 23, 2019, 01:35:41 PM
Proper nice! Excellent camo and overall look, really digging the bases as well!

I am currently painting more of these as well, an absolute joy!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on April 23, 2019, 02:53:01 PM
@ Gunslinger: Thanks very much. It's only when looking at them on screen that all those little bits that could be tweaked suddenly jump out. Aside from several bits that the flash shows to be in need of more matt varnish, the little green patches of the camo could probably do with being reduced, and as for the eyes (my least favourite part of the process)...

I am happy with the bases, I tried out some Vallejo 'European mud', came in a pot via Amazon - new favourite product. Then after a fairly steep learning curve, I think I'm managing to make self adhesive grass tufts that look the part. At least I haven't managed to give myself any more electric shocks..!

(https://i.ibb.co/mzJjVnx/VG10-front-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/ssRYV5S/VG10-rear-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on April 24, 2019, 01:39:33 AM
They still look great to me.  lol
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: carlos marighela on April 24, 2019, 02:24:40 AM
I think you are due to be crowned the new Camo King. of LAF.

The mud is good. I haven't used it for basing but flicked and daubed it works a treat on the lower bits of vehicles.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: mrcleh on April 24, 2019, 08:16:39 AM
Stunning work! :o

I love the camo and the bases look great!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on April 24, 2019, 08:33:34 AM
Very nice camo, and great bases.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: bergschotten on April 24, 2019, 08:37:00 AM
Lovely figures beautifully painted and photographed.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & German
Post by: Ash on April 24, 2019, 12:19:27 PM
Thanks very much for all the kind and encouraging feedback, always appreciated, please feel free to point out anything that doesn't look right (it's the only way to learn).

Here's the last of them:

(https://i.ibb.co/Qj0RCjV/VG9-front-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/2tBD5sr/VG9-rear-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/VDXVssx/VG8-front-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/GTjyq8G/VG8-rear-LR.jpg)

Currently got a few more 20mm BAOR to do to finish off a platoon; then hopefully there will be some new 28mm British some time soon, but very tempted by the new Hue 68 marines...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: .:Gunslinger:. on April 24, 2019, 01:02:28 PM
Lovely! :-*
You are shelling these out so quickly, I'm still on my second squad only.Really like the whitewash on the helmets!
Will you paint vehicles to go along as well?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & German
Post by: Ash on April 24, 2019, 03:42:36 PM
@ Gunslinger: Cheers, I'm my own worst enemy, always end up with too many at one time and decide to paint them at the same time. Sometime I'm going to have to try just doing one model, see if the results are any better.

I forgot about this pack, still in the camera:

(https://i.ibb.co/M2p9JcQ/VG12-front-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/W51c74r/VG12-rear-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: .:Gunslinger:. on April 24, 2019, 04:14:49 PM
You are way too harsh with yourself - they are really well painted!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Shahbahraz on April 24, 2019, 08:32:53 PM
Lovely work. I'm looking at these for inspiration for a late war German platoon for Chain of Command, but it will be some time before I get to that one. The camo works really well, and I am looking at the positioning of the green patches for guidance.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: FreakyFenton on April 25, 2019, 05:09:45 PM
Cracking job on the Sumpfmuster/Splittertarn!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Harry Faversham on May 06, 2019, 04:30:04 AM
Just read a little gem on uniform conversions used by the Canadians in Holland, January 1945, in what the Dutch called the severest winter for fifty years. Canadians on the front line cut the sleeves from issue greatcoats and sewed them to their leather jerkins. They also 'liberated' a large stock of Jerry Para smocks that they took to wearing, but the rear echelon Brass put a stop to that as soon as it was reported!

:)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on May 06, 2019, 04:45:49 AM
That's pretty cool, but can understand ordering the troops to stop useing captured German camo.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Harry Faversham on May 06, 2019, 05:16:38 AM
Still caused a bit of agg though C. The Brasshat who stopped it was a British Brigadier and not well thought of by the Canucks. He visited a Canadian 25pdr. Regiment and saw some of the lads wearing the smocks. Assured that the Regiment's FOOs didn't wear them up the line (actually they did!) he still ordered the unit to lose the Jerry tackle.

:(
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on May 06, 2019, 05:46:06 AM
  It's the mission of useless higher ranking REMFs to make life as miserable/difficult as possible for front line units.  lol
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on September 08, 2019, 11:49:04 AM
Reinforcements have arrived...


(https://i.ibb.co/9YCc62r/WIP-WW2-British-HQ-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: FreakyFenton on September 08, 2019, 01:51:53 PM
Sweet! The bagpiper is cool!  :o
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on September 08, 2019, 04:53:43 PM
Sweet! The bagpiper is cool!  :o

Working out the correct tartan is proving a tad less obvious than imagined.
Going to do the kilt in Leslie tartan, although Royal Stewart has also been suggested, so may do the pipes in that.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ragnar on September 09, 2019, 10:37:40 AM
Looking forward to seeing these done up.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on September 09, 2019, 12:03:56 PM
Looking forward to seeing these done up.

Been waiting for new minis in this range for a while, and now I've ended up with a load of other stuff; eight more Nam marines already primed & a 1/16 Rhodesian figure that is nearly prepped for paint.
Not sure what to attack first...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: moiterei_1984 on September 09, 2019, 07:39:18 PM
Those Brits of course  ;)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: FreakyFenton on September 11, 2019, 09:32:11 PM
Working out the correct tartan is proving a tad less obvious than imagined.
Going to do the kilt in Leslie tartan, although Royal Stewart has also been suggested, so may do the pipes in that.

I think the blokes on the Warlord side used Leslie tartan. But I'd imagine royal stewart would be a nice blotch of colour too.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on September 12, 2019, 05:12:11 PM
I'm going for the Leslie, after looking at the Royal Stewart and recalling all my previous attempts at painting anything red (other than the odd spot of blood) I think I'm going to chicken out of attempting it, so the pipes will match the kilt...

I've started on these, and the Nam figures, and the big bloke; then five modern SF minis arrived so they are now based and primed as well!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: FreakyFenton on September 13, 2019, 01:07:51 PM
Nice! Looking forward to it!  :D
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on September 26, 2019, 02:00:09 PM
The Brits won the painting race, USMC still in need of some weathering...

This is pack LB8

(https://i.ibb.co/BfD53Zk/LB8-2-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/zF3bxG1/LB8-2-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/N6YqJXq/LB8-2-C-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: FreakyFenton on September 26, 2019, 04:42:17 PM
Good job on the smock of the two radiomen. The pair with the greatcoats also look cracking though!
Might have to invest in a few!  :D
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on September 26, 2019, 07:23:52 PM
I wasn't sure of the colour for the greatcoats so went with a mix of vallejo chocolate and khaki.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: FreakyFenton on September 26, 2019, 08:52:44 PM
Quick google search has left me with varying colours for them. Mainly shades of green and brown, so I suppose your idea was spot on.  :D
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on September 26, 2019, 09:41:54 PM
I drybrushed them with some khaki, and then gave them a wash with some fieldgrey, which just about disappeared once dry. At least they are a differnt tone to the trousers.

Here's the other new pack LB9, and as per usual I missed something, the sniper's scope needs some clear smoke/grey on the lens...

(https://i.ibb.co/L9dGSDd/LB9-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/D1gTWnM/LB9-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/9rhKxjf/LB9-C-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ragnar on September 26, 2019, 10:03:20 PM
Very nice Ash.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: FreakyFenton on September 27, 2019, 11:43:18 AM
Bagpiper is my favourite of the bunch! The others are also superb though!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on September 28, 2019, 01:40:38 AM
Lovey figs and great paint job.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on September 28, 2019, 10:50:36 AM
Thanks guys. I switched cameras and after a fair amount of faffing around got the white balance for these pretty close, which makes me realise how 'warm' the other finished shots look, so may do some re-shoot group shots...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on November 01, 2019, 08:47:02 AM
Looking forward to a group shot. Are you contemplating adding some Armor and or transports for these guys in the future?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on November 08, 2019, 12:17:04 PM
@ commissarmoody:  I think if I go down the tanks route it could all escalate badly (for my wallet)! That said I'd get a Kangaroo APC

Here's the next  group; 'Ruperts'.
LB10
(https://i.ibb.co/yScBdQ8/LB10-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/7tKR3X1/LB10-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/800Pt9r/LB10-C-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Eclaireur on November 08, 2019, 01:03:29 PM
Cracking stuff Ash! The Scottish officer is a stunning casting. Will be picking up this pack at Reading  :D
I've already got a Kangaroo and a Weasel and am thinking of getting a Rubicon Buffalo also ...
EC
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on November 09, 2019, 11:26:12 AM
Damn they look Great!
And yes a kangaroo or two would help. Modern war means that infantry to get dry their feet off every once in awhile.  lol
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on November 09, 2019, 08:18:46 PM
@ Eclaireur: Cheers, having a lot of fun with these. That chap in the duffel coat and the tam o'shanter is definitly a favorite; technically they are all 'Scots'; 4th Battalion KOSB, 52nd Lowland Div, as per Peter White's superb book 'With The Scots'.

@ commissarmoody: I may get the Germans a halftrack, or two...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: marrony on November 09, 2019, 08:24:29 PM
Those lads are brilliant!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on November 10, 2019, 07:05:47 PM
Cheers marrony, much appreciated.

Also dug this bloke out of the bits box. Was a freebie at Salute a few years back.

(https://i.ibb.co/WkztPft/Salute-mini-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: carlos marighela on November 10, 2019, 09:14:06 PM
I suspect that the officer’s coat is actually a private purchase or Royal Navy duffle coat. These were popular with officers in winter. I still have my grandfather’s one. The British Army greatcoat lacked a hood. If you can make ‘em out on the figure there should be little horn toggles to fasten it (easier than buttons when wearing gloves).

Duffle coats were a rather warm sandy or fawn colour.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on November 11, 2019, 05:10:18 AM
Nice, wasn't he supposed to be the guy who directed folks off the Beach on D-day?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Volleyfire! on November 11, 2019, 06:26:15 PM
Nice, wasn't he supposed to be the guy who directed folks off the Beach on D-day?
Indeed he was.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Maud (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Maud)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on November 12, 2019, 10:12:38 AM
Duffle coats were a rather warm sandy or fawn colour.

I seem to recall the colour being refered to somewhere as 'camel' . I tried a khaki basecoat, a thin wash of dark brown, then highlighted with more khaki then a mix of khaki & dark sand, looks a tad dark in the pics. I'll have a go at putting some command groups together and take some lighter pictures.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Shahbahraz on November 12, 2019, 10:22:41 AM
I saw some originals many years ago, and they varied from a khaki to a warm sandy colour (camel).
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on November 13, 2019, 10:14:11 AM
Command groups

(https://i.ibb.co/HPhdxHG/Command-group-1-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/JBnw7kJ/Command-group-2-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on November 13, 2019, 10:40:54 AM
Nice!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on December 19, 2019, 07:18:54 PM
Picked up a box of 28mm WW2 British paras from eBay:

(https://i.ibb.co/QCnZdD3/Para-Section-1-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/wpYvMnD/Para-Section-1-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/dj5P9Lb/Para-Section-1-C-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: FreakyFenton on December 19, 2019, 07:43:43 PM
They look cracking. Are these the Warlord ones?  ???
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on December 19, 2019, 08:46:08 PM
Are these the Warlord ones?  ???


Yes they are; metal ten man section inc Bren

Here's the next four:

(https://i.ibb.co/rb47Drk/Para-Section-2-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/vVgvZD4/Para-Section-2-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Dwr2pBp/Para-Section-2-C-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Harry Faversham on December 19, 2019, 11:46:06 PM
Stunning mate, lovely Paras...
lose the stripes on the Corporal's left arm though.

 ;)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: carlos marighela on December 20, 2019, 01:18:57 AM
IIRC those are the last of the Hicks sculpted former Bolt Action figures. I have another of the packs floating about somewhere.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Paul Hicks on December 20, 2019, 06:47:11 AM
IIRC those are the last of the Hicks sculpted former Bolt Action figures. I have another of the packs floating about somewhere.

Yep my sculpts from when I owned Boltaction Miniatures. Sculpted back in 2006. Ash has done a great job on them.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Shahbahraz on December 20, 2019, 07:25:46 AM
And I understand almost impossible to obtain nowadays.  :(

What the world needs are Paul Hicks sculpted BEF... (he said, innocently).
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on December 20, 2019, 09:36:12 AM
Yep my sculpts from when I owned Boltaction Miniatures. Sculpted back in 2006. Ash has done a great job on them.

Some great faces in there, but I have to say I think your latest creations are even better. The late war Brits (Scots) are absolutely superb.

Tom & Jerry
(https://i.ibb.co/6ZMqdC3/Tom-Jerry-LR.jpg)

Stunning mate, lovely Paras...
lose the stripes on the Corporal's left arm though.

 ;)

Interesting; thanks for info.
I was using the Osprey book 'The Paras: British Airborne Forces 1940-1984' as a guide, and the pics of NCOs show chevrons on both sleeves so I just went ok and copied the illustrations.
(https://i.ibb.co/920LVwq/PARA-NCO-LR.jpg)

Here's the Bren team
(https://i.ibb.co/Cb4J54T/Para-Bren-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/wQZQncR/Para-Bren-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/5Krkd0g/Para-Bren-C-LR.jpg)
Boll@cks! Forgot to do the butt plates...


And I understand almost impossible to obtain nowadays.  :(


Found these on eBay, still in the box (slightly squashed) £11.50 + p&p.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Shahbahraz on December 20, 2019, 10:03:35 AM
Oh. That was a good score. I wish my eBay skills were on a par.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Eclaireur on December 20, 2019, 10:37:01 AM
It's a great shame we can't buy the classic Bolt Action castings anymore. Paul (or anyone else!) I'm assuming Warlords have the rights to make them still? Has anyone ever voiced the idea of a time limited reissue? 
EC
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on December 20, 2019, 02:26:05 PM
This one on eBay; £15 inc p&p


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BOLT-ACTION-10-METAL-28mm-FIGURES-BRITISH-PARATROOP-SECTION/233389375377?hash=item3657173f91:g:BkgAAOSw2Xtdvu4u
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Shahbahraz on December 20, 2019, 05:14:54 PM
Unfortunately too late, I went with another manufacturer supplemented by some of the Warlord Games metals still available. In an ideal world I could afford to buy those, and hope another two sections became available someday, and retire the existing ones..  My other hope is the Renegade Miniatures ones coming back into production. Every so often I check their website only to have my hopes dashed again.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: FreakyFenton on December 20, 2019, 09:14:45 PM
Not to derail the thread, I do however have the contents of that box kicking about. 10 blokes, some primer on, unfinished. Shah, if you wanted them?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Eclaireur on December 20, 2019, 10:35:32 PM
sorry people - I think I misunderstood the situation and thought these Para section castings were no longer available, but now I see them on the Warlord website. Are all of those metal British Para packs designed by Paul Hicks?
EC
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Paul Hicks on December 21, 2019, 01:10:55 AM
sorry people - I think I misunderstood the situation and thought these Para section castings were no longer available, but now I see them on the Warlord website. Are all of those metal British Para packs designed by Paul Hicks?
EC

Yes they where.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: carlos marighela on December 21, 2019, 02:24:06 AM
Not surprisingly they remain the best of Warlord’s offerings. I tend to think of Voldemort Games not so much as a manufacturer but a venture capital outfit that buys up companies and asset strips them. Christ knows why they replaced Paul’s other ranges, the replacements aren’t a patch on the original BA stuff.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on December 21, 2019, 04:50:11 AM
They look Great!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Shahbahraz on December 21, 2019, 11:53:04 AM
Not to derail the thread, I do however have the contents of that box kicking about. 10 blokes, some primer on, unfinished. Shah, if you wanted them?

PM me how much you want for them :)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Truscott Trotter on December 21, 2019, 10:28:49 PM
My Paras are a mix of Warlord metals Foundry and Black Tree the first two mix in perfectly the latter is a bit hit and miss.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Shahbahraz on December 22, 2019, 12:15:35 AM
And that reminds me it's now a year since I ordered Early War Germans from Black Tree and they still haven't corrected the original order after a year of emailing them about the missing packs...

So I send them another email, log another complaint with consumeradvice, and keep telling people about mine and other's experiences with them. It's kind of a Christmas tradition for me now.

So remember kids.. DON'T ORDER FROM BTD, AS THEY WILL STIFF YOU.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Eclaireur on December 22, 2019, 03:07:09 PM
Thanks for that info about the Paras Paul - in that case a true mark of quality for range :D
I am waiting with bated breath for the next round of your British Empress sculpts  ;D I'm hearing great things from Paul E,
EC
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on December 23, 2019, 03:13:18 AM
Thanks for that info about the Paras Paul - in that case a true mark of quality for range :D
I am waiting with bated breath for the next round of your British Empress sculpts  ;D I'm hearing great things from Paul E,
EC
Do tell!  :D
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on December 23, 2019, 09:50:23 AM
Do tell!  :D

Yes indeed, what's next? Support weapons?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Eclaireur on December 23, 2019, 03:45:12 PM
well Mr Hicks will know far better than I ! But I heard some more guys in battledress and jerkin (without windproof) and with Mark II helmet.
EC
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Harry Faversham on December 23, 2019, 05:49:33 PM

Interesting; thanks for info.
I was using the Osprey book 'The Paras: British Airborne Forces 1940-1984' as a guide, and the pics of NCOs show chevrons on both sleeves so I just went ok and copied the illustrations.
(https://i.ibb.co/920LVwq/PARA-NCO-LR.jpg)


Great illustrations, but some of 'em (typical of Osprey) miss by a mile, don't paint Airlanding Brigade blokes with them big yellow flashes either, they're post war. The bloke in the piccys is a member of the Glider Pilot Regiment, they often wore rank chevrons on both sleeves of the Denison smock, just to muddy the waters a bit more. Paratroopers and Air Landing blokes right arm only on the Denison. It's a small point, but with the standard you paint to...
get it right yew 'orrible little man yew!!!

;)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on December 24, 2019, 12:43:21 AM
well Mr Hicks will know far better than I ! But I heard some more guys in battledress and jerkin (without windproof) and with Mark II helmet.
EC
Not bad, got to give those guys some love. But still hope to see more in windproofs and mark 3's to help finish up this part of the line. Need those crew served, support, engines and arty. Especially the shot moutain guns.  lol
See we are never satisfied! ;)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on December 26, 2019, 10:40:56 AM
Great illustrations, but some of 'em (typical of Osprey) miss by a mile, don't paint Airlanding Brigade blokes with them big yellow flashes either, they're post war. The bloke in the piccys is a member of the Glider Pilot Regiment, they often wore rank chevrons on both sleeves of the Denison smock, just to muddy the waters a bit more. Paratroopers and Air Landing blokes right arm only on the Denison. It's a small point, but with the standard you paint to...
get it right yew 'orrible little man yew!!!

;)


Cheers Harry, I spotted his pilot wings, I just liked that picture.
There are a couple of other plates in the book with chevrons on both sleeves, but having looked at a lot of pics of period Deisons there do seem to be more with chevrons on the one sleeve than both inc GPR blokes. Also even more with no badges (wings) at all.

What do you make of this one;

(https://i.ibb.co/7Rjy887/PARA-NCO-3-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Shahbahraz on December 26, 2019, 11:27:52 AM
'Make sure it's sitting well off to the side, or you won't be telling any tales to your grandkids'

:)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Harry Faversham on December 26, 2019, 01:50:00 PM

What do you make of this one;

(https://i.ibb.co/7Rjy887/PARA-NCO-3-LR.jpg)

I love all the illustrations in that Osprey. Two particular favourites are the Suez Para with Sten mag in top pocket, and the Bandit Country Jimpy gunner with the long hair.
There's a couple of piccys of early war Paratroops training at Ringway wearing wings across their rank chevrons, if memory serves they're in the 'For King and Country' book about Airborne uniforms?

:)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Harry Faversham on December 26, 2019, 02:01:54 PM

Cheers Harry, I spotted his pilot wings, I just liked that picture.
There are a couple of other plates in the book with chevrons on both sleeves, but having looked at a lot of pics of period Deisons there do seem to be more with chevrons on the one sleeve than both inc GPR blokes. Also even more with no badges (wings) at all.


(https://i.ibb.co/7Rjy887/PARA-NCO-3-LR.jpg)

It's a great subject from which to get egg on yer face from spouting off about, as I'm wont to do. F'rinstance most of the Recce lads were jump wing wearing Paratroopers who joined up with their glider borne jeeps on the L/Zs. Then there's the Airborne Landing Brigade Troops, looking almost identical to the Paras, till you gorm there's no jump wings at all. Each time I finish the ultimate 'Airborne Uniform Tablet of Stone', something new crops up, and I cast it down and start chiseling away again!

::)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Cubs on December 26, 2019, 02:42:53 PM
There's a couple of piccys of early war Paratroops training at Ringway wearing wings across their rank chevrons, if memory serves they're in the 'For King and Country' book about Airborne uniforms?


That's a superb reference book. It's not cheap, but is an enormously rich source for painting and understanding the British (plus Commonwealth and Polish) airborne kit of WW2. Paul Hicks' guys are early war, with the Mk1 Denison smock (with ribbed cuffs), but there's absolutely no reason why guys later in the war would not be wearing older style stuff they've retained, or been issued with from a quartermaster with early issue gear.

Soldiers sewed on their wings, patches and stripes themselves, so atypical combinations of placing might be expected. Someone who has newly acquired jump wings and transferred from Glider Airborne to Para may not have the time (or inclination) to remove a set of stripes too, plus NCO's (and officers) didn't always display their rank badges in battle to avoid being sniper bait, so it's always going to be a muddle.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on December 26, 2019, 05:06:45 PM
 'For King and Country', sounds like a good target for a new book hunt!

@ Harry: One thing about these Paras I found hard to pin down was the colour of the berets. I saw a lot of illustrations/ pictures of painted minis with them wearing very red (like modern MPs) berets, I went for more of a modern purple'ish shade of maroon, as I thought the WW2 SAS red was a different shade from the Paras. Any idea which is more acurate?

Also just found this picture by Mike Chappell of a Suez Para (note very scarlet red beret)

(https://i.ibb.co/NxJM1Wc/Suez-Para-LR.jpg)

This looks interesting:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/2352502055/?coliid=I3STSVBN60NHQQ&colid=1B3B64XV3XWEC&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Harry Faversham on December 26, 2019, 05:51:59 PM
Plus NCO's (and officers) didn't always display their rank badges in battle to avoid being sniper bait, so it's always going to be a muddle.

"Men At Arnhem' sums this up perfectly, Major Tom Angus ordering his Occifers and NCOs to remove rank badges as he became concerned at the way he thought Jerry snipers were singling them out.

:o
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Danger Close Miniatures on December 26, 2019, 07:56:52 PM
That's the thing about maroon berets, they're not as red as people think. I think this is a good example of variation, between the new ones of the crows and the faded ones of the instructors.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on December 27, 2019, 08:53:18 AM
On the subject of beret colours, someone on this forum was using the unfortunately named Citadel Screamer Pink very successfully for Airborne berets.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: tin shed gamer on December 27, 2019, 10:46:39 AM
Maroon always has been always will be.

It's a peculiar fabric colour to paint in scale as it changes with the play of light .
As demonstrated in the photograph the colour reflected from the plain of the CO's and WO2's berets is also caught in the creases of the troopers beret.Whilst further down the file this shade isn't visible.Not because they're new or older berets simply because of the light(we always naturally and automatically assume its a clear sky and photo's are taken in the open with out the influenced of shade.)
Thats not to say older berets don't fade. It's my personal experience that the colour lightens not to a red hue but a pink and yellow hue. On the plain and ridges.(God help you if your trying to wearing one that knackered .)
Personally I'd avoid using any reference material that uses painted illustrations.Over full colour photographs of origional kit.
Europa Militeria publications tend to be more affordable and use modern full colour photographs of people in period kit .

This is one of those misnomers that pop up all the time.
Mainly Because one phrase is niggling the back of your bonce.
"The Red Devils"
This as many know is a phrase coined by the Germans.But it doesn't originate as the discription of the beret colour(your average joe isnt familiar with a colour wheel so maroon is a reddish colour to most people.)
It's a combination of the beret colour ,units fighting style,and a sporting metaphor.
In the mid thirties the French coined the phrase to descibe the aggressive and relentless style of British football (Manchester United in particular.)
Just like Tommies it's a nickname but one that describes a subcategory by using  a common reference .As Paratroopers were a new concept for both sides and not instantly recognized as a term for aggressive and tenacious opponents.
So it's not a great leap to link the nickname of well known aggressive british team to aggressive british troops in reddish berets.
To instantly convey what type of opponents they are to others who haven't faced them .
It always sounds tenuous once you've the advantage of history and hindsight.Rather than It being in the moment.
Who doesn't remember having to look up where on earth the Falklands where(all of us in the school library trying to figure out where are parents where being sent)? Today it's pretty much a given to know where they are.

(Sorry about that it's one of those things you can say in seconds but takes hours to read.)

In short I stick with a maroon based coat dark blue to shade and pale pink and yellow to highlight .
Coz it matches me own ;)


Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Harry Faversham on December 27, 2019, 11:29:45 AM
Some say the nickname was first coined in Tunisia. The dust in the hills covered everything in a reddish hue. When the Paras came at the Germans with the tail of their smocks swinging loose (that pattern Denison not having press studs to hook them at the back) covered in red dust the Jerry's called them 'Red Devils'.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/2nd_Btn_Parachute_Regiment_Tunisia.jpg)

:o
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: tin shed gamer on December 27, 2019, 03:39:21 PM
Ah the Pathe News PR version.
It wasn't a term of endearment and was used before Tunisia.Tunisia just became a plausible way to qualify and take heroic ownership of the term. It played out in a similar way to the myth of carrots and night vision.( better to have a nickname that invokes visions of heroism in the public eye than the fact that it refers to your loved ones as dirty hard core nasty pasties)
The big problem with that version (once you take a closer look)is every man and his dog was covered in it regardless of unit or nationality.
So singling out one unit as been noticeably covered in it when you blow your nose and thats all that comes out.Seem a little odd.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Harry Faversham on December 27, 2019, 07:59:12 PM
But, but. I thought it was because only devils have tails?

 ???
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: tin shed gamer on December 27, 2019, 08:50:09 PM
Now you've managed to find the second seed of truth in the myth.
The Mk1 half zip smock. Was deemed the best issue for the theatre .As the patterns field is a sand colour and more predominant than the subsequent marks.(so if your after paras in North Africa and in to Sicily then a more sand/yellow coloured smock is the way to go.)
It was common practice/fashion to bumble around with tail hanging down off duty(non airborne smocks didn't have a nappy.)
'The men with tails' was an Arab nickname. Which is then thrown into the PR mix.

I'll take some time tomorrow and see if I dig some images out of a few books of modern photos of period clothing to help pop this back on track.
TSG.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Harry Faversham on December 28, 2019, 12:10:05 AM
Great stuff, Looking forward to seeing the piccys.

 :)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on December 28, 2019, 01:15:36 AM
Got to love those nicknames. The regiment i servied with was 504 PIR, "Devils in Baggy Pants" was supposedly called that by Germans in the fighting around Anzio.
The full quote being something to the effect of.
"American paratroopers attack us day and night. Giveing us no rest. God save us from these black hearted devils in baggy paints."
Now i would have gone with the moniker of "Black hearts". But who knows if its even true or not refureing to the joint Canadian-American first Special Warfare unit also operating in thst area?  lol
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: carlos marighela on December 28, 2019, 03:26:52 AM
If all of these nicknames are to be believed, Red Devils, Green Devils, Devil Dogs, etc, etc, then one can only conclude that the German soldier was a singularly unimaginative soul or somehow obsessed with eternal perdition.

Somehow, I fancy their origin stems either from the units keenly desiring such a soubriquet  and projecting it on to the lips of their opponents or, perhaps, the fervid imaginations of folk who would have every German soldier shouting out ‘Gott in Himmel!’ or ‘Achtung Spitfeur!’ in a caption bubble whenever a plucky Tommy or doubty GI appeared on the horizon.

Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Harry Faversham on December 28, 2019, 09:58:09 AM
One thing about these Paras I found hard to pin down was the colour of the berets.

Off the peg, Vallejo Burnt Red, is a good start for 'Red Devils' headgear.

(https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images1/360/1213/20/commando-comics-181-187-excellent_360_87cd3e267e15993af8a69061e2f7761e.jpg)

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTEosZL9xMHk5xBRBvdiCScxa59hSzuEipyz1dZAcnsI20U5Vtj&s)

 :)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: carlos marighela on December 28, 2019, 10:17:28 AM
 lol lol lol
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on December 28, 2019, 10:36:42 AM
Quickly fallowed by the hanz scream.  ::)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Shahbahraz on December 28, 2019, 10:53:16 AM
Quickly fallowed by the hanz scream.  ::)

Isn't the next line...  'Kamerad!!!!' ?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on December 28, 2019, 10:57:54 AM
Yep!
"Sneil Sneil! Ze English Swinhounds are breaking thru!"
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on December 28, 2019, 01:12:59 PM
In the spirit of things I think any further Para additions should look like this:

(https://i.ibb.co/WFTy8bV/Battle-picture-library-1444-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on December 28, 2019, 01:37:54 PM
Yes, and dont forget the dagger in the teeth for close in work.  lol
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: tin shed gamer on December 28, 2019, 01:50:37 PM
Here's a little Canadian Para humour of the time.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Harry Faversham on December 28, 2019, 02:15:15 PM
Seeing as how this fine thread's gone bonkers, let's have a sing song...

The Merry Month of May.
To the tune of 'Far Far Away'

On her leg she wears a silken garter,
she wears it in the springtime, in the merry month of May,
And if you ask her why the hell she wears it,

She wears it for her paratrooper,
Far, far away.
Far, far away,
She wears it for her paratrooper,
Far, far away.

Around the park she wheels a perambulator,
She wheels in in the springtime in the merry month of May,
And if you ask her why the hell she wheels it,

She wheels it for her paratrooper,
Far, far away.
Far, far away,
She wheels it for her paratrooper,
Far, far away.

Behind the door her father keeps a shotgun,
He keeps it in the springtime, in the merry month of May,
And if you ask him why the hell he keeps it,

He keeps it for that paratrooper,
Far, far away.
Far, far away,
He keeps it for that paratrooper,
Far, far away.

The paratrooper went to his unit,
He joined it in the springtime in the merry month of May,
And if you ask him why the hell he joined it,
He joined it to be very, very,

Far, far away.
Far, far away,
He joined it to be very, very,
Far, far away.

In her hand she holds a bunch of daisies,
She holds them in the springtime, in the merry month of May,
She holds them for a paratrooper,
... six feet down.

Six feet down,
Six feet down,
She holds them for a paratrooper,
Six feet down.


(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/Airborne_grave%2C_Arnhem_1945.jpg/220px-Airborne_grave%2C_Arnhem_1945.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: tin shed gamer on December 28, 2019, 03:19:55 PM
Ash as promised .
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: tin shed gamer on December 28, 2019, 03:24:45 PM
And a few more
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Harry Faversham on December 28, 2019, 03:54:59 PM
Smashing piccys there, plenty of Airborne uniform detail to be gleaned from them. Here's Harry with his hunting horn to show 'em the way to the bridge...

:)

Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on December 28, 2019, 08:29:00 PM
Great pictures, thanks 'tin shed gamer'. 
What's that chap in the last couple of pics wearing? Looks like body armour.

Nice paintjob Harry.

Last beret question. Late war SAS red berets, were they the same as the airborne or yet another shade of red?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on December 28, 2019, 09:39:54 PM
Yup, body armour.
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-IS-omuzgxHk/Wzd1yCautcI/AAAAAAAAD7s/nCo4dW1vMscQ9dkJa4SM3ppL1E1zMSzEACLcBGAs/s1600/gliderbodyarmour.png)
Example at Duxford.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: tin shed gamer on December 28, 2019, 10:14:26 PM
It is indeed . Sinfully heavy and uncomfortable (very questionable effectiveness not something you'd skip carefree through a meadow in. As everything happily bounces and swings ever so conveniently away from where its needed most.) tended to be worn by jeep crews for a little bit of a confidence boost.

As for berets it's a combination of regs and the very nature of such troops.
SAS in Europe were under the umbrella of airborne forces and as such wore the Airborne maroon beret.However if you were from original units formed in North Africa or units that had fought in the theatre(Africa through to Italy.) They tended to blatantly ingnore the regs and used the original sand beret because they see airborne as another feather in their cap not a defining characteristic.but most importantly because they'd earnt them.
 You could really push the argument a little further(because original examples still exist.) and have a couple of senior ranks wear the original off white(dark cream) beret.But it was very rare .

Still in this hobby near every table ends up with something there was only ever two of.(the amount of requests I get for stuff that never made it past a prototype ::))
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on December 29, 2019, 09:30:37 AM
The text I had read about the body armour was that it was for glider crew and in lieue of armouring the gliders..

Designed by the Medical Research Council and made of 1mm manganese steel plates. They were worn under the smock.

Probably more effective than the Vietnam era flack vest against fragments, but probably only while sitting in the glider.

I wish I had noted references for the above (and could have cut and pasted directly from my blog post about Airborne kit at Duxford).

Technology....
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: tin shed gamer on December 29, 2019, 11:22:51 AM
Sorry I just re read my last comment.Missed out a whole sentence(or three) I ment to write somthing along the line's of.. officially its  light and has minimal impact on the performance of the individual.But its often remembered as being sinfully heavy (and so on.)

I'm not sure about your source(not doubting you of course.) Your absolutely right that it was developed by the MRC.Origionally recommend for adoption for every branch.
Round about 75,000 sets were made .60k to the Air Force.15k to the Army of which a chunk was diverted to airborne forces.I don't doubt for a second it was issued to glider crews .But by no means was it exsclusive to the role.
There's plenty of accounts of first waves in assaults being issued it and stretcher bearers wearing.
I know several Canadian units in the first wave on Dday chose to wear it.(and promptly ditched it asap.)
As I mentioned it was often more of a moral boots as its basically a tin helmet on its side.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Cubs on December 29, 2019, 11:28:15 AM
I like to boil most of life's questions down to rugby analogies. Often when a player takes up rugby, or goes back to it after a break, they lack confidence and tool themselves up with protective gear - gumshield, headguard, under-armour, shin guards (guilty). But after lumbering around in it for a while, most of us realise it's just an encumbrance and next to useless.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Harry Faversham on December 29, 2019, 01:15:25 PM
TSG has nailed it in the minefield of melon coverings in the Airborne. I've got a couple of letters in my collection, from Geoffrey Powell and John Waddy, both Arnhem Company Commanders in 156 Parachute Bn. They both say that during the war they wore the cap badge of their parent Regiment on their Berets. This was against standing orders, but a blind eye was turned, for Majors and above!
Years ago I did some 54mm Conte Paras for 'big boy's toys' skirmishing...
there's always one, we've all met 'im, who delighted in pointing out my CO had got the wrong 'at on.

:?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on December 29, 2019, 06:22:05 PM
 Certain degree of irony when by going against the grain your ensure your CO has the 'right' hat on...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on December 29, 2019, 07:36:13 PM
Sorry I just re read my last comment.Missed out a whole sentence(or three) I ment to write somthing along the line's of.. officially its  light and has minimal impact on the performance of the individual.But its often remembered as being sinfully heavy (and so on.)
I wish that whoever describes stuff as "lightweight" got to wear it for a while ^___^
I'm not sure about your source(not doubting you of course.)
I wish I could remember as well.

Nice photographs.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Blackwolf on December 29, 2019, 07:45:25 PM
Weren't the SAS later on in NW Europe issued with armoured  corp berets after Normandy  when were  essentially being  used as recce?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on December 29, 2019, 08:05:47 PM
I wish I could remember as well.
Found it.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3aVjcQzlAI8/XgkD8SiZP9I/AAAAAAAAGBQ/5bAVp7DQ2d8wYxaFY5TRochIdwsce74RgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/parabodyarmourtext.png)
I took a photograph of the information board next to the body armour at the museum within IWM Duxford. I went back to my photographs for the day and found the above.
https://www.paradata.org.uk/article/airborne-assault-museum-iwm-duxford (https://www.paradata.org.uk/article/airborne-assault-museum-iwm-duxford)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: tin shed gamer on December 29, 2019, 08:40:38 PM
 lol a little over a kilo.
curators the bain of my life. ::)(our intern was told he couldn't sit a Lanchester car (he was 20 at the time) when we were taking photo's to make their display .As it was extremely rare and the only 100% original saloon in the country .Until I pointed out the lovely little yellow car had an ever so sweet little steel side panel with made in Taiwan stamped in it.)
I had another one tell me when I was asked to help out for city of culture that she didn't think the civil war was an important enough part of the cities history to warrant a display for city of culture.
I replied she was absolutely right Hull didn't have much of a role since it refused both King and Parliament. ;D)


There's several grades of this type of armour starting at 3 1/2 lbs to 4 lbs(depending on model) upto the 10lbs (heavy)armour. Which was more commonly issued to air crews.
 
Interesting how it mentions how being unpopular since it only was the same as a bag of sugar.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on December 29, 2019, 08:53:27 PM
lol a little over a kilo.
..
Interesting how it mentions how being unpopular since it only was the same as a bag of sugar.
And the size of a parcel stamp....
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Kommando_J on December 30, 2019, 11:38:17 AM
Not surprisingly they remain the best of Warlord’s offerings. I tend to think of Voldemort Games not so much as a manufacturer but a venture capital outfit that buys up companies and asset strips them. Christ knows why they replaced Paul’s other ranges, the replacements aren’t a patch on the original BA stuff.

Indeed, they snapped up bef miniatures just to get the vehicles, currently im ruing buying a membership card when  mostof the releases for the last while have been dredd, blood red skies, cruel seas or black seas.

I'm still mystified by the changes in scale, the old chindits were lovely Hicks sculpts(so a svelte but detailed 28mm)...while the new Australians are 32mm, it s like space marines and primaris lol.

Also to the one fellow asking earlier in the thread, Mt Hicks does do BEF era troops fro Britain in the empress miniatures ww2 range.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on December 30, 2019, 06:01:05 PM
M[r] Hicks does do BEF era troops for Britain in the empress miniatures ww2 range.
Nice though they are, there are issues with the entrenching tools (told to me here: http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=97132.msg1439207#msg1439207 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=97132.msg1439207#msg1439207)).
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: FreakyFenton on December 30, 2019, 07:38:27 PM
+1 to Squadron and Europa Militaria books, they have actual photos in them and not drawn renditions which helps a lot when researching colours or ways things were worn and used.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Shahbahraz on December 31, 2019, 08:27:25 AM
Nice though they are, there are issues with the entrenching tools (told to me here: http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=97132.msg1439207#msg1439207 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=97132.msg1439207#msg1439207)).
20mm

Yep, I looked at these, but the work involved to put right the webbing plus the puttees put me off. The upshot is that as far as I can tell, basically the Warlord Games 10 metal sculpts are the only accurate BEF figures out there. I find that amazing.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: tin shed gamer on December 31, 2019, 09:19:39 AM
  lol You've dropped enough Hints.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Shahbahraz on December 31, 2019, 09:37:34 AM
  lol You've dropped enough Hints.

Ok. I shut up now  ;)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Madmick on December 31, 2019, 09:56:19 AM
1st corps are working on a new range of BEF to be released in 2020.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on January 14, 2020, 10:26:59 PM
New toys:

(https://i.ibb.co/rGpX424/WIP-VG6-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on January 15, 2020, 12:15:23 AM
Nice!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Danger Close Miniatures on January 15, 2020, 07:57:59 AM
They look like they'll paint up well, I recognise the Empress tripod mounted, what make is the standing gun team?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on January 15, 2020, 01:52:41 PM
They look like they'll paint up well, I recognise the Empress tripod mounted, what make is the standing gun team?

They're from the same Empress pack; VG6. These and pack VG7 (panzerschreck) came included with the resin 251 halftrack.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: FreakyFenton on January 15, 2020, 02:01:52 PM
Yeah they're nice figures, I particularly like the upstanding figure with the tripod on its back. Very nice detail.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Shahbahraz on January 15, 2020, 07:48:27 PM
They are very nice. I keep looking at the Empress LW range, and telling myself I don't need any (unconvincingly..)

cheers
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on January 16, 2020, 09:18:46 AM
They are very nice. I keep looking at the Empress LW range, and telling myself I don't need any (unconvincingly..)

cheers
Only thing holding me back is lack of funds at the moment.  lol
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Shahbahraz on January 16, 2020, 09:45:37 AM
Only thing holding me back is lack of funds at the moment.  lol

That as well, though to be fair, my main impediment is realising how much unpainted lead is pending - and how slow my painting is at the moment.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on February 01, 2020, 03:54:53 PM
Here's VG7:

(https://i.ibb.co/ssVbLhY/VG7-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/SKrk5yk/VG7-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/fdxNB31/VG7-C-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Truscott Trotter on February 01, 2020, 08:07:51 PM
Wow they look fantastic  :-*
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ragnar on February 01, 2020, 08:49:05 PM
Bloody lovely work Ash.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Shahbahraz on February 01, 2020, 11:13:48 PM
Bugger. I just know I am going to have to do LW commonwealth and volksgrenadier platoons at some stage.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: FreakyFenton on February 02, 2020, 12:46:45 AM
Amazing work! Motivational too, seeing as I still have some primed versions of these around.  ::)

Top job!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on February 02, 2020, 08:28:07 AM
cheers chaps. These and pack VG6 came with a rather nice resin 251 halftrack:

https://www.empressminiatures.com/de010-251-halftrack-command-plus-figures-1861-p.asp

If you take the cost of the figures off the 251 & crew are just £12!


VG6
(https://i.ibb.co/yysF9wC/VG6-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/mDJ8rnx/VG6-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/J535rxr/VG6-C-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on February 03, 2020, 10:27:28 AM
Both those sets look great.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Danger Close Miniatures on February 03, 2020, 10:49:35 AM
That bloke doesn't look very happy lugging the tripod about! Cracking work as always.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on February 09, 2020, 07:21:30 PM
Bought a plastic tank kit, still a bit WIP


(https://i.ibb.co/HPn5hHQ/PIP-Churchill-A-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/mv7Scz1/PIP-Churchill-B-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/B2zC5GW/PIP-Churchill-C-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/dkhRTzZ/PIP-Churchill-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on February 09, 2020, 09:10:14 PM
Very nice work.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on February 11, 2020, 12:42:50 AM
Nice, who makes this Churchill? I have a few Tamiya ones on order. Maybe I will actually get some hobbying done this year and start up a rival/ fan thread about my Scots.  lol
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Shahbahraz on February 11, 2020, 01:26:19 AM
Nice, who makes this Churchill? I have a few Tamiya ones on order. Maybe I will actually get some hobbying done this year and start up a rival/ fan thread about my Scots.  lol

Which regiment(s) are you doing? I've gone for generic 51st Division, but relatives fought in the Lowland Division too.

Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on February 11, 2020, 01:49:41 AM
I was thinking the 52nd, or I might go for a Canadian Division. Still haven't applied paint to figure yet. So its still up in the air.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Truscott Trotter on February 11, 2020, 09:04:54 AM
Highway Decorators anyone? ;D
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Shahbahraz on February 11, 2020, 09:49:55 AM
Funnily enough, I have the figures painted up as HD for North Africa and Normandy, I'm planning to eventually do HD as BEF as well (probably using 1st Corps when they release them), and Late War HD using Empress. 
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on February 11, 2020, 10:17:19 AM
Nice, who makes this Churchill? I have a few Tamiya ones on order. Maybe I will actually get some hobbying done this year and start up a rival/ fan thread about my Scots.  lol

This is the Bolt Action 1/56th, fairly straight forward kit with two turret options, decal sheet and some damage markers.

https://store.warlordgames.com/products/churchill-tank-plastic?_pos=1&_sid=e934901ec&_ss=r

They also do a decal sheet for 51st Div infantry. Shame no 52nd Div, so contemplating some attempt at freehand on those figures sporting battle dress.

https://store.warlordgames.com/products/british-51st-highland-infantry-division-decals?_pos=2&_sid=3393f81ae&_ss=r
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on February 11, 2020, 10:21:23 AM
(Ash)
Thanks! Yeah they do look nice. But I guess I already set myself up with my last Amizon order for 1/48's for this project.  ;D
(Shahbahraz)
Nice! That's one a decent way to fallow the war.
I Am debating on fallowing my one of my wife's Grandad who served in the U.S. 90th Infantry from Normandy to What is now the Czech republic.
I would do one on her other Grandpa but, he was a member of UPA. And I think It would a lot harder to find figures to represent that sort of war.  :o
If I wanted to do my grandparents, well one was still a little to young to have served in the war. And the other one was a P-39 pilot in the Pacific. So that is a different scale and style of gameing entirely.  lol
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on February 13, 2020, 08:16:54 PM
Think this is finished.

(https://i.ibb.co/X7h0bx4/Churchill-Tank-FR34-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/vDqrfZH/Churchill-Tank-L-side-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Ws02VWd/Churchill-Tank-R-side-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/SdDQ3zq/Churchill-Tank-RL34-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/CK8SMLL/Churchill-Tank-RR34-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Truscott Trotter on February 14, 2020, 12:35:48 AM
Lovely work  :-*
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Mr C on February 14, 2020, 12:56:57 AM
Thats cracking! Got myself a pile of 1:48 Tamiya kits to get started on!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on February 14, 2020, 07:36:55 AM
Very nice, got tk ask. What paint did you use for this tank?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Shahbahraz on February 14, 2020, 09:17:32 AM
Hmm. I posted a lengthy reply to the Commissar. I wonder where it went?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Swordisdrawn on February 14, 2020, 12:34:33 PM
Spot on.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on February 14, 2020, 01:17:55 PM
Cheers chaps.

Very nice, got tk ask. What paint did you use for this tank?

Mixed bag. Mate of mine just gave me an old Badger Airbrush, which will be my got-to for priming (I think; vallejo primer does tend to rub off, unlike good old rattle cans). So primed with Vallejo black primer, then Tamiya TS-61 'NATO green' (rattle can), then had a go with some Model Air 'Green BLM62', which i think is for WW2 Jerry armour.
Then chucked some MIG enamel brown wash at it; a fair amount of MIG pigments and some of the Vallejo thick (rubbery) mud.

Hmm. I posted a lengthy reply to the Commissar. I wonder where it went?

Mmm... not seen. On another thread perhaps...

Spot on.

Thanks very much.

(https://i.ibb.co/tJhddVX/Churchill-troops-LR.jpg)

Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Shahbahraz on February 14, 2020, 03:13:55 PM
(Ash)
Thanks! Yeah they do look nice. But I guess I already set myself up with my last Amizon order for 1/48's for this project.  ;D
(Shahbahraz)
Nice! That's one a decent way to fallow the war.
I Am debating on fallowing my one of my wife's Grandad who served in the U.S. 90th Infantry from Normandy to What is now the Czech republic.
I would do one on her other Grandpa but, he was a member of UPA. And I think It would a lot harder to find figures to represent that sort of war.  :o
If I wanted to do my grandparents, well one was still a little to young to have served in the war. And the other one was a P-39 pilot in the Pacific. So that is a different scale and style of gameing entirely.  lol

I have a range of choices, so one uncle was intelligence corps from the desert onwards, low-level stuff, translations, interrogations etc. two more in the Black Watch, another RAF, another Royal Scots Greys. On the other side, Black Watch, Seaforths and another missed WW2, and did Black Watch then Kings African Rifles in Kenya. My dad was too young for WW2 but was Royal Scots Greys post-war on Centurions. Great Uncles and Grandfathers, Black Watch, WW1, 7 out of 8 brothers were killed, the other invalided out with respiratory failure in a gas attack. My other grandfather was unfit to serve due to polio.

So mainly Black Watch for me.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on February 15, 2020, 01:24:30 AM
Thanks Ash! Always nice to see how folks bring their models to life.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on February 15, 2020, 01:38:36 AM
I have a range of choices, so one uncle was intelligence corps from the desert onwards, low-level stuff, translations, interrogations etc. two more in the Black Watch, another RAF, another Royal Scots Greys. On the other side, Black Watch, Seaforths and another missed WW2, and did Black Watch then Kings African Rifles in Kenya. My dad was too young for WW2 but was Royal Scots Greys post-war on Centurions. Great Uncles and Grandfathers, Black Watch, WW1, 7 out of 8 brothers were killed, the other invalided out with respiratory failure in a gas attack. My other grandfather was unfit to serve due to polio.

So mainly Black Watch for me.
That is allot to choose from!
I got a few other relatives that served, but i was going for world war 2 on that post. But I did have a great Uncle who was a merchant Marine in WW2.
My dad caught the tail end of Nam in the Airforce Combat engineers, "Red Horse".
I served in the 2-504PIR 82nd Airborne in Iraq and Afghanistan. And my great grandfather was in the cavalry in the Punitive expaditon to Mexico, was a transferred to the Infantry as a Captain in the AEF and fought in the trenches there. He also got gassed and had a cough the rest of his life and had a bald spot across his scalp after a bullet grazed off his helmet. Transferd to the Air Corp and was killed in a landing accident while inspecting the Pacific Coast Air bases in 42.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on February 15, 2020, 01:39:46 AM
Always cool to hear folks family histories.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ragnar on February 16, 2020, 01:39:24 AM
The Churchill came out well and looks great alongside your nicely painted Tommies.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Baron von Wreckedoften on February 21, 2020, 11:42:13 AM
....another Royal Scots Greys.

So he would have known Ranulph Fiennes' dad (also Ranulph), who was CO until he stepped on an S-mine in Italy?  Did your dad serve with Ranulph junior, or would he have been too old?

Great Uncles and Grandfathers, Black Watch, WW1, 7 out of 8 brothers were killed, the other invalided out with respiratory failure in a gas attack.

Good grief, that's appalling bad luck.  I think that's the biggest loss I've ever come across from one set of siblings.  I had four maternal great uncles in WW1, three in 2/Irish Guards (one was in Jack Kipling's platoon), 1 in (R)AMC.  Guess which was the only one to receive so much as a scratch (well, shell shock to be strictly accurate).  One of his sisters looked after Uncle Mick until he died (late 1940s, I think), but the other three all lived on into the 1960s, just.  I think I met one or two of them, but was very small at the time and don't remember anything of it.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Shahbahraz on February 21, 2020, 01:07:58 PM
My dad was a bit older (8 years) than Fiennes Jnr, and my Uncle would have known Fiennes senior, but I never really got to talk to him (Uncle) about his service. My dad's service seemed to consist of riding Centurions around Salisbury Plain, bulling boots and painting things. He got some stripes, so couldn't have done too much wrong.

My father was the youngest of 10 siblings so when I was growing up, half the uncles were already dead or very elderly. I met the last of my Grandmothers brothers in the early 70s when he would have been in his early 70s and bed ridden, having had respiratory problems from gas damage his whole life. Again, I was too young to really have a conversation with him, and like all the men I have known who actually saw the elephant, he was incredibly reticent about his war service.

The only one I really know anything about was an 'Uncle' (well, the husband of a life-long friend of my grandmother's), who was part of 11th Arm'd Division and went into Bergen-Belsen when it was liberated in 45. He became deeply religious and when I knew him would only talk about the war in biblical terms. Ironically, many years later he suffered a stroke which had the side effect of making him swear every second word. Sort of a stroke-induced Tourette's.   
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Harry Faversham on February 21, 2020, 01:52:40 PM
Remember an old bloke on our road in the mid 70s. He always used to stand at the bottom of our path, one hand behind his back, for a bit looking in our window. I thought he was trying to spot the wife, who'd got the habit of wandering round the front room in the nip!
I saw this old bloke and two of his mates in the boozer one afternoon. After a couple of hours the old fellow and one of the mates left. The one left had a mangled eye and I mentioned, his randy old goat of a mate, leching after Our Gert. He told me that he was 'the lad' out of the three of them, that he stopped in his walk to the pub every thirty yards or so to get his breath because his lungs had been wrecked by a Jerry gas attack in WW1. The hand behind his back was holding his false teeth, he put them in just before entering the pub. This other old bloke related how he'd been hit in the eye by shrapnel and blinded. I said the, third member must have been the lucky one as he looked OK. No, said the old man, the Hun had done for his mind, and he was the worst of the lot. I saw the three WW1 soldiers have their afternoon pints for several years, kept a respectful distance from them, and we never spoke again.
How I wish I'd known then wot age's taught me know, I'd have coaxed every tale out of them!

 





Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Shahbahraz on February 21, 2020, 02:58:44 PM
Nice one. It always pays to remember that everyone you ever met, has had their own life, and their own story.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on February 26, 2020, 01:06:15 PM
Got the Jerrys a tank as well...

(https://i.ibb.co/nRPVN6j/Mk-IV-troops-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on February 26, 2020, 02:42:55 PM
A nice looking litte tank at that.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Shahbahraz on February 26, 2020, 02:48:33 PM
Which model is this? I have a resin pz IV that I'm not sure of the provenance but that looks like a plastic model (Rubicon?)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on February 26, 2020, 04:09:44 PM
It's the Bolt Action plastic kit (PANZER IV AUSF. F1/G/H). Thought it would go well with the Churchill kit I did previously.

(https://i.ibb.co/sW5zxYv/Mk-IV-FL-34-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/KxBMqQz/Mk-IV-FR-34-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/HBF46zr/Mk-IV-rear-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/RCPsP4F/Mk-IV-RL-34-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/8MWGH8W/Mk-IV-RR-34-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Shahbahraz on February 26, 2020, 07:52:37 PM
That's turned out well. There have been plenty of criticisms  of the BA kit, but that looks the business. I do think the turret schurzen are meant to be fully enclosed though, without the gap at the rear.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on February 26, 2020, 08:20:38 PM
That's turned out well. There have been plenty of criticisms  of the BA kit, but that looks the business. I do think the turret schurzen are meant to be fully enclosed though, without the gap at the rear.

Not the best fitting thing. It very nearly met with an accident...
I was tempted to bin all the chunky attachment parts and replace with something else
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Shahbahraz on February 27, 2020, 12:13:17 AM
Not the best fitting thing. It very nearly met with an accident...
I was tempted to bin all the chunky attachment parts and replace with something else

I hear you, I was given my resin Pz IV that had been put together by a very inexperienced modeller, and had to disassemble and rebuild. With resin, it wasn't easy. Schurzen are the work of the devil.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: FreakyFenton on February 27, 2020, 12:18:24 AM
I like the damage to the Schürzen! I cut away a few of the bits on mine to emulate wear and tear and such as well. The plastic kit is nice, but there are some points that would need adressing if and when it will be remade.

Going past that, the paintjob and weathering is great, I like it!  :D
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Shahbahraz on February 27, 2020, 12:22:03 AM
I like the damage to the Schürzen! I cut away a few of the bits on mine to emulate wear and tear and such as well. The plastic kit is nice, but there are some points that would need adressing if and when it will be remade.

Going past that, the paintjob and weathering is great, I like it!  :D

Just buy the more recent Rubicon kit. I want one of their Pz IV J to do a late war force.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on February 27, 2020, 08:32:57 AM
Must say I hadn't realised that the back part of the turret Schürzen was suppossed to be all one piece until Shahbahraz pointed it out.
I ended up painted all the turret bits separately prior to gluing; if I was to do it over I'd glue the Schürzen together and cover the gap/whole back part with some thin styrene, then paint it as one piece.
Thanks Shahbahraz, best way to learn is others with more knowledge sharing the info. Cheers.

Here's the 251 I got from Empress:

(https://i.ibb.co/r26B0TP/Skdfz-251-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/rsB9cJG/Skdfz-251-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/b7kzxy1/Skdfz-251-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/KGN1DnZ/251-top-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Shahbahraz on February 27, 2020, 09:01:03 AM
That's come out nicely, the weathering and mud looks really good for late 44, early 45.

I confess, most of my armour is pretty 'clean' as it was primarily intended for Normandy and Market Garden, but I have been really tempted to do 'winter' forces using Empress Miniatures. I blame you :)  It would just mean a change of palette, new terrain, etc..   maybe next year.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on February 27, 2020, 12:25:06 PM
Sadly I can not see the 251. Was there supposed to be a picture?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on February 27, 2020, 03:55:17 PM
Sadly I can not see the 251. Was there supposed to be a picture?

That's odd, should show up.
Here's a group shot:

(https://i.ibb.co/0XHVf2G/Heer-group-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on February 27, 2020, 08:25:01 PM
Very nice work.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on February 28, 2020, 03:18:25 AM
Both pictures are showing up now. Very nice.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Cubs on March 02, 2020, 08:03:52 AM
Niiiice.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Eclaireur on March 25, 2020, 12:06:36 PM
Empress have just added a Vickers MG + team to their late war Brits line  :D I was in touch with them by email this morning and sadly this does not herald a batch of new codes that we'd been hoping might appear by Salute.
But kudos to Empress for keeping going in this trying times even as the Excel Centre (and Salute venue...) is turned into a huge temporary hospital,
EC
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on March 25, 2020, 03:21:10 PM
Thanks for the 'heads up', just placed an order...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Baron von Wreckedoften on March 25, 2020, 06:39:15 PM
A photo of the Vickers team is now up on the Empress website - pack LB11.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Shahbahraz on March 25, 2020, 07:12:59 PM
Nice, very dynamic, but we need more than 3 crew please. And I suspect the gunner is going to be sore sitting like that for any length of time.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on April 19, 2020, 10:11:33 PM
Found a little resin scenic base, which I think I bought at Salute a couple of years ago; Vickers team fitted well enough.

LB11

(https://i.ibb.co/47sL7zy/LB11-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/JrTnSZ8/LB11-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/93J2kvP/LB11-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/W53qSw5/LB11-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Swordisdrawn on April 19, 2020, 11:20:32 PM
Superb!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on April 20, 2020, 02:01:09 AM
Great looking set!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ragnar on April 20, 2020, 07:21:08 AM
Brilliant!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Blackwolf on April 20, 2020, 08:40:05 AM
Cracking! The number 2 has a great expression  :)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on April 20, 2020, 06:14:41 PM
Nice.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on October 20, 2020, 09:56:17 AM
Not had any additions to this project for some time, but whilst out of new things to paint I had a rummage through some boxes and found this little scratchbuild from quite a while back and decided to finish it off.

(https://i.ibb.co/svwRQdc/Belgian-gate-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/ZNfMCd7/Belgian-gate-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/mCs50zR/Belgian-gate-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/rtKYS1L/Belgian-gate-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/2gBnsF6/Belgian-gate-E-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: tin shed gamer on October 20, 2020, 10:33:09 AM
Now there's a nice piece of scenery .I can't actually remember the last time I came across anyone making a Belgian gate. Lovely addition.

Mark.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on October 20, 2020, 01:01:37 PM
Nice add to the terrain log. I really need to paint mine. ::)
Maybe then they will add some more figs to the range.  lol
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Digits on October 20, 2020, 03:37:41 PM
Nice gate Ash!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on October 20, 2020, 11:17:32 PM
Thanks David, I've got those German tank riders from Warlord on order, so I may pinch your idea and have an MG team taking cover.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Digits on October 20, 2020, 11:21:00 PM
Yes they do lend themselves nicely to that.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: FreakyFenton on October 21, 2020, 10:00:23 PM
That belgian gate is looking good!  :D
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on October 28, 2020, 09:44:39 AM
Warlord late war German tank riders. Shamelessly plagiarised Digits idea of using these blokes as an MG team.

(https://i.ibb.co/Db3ymSP/28mm-Warlord-German-MG42-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/1mnLnj7/28mm-Warlord-German-MG42-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/yfkcJwQ/28mm-Warlord-German-MG42-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/vxNdGN3/28mm-Warlord-German-MG42-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/jb0dQWz/28mm-Warlord-German-MG42-E-LR.jpg)

The rest of the pack.
(https://i.ibb.co/XLgvrH8/28mm-Warlord-German-Volksgrenadier-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/s9CXj17/28mm-Warlord-German-Volksgrenadier-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/BtbgSk4/28mm-Warlord-German-Volksgrenadier-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/M8S9zQy/28mm-Warlord-German-Volksgrenadier-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on October 28, 2020, 11:10:56 AM
Honestly it's a pretty good idea.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on October 28, 2020, 05:33:58 PM
Also picked up the British snipers.

(https://i.ibb.co/WpKWD1L/28mm-Warlord-British-snipers-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/K5BL2cY/28mm-Warlord-British-snipers-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/3FT3C79/28mm-Warlord-British-snipers-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/mR8MJ1c/28mm-Warlord-British-snipers-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on October 28, 2020, 05:42:51 PM
Nice work on the snipers.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on October 28, 2020, 11:45:49 PM
Iv been meaning to pick up a set of those guys. Great work.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ragnar on October 29, 2020, 12:18:43 AM
Nice new additions, Ash
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on October 29, 2020, 09:52:08 AM
Cheers chaps.
Wasn't sure what the bloke on the left was suppossed to be wearing, so did it to look like bits of ripped up tarps, ponchos, pieces of zeltbahn & even a bit of windproof smock.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on October 29, 2020, 09:54:56 AM
That works just fine. I know some Canadians got yelled at for wearing Germany Cammo, so Don't see a problem with the mismatched set. Its got a historical backing.  lol
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Shahbahraz on October 29, 2020, 11:26:24 AM
I assume it's hessian sacks and old tarps.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: tin shed gamer on October 29, 2020, 12:01:36 PM
Love that you took the time to use zeltbahn fabric. There's dozens of recorded uses of German camo by British and Commonwealth troops.
So it's a totally plausible interpretation. Here's a couple of pictures of Home Guard ghillie suits . It's in no way gospel. As Ghillie suits are individual as the nutter in side it.
I like your interpretation of the MG team. I've done a sniper and observer that would quite nicely make a similar scene . Simon has cast some I believe so if you'd like a set (when I get sent some) just drop me a P.M.
Mark.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on October 30, 2020, 10:59:29 AM
@ tin shed gamer: Thanks very much for posting that, very interesting to see. I like those figures and would be interested in getting some.

I finally developed enough backbone to try my hand at adding unit badges to my Brits, those without smocks. Chickened out of a couple of the prone blokes, as I couldn't get a brush in, let alone control it.

(https://i.ibb.co/qkdkd7f/WW2-British-Badges-2-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/0np0Bcf/WW2-British-Badges-3-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/x7DVzYt/WW2-British-Badges-4-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/SxTt2cz/WW2-British-Badges-5-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/jftxbR1/WW2-British-Badges-6-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: commissarmoody on October 30, 2020, 11:24:14 AM
DAMN!  :o
Those do look good.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Shahbahraz on October 30, 2020, 01:48:59 PM
Lovely work. I confess I would have chickened out and printed up some decals...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: tin shed gamer on October 30, 2020, 07:28:15 PM
It's quite the morale boost . When a fiddly detail works on mass. With mine I took the short cut and sculpted a basic/stylised regimental cresent and square on mine.Just so I don't have to stress so much when I get round to painting.
Simon and Mick moulded pretty much everything I sent them. So as soon as I get some castings. I'll let you know

Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ragnar on October 30, 2020, 07:59:05 PM
Yeah, the unit badges totally work, well done!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on October 31, 2020, 03:17:55 PM
Well done.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on November 01, 2020, 08:50:56 AM
Thanks guys; it was something I wanted to do from the start, just wasn't sure how. All that 'practice' with trying to paint eyes on my NAM & WW2 blokes seems to have helped; holding my breath at the right time and swearing profusely also played a part in their own way.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: FreakyFenton on November 03, 2020, 04:54:25 PM
Cracking job on the snipers, the Stug riders in new position and the unit badges!  :D
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Baron von Wreckedoften on November 03, 2020, 05:31:38 PM
Thanks guys; it was something I wanted to do from the start, just wasn't sure how. All that 'practice' with trying to paint eyes on my NAM & WW2 blokes seems to have helped; holding my breath at the right time and swearing profusely also played a part in their own way.

I find that works for many other activities, too.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Ash on November 27, 2020, 01:56:07 PM
Tarted up my German vehicles with an attempt at a winter white wash:


(https://i.ibb.co/zb61d4z/28mm-251-winter-troops-R-front-34-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/2nKYS3s/28mm-251-winter-L-front-34-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/7WfHv5C/28mm-251-winter-L-rear-34-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/5TVQsNw/28mm-251-winter-R-rear-34-LR.jpg)

Covered up the fugly gap in the rear turret armour with a rather chunky zeltbahn

(https://i.ibb.co/xs1WPn9/28mm-Mk-IV-winter-L-front-34-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/J3BKR0Z/28mm-Mk-IV-winter-L-rear-34-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/1ft6PKK/28mm-Mk-IV-winter-R-front-34-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/vQG3bBN/28mm-Mk-IV-winter-R-rear-34-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British infantry
Post by: Shahbahraz on November 27, 2020, 05:38:56 PM
That's worked really well. Can I ask how you did it?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on November 27, 2020, 08:16:53 PM
That's worked really well. Can I ask how you did it?

I dabbed some Vallejo 'Liquid Mask' over them, with a bit of blister foam.
Then sprayed a layer of model Color 'White'. Rubbed off the rubbery stuff with an old brush, then went over some bits with Q tip dipped in Airbrush cleaner.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Shahbahraz on November 27, 2020, 08:50:40 PM
Thanks for that, they've come out really well. I've recently taken advantage of the Warlord sales to buysome winter Germans so I am keen to get a handle on the techniques.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on November 28, 2020, 06:21:43 AM
This was a first for me, probably went a bit heavy on the removal, but I suppose I can always spray more white and have another go.
Also getting into character for adding a snow effect to all the infantry bases...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ragnar on November 28, 2020, 06:33:53 AM
This was a first for me, probably went a bit heavy on the removal, but I suppose I can always spray more white and have another go.

NO.

I reckon they look fantastic.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Shahbahraz on November 28, 2020, 08:54:21 AM
Yep, what he said, they look great.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on November 28, 2020, 11:18:26 AM
Good news, I'll leave it well alone then. Thanks for that.
Got hold of a copy of this; quite like his slushy snow technique, so once I get hold of the bits I'll give it a go at snow bases on the Brits and Germans.

(https://i.ibb.co/WvTXYV4/Winter-Wargaming-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on December 05, 2020, 01:39:14 PM

I reckon they look fantastic.

Thanks very much.

I got hold of the 251 Pioneer halftrack; bonus points it came with two of the infantry packs I didn't have.

(https://i.ibb.co/0F9pVGd/251-Pioneer-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/N9MVMYV/251-Pioneer-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/ZJrdZ7p/251-Pioneer-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/D5G97Gs/251-Pioneer-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on December 05, 2020, 04:24:30 PM
Nice work, it looks chilly.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on December 05, 2020, 04:44:13 PM
Here's the figures that came with it.

Pack VG2
(https://i.ibb.co/L0pqtkL/VG2-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/r20hV8W/VG2-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/W5wjxky/VG2-C-LR.jpg)

VG3  Had a go at a different camo on one, just for the hell of it.
(https://i.ibb.co/xgMbgH2/VG3-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/bzrbn93/VG3-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/dJFM3cr/VG3-C-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ragnar on December 05, 2020, 08:50:27 PM
Nice additions!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: FreakyFenton on December 05, 2020, 11:41:03 PM
Nice additions!

+1 They are very cool indeed, no pun intended.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on December 06, 2020, 09:40:49 AM
Added snow to all the other bases.

(https://i.ibb.co/M2GVcFr/Volks-winter-1-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/TwFXJqr/Volks-winter-2-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/4YysN0Z/Volks-winter-3-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/jTHdtXf/Volks-winter-4-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/LnR2XLG/Volks-winter-Support-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: commissarmoody on December 06, 2020, 09:51:55 AM
Damn those guys look good.  :o
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Thargor on December 06, 2020, 09:33:22 PM
Wow  :-*
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on December 07, 2020, 07:42:12 AM
Cheers guys; I did the same to the Brits:

(https://i.ibb.co/QmMPcQy/WInter-based-British-1-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/kqR3kpw/WInter-based-British-2-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/3RJVS6x/WInter-based-British-3-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/swS2Yc1/WInter-based-British-4-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/1KvYT9z/WInter-based-British-5-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/wKPtmkC/WInter-based-British-6-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/BsKZfLP/WInter-based-British-7-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Rick F on December 07, 2020, 08:30:55 AM
Cracking basing, now they all look thoroughly miserable!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: commissarmoody on December 07, 2020, 09:00:32 AM
Yep, I feel cold just looking at them.  lol
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on December 07, 2020, 10:01:17 AM
Ta very much. I don't know about the little blokes but I've had enough of mixing 'snow paste'.

Wierd thing with those last two packs of Germans (VG2 & VG3), all the snow turned greenish as it dried.
Thought it might be some colour leaching from the static grass, however I used the same home made tufts on all the figures, and the snow on the tufts stayed white so it must have come from the mud (Vallejo 'thick mud').
I put a second coat on once dry, same green again. Painted on some Vallejo Environment acrylic 'snow', sort of white textured paint, then more snow paste. No more green, but by now had fairly thick snow drifts, so carved them off back to the base. Sealed base with varnish added snow paint, then layer of paste; sorted.
Can only think that the 'mud' hadn't cured compleatly and colour came from there; all the other figures were done some time ago so totally dried.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Digits on December 07, 2020, 10:19:47 AM
Regardless of snow colour leaching (thanks for heads up) these look bloody fantastic mate.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on December 14, 2020, 09:32:16 PM
Thanks David.

Found a resin Universal carrier on eBay; came with a Desert Rats crew, who needed a bit of GS.

(https://i.ibb.co/KzSQ2NF/28mm-Universal-Carrier-front-L-34-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/NNkX4hr/28mm-Universal-Carrier-front-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/wKj6fsF/28mm-Universal-Carrier-front-R-34-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/x569nF8/28mm-Universal-Carrier-L-side-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/W2dLVy6/28mm-Universal-Carrier-R-side-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/wrzd1r7/28mm-Universal-Carrier-rear-L-34-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/s2YZkH3/28mm-Universal-Carrier-rear-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/D494hHj/28mm-Universal-Carrier-rear-R-34-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/L08nvzB/28mm-Universal-Carrier-top-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: commissarmoody on December 15, 2020, 12:53:08 AM
They look pretty cool. Guessing the green stuff was to make them into ETO. What scale was the resin cast?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on December 15, 2020, 10:08:23 AM
It's apparently a 1/56 from Blitzkrieg Resin Miniatures.

It had a load of resin stowage glued on the outside which I removed; stuck one tarp back on the side, one pack as an armrest for bloke in the back (the big tarp on the back is part of the cast, I think).
The crew all had shorts, rolled socks and rolled sleeves, so just attcked with a dremmel, then GS'd sleeves & hoods on smocks, some GS on the legs mainly arround the top of the gaiters. Bloke in the back got some netting & scrim on his helmet
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: commissarmoody on December 15, 2020, 10:20:32 AM
Well your work paid off, would never have guessed they where set to fight in the dessert before you got ahold of them.  :D
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: tancrede on December 15, 2020, 12:10:06 PM
Very good work, sir.  :-*
You've done a nice conversion job on this little boy !
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on April 27, 2021, 01:48:59 PM
Another find on eBay, British tank crew bloke in a Pixie suit.

(https://i.ibb.co/PQs8qcC/British-tank-crew-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/HC1Tcdd/British-tank-crew-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/gZFxLR9/Cromwell-and-Commander-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Marine0846 on April 27, 2021, 02:19:10 PM
Well painted.
Really like them.
I have been putting together some Tamiya 1/48 carriers.
What a pain to put together.
But my troops need transport.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: commissarmoody on April 28, 2021, 11:19:03 AM
Good looking crewmen.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Shahbahraz on April 28, 2021, 04:32:52 PM
That's a very overweight Universal Carrier. The Bridge plate says 40 tons... lol

Nice work though. I've been printing carriers, now I need to find some 1/56 crew figures.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on April 28, 2021, 10:59:03 PM
That's a very overweight Universal Carrier. The Bridge plate says 40 tons... lol

Nice work though. I've been printing carriers, now I need to find some 1/56 crew figures.

So that's what it means, oops! Thanks for the info.
What would be a more appropriate number for a carrier?

Not to worry, now I know what it is I just did a picture search and a 5 looks the part, which now makes me wonder what the 40 should have gone on..?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Shahbahraz on April 28, 2021, 11:10:12 PM
IIRC, Carriers were 4 tons, and 40 were Churchills.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Shahbahraz on April 28, 2021, 11:10:45 PM
Found it..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_military_vehicle_markings_of_World_War_II#Bridge_rating
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on April 29, 2021, 08:51:13 AM
IIRC, Carriers were 4 tons, and 40 were Churchills.

That would explain where I got the '40' decals from, must have come with the Churchill kit. I've managed to paint out the rather OTT number and will add another decal over the top.
Thanks very much for pointing that out.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Shahbahraz on April 29, 2021, 12:35:23 PM
Sorry. Didn't mean to be picky. I think it looks great. I only hope mine turn out as nicely.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on April 29, 2021, 08:10:02 PM
Sorry. Didn't mean to be picky. I think it looks great. I only hope mine turn out as nicely.

Mate, you never need to apologise to me for helping..! Quite the opposite, I need all the help I can get.
If you hadn't pointed it out I'd never have known, thanks again for the info, it's much appreciated.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Digits on April 29, 2021, 08:48:56 PM
Nice work fella.  Just about to convert a few minis for crew on a pair of carriers from warlord.  If they look half as nice I’ll be pleased!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Shahbahraz on April 29, 2021, 10:09:38 PM
What figures are you using to convert from? I might need to go digging in the plastic pile. I wish someone would do plastic crew members without the vehicle.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Digits on April 29, 2021, 10:19:22 PM
The warlord carrier has crew...but as I will have at least two, I don’t like repetition.  Using a sprue of Brit plastic infantry, with bits in the kit.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Shahbahraz on April 29, 2021, 10:47:07 PM
The disadvantage of all my 3d printing.. no crew.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: tin shed gamer on May 01, 2021, 10:09:16 PM
 That's what happens when you don't check my stuff. lol
I've done several crew versions including a crew in Civvies!
 Suspect there's the odd one floating around in my workshop if you need some.
( I think Simon and Mick will actually do the crews separately if asked .Thats assuming they're not already listed separately .)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Shahbahraz on May 02, 2021, 01:46:07 PM
That's what happens when you don't check my stuff. lol
I've done several crew versions including a crew in Civvies!
 Suspect there's the odd one floating around in my workshop if you need some.
( I think Simon and Mick will actually do the crews separately if asked .Thats assuming they're not already listed separately .)

I have a very strong suspicion that the crew figures wont fit into the 1/56 carriers I've printed...  :D
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: tin shed gamer on May 02, 2021, 02:53:20 PM
I'm just undercoating two carriers that have been sat in sunlight for two years( resin has turned brown in the sun light) So if you let me know the dimensions of the compartments in your printed ones. I'll make a comparrison with the ones I'm working on.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Shahbahraz on May 02, 2021, 06:30:34 PM
I'm just undercoating two carriers that have been sat in sunlight for two years( resin has turned brown in the sun light) So if you let me know the dimensions of the compartments in your printed ones. I'll make a comparrison with the ones I'm working on.

Rear compartments are 10.5mm x 22mm - front compartment is 19mm wide and 9mm deep at the narrowest (behind the steering wheel). and 15mm deep at the deepest.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: tin shed gamer on May 02, 2021, 10:11:56 PM
19mm wide? Do you have them bulked out with kit as carrier is 6'9" wide.
My carriers are 38mm wide on the external measurement.
All the driver's be it Homefront of 1st Corp ww2 range are. Built the same way as the Homefront one in the picture. In profile 8mm at their base and 9.5mm at their widest points towards the shoulder height.
The Homefront rear cab versions all legs that stop just below the knee as its unnecessary to add feet as you cant see them. The WW2 range ones do have feet as they're in poses and positions on and in the vehicles that would make the feet visible.
On the whole I'd say 80% will fit straight out of the box or need a minor sanding to fit neatly. The others would need more careful placement or a little more  trimming down .
I don't actually have any of the ww2 ones close enough to hand to take  pictures but there's much more varriation in the poses in the WW2 one's. As the Homefront are specific characters/people.( with the exception of the rear passengers of the cavalry carrier. Which may also fit with a little tweaking.)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Shahbahraz on May 02, 2021, 11:07:37 PM
The front cab area has shelves either side. But those should fit. I will drop 1st Corps a line.  :)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: tin shed gamer on May 03, 2021, 09:49:38 AM
Sorry Ash,
No intention of highjacking your thread. But if you need crew's then crews in 1st corps WW2 will work ( drivers dont have hands and as their just ment as 'space fillers' . The Homefront have built in steering wheels)
They'll fit the Blitzkrieg carrier. As 1st Corps originally intended on using them. But the issues you found with yours is one of the reasons they chose to go with a slightly stronger/ chubbier detailed carrier.( you've less chance of crushing the sides in or knocking off the lights when chucking it around the table.)I think they're about £4 a set.
As way of an apology I've the original master's for the snipers you can have if you'd like them.
Mark
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Shahbahraz on May 03, 2021, 11:08:23 AM
Ooh. Snipers.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on May 03, 2021, 12:34:26 PM
Hi Mark,

No worries, I have no problem with interesting info being posted here. I'll drop you a PM.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on May 07, 2021, 06:17:58 PM
Found another 28mm tank crew figure on eBay, no idea who this one is by (last one looks like S&S).
Rather like this guy, really nice sculpt.

(https://i.ibb.co/n6Khrf0/28mm-WW2-British-Tank-Commander-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/4YnwXRK/28mm-WW2-British-Tank-Commander-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/gTzqPkJ/28mm-WW2-British-Tank-Commander-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/my6ZxDg/28mm-WW2-British-Tank-Commander-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/V2QsWm6/28mm-WW2-Churchill-crew-2-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Shahbahraz on May 07, 2021, 06:24:50 PM
That's a great looking figure.  Only not sure quite how I would use him in a wargame. 'Tanker eating dinner'.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on May 07, 2021, 06:43:32 PM
That's a great looking figure.  Only not sure quite how I would use him in a wargame. 'Tanker eating dinner'.

Mess tin full of bully beef acts as an extra close combat weapon...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Shahbahraz on May 07, 2021, 06:58:01 PM
Causes fear and revulsion in opponent, +1 in close combat?

I dread to think what the inside of the tanks must have smelled like.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: FreakyFenton on May 08, 2021, 06:35:23 PM
He could be a base insert in a small diorama, or a round counter or something. Definitely a cool figure though! And a great paintjob too!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on May 11, 2021, 08:44:24 PM
Found another one (must be from the same set), suitably armed with a cup of tea.

Also found a mortar team, I'm pretty sure it's from Warlord.

(https://i.ibb.co/hVSVxCM/WW2-British-mortar-team-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/KXkMBhM/WW2-British-mortar-team-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/BzcTXMr/WW2-British-mortar-team-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/SfcMhZt/WW2-British-mortar-team-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Shahbahraz on May 11, 2021, 09:04:30 PM
I like the mortar team, the jerkins work well. Getting harder and harder to resist. Now, if only I could find a 3d file for a buffalo amphibian.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on May 11, 2021, 10:18:04 PM
Just buy the Rubicon one, you know you want to and it’s a very nice kit. They even do a Polsten as a separate add on.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Paul Hicks on May 11, 2021, 11:21:35 PM
Found another one (must be from the same set), suitably armed with a cup of tea.

Also found a mortar team, I'm pretty sure it's from Warlord.

(https://i.ibb.co/hVSVxCM/WW2-British-mortar-team-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/KXkMBhM/WW2-British-mortar-team-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/BzcTXMr/WW2-British-mortar-team-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/SfcMhZt/WW2-British-mortar-team-D-LR.jpg)

Yes it is Warlord and sculpted by myself.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Shahbahraz on May 11, 2021, 11:29:17 PM
Bloody nice work. I don't generally use mortar teams as they are off table. But they are very tempting.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ragnar on May 12, 2021, 08:33:33 AM
Ah, sorry if this has been asked before, but what are you using for snow and why does it look way better than mine?   ;D
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on May 12, 2021, 09:35:08 AM
Cheers for all the feedback chaps.

Yes it is Warlord and sculpted by myself.

Great, I was pretty sure it was. Found it all on eBay, thought the helmets had a familiar look to them. Looking forward to your new set.

Ah, sorry if this has been asked before, but what are you using for snow and why does it look way better than mine?   ;D

No probs, it's just Woodland Scenics 'soft flake snow', mixed with some watered down PVA and somewhat unceremoniously plonked on with a knackered old brush.
Only issue I've had with it so far was adding it ontop of Vallejo 'Thick Mud', it (the snow) started to turn green, as colour leached out. This did not happen with the models that had been sitting in a box for weeks/months, just the fresher applications. So I can only assume that the 'mud' takes quite a while to fully cure. I did try some (when redoing the green snow) by sealing the surface with varnish and some Vallejo Environment Acrylic Snow (textured white paint) prior to adding the Woodland Scenics suff, which seemed to do the trick. That said I didn't use the mud on this last lot, didn't see the point as it would end up hidden by the snow anyway.

Have a look for a copy of:

(https://i.ibb.co/WvTXYV4/Winter-Wargaming-LR.jpg)

Lots of superb pictures.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Eclaireur on May 12, 2021, 10:09:16 AM
Quote
Yes it is Warlord and sculpted by myself.

ooh never knew that. what other elements of the British range are still yours? I'm thinking in particular of other winter sculpts since I know you did the paratrooper metals,
cheers
EC
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Shahbahraz on May 12, 2021, 02:24:11 PM
Just buy the Rubicon one, you know you want to and it’s a very nice kit. They even do a Polsten as a separate add on.

I know, it looks great, but I'm now addicted to translucent green resin :)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ragnar on May 12, 2021, 08:30:22 PM
Cheers, thanks Ash.  And yes, that book is on my radar at the mo.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on May 16, 2021, 07:49:01 PM
Here's the tank crew bloke armed with a cup of char, & not just any old mug, but full on china set with saucer upgrade...


(https://i.ibb.co/60c3tFm/British-tank-crew-tea-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/6Y9PTnf/British-tank-crew-tea-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/YD42RCj/British-tank-crew-tea-C-LR.jpg)

With mess tin bloke.
(https://i.ibb.co/6B7vsSK/British-tank-crew-pixie-LR.jpg)
Just need another chap reading a newspaper and they'll look full on ferocious.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on May 17, 2021, 06:47:38 PM
Got these from the same seller.
German looks like one from the Warlord bailed out German tank crew, no idea about the British bloke, I rather liked the body armour, as it cropped up earlier in the thread.


(https://i.ibb.co/B2Gc7Ct/28mm-Brit-para-German-tank-crew-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/C54gGrZ/28mm-Brit-para-German-tank-crew-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/g6XftB4/28mm-Brit-para-German-tank-crew-C-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Idguardnomore2 on May 17, 2021, 10:11:09 PM
The body armour figure is from war games foundry British paras range.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on May 17, 2021, 11:30:53 PM
The body armour figure is from war games foundry British paras range.

Thanks very much. Just had a look at their stuff. Size wise he's a good fit with the Warlord & Empress ranges.

(https://i.ibb.co/S09XvnC/28mm-WW2-British-size-comparison-LR.jpg)
                       Empress                                                Foundry                                     Warlord
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Truscott Trotter on May 18, 2021, 07:21:49 AM
I used the Foundry casts as the core of my Para force then mixed in Warlord, Blacktree and Artizan. They all work well together IMHO and I am fussy!
BTW nice beret colour too  :-*
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Shahbahraz on May 18, 2021, 07:39:53 AM
I'm just tossing up as to whether to paint the paras I have or splash out on the Empress Late War British...  of course, I should do both, but I still have at least 7 or more unpainted platoons in the stash.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on May 18, 2021, 12:21:37 PM
I'm just tossing up as to whether to paint the paras I have or splash out on the Empress Late War British...  of course, I should do both, but I still have at least 7 or more unpainted platoons in the stash.

I was going to just say get the Empress, as they are just too nice not to, however seven unpainted platoons, all sitting there taunting would, for me cause pause for thought.
Having once upon a time decided that all my old 40k Imperial Guard really, really needed to be repainted in Multicam, at the same time; it absolutely killed my interest in anything 40k, and they ended up languishing in the 'box of shame' for half a decade, whilst I got into 20mm African bush Wars.
I did eventually finish them, one squad at a time and would reward myself with new purchases of the then new late WW2 Empress British blokes etc.
So, I can only say what works for me to keep the motivation going, is start to paint what you already have, even one squad at a time; then every time you reach one of your own goals reward yourself with something new and shiny.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Hu Rhu on May 18, 2021, 01:42:30 PM

So, I can only say what works for me to keep the motivation going, is start to paint what you already have, even one squad at a time; then every time you reach one of your own goals reward yourself with something new and shiny.

Which you then have to paint.  :o  lol lol  What we wargamers go through to reach our goals, even though we constantly move the posts.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Shahbahraz on May 18, 2021, 02:14:33 PM
I was going to just say get the Empress, as they are just too nice not to, however seven unpainted platoons, all sitting there taunting would, for me cause pause for thought.
Having once upon a time decided that all my old 40k Imperial Guard really, really needed to be repainted in Multicam, at the same time; it absolutely killed my interest in anything 40k, and they ended up languishing in the 'box of shame' for half a decade, whilst I got into 20mm African bush Wars.
I did eventually finish them, one squad at a time and would reward myself with new purchases of the then new late WW2 Empress British blokes etc.
So, I can only say what works for me to keep the motivation going, is start to paint what you already have, even one squad at a time; then every time you reach one of your own goals reward yourself with something new and shiny.

I've actually been not too bad this year, finished off a ton of painting including two Chain of Command platoons, and a heap of vehicles, and I am a good way through finishing another two platoons, one of Winter Germans, the other of Volksturm (Civilians with armbands). Once the Volksturm are done, a platoon of Fallschirmjager would let me run the Road to Hamburg pint-sized campaign, but on the other hand, a platoon of USMC would give me another opponent for my Japanese, and of course, I still have British Airborne and US Paras to do, for a potential Market Garden campaign...

Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on July 17, 2021, 12:21:36 PM
Finally got around to some new additions.

British & German mortar teams from Empress

(https://i.ibb.co/4FjhzHN/WIP-British-mortar-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/4p1tGFY/WIP-German-mortar-LR.jpg)

Also got sent some rather cool sniper figures from 'tid shed gamer', very much appreciated.

(https://i.ibb.co/rfQzQDk/WIP-British-snipers-masters-LR.jpg)


Only other thing I'm currently drawn to is the LVT-4 by Rubicon; thanks to Carlos for the recommendation.

Interesting (to me at least), when looking at pictures of the kit, I realised that those British tank crew blokes I found on eBay are Rubicon figures of crew for the LVT-4. Figures are a lot nicer than they look in the artwork.
I've found various option for getting the kit, but not for the Polsten 20mm add on pack, Rubicon have it listed as out of stock. Anyone know of anywhere else to buy one?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Digits on July 17, 2021, 06:52:25 PM
2 in stock

https://www.firestormgames.co.uk/rubicon---lvt-4-water-buffalo?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlNno2NXq8QIVs4FQBh3VsghOEAQYAiABEgKZPfD_BwE
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: FreakyFenton on July 17, 2021, 07:38:06 PM
Thanks very much. Just had a look at their stuff. Size wise he's a good fit with the Warlord & Empress ranges.

(https://i.ibb.co/S09XvnC/28mm-WW2-British-size-comparison-LR.jpg)
                       Empress                                                Foundry                                     Warlord

Yup! A good example can be found on moiterei's blog as well, he has created "Hohenstaufen"-Division I believe with a mix of Empress, Wargames Foundry and Artizan (and/or) Warlord I believe.

I got some of Foundry's german FJ's and they also scale well. In total the range seems to go great with other ranges.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on July 17, 2021, 09:29:47 PM
2 in stock

https://www.firestormgames.co.uk/rubicon---lvt-4-water-buffalo?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlNno2NXq8QIVs4FQBh3VsghOEAQYAiABEgKZPfD_BwE

Cheers Dave, another company I'd not heard of. It's actually the 20mm Polsten I was on the hunt for.
Rubicon are out of stock, and according to them they only sell resin & pewter direct. So until they make some more I'll have to put that on hold.
1st Corps make a nice looking one on a scenic base; whilst the gun would probably work, making the vehicle mount is not something I can do.
https://1stcorps.co.uk/product/polsten-20mm-anti-aircraft-gun-3-crew/

Yup! A good example can be found on moiterei's blog as well, he has created "Hohenstaufen"-Division I believe with a mix of Empress, Wargames Foundry and Artizan (and/or) Warlord I believe.

I got some of Foundry's german FJ's and they also scale well. In total the range seems to go great with other ranges.

I'll check that out. Thanks.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: tin shed gamer on July 17, 2021, 09:41:56 PM
Ash,
Although I made that one. Rich H. Sent me some printed versions he'd done .I might be able to track down any spare sets I have.
Failing that ask him and he might have some left over.

Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on July 19, 2021, 04:07:22 PM
Little bit of progress. Scenic bases have arrived; from Javis (think it's the same company who made the base I used for the Vickers & USMC (Vietnam) RCL).

(https://i.ibb.co/KbQQcy7/PIP-British-mortar-LR.jpg)

This one will probab ly need a bit of chopping to fit the figure bases.

(https://i.ibb.co/VJLTKpK/PIP-German-mortar-LR.jpg)

Also bought an LVT-4 (Rubicon) BNIB via ebay.
Starting to convince myself that I can make the mount for a Polsten, could be a lot of swearing & bloodshed ahead...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: commissarmoody on July 20, 2021, 05:54:59 AM
And they are looking good. I need to put in a order for those sets.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on July 24, 2021, 03:26:41 PM
Got them up to the pre snow stage:

LB12 British

(https://i.ibb.co/y5MMYph/LB12-pre-snow-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/8Nd7Bch/LB12-pre-snow-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/CJrwpsb/LB12-pre-snow-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/bvkmG34/LB12-pre-snow-D-LR.jpg)

VG17 German

(https://i.ibb.co/JFSPsqg/VG17-pre-snow-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/hLxZYxr/VG17-pre-snow-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/QHLNJG9/VG17-pre-snow-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/FKWWkLz/VG17-pre-snow-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on July 26, 2021, 03:45:01 PM
Patchy snow added...

pack LB12

(https://i.ibb.co/9HMrnXr/LB12-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Wn0kPbJ/LB12-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/R9tdKpK/LB12-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/5sbmm68/LB12-D-LR.jpg)

pack VG17

(https://i.ibb.co/wRn2vkf/VG17-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/LJ2yTBd/VG17-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/dKGWH3k/VG17-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/9VDwZHQ/VG17-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Digits on July 26, 2021, 04:00:43 PM
Nice work mate.  My fingers feel cold just looking at them!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Shahbahraz on July 26, 2021, 05:00:34 PM
Very nice indeed. Good effort and very convincing result.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on July 26, 2021, 09:29:30 PM
Thanks guys. Tried a different base colour on the bloke in the windproof, think I prefer this version.
The LVT-4 (Rubicon kit) I bought on ebay arrived; stuck it together and sprayed it black, then the ARVN packs arrived today & the Siren song is sounding large...

 
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Rick F on July 28, 2021, 12:34:11 PM
Cracking stuff again mate, it's the little details that really make it, the webbing, crates, weapons etc
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: tin shed gamer on July 28, 2021, 01:57:27 PM
Very atmospheric Ash.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on July 28, 2021, 04:06:33 PM
More good stuff, Ash.  Well done!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on July 28, 2021, 07:36:04 PM
Cracking stuff again mate, it's the little details that really make it, the webbing, crates, weapons etc

Thanks Rick, I'd picked up a weapons sprue that had some basic pouches & pistol holsters, but sadly no water bottles.

Very atmospheric Ash.

Cheers Mark.

More good stuff, Ash.  Well done!

Thanks Jim.

Stuck the LVT-4 together & given it a blast of primer; not sure if I used the correct side panels (I liked them more than the plain smoth ones), but too late now...

(https://i.ibb.co/TTcLs4j/WIP-LVT-4.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on September 08, 2021, 02:00:59 PM
Got some paint on this, not  found the Rubicon Polsten & vehicle mount for this as yet, but will add another time.

(https://i.ibb.co/WKqxRc5/LVT-4-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/bdvrxTb/LVT-4-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/r5dHCkb/LVT-4-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/d2yghSn/LVT-4-D-LR.jpg)

Also got these British Snipers (very kindly sent by Tin Shed Gamer) painted & based.

(https://i.ibb.co/7C1Lrnf/First-corps-snipers-1-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Y8S2rLL/First-corps-snipers-1-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/nmNFVQV/First-corps-snipers-1-C-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/Hq1M7Pc/First-corps-snipers-2-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/2KvtN5F/First-corps-snipers-2-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/8YvF89d/First-corps-snipers-2-C-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Shahbahraz on September 08, 2021, 04:12:16 PM
Both snipers and LVT looking good. I have one I printed undercoated and awaiting attention when I do my Late War British... yours is a very helpful inspiration.  :)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on September 08, 2021, 05:05:34 PM
Yeah - well done again!  A few more LTV's and you can do Operation Plunder...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: commissarmoody on September 09, 2021, 09:18:34 AM
Or maybe Operation Infatuate to liberate Walcheren Island.  :D
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Wicki on November 15, 2021, 10:24:09 PM
Going back to the subject of smocks and infantry here’s some pics of said troops clearly with denison smocks.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: moiterei_1984 on November 18, 2021, 11:54:08 AM
Wonderful painting all round bit the basing is just brilliant  :-*
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on November 19, 2021, 11:29:47 AM
Going back to the subject of smocks and infantry here’s some pics of said troops clearly with denison smocks.

Cool picture, thanks for posting.

Wonderful painting all round bit the basing is just brilliant  :-*

Cheers. There was a degree of trepidation involved with adding the snow, as once committed, they all had to have it.

I picked up a Jedburgh team, from Offensive Miniatures, at Salute. Not sure how they'll fit it in, but should be fun to paint.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on November 25, 2021, 09:22:04 AM
Here's the Jedburgh blokes; probably need to add some snow to fit in with the rest of the figures.
The one in the US uniform has a badge shape molded onto his sleeve, so far not found a picture of what that might be, so have left it blank for the moment.

(https://i.ibb.co/KDxt5bn/Jedburgh-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/K01mwyR/Jedburgh-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/1sXM2zm/Jedburgh-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/kcT5158/Jedburgh-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: MaleGriffin on November 25, 2021, 04:52:42 PM
Superb! You're inspiring me to get off my butt and start my guys!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on November 25, 2021, 08:00:00 PM
It's his left sleeve, which is where US units wear their unit shoulder patches.  So my guess (strictly a guess here...) is that it's his unit patch, from whom he was attached to the OSS?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Phil Robinson on November 25, 2021, 08:31:14 PM
I went for this

https://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/229003-ww2-oss-uniform-with-jedburgh-wing/
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on November 26, 2021, 11:53:18 AM
Superb! You're inspiring me to get off my butt and start my guys!

Thanks, and yes paint , paint, paint... he hinted.

It's his left sleeve, which is where US units wear their unit shoulder patches.  So my guess (strictly a guess here...) is that it's his unit patch, from whom he was attached to the OSS?

Sounds like a cunning plan, much appreciated.

I went for this

https://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/229003-ww2-oss-uniform-with-jedburgh-wing/

Excellent, thanks for the link.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on October 13, 2022, 12:56:47 AM
Been quite a while since I added anything.
Here's the bailed out British Tank crew from Empress.

(https://i.ibb.co/qD6brCz/LB14-1-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/vsnYcHs/LB14-1-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/pvXcmkc/LB14-1-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/2N6hHcY/LB14-1-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/NKW533T/LB14-1-E-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/fCJdG9K/LB14-2-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/19B0vQ0/LB14-2-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/7KSNpcW/LB14-2-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/wNwNjxT/LB14-2-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/pRPwgWf/LB14-2-E-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: commissarmoody on October 13, 2022, 01:15:28 AM
Well done.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on October 13, 2022, 01:30:58 AM
Cracking job on the pixie suits!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ragnar on October 13, 2022, 03:09:11 AM
Very nice.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Grumpy Gnome on October 13, 2022, 07:55:52 AM
So much brilliant work! Not sure how I overlooked this thread previously. 👏🏻
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: MaleGriffin on October 13, 2022, 06:27:12 PM
Brilliant! Some of the most characterful figures I've seen!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on October 13, 2022, 07:18:52 PM
Nice work there. Well done!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on October 13, 2022, 07:52:42 PM
Well done.
Thanks very much

Cracking job on the pixie suits!
Cheers Carlos, however kudos to Mr Hicks for putting in all the detail. I'm tempted to get another tank, just to have an excuse to get the torso figures to stick in the hatches..

Very nice.
Thanks Ragnar.

So much brilliant work! Not sure how I overlooked this thread previously. 👏🏻

Cheers for the kind comment. I'm afraid I've not added to this lot for some time, so this thread had probably disappeared into the recesses.

Brilliant! Some of the most characterful figures I've seen!

These blokes are very nicely sculpted. Very much looking forward to the Paras that are on the way.

Nice work there. Well done!

Thanks Jim, much appreciated.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on November 04, 2022, 01:56:56 PM
Picked up the 'mounted Brit armoured crew' from Empress, so got them a ride to go with.

(https://i.ibb.co/SxKmGGv/Cromwell-FL-34-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/m9Z9vPj/Cromwell-Front-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/vDZn1Vc/Cromwell-FR-34-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/h7mPryZ/Cromwell-Right-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/2SvPpsT/Cromwell-RR-34-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/MfL9QQp/Cromwell-rear-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/5LkgkkV/Cromwell-RL-34-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/6034fpP/Cromwell-Left-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: FreakyFenton on November 04, 2022, 02:25:08 PM
That tank with the crew looks great! I especially like the burlap camo(?), looks great, and the markings pop nicely!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: commissarmoody on November 04, 2022, 02:26:51 PM
Oh they look great. Is this the a tamiya tank?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Grumpy Gnome on November 04, 2022, 02:49:28 PM
Brilliant work!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on November 04, 2022, 03:23:42 PM
Cheers Gents.

It's the Warlord plastic kit. Fairly basic to put together, the second turret hatch is molded closed or I'd have stuck another bloke in it. Had to chop the drivers hatch a bit to get the smaller torso to fit. Only real dodgy bit is the molded on smooth tow cable.
The camo stuff was just the usual medical gauze, and the hessian strips are  tissue paper.


(https://i.ibb.co/4J5gm51/Cromwell-crew-1-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/0G4NKWN/Cromwell-crew-2-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/xG7WZ6Z/Cromwell-crew-3-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/XDjphHx/Cromwell-crew-4-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/HDQFJmX/Cromwell-Tank-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: FreakyFenton on November 04, 2022, 03:28:44 PM
Cool stuff! Glad to see the kit is nice, got one cheapish from a local modelshop, might give it a try.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ragnar on November 04, 2022, 07:00:13 PM
Very nice addition Ash.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on November 04, 2022, 08:11:09 PM
Beatifully done. The mud and associated crud really does have a wet, cold look to it.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on November 05, 2022, 08:52:27 AM
Cool stuff! Glad to see the kit is nice, got one cheapish from a lcoal modelshop, might give it a try.

It's not a bad kit, all went together without any problems. Watch out for the machinegun barrels as they are fairly thin and one of mine snapped off just by looking at it to harshly.

Very nice addition Ash.

Cheers Ragnar.

Beatifully done. The mud and associated crud really does have a wet, cold look to it.

The mud is mainly the good old gap and join hiding Vallejo acrylic 'Thick Mud', great for hiding all the dodgy bits. Then a watery porridge of various Mig pigments over the top.
There's also some Vallejo Model Wash 'European Dust', over most of the green armour.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on November 13, 2022, 07:45:17 PM
Now that, my good man, is a lovely-looking tank.  Well done!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on November 14, 2022, 10:07:51 AM
Cheers Jim.
It's a nice little model. Has the usual 'oh bollocks bits' that only get noticed after taking pictures, but nothing too bad.
I was toying with the idea of adding some scratch built storage bins/boxes to the sides of the turret, but allowed my inner apathy to take over and went with the camo netting instead.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on December 30, 2022, 01:58:46 PM
Recently posted group shots of my Vietnam units, thought I may as well do the same for the WW2 bits.
Pinched Jim's idea of using a terrain matt for a backdrop.

Here's all the British Army so far.
(https://i.ibb.co/7pSQS04/WW2-British-complete-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/LQWSDvy/WW2-British-complete-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/mTLqg5p/WW2-British-complete-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/KNxKQtD/WW2-British-complete-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/NVcvqzH/WW2-British-complete-E-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/b1nm9hC/WW2-British-complete-F-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/wBF5vQt/WW2-British-complete-G-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/1LTmMBz/WW2-British-complete-H-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/NSzzvb4/WW2-British-complete-I-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Kikuchiyo on December 30, 2022, 02:11:36 PM
Great work, like the snow effect, care to share?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on December 30, 2022, 03:36:35 PM
Thanks. I started doing the snow a while ago (around P24), it's just Woodland Scenics 'soft flake snow', mixed with some watered down PVA.

...and the other side.

(https://i.ibb.co/hBDxPvW/WW2-German-complete-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/g7j2Cxv/WW2-German-complete-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/S3HxdYz/WW2-German-complete-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/0qKT7G7/WW2-German-complete-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/bXQ2mZp/WW2-German-complete-E-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/nLzTQfN/WW2-German-complete-F-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/nwJQYQz/WW2-German-complete-G-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: commissarmoody on December 30, 2022, 03:51:47 PM
Again, great looking force.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Kikuchiyo on December 30, 2022, 03:54:50 PM
Very cool
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Grumpy Gnome on December 30, 2022, 08:14:42 PM
Brilliant work! 👍
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Freddy on December 31, 2022, 11:03:56 AM
They look really great, I especially like the weathering on the vehicles.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on December 31, 2022, 01:41:19 PM
Cheers guys, really looking forward to the Arnhem Paras when they get released, probably add some Germans to go with.
Did the Germans use the Stg44 at Arnhem?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: FreakyFenton on December 31, 2022, 02:56:07 PM
Lovely stuff! Much like your with your Vietnam thread!

 
Cheers guys, really looking forward to the Arnhem Paras when they get released, probably add some Germans to go with.
Did the Germans use the Stg44 at Arnhem?

I did a cursory google and can say, it seems to be a hotly discussed topic? However looking at the tables at https://www.bayonetstrength.uk/GermanArmy/GerInfBn/9.%20KStN%20VolksGren%20Bn%20Sep44.pdf you can find that machine pistols are named as equipment rather often. As the Germans called it a MP at first it might be labelled as Machine Pistol, when by today's standards it would be more of an automatic rifle/assault rifle or "Sturmgewher". In this document this is then further highlighted as "assuming to refer to an MP44" which was the name of the Stg44 prior to its renaming.

This is however just vague information. Maybe it helps.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on December 31, 2022, 03:03:45 PM
Thanks for that.
I had a good rummage around the pictures available from back then, could see any obvious examples of it (Stg44) in use there.
Probably be able to put together a unit of Germans from the Empress Volksgrenadier options, sticking with the packs with MGs, Kar98 & mp40s.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: FreakyFenton on December 31, 2022, 03:07:33 PM
Could be the safest bet. I can check some of my reference material later, see if I come up with anything. But usually if you have to make an effort to find something, it was badly documented - read:rare or not used or was kept on the down low. Maybe someone else knows more precise info about Stg44 usage.

Edit: Sent you a pm with some of the info I found.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on December 31, 2022, 06:08:42 PM
They look great, Ash.  Like the mat you used for a backdrop... ;)

I'm looking forward too those Empress Paras too.   I already have a platoon done up (which should appear, along with the rest of my WW2 stuff, here in my thread next week I would think), but what the hell.... :D
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on January 03, 2023, 06:53:07 PM
They look great, Ash.  Like the mat you used for a backdrop... ;)

I'm looking forward too those Empress Paras too.   I already have a platoon done up (which should appear, along with the rest of my WW2 stuff, here in my thread next week I would think), but what the hell.... :D

Yes, the mat. It had to be done. I noticed another one used as a back drop somewhere, you trend setter!

Picked these up from eBay, Mr Hicks excellent skills utilised for a fund raiser (the faces are James Holland and Al Murray on the PIAT), 180 sets sold out in 4hrs!

(https://i.ibb.co/DC0gZqQ/93796418-2830140803749690-5801204346657964032-o.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on January 05, 2023, 09:07:58 PM
Hmm.  Neat figures there.  Gonna paint 'em up anytime soon?  :D
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on January 05, 2023, 10:23:07 PM
Hmm.  Neat figures there.  Gonna paint 'em up anytime soon?  :D

As soon as the postie drops them off...

Going to base the tankie on Michael Caine's character from 'a bridge too far'. Going to need a Humber Mk1 scout car to go with.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Shahbahraz on January 05, 2023, 11:01:42 PM
As soon as the postie drops them off...

Going to base the tankie on Michael Caine's character from 'a bridge too far'. Going to need a Humber Mk1 scout car to go with.

There's a nice 3d print file for a Humber Scout Car on Arvernes Miniatures on the Wargaming3d site.  I don't have that specific model but I have a load of the Arevernes minis files and they are top notch. Between him and Rich on this site, I use a ton of resin.   
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on January 06, 2023, 10:11:50 PM
There's a nice 3d print file for a Humber Scout Car on Arvernes Miniatures on the Wargaming3d site.  I don't have that specific model but I have a load of the Arevernes minis files and they are top notch. Between him and Rich on this site, I use a ton of resin.

Just had look at their stuff (thanks for the info), fantastic looking range and that Humber would be perfect.
I've not yet ventured into 3D printing, wonder if anyone does them as a print in the UK...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on January 13, 2023, 10:07:30 PM
Got some paint on these; limited edition Paul Hick's sculpts for DKMS.

(https://i.ibb.co/Kyqy1zz/PH-Limited-edition-card-B-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/h7qb6sh/PH-Limited-edition-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/DMRT9C6/PH-Limited-edition-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/473gCsj/PH-Limited-edition-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/TRKmTQY/PH-Limited-edition-D-LR.jpg)

Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Grumpy Gnome on January 14, 2023, 04:29:56 AM
Looking good! 👍
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: has.been on January 14, 2023, 06:26:57 AM
Great figures & great paint job. Well done.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: RedRowan on January 14, 2023, 09:18:00 AM
Picked up those limited edition sculpts myself and they are very nice. Love the paint job you've done on yours.

Steve
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on January 14, 2023, 04:45:55 PM
Loverly job on those, Ash!  Well done, lad! :)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on January 14, 2023, 06:56:21 PM
Thanks guys. The stripes on the cricket jumper are a bit wonky, but I'm quite pleased with the way the Denison came out. Good test piece for upcoming Paras.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on January 15, 2023, 05:48:58 PM
A.  It ain't that wonky.  I wouldn't sweat it.  :)

2.  And yes, the Denison does indeed look good.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Paratrooper 42 on January 18, 2023, 09:23:51 AM
Just caught up with this thread, what a wonderful collection of figures and vehicles.   :-*
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on February 17, 2023, 07:05:36 PM
With Arnhem in mind, thought I'd have a go at some German adversaries for the Paras due soon.
Got a Stug lll from Rubicon and some figures from Empress. Got a pack in the least winter looking kit, to have a go at a Pea Dot look.


(https://i.ibb.co/JvSfbcx/Pea-Dot-camo-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: commissarmoody on February 17, 2023, 07:16:41 PM
Looking good.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on February 17, 2023, 07:25:06 PM
More pics...

(https://i.ibb.co/B4sm5Q4/SS-Officer-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/xMQSK4G/SS-Officer-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/4Wq6FmS/SS-Officer-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/XFdsGZb/SS-Officer-D-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/xSQXjHQ/Pea-Dot-1-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/s3KzYgt/Pea-Dot-1-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/x5LgQKz/Pea-Dot-1-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/pPrV8QP/Pea-Dot-1-D-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/NysfZsp/Pea-Dot-2-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/ftSfxXn/Pea-Dot-2-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/L8MB2p2/Pea-Dot-2-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/zQP6Gn2/Pea-Dot-2-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: commissarmoody on February 17, 2023, 07:43:18 PM
Again, very nice.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on February 17, 2023, 09:24:33 PM
Best representation of that camo pattern I've seen. Superb work.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: MaleGriffin on February 18, 2023, 12:56:02 AM
Lovely brushwork! Great camouflage!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: FreakyFenton on February 18, 2023, 01:25:32 AM
Nice colours on the pea dot camo. And great choice of figures. Especially like the german tank commander as their officer.  8)

(Though you are tempting fate with that dot 44 helmet cover.  lol )
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on February 18, 2023, 07:20:56 AM
Thanks for the feedback chaps. These blokes were pretty much a painting test, to see what it would turn out like. Not sure which figures to go with for Arnhem SS, as this range is in winter kit.

Looked at lots of pictures online, until it dawned on me that probably 95% of them were of reproduction kit. Watched a few YouTube videos of various paint jobs, was interesting that people were all starting from different base colours.

I started with a base of 'German cam Pale Brown', gave it a wash of 'Umber Wash'. Then the pale bits were a mix of 'Highlight French Tkcr' & 'Sunny Skintone'. The dark patches, wasn't sure if they were supposed to be dark brown, black or green. I went with 'German cam Dark Green', and the smaller brighter green bits 'Splinter Strips', although I can barely see them now.

(Though you are tempting fate with that dot 44 helmet cover.  lol )

Don't tell me, the Dot 44 helmet cover is a mythical creature. I'm not surprised, cheers for confirming, and funnily enough I was going to try the greenish oak pattern on that, just forgot about it. Good excuse to have another go. I wasn't even sure that smocks with hoods existed in that pattern, but talked myself out of trying to remove the hoods.

I've got the other bailed out tank crew and the torso set on my desk at the moment. Was going to have a crack at the Italian pattern on one jacket, and started to try the autumn oak pattern on the bloke I was going to stick in the Stug, when I realised it's an SS camo and the Stugs had army crews. I suppose he could have nicked it (or found it on eBay along side the helmet cover...)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Rick F on February 18, 2023, 08:01:20 AM
Cracking job mate. I've always taken the German approach to their camouflage patterns, do what you want  :) You're correct in that hooded smocks and helmet covers weren't officially made in Pea Dot, but unit tailors made all sorts of interesting things from different bits of clothing. A modern example would be some of the lads on my section taking a spare desert shirt to the tailor and having him make hoods for their shirts. I'm sure someone somewhere did that to a Pea Dot tunic, get the rivet counters to prove they didn't lol
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on February 18, 2023, 08:51:11 AM
I'm on a fairly steep learning curve on the Jerry uniforms front, so always appreciative to have all and any faux pas pointed out. That's how I found out about ARVN vehicle crew uniforms and Brit para rank chevrons, having forum friends share their knowledge is part of the reason for being on LAF. All very helpful and much appreciated.

Also, on the future figures front; I'm now looking at the Offensive miniatures SS blokes for Arnhem, they seem to be in lighter weight kit and from what I can see pretty compatible height wise (hopefully).

So for the occasional figure with a helmet cover, would the green/black/brown Oakleaf pattern be the way forward (for SS) or are there other options?
Zeltbahns on SS, are they the same as Heer or did they come in any SS camo?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Rick F on February 18, 2023, 09:07:01 AM
Zeltbahns came in just about all the usual SS patterns, apart from Pea Dot. You can't go wrong with Oakleaf for helmet covers and smocks. It's the most famous and probably easiest to do.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Grumpy Gnome on February 18, 2023, 09:21:06 AM
Cracking job mate. I've always taken the German approach to their camouflage patterns, do what you want  :) You're correct in that hooded smocks and helmet covers weren't officially made in Pea Dot, but unit tailors made all sorts of interesting things from different bits of clothing. A modern example would be some of the lads on my section taking a spare desert shirt to the tailor and having him make hoods for their shirts. I'm sure someone somewhere did that to a Pea Dot tunic, get the rivet counters to prove they didn't lol

I agree.

And great brushwork Ash. 👍
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: FreakyFenton on February 18, 2023, 01:12:13 PM
I agree.

And great brushwork Ash. 👍

No worries, Ash. It wasn't to nitpick. I have to agree with Rick F that I'd imagine with the battering the forces of Wehrmacht and Waffen SS got they'd probably take what they had and what was to hand. If not for the camouflage loops you could even say he cut a piece of Pea Dot cloth from some tunic or pants he found and just wrapped it over his helmet, probably enough unlucky buggers about he could alleviate the cloth from. Much like the Wehrmacht did with white bedsheet or what other white cloth there was in order to get camo-cloth for the winter.

But when I painted mine, I came onto the same question whether or not and what existed and some folk can get nasty over that. I definitely like the figures and agree with GG and Rick to do what you like and what looks good, it is just model soldiers in the end.

Teleo Memetico is a neat camo, but also one with hsitory of what colours look right. But I reckon with how hodge podge supply got, you shouldn't worry about different camos on the same bloke. New issue of helmets came with a new issue of cover, so I don't dare to think what varied uniforms and odd personal kits there were.

Edit: Also worth mentioning, much like other nations, the camouflage was received in stages. I do think the only german state to issue new camouflage to all troops in full was the GDR, hoping to equip the NVA with new camos such as "Ein - Strich - Kein - Strich" and the like in one swoop, and even they at times suffered from said problem. Just a tidbit I found interesting though! Either way Great Painting!.  :D


Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Shahbahraz on February 18, 2023, 05:24:44 PM
I'm on a fairly steep learning curve on the Jerry uniforms front, so always appreciative to have all and any faux pas pointed out. That's how I found out about ARVN vehicle crew uniforms and Brit para rank chevrons, having forum friends share their knowledge is part of the reason for being on LAF. All very helpful and much appreciated.

Also, on the future figures front; I'm now looking at the Offensive miniatures SS blokes for Arnhem, they seem to be in lighter weight kit and from what I can see pretty compatible height wise (hopefully).

So for the occasional figure with a helmet cover, would the green/black/brown Oakleaf pattern be the way forward (for SS) or are there other options?
Zeltbahns on SS, are they the same as Heer or did they come in any SS camo?

I used the Offensive Miniatures figs...
(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEgTCbovewDGy-BQuiv3JowZNbiPVAqLan9B-JzeyMYWy2j3VpfNjiUDAXSevFfGZiEjaKaMyijF9XAT732SgA5pYqCq5NXhbkiVKsS0PPkXQf2f7Rs9lnseHrNkiVhs2QOh6Ujwu35z5qrO_Z1YLy2ClxrKU0v_zwz9ExdeKapNRpkjQP00au42FZOA=s1000)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on February 18, 2023, 06:07:22 PM
So for the occasional figure with a helmet cover, would the green/black/brown Oakleaf pattern be the way forward (for SS) or are there other options?
Zeltbahns on SS, are they the same as Heer or did they come in any SS camo?

The SS had their own zeltbahns printed in a variety of SS patterns as well as the Italian telo mimetico.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on February 18, 2023, 06:12:33 PM
By the by, the SS did have their own hooded smocks, albeit they were mostly the reversible white and camo winter versions.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on February 18, 2023, 06:53:08 PM
Cheers for all the info chaps. I've redone that particular helmet cover and think he looks a lot better for it!

Had a go at an Italian camo jacket on a bailed out tank crew bloke, just gave it a wash of umber brown and sort of lost the pattern a bit, mmm...

Found a few colourized photos:

Check out the face of Mr Seriously Pissed Off on the right.

(https://i.ibb.co/CvbRKNQ/15324453.jpg)

Fair amount of Italian kit.

(https://i.ibb.co/hC3655v/61852381-2106807129449068-7011967374135918592-n.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/SKMpWNY/61753607-2106806959449085-706032536869928960-n.jpg)

@ FreakyFenton: That's not nit picking mate, that's being helpful.
@ Shahbahraz: Thanks very much for the picture.
@ Carlos: Cool, Oak leaf pattern Zeltbahn added to the to do list.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on February 19, 2023, 12:19:35 AM
That's because Mr. Seriously Pissed Off has a boo-boo on his arm.

But regarding Ash's OP, those SS do look good.  (so do Shahbahraz's boys).

When my SS chaps wind their way up in my lengthy painting queue, I think I need to to get some Empress and Offensive figures to add to my Warlord plastics and Artizan metals...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on February 19, 2023, 12:29:20 AM
While the Germans are alleged to have taken some of the printing machinery for the Italian camo back to Germany, you'll find the photos in Normandy show a preponderance of use with 1st LSSAH and 12th 'Hitler Jugend' Divisions. That's because the former were in Italy in 1943 and involved in the disarmament of the Italian Army and the latter were formed from a cadre of ex LSSAH officers and NCOs. Most of their stuff was apparently tailored using Italian shelter halves, actual camo uniforms being pretty much limited to the paras in Italian service.

So while it's certainly possible, you are going to find higher concentrations in those units and in that time frame. Like most things wargamery, the 'anything goes' thing is tempered by circumstance as much as SOP's etc.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: FreakyFenton on February 19, 2023, 05:19:50 PM
Nice to see the difference of printing rollers used for the Dot 44 on the first colourized picture. And shocking to see how young the bloke in the italian camo in the second picture is, probably was a die hard nazi, but still scary to see what the Reich threw away in man and material.

Same with some of the faces in the third picture. Some look to be very young, mixed with troops that already knew battle and the like. This seems to be underepresented in models in general. Always usually adults, whereas there was some thinner youth in there as well.

I always thought Hitlerjugend divisions couldn't have been too good, seeing as in effect they were kids. But after reading the account of Peter White in "With the Scots" some of these divisions seemed to fight tooth and nail.

Also, 3rd bloke from the POWs int he first picture looks a tad like Boris.  lol

Speaking of, if you mean to depict ragged troops, the Charlemagne division troops box from Warlord has a few good poses in, I especially like the Mg 42 gunner in that one and a loader of his who is decked out in ammo.  Might be worth a look, Ash.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on February 19, 2023, 07:40:19 PM
Cheers for all the comments and info chaps.

Here's the mk 2 helmet, and also added shoulder boards and some detail to the officer's hat.

(https://i.ibb.co/2PZ4Pnn/Oak-helmet-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/s2dgJ7Z/Oak-helmet-B-LR.jpg)


Speaking of, if you mean to depict ragged troops, the Charlemagne division troops box from Warlord has a few good poses in, I especially like the Mg 42 gunner in that one and a loader of his who is decked out in ammo.  Might be worth a look, Ash.

I saw those, definitely got the grizzled veteran vibe going on.

@ Carlos: Here's my attempt at the Italian camo

(https://i.ibb.co/gF2YkCZ/Tank-Crew-German-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/3dd0HmF/Tank-Crew-German-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/xzyyRdz/Tank-Crew-German-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/KGDP55h/Tank-Crew-German-D-LR.jpg)

...and the torso bits.

(https://i.ibb.co/6DVrV4N/German-tank-crew-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/pW8RTJn/German-tank-crew-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/5vTtQ50/German-tank-crew-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/gSRJvK5/German-tank-crew-D-LR.jpg)

Bloke on the left will end up in the Panzer lV I did a while back, the crouching bloke will end up on the Stug lll, with Mr Leather Jacket ( probably pinched from a U boat) sticking out of a hatch on the Stug.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on February 19, 2023, 09:22:40 PM
"You were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off..."


Lovely work on the er 'Italian Job'.  :) Suitably impressed.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: FreakyFenton on February 20, 2023, 04:56:52 AM
Nice attention to detail, even down to the Pink of the Panzerwaffe.

New helmet looks great!

And +1 to Carlos, the italian camo looks great and matches with the colourized shots before.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Vanth on February 20, 2023, 08:37:00 AM
And shocking to see how young the bloke in the italian camo in the second picture is, probably was a die hard nazi, but still scary to see what the Reich threw away in man and material.

That is a pretty famous set of pictures: the young guy was named Klaus Shuh and was, at that time, 18 years old, like his MG Team mate Otto Funk, just behind him. They both received an Iron Cross for taking out a Canadian Churchill just with their MG42 by firing tracer rounds at the fuel tank. Klaus Shuh was KIA just a few days after this picture was taken. The officer with the bandaged head in the following picture was their unit commander Rudolf Von Ribbentrop, the son of the Reich's Foreign Affairs Minister.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on February 20, 2023, 03:59:14 PM
I echo Mr. Fenton's and Mr. Marighela's comments.  And I particularly like that officer.  Well done, lad!  :D
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Kikuchiyo on February 21, 2023, 06:50:17 AM
They look great, not sure I'll ever get to that stage with my 20mm obsession
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on February 25, 2023, 09:49:43 AM
Here's Mr Italian Camo torso in his not so shiny Panzer.
Looks like more time spent with a mascara brush than a broom...


(https://i.ibb.co/ydbz0M0/Panzer-IV-commander-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/ns5gksP/Panzer-IV-commander-B-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on February 25, 2023, 12:01:57 PM
Think I'm pretty much done with this ; Rubicon Stug III, Empress crew.
Kept it fairly clean for an Arnhem feel.

(https://i.ibb.co/Zzsd7sr/Stug-III-Front-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/tMcjn6S/Stug-III-LF-34-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/vBsQrtV/Stug-III-L-side-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/0Jp6QkB/Stug-III-LR-34-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/DzSym54/Stug-III-Rear-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/nPkGZVH/Stug-III-RR-34-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/r3k5PYk/Stug-III-R-side-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/098w182/Stug-III-RF-34-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: FreakyFenton on February 25, 2023, 04:31:53 PM
I especially like the Zimmerit. Great work!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: M Blakey on February 25, 2023, 04:36:04 PM
Amazing! I thought looking at this before reading the caption this would be spot on for an arnhem game.  :-*
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on February 25, 2023, 04:48:05 PM
Both those vehicles, with the TCs look great, Ash.  Well done!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Digits on February 25, 2023, 05:25:39 PM
Good job mate!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on February 25, 2023, 06:06:26 PM
Thanks guys.
A first go at Zimmerit, didn't have any of the funky shaped tools for it, ended up using the edge of the tightening ring from a compass.
On the hard to reach bits sort of jabbed it into submission with a pointy tool.

Some more pics of the crew.
Uniforms probably aren't correct, sort of made it up as I went. Thought the commanders jacket looked quite like the U-boat crew item, so tried a leather look.

(https://i.ibb.co/SmQvgjp/Stug-III-detail-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/D8b5Mrr/Stug-III-detail-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/23W1DQV/Stug-III-detail-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/ZWhbHWW/Stug-III-detail-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: FreakyFenton on February 25, 2023, 07:30:46 PM
I do have a set of the tools and one that needs some odd handles for it.

But yeah, you can replicate it easy with objects that have similiar structures. Another method I saw in a scale model magazine was to use very thin sheets of foam and indent these on to glue them to a given vehicle. I don't think the latter works well for 1/50th scale.

Some also use glue and then a scalpel to put these small dents/structures in. I wouldn't worry though, it looks great!  :D
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on February 25, 2023, 11:47:30 PM
Here's Mr Italian Camo torso in his not so shiny Panzer.
Looks like more time spent with a mascara brush than a broom...


(https://i.ibb.co/ydbz0M0/Panzer-IV-commander-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/ns5gksP/Panzer-IV-commander-B-LR.jpg)

It's Robert Smith from The Cure! Never knew that Fat Bob was in the war.  :D

Mascara aside, really lovely work both on the crew and the figures. Between this and the Empress announcement I'm slowly getting drawn into the idea of Arnhem.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on February 26, 2023, 09:28:46 AM
It's Robert Smith from The Cure! Never knew that Fat Bob was in the war.  :D

Gott in Himmel!  That's exactly who he looks like. That's priceless.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Paul Hicks on February 28, 2023, 12:36:44 PM
As Heer Smit said
‘Es ist Freitag, ich bin verliebt’
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: FreakyFenton on February 28, 2023, 04:59:30 PM
Just lying in ambush, waiting to give those Tommies a big ol' kiss.  lol
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on March 01, 2023, 08:25:48 AM
Indeed, I'm not sure if I should get some make up wipes and remove some of the mascara, or add a shed load of smeared on lippy with a palette knife (+1 in close combat)...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on March 01, 2023, 08:45:57 AM
Nah, good as is. Just remember the Cure is sometimes worse than the disease*. ;)





*In Bob's case, I reckon only a Ebola outbreak could have challenged them for the worst prize. I have horrid memories of a girlfriend circa 1984 who was obsessed with the twats. But then she had a daft haircut, an overbearing mother and on Friday nights she smelled of fried chicken, so I suppose that was the least of her problems.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on March 25, 2023, 09:33:33 AM
This ones a Bob free zone. Char Bis Panzerkampfwagen B2 Flammpanzer. A little something for the Paras to shoot at.
Probably got the decals in the wrong place...

(https://i.ibb.co/2SDpvBy/Bis-Front-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/yB2gH3j/Bis-LF-34-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/9rDbB1x/Bis-L-side-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/fNCLGsc/Bis-LR-34-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/y4FRMvW/Bis-Rear-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/Jk9kHxV/Bis-RR-34-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/mTc617k/Bis-R-side-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/xSHTXqg/Bis-RF-34-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on March 25, 2023, 11:46:28 AM
That is genuinely a work of art! :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: commissarmoody on March 25, 2023, 02:51:49 PM
It looks great either way.  :D
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: MaleGriffin on March 26, 2023, 03:04:32 AM
Lovely! I especially love the bush camouflage!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on April 08, 2023, 06:39:40 PM
That thing looks good to me!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on April 21, 2023, 03:40:13 PM
Had to get one of these...
Just a coat of primer so far.

(https://i.ibb.co/QfyrmJB/WIP-Tiger-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/42TnnCq/WIP-Tiger-B-LR.jpg)

A little resin piece I found on eBay; making a mortar pit/thing/...
PIP

(https://i.ibb.co/gzk4YMF/WIP-Mortar-Pit-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/S7tQs65/WIP-Mortar-Pit-B-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on April 22, 2023, 12:46:20 AM
Looking good.  Looking forward to seeing the Tiger painted.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Tom Dulski on April 23, 2023, 11:51:03 AM
Looking good.  Looking forward to seeing the Tiger painted.

 Agree, maybe you can show us a step by step evolution of the paint application?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on April 23, 2023, 03:58:20 PM
Agree, maybe you can show us a step by step evolution of the paint application?

I'll try to remember to take some pictures, I have a poor record for WIP pictures...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on April 23, 2023, 05:23:39 PM
I'll try to remember to take some pictures, I have a poor record for WIP pictures...

Join the club!  Many is the time I've thought "Gee, I should have taken some before and/or during shots..." after I finish a conversion...oh well...maybe some day... :D
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on April 26, 2023, 09:06:35 AM
Coat of Dunkelgelb'ish yellow (Vallejo Model Air 'Dark Yellow')

(https://i.ibb.co/nQ829GM/PIP-Tiger-yellow-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Shahbahraz on April 26, 2023, 10:14:07 AM
That's a good start - what camouflage were you thinking of?

And a thought that by Late War (late 44-45), the Tiger 1 that were still around would have been pretty long in the tooth for AFV, so weathering you could go to town on.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on April 26, 2023, 10:41:01 AM
Probably going to go with a fairly dusty/dirty look, but without a ton of caked on mud.

(https://i.ibb.co/J3TkQw3/1fc7aefa9ac5709e9e514684.jpg)

I like the look of the basic brown stripes, with a few bits of blotchy green. Probably painted on at a refit depot with a rough brush.
Bit of a shame the kit has all the molded on tow cables and very uniform molded on zimmerit.

Found this online, about Tiger 1s at Arnhem:

"Schwere Panzer Kompanie ’Hummel’ with its 14 x Tiger I tanks entrained for Arnhem on the 18 September 1944 under the command of Hauptmann Hans Hummel. Due to the rail-line being blocked, the company was required to detrain at Bocholt and make the remaining 80 km journey to Arnhem by road. The Tiger Is were utilised in the fighting for the Arnhem Bridge before being employed south of the Rhine against the advancing elements of XXX Corps in the Betuwe. The unit continued to be employed in Holland before being permanently attached to schwere Panzer Abteilung 506 as its 4th Company in November 1944.  It took part in the Ardennes offensive in December 1944, continuing to fight on the Western Front until the remaining elements surrendered in the Ruhr pocket in April 1945.
𝐀𝐫𝐧𝐡𝐞𝐦
The first two Tiger Is of schwere Panzer Kompanie ’Hummel’arrived in the early evening of the 19th September 1944. They were commanded by Leutnant Knaack and Feldwebel Barneki and were assigned to Kampfgruppe 'Brinkmann'. Their presence was made felt almost immediately when the pair of Tigers drove up Nijmegenseweg and onto the ramp leading to the bridge and started to systematically shell houses occupied by the British Paratroopers. One Tiger I was damaged after being hit by a 6-pounder Anti-Tank guns housed at the British Brigade HQ building scoring a direct hit on the turret and gun barrel. The remaining Tiger worked closely with the Panzer-Grenadiers of Kampfgruppe 'Brinkmann' eliminating the last pockets of resistance around 0500 on Thursday 21st Sept 1944 at the Bridge.
The remaining 13 Tiger Is were attached to Kampfgruppe 'Knaust' and moved across the Arnhem Bridge on the 21st Sept to take up positions near Elst in a blocking line to stop the XXX Corps advance into Arnhem. The Tiger tanks posed a real problem for the Allies but the British 43 Wessex Infantry Division was able to significantly reduce the Panzer Company’s capability when it laid an ambush on 22 September 1944. Tigers could be heard advancing in the dark towards the British positions when an ambush was sprung utilising mines and piats. As soon as the first Tiger hit the mines, Piats were fired and confusion reigned amongst the Tiger crews. Some of the tigers tried to reverse but slid off the road into the soggy soil and were bogged deeming them inoperable. The Company lost at least 2 tanks in this action alone. Hummel’s company would lose another 2 x Tiger Is in the battles around Elst before the unit withdrew and the vehicles serviced in Utrecht, Holland.
𝐂𝐚𝐬𝐮𝐚𝐥𝐭𝐢𝐞𝐬/𝐋𝐨𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐬
A total of 8 x Tiger Is were either damaged, destroyed or abandoned during the battles in Arnhem and the Betuwe – equating to a 57% loss for the unit; a figure that could not be sustained at this point of the war. It is unknown the number of losses in personnel but must have been also high in comparison to vehicle losses."

I think the tank in these pictures is one that slid off the road.

(https://i.ibb.co/h9tBDcw/50454673-1668271776652989-3084019245625901056-n.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/t85xhXZ/51091666-1668271796652987-7618824091029471232-n.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Tom Dulski on April 26, 2023, 11:20:08 AM

I like the look of the brown stripes on the yellow, off to a great start.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on April 28, 2023, 09:28:48 AM
Surprise, surprise... I forgot to take pictures...
Still PIP.
Painted the brown stripes with Model Air 'cam. medium brown', then got a tad carried away with the green, Model Air 'Green RLM62'.
Gave the whole thing a wash of thinned down enamel Mig 'Brown wash'.
Put a base coat on the tracks, spare links etc of Vallejo ' German cam. black/brown'.
Tow cables a mid grey base coat. Edges of road wheels Vallejo 'Natural steel'.

Then a light dry brush with Vallejo 'Dark yellow'.

(https://i.ibb.co/qsr7sfL/PIP-Tiger-camo-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: modelwarrior on April 28, 2023, 01:19:20 PM
Lovely looking pain job.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Tom Dulski on April 28, 2023, 02:36:48 PM
Beautifully done.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on April 28, 2023, 10:16:39 PM
Tank has decals and some mud drying.

Picked up a pack of Offensive Miniatures SS troops at Salute. Wanted to have another go at some SS camo.

(https://i.ibb.co/d70nPZs/Offensive-ss-squad-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/NStZrXm/Offensive-ss-squad-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/qWtLSHN/Offensive-ss-squad-C-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/KWGWjBh/Offensive-ss-squad-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/3fjT196/Offensive-ss-squad-E-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/F0s6gCM/Offensive-ss-squad-F-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Shahbahraz on April 28, 2023, 10:48:18 PM
Nice, I have those figures to do 12SS for a pint sized campaign. Offensive do some very nice figures.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on April 29, 2023, 12:29:22 AM
They do indeed look good, Ash!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on April 29, 2023, 03:05:33 PM
Almost forgot; there were eleven blokes in the blister pack.
Here's the MG with an additional chap with extra ammo.

(https://i.ibb.co/DQpWRGW/Offensive-ss-MG-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/hsDJpzL/Offensive-ss-MG-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/2K1TCmF/Offensive-ss-MG-C-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Shahbahraz on April 29, 2023, 03:14:20 PM
very nice..   I did those as well, and Offensive were great, I ordered the platoon pack but asked for additional ammunition handlers, and they added those in:

(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEgTCbovewDGy-BQuiv3JowZNbiPVAqLan9B-JzeyMYWy2j3VpfNjiUDAXSevFfGZiEjaKaMyijF9XAT732SgA5pYqCq5NXhbkiVKsS0PPkXQf2f7Rs9lnseHrNkiVhs2QOh6Ujwu35z5qrO_Z1YLy2ClxrKU0v_zwz9ExdeKapNRpkjQP00au42FZOA=s1000)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on April 29, 2023, 06:35:51 PM
Great job, both of yous guys...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on April 30, 2023, 09:25:01 AM
Finished with the Tiger. Although could probably do with some soot around exhaust tops and muzzle.

(https://i.ibb.co/W5Skbmg/Tiger-LF-34-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/M9pSgXz/Tiger-L-side-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/ctZ8x4F/Tiger-LR-34-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/58P1xmD/Tiger-rear-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/WfHXTZk/Tiger-RR-34-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/0MBK6J7/Tiger-R-side-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/4VPHfvk/Tiger-RF-34-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/zHd3dyb/Tiger-front-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Tom Dulski on April 30, 2023, 12:32:11 PM
Man I wish I had your talent. my tanks are all 1 color :'(
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on April 30, 2023, 09:04:29 PM
Man I wish I had your talent. my tanks are all 1 color :'(

Thanks Tom.
This wasn't too taxing. It's essentially just a coat of dark yellow. I used an airbrush on this, but you could just use a rattle can and spray it. Then use something like Blu-Tack & masking tape, to mask where you wanted the stripy bits and spray them with rattle cans as well. Then a wash, then touch up the lighter areas. I just gave the whole thing a light dry brush with the base colour, using a big fat soft brush, to fade the camo a bit. Then chuck some watered down pigments at it, once dry fix it all, bit of a pin wash...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: MaleGriffin on April 30, 2023, 10:46:38 PM
Masterful brushwork!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on May 01, 2023, 12:20:40 AM
Here, kitty, kitty, kitty....

Seriously, lovely job on that Tiger.  Well done!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Grumpy Gnome on May 01, 2023, 12:45:03 PM
Continually brilliant work.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Marine0846 on May 01, 2023, 05:08:41 PM
Really an outstanding job.
Love the painting.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on May 01, 2023, 06:26:19 PM
Cheers chaps, much appreciated.

Here's all 'Three Imaginary Boys'.

(https://i.ibb.co/xSyY5Fz/Three-tanks-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Tom Dulski on May 02, 2023, 12:30:44 PM
oh, is that a CURE reference?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on May 02, 2023, 03:12:26 PM
oh, is that a CURE reference?

One of my previous tank commander attempts had a certain, undeniable 'Fat Bob' look about him. Thought it appropriate to shoehorn in another reference...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on May 04, 2023, 09:54:27 AM
Tigers would be ‘Love Cats’ surely? I’m sure there’s a forest reference pending in your other thread ;)

Just don’t do Iraq or the Arab Israeli Wars. The Cure ref is bound to cause offence and not just to Camus fans.  :D
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on May 20, 2023, 06:55:48 PM
Following on with the Arnhem theme, I dug out my one section of Paras that I'd added to my late War winter Brits. Hacked off the snow etc and redid the bases, adjusted the rather purple berets etc etc

(https://i.ibb.co/svdyLR4/Para-section-1-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/cL57MfJ/Para-section-1-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/f2TGbMS/Para-section-1-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/w45pHg4/Para-section-1-D-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/YQYwgBn/Para-section-2-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/3yf4Sr4/Para-section-2-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/GRQqBdR/Para-section-2-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/NTLSw7j/Para-section-2-D-LR.jpg)

Also been hunting on eBay for other metal Paras from the same range; picked up the 2" mortar team, characters & command section, plus the airborne carts.

Looking forward to the Empress kickstarter Paras due out in October, been thinking about some more urban looking bases, saw the superb and quite frankly gorgeous results Cubs posted:
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=141250.0
Amazed that anyone can make bricks like that from chopped up sprue, I'm sure if I tried I'd end up needing stitches... I did however shamelessly plagiarize his idea re the slings, although mine still look like they are made of paper...

Here's a couple from the Characters pack. Little bricks, sand, slate chips and little pieces of balsa.
(https://i.ibb.co/3MM77D3/Para-Characters-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/2qppBs9/Para-Characters-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/qL8FjZB/Para-Characters-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/WcQ3GJZ/Para-Characters-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Marine0846 on May 20, 2023, 09:18:46 PM
Great looking British Airborne.
Love them.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on May 20, 2023, 09:39:18 PM
Here's the rest:

Command section
(https://i.ibb.co/Myv0Xr5/Command-Section-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/kXZvHvt/Command-Section-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/2k018Q3/Command-Section-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/N9ZThX1/Command-Section-D-LR.jpg)

2" Mortar team
(https://i.ibb.co/Ltb3xp7/mortar-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/hV2XSLf/mortar-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/KxHbLgj/mortar-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/q9CMDW8/mortar-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on May 21, 2023, 12:36:13 AM
 Lovely work Ash! :-* :-*
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on May 21, 2023, 06:56:37 AM
Thanks Carlos. Here's the carts.

(https://i.ibb.co/0sPdF7c/Airborne-carts-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Mhffgr3/Airborne-carts-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/HV1SYyS/Airborne-carts-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/gwsgfv7/Airborne-carts-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/1LVsSTB/Airborne-carts-E-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Grumpy Gnome on May 21, 2023, 07:49:47 AM
Brilliant!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Akrim on May 21, 2023, 03:44:11 PM
"I knew you always wanted me to ask but I didn't want to give you the satisfaction. But why are you always carrying that damned umbrella everywhere?"

Wow Ash! These are really incredible - bravo on the brushwork. Ive seen many of your works over the years but this is top notch.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on May 21, 2023, 05:47:32 PM
Thanks chaps.

I'm pretty pleased with the way these turned out. Some of the berets have gone a little bit too far in the dark purple direction, but I can fix that on the next batch.

Colours used were:

Trousers: Vallejo 'English Uniform', shaded with Vallejo Game Wash 'Umber' (aka Lavado Sombra), highlighted with base colour +'German cam. Beige WW2'.
Webbing: Vallejo 'Russian Uniform'. shaded with Vallejo Game Wash 'Umber', highlighted with base colour +'German cam. Beige WW2'. Some parts, such as radio spares bags, first aid bags, barrel spares bag etc were, as per the winter blokes, based with khaki instead. Also the odd piece of kit, things that may not have been blanco'd.
Smocks: Vallejo 'German cam. Beige WW2', the green bits were AK 'Gunship Green', brown bits AK 'Red Brown'. Got them in the AK WWII British Uniform Colours set, which would probably do for most of the colours used here, aside from 'Russian Uniform'. I did find them a little thin on the coverage front, but that actually worked well for the camo. Thin wash of the 'Umber' all over, then a sort of pin wash of 'Umber' into seam lines, pocket flaps, edges of straps etc.
Skin: There are much better resulting recipes out there,  I go with two thin layers of Vallejo 'Flat Flesh', a thin wash of purple ink (same stuff used mixed with 'Carmine Red, on the berets ), highlight 'Flat Flesh', highlight 'Light Flesh', stubble to taste, thin wash of 'Umber'.
Helmets: Vallejo 'German Cam. Dark Green', dry brushed with 'Russian Uniform' to highlight the net. Then 'Luftwaffe cam. Green' and 'Khaki' for the scrim, gave the whole lot a wash of 'Umber wash', then a dry brush with 'German cam. Beige WW2'. Probably need to go back and add a thin coat of the green to some of the scrim to make it show.

Pretty much 'Umber wash' on everything to shade, and mix 'German cam. Beige WWII' into base colours for highlights. Sort of pull it all together.
The Umber has a nice warm tone filter effect. I used it on the last SS as well, whereas on the first go at Pea Dot, on the Empress Figures I tried one of the few Citadel products I really like 'Athonian Camoshade', and surprise surprise as a filter it completely knocked back all the magenta/pinkish tones turning them more of a sand colour. It is great over green based camo patterns like Tiger Stripe, not so useful over anything pinkish such as British Windproof smocks or Pea Dot etc.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Digits on May 21, 2023, 05:58:44 PM
Very lovely paintwork fella, I really like these…..the piat guy looks just like Grandad……though he wasn’t in the paras!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on May 21, 2023, 06:32:50 PM
Cheers Dave, I believe he was based on Al Murray, aka the pub landlord.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on May 21, 2023, 07:34:10 PM
Your recent additions look great.  Hardly a surprise there, though... :) 
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: brunei35 on May 22, 2023, 06:33:44 AM
Really like the carts and the painting of the figures is exceptional. Thanks for posting
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: MaleGriffin on May 23, 2023, 11:36:33 PM
Lovely work! Inspirational!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: tomrommel1 on May 24, 2023, 07:36:56 AM
very nice indeed
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on June 06, 2023, 07:27:26 PM
Picked up a few more bits from eBay:

75mm Howitzer.

(https://i.ibb.co/YWX1KjS/75mm-Howitzer-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/W01s20r/75mm-Howitzer-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/HgZSWQQ/75mm-Howitzer-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/bLDtc0f/75mm-Howitzer-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/FhLHmpr/75mm-Howitzer-detail-LR.jpg)

Got one of those bases that have holes for 25mm bases, so figures can be removed.
Sandbags still seem to end up looking like futon cushions...

(https://i.ibb.co/Xzq6cFz/Crew-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/sjjN2kV/Crew-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/VJD2dpX/Crew-C-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on June 06, 2023, 08:54:49 PM
... and what I thought was a three man mortar team, turned out to be three mortar teams. Probably off load a couple.

(https://i.ibb.co/jvf2Q0G/Mortar-1-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/bm28kjX/Mortar-1-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Dw401hY/Mortar-1-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/CHT8YJs/Mortar-1-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/bXPKtRN/Mortar-1-E-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Ry2Rr29/Mortar-1-F-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/bJ7Kgk0/Mortar-1-G-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/MCbp3n7/Mortar-2-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Sxx96CJ/Mortar-2-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/B32Hr01/Mortar-2-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/gPt6XYM/Mortar-2-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/pfGvCjY/Mortar-2-E-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/hDbyvs2/Mortar-3-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/F8PfYVv/Mortar-3-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/h2pFvsZ/Mortar-3-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/NKGdDdJ/Mortar-3-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/NT253Ww/Mortar-3-E-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/dbWnbvD/Mortar-3-F-LR.jpg)

Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Rickf on June 06, 2023, 10:47:47 PM
Excellent work as always mate, I'm really liking your urban basing.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on June 07, 2023, 12:03:59 AM
Cheers Rick, it's mainly cat litter, a few bricks from ebay , and the odd little bits of balsa.

I dug a couple of resin bits out of my pile of unpainted odds and ends, stuck them to some bases and ended up with these

(https://i.ibb.co/9gJ3xjC/Arnhem-Ruin-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Yddt7g3/Arnhem-Ruin-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/dK1TvXZ/Arnhem-Ruin-C-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/f97nhKW/Arnhem-Wall-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/qDTbjN6/Arnhem-Wall-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/gR1Y0jS/Arnhem-Wall-C-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Grumpy Gnome on June 07, 2023, 07:05:50 AM
Brilliant work!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Tom Dulski on June 08, 2023, 12:35:19 PM
Is that a Browning High Powered pistol?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on June 08, 2023, 01:40:12 PM
Is that a Browning High Powered pistol?

From what I've seen online, most say it's a Colt 1911.
Although at 28mm it would be a hard task to spot the difference.

(https://i.ibb.co/YNgkHV8/600px-Bridge-09.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/1Xj6Kqn/600px-BTF-Connery-Pistol-A.jpg)

"British 1st Airborne Major General Roy Urquhart (Sean Connery) fires his M1911 variant, quite possibly the .455 Webley version of the Colt M1911."
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Cubs on June 08, 2023, 04:32:08 PM
My vote is for the Colt 1911 - the Browning is very similar, but has a definite taper towards the muzzle, whereas that looks like the same width all the way down.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on June 08, 2023, 10:56:39 PM
In the movie, it's def a 1911.  I have both a 1911 and a Hi-Power, and I carried a 1911 in the Army.  Mr. Connery def has a 1911....
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Harry Faversham on June 09, 2023, 06:57:07 AM
Yep, the Paras got their hands on as many 1911s as the could. Much better man-stopper than a .38 Webley!
 :o
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Shahbahraz on June 09, 2023, 08:15:32 AM
Yep, the Paras got their hands on as many 1911s as the could. Much better man-stopper than a .38 Webley!
 :o

If it gets to the point when you're using a pistol, it's usually time to wave the white flag...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on June 09, 2023, 02:33:52 PM
If it gets to the point when you're using a pistol, it's usually time to wave the white flag...

Wonder how often, during the war, a General officer like Urquhart had to use his side arm to shoot an enemy soldier..?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Harry Faversham on June 09, 2023, 04:47:53 PM
General Patton for one, oh 'ang on that was one of his own bloke's!
 :o
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: FreakyFenton on June 09, 2023, 11:37:06 PM
In the movie, it's def a 1911.  I have both a 1911 and a Hi-Power, and I carried a 1911 in the Army.  Mr. Connery def has a 1911....

Yup, it is! And if anyone needs to check up on details like these I recommend this site.

https://www.imfdb.org/wiki/A_Bridge_Too_Far

Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on June 14, 2023, 02:29:41 PM
These guys started out as Commandos (Warlord), just added bits to make it look a bit like they're wearing Denison's.

An officer & a medic

(https://i.ibb.co/sRCNknQ/Medic-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/0D83gyD/Medic-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Sczn2dX/Medic-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/cQgyRdF/Medic-B-LR.jpg)


Thought these guys looked the part for a bailed out recce jeep crew

(https://i.ibb.co/CBZTC95/Vickers-K-1-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/1dfWDb6/Vickers-K-1-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/TRgLrQY/Vickers-K-1-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/6vHWKcT/Vickers-K-1-D-LR.jpg)

Berets have come out a little bit more RMP than Para...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on June 14, 2023, 06:40:10 PM
They look good, Ash!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on June 14, 2023, 06:49:07 PM
Cheers Jim.
I thought I'd start a little SAS unit with the other four. Still need to have a better go at the beret badges.

(https://i.ibb.co/BtSjJYt/SAS-1-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/sCnR08X/SAS-1-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/PZs4RYH/SAS-1-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/sWGkfc1/SAS-1-D-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/F3Jzd1S/SAS-2-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/6Z77FZL/SAS-2-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/bsH0HRR/SAS-2-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/c8NWZtv/SAS-2-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Rickf on June 14, 2023, 07:22:10 PM
Lovely stuff, maybe a tiny dab of brown wash would sort the badges out?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on June 14, 2023, 08:01:24 PM
Lovely stuff, maybe a tiny dab of brown wash would sort the badges out?

Funnily enough that's usually what I do next, worked out alright on the ARVN badges I tried before.
There should be another bit to the badge, a scroll below the 'wings', I sort of ran out of room. Probably should have practiced on something prior to jumping straight in..!
I'll try a Mk 2 version.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on June 17, 2023, 01:36:25 AM
Lovely work on those.  They look sufficiently loaded down... :D
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on June 19, 2023, 09:35:18 AM
Cheers Jim.
Here's the Mk 2 berets...

(https://i.ibb.co/qBFNFjb/SAS-berets-1-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/5814BLr/SAS-berets-2-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: MaleGriffin on June 19, 2023, 07:07:37 PM
They're GORGEOUS! Brilliant brushwork! I love the details!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on June 19, 2023, 07:43:14 PM
They do look good.  Nice work on the beret badges, too...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on June 20, 2023, 08:45:51 AM
Cheers chaps.

Got a few more Jerrys.

(https://i.ibb.co/VVQmt8b/SS-squad-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/GtHd9vG/SS-squad-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/YkY0CRf/SS-squad-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/GHWQfHs/SS-squad-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Shahbahraz on June 20, 2023, 08:59:51 AM
Great work. Are those the Warlord sculpts?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on June 20, 2023, 09:12:31 AM
Great work. Are those the Warlord sculpts?

I think they are, not 100% sure about the chap on the left, but he looks like he probably is.

Here's a few more

(https://i.ibb.co/zfjjpDw/SS-squad-E-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/5vMrFh9/SS-squad-F-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/WpzCNP4/SS-squad-G-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Gx6jK11/SS-squad-H-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on June 20, 2023, 07:05:04 PM
... a few more. Officer looks more Boris Karloff than Boris Karloff...

(https://i.ibb.co/XFr21LQ/SS-command-squad-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/qRtRbz4/SS-command-squad-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/0n7PyQv/SS-command-squad-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/GRGYpbQ/SS-command-squad-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Rickf on June 20, 2023, 09:45:31 PM
Boris Karloff lol
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on June 21, 2023, 09:04:46 AM
Boris Karloff lol

Just as well I didn't paint in the eyebrows...

Here's the last of the current batch.

(https://i.ibb.co/mywc5kt/SS-command-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/fXZfBCG/SS-command-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Sm1M1ZH/SS-command-C-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/1rBDd7j/SS-MG42-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/QpRKsn3/SS-MG42-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/x77CJ2R/SS-MG42-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/GkHn53V/SS-MG42-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/7GSrvZV/SS-MG42-E-LR.jpg)

Bipod and barrel just didn't quite want to line up, and I didn't want to bend the MG.
Also need to remember to brush all the crap off prior to taking pictures, loads of loose bits of basing stuff on the gun group.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on June 21, 2023, 09:24:41 AM
... a few more. Officer looks more Boris Karloff than Boris Karloff...

(https://i.ibb.co/XFr21LQ/SS-command-squad-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/qRtRbz4/SS-command-squad-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/0n7PyQv/SS-command-squad-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/GRGYpbQ/SS-command-squad-D-LR.jpg)

Well you did Fat Bob from The Cure, now you've given us Boris Karloff. Ten points if you can find a suitable Bela Lugosi-like figure and get that Bauhaus reference in. :D

Very nice work btw. Been playing with your Denison recipe this week for a post war sniper. Very handy it was.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on June 21, 2023, 12:02:30 PM
Well you did Fat Bob from The Cure, now you've given us Boris Karloff. Ten points if you can find a suitable Bela Lugosi-like figure and get that Bauhaus reference in. :D

Well the chap giving the cheery wave would possibly pass for Lugosi in a dark room...
(https://i.ibb.co/mywc5kt/SS-command-A-LR.jpg)
...and the coat could be a Goths favorite piece of kit... he's got a definite occult Vampire vibe, and once the Paras are finished with him it'll be 'Bela Lugosi's Dead'..!

Very nice work btw. Been playing with your Denison recipe this week for a post war sniper. Very handy it was.

Cool, glad it's of some use.
I've only used those AK paints (red brown & gunship green) on these Airborne since the PIAT special figure.
So far, whilst it's (the AK) a bit thinner than Vallejo, I'd still thin it down. The last batch I went pretty much straight from the bottle, goes on nicely but I'm sure it gets a bit darker as it dries.
The Al Murrey with the PIAT, I thinned it down and think the end result looks better.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on June 21, 2023, 10:18:11 PM
I love that guy with the black long coat.  I have him done up in a similar scheme - he's usually my Hauptmann or Major....
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on June 21, 2023, 11:06:09 PM
The facial expression and hand gesture really does spell 'what the fuck ref!' as a free kick is unreasonably gifted to the opposite side.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: FreakyFenton on June 21, 2023, 11:53:13 PM
I said "Trim my hedge this high, and look what you've done!"

And Christ. That other bloke's face would melt the arc of the covenant, not the other way around. Scary.

Apart from that, great paintjobs. Just some of the Warlord facial sculpts look... bizarre. 
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Harry Faversham on June 22, 2023, 02:49:52 PM
The facial expression and hand gesture really does spell 'what the fuck ref!' as a free kick is unreasonably gifted to the opposite side.

Or Ivan the linesman (who's dad was at Stalingrad) waving for a goal in a certain World Cup  Final!

 lol
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on July 01, 2023, 10:14:41 AM
Got hold a some Warlord SS decals.

Collar tabs
(https://i.ibb.co/4gdHjXW/SS-decals-A-LR.jpg)
Sleeve tabs
(https://i.ibb.co/0VQ6dDw/SS-decals-B-LR.jpg)
Panzerfaust instructions
(https://i.ibb.co/v1Ngqvm/SS-decals-C-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: FreakyFenton on July 01, 2023, 09:05:15 PM
They do look great, bit cheeky to hide one of the Bogdanoff twins among them though.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on July 02, 2023, 08:12:32 AM
They do look great, bit cheeky to hide one of the Bogdanoff twins among them though.

I remember those two, same plastic surgery look as Jocelyn Wildenstein. Hopefully she wont make an appearance in a Pea Dot ball gown...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on July 02, 2023, 11:10:06 AM
Definitely max points if you can slip Pete Burns into that lot. lol
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on July 02, 2023, 12:03:50 PM
Definitely max points if you can slip Pete Burns into that lot. lol

Mmm... Challenge accepted... Although, are we talking pre or post?
I could go for a GS eye patch, however the later version would require repurposing a Milliput sandbag, or two...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on July 02, 2023, 06:53:38 PM
I think Warlord would only do Pete in his latter days. His mum was German so you know it makes sense.  :D
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on July 02, 2023, 10:16:11 PM
Nice job on those.  They look good.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on July 03, 2023, 08:13:01 AM
Thanks Jim.
Currently got an SS MG42 team and a Para 6 pounder team on the go.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on July 04, 2023, 10:19:34 PM
Looking forward to 'em.  My SS MG42 team is already done.  I have a US 57mm gun - it could proxy for 6-lbr if you don't mind the missing muzzle brake... :o
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on July 15, 2023, 05:39:51 PM
Warlord British Airborne 6 pounder AT gun.

(https://i.ibb.co/51KbDPZ/Airborne-6-pounder-F-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/dQLVH2m/Airborne-6-pounder-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/85HkwQB/Airborne-6-pounder-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Sc1nsfn/Airborne-6-pounder-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/f4Pd01F/Airborne-6-pounder-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/C5wH2H4/Airborne-6-pounder-E-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/TkyvcY7/Airborne-6-pounder-G-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/GQNMt4B/Airborne-6-pounder-H-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on July 17, 2023, 02:45:08 AM
That looks really nice.  And I forgot about the muzzle brake.  The US 57 won't do at all, unless I can come up with some excuse why it ain't got its damn muzzle brake...oh well... 8)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on July 17, 2023, 07:17:13 AM
Thanks Jim.
I stuck a little resin sandbag piece on this, as I thought my DIY ones were looking a tad off, but considering it was a commercial piece; I'm now thinking my Milliput specials maybe aren't that bad...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on July 17, 2023, 07:10:31 PM
Very Nice!. For what it's worth I reckon your Milliput sand bags are every bit as good, if not better than the commercial ones.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on July 18, 2023, 02:01:10 PM
Very Nice!. For what it's worth I reckon your Milliput sand bags are every bit as good, if not better than the commercial ones.

That's very nice of you to say so. What with all those bits on my Vietnam thread, I've had enough practice, do try to establish some sort of consistency.
The bags however, do tend to end up getting rather large...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Digits on July 18, 2023, 06:42:02 PM
Spiffing fella!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on August 02, 2023, 09:06:02 PM
Had a go at turning a Warlord Combat Engineer pack into some late War Sappers.

(https://i.ibb.co/hChpLkw/Flame-thrower-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Mc4v5rR/Flame-thrower-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/0ZV4hxR/Flame-thrower-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/pwjPyy3/Flame-thrower-D-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/B3dhqh2/Sappers-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/mzfCgn4/Sappers-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/f2sPL64/Sappers-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/qBqdpzf/Sappers-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: commissarmoody on August 02, 2023, 09:08:47 PM
Well done. The painting ties them in well with the rest of your force.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Rickf on August 02, 2023, 09:43:35 PM
Cracking mate, I can see the hoods and bottom of the smocks you've greenstuffed, anything else?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on August 02, 2023, 09:57:13 PM
Well done. The painting ties them in well with the rest of your force.

Thanks, I may add some 'snow' to get them to fit in with the others.

Cracking mate, I can see the hoods and bottom of the smocks you've greenstuffed, anything else?

The Smock were pretty much it, and some cable/wires to the bloke with the mine detector.

Also added another MG42 for the SS

(https://i.ibb.co/F0fFmPW/Warlord-SS-MG42-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/B23vvTx/Warlord-SS-MG42-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/gPWtn53/Warlord-SS-MG42-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/72wFXRF/Warlord-SS-MG42-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/3d89P3Q/Warlord-SS-MG42-E-LR.jpg)

Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Grumpy Gnome on August 03, 2023, 08:29:10 AM
Continually brilliant work!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on August 03, 2023, 11:07:12 AM
Cracking work!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on August 03, 2023, 05:48:54 PM
Nice job on those fellers, Ash.  Well done!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on August 03, 2023, 06:53:17 PM
Cheers guys, got a Para Vickers team on the go.

...and just because; that MG42 gunner (even though you can't see his face) is a Dead (or Alive) ringer for post op Pete.
It's uncanny just how close the resemblance is...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on August 03, 2023, 07:19:37 PM
Well in that case you better spin him round, round, baby, right round like a record baby, round, round, round, round.  ;)

Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on August 04, 2023, 03:21:55 PM
Airborne Vickers MMG team

(https://i.ibb.co/hf9MhYs/Airborne-Vickers-MMG-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/VL2WHCJ/Airborne-Vickers-MMG-A1-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/X2NwFNz/Airborne-Vickers-MMG-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/dPNQy48/Airborne-Vickers-MMG-B1-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/vJ5bjM1/Airborne-Vickers-MMG-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/5c1HK35/Airborne-Vickers-MMG-C1-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/ZKxVHDq/Airborne-Vickers-MMG-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/QKJ8qHm/Airborne-Vickers-MMG-D1-LR.jpg)

Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ragnar on August 05, 2023, 07:05:11 AM
Lovely work.  I am especially impressed by the conversion of the Warlord minis.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on August 05, 2023, 09:22:21 PM
Indeedy, very good looking gun and crew.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on August 06, 2023, 06:57:42 PM
I agree - well done!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on August 09, 2023, 01:47:22 PM
Here's a couple more Germans:

(https://i.ibb.co/1vqtX1j/SS-surrender-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/bvNJ3P7/SS-surrender-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/z4ywXcQ/SS-surrender-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Xy7PCXp/SS-surrender-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Digits on August 09, 2023, 11:04:57 PM
Slick painting mate.  Really like your camo.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: tomrommel1 on August 10, 2023, 06:27:21 AM
Very nice additions :-*
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on August 11, 2023, 01:37:38 AM
Those chaps look grand.  But is the one guy there to film the other guy surrendering?   ;D :D

Seriously, folks, well done!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on August 11, 2023, 07:37:57 AM
He's filming one of the first recorded attempts at breakdancing. Hip hop Hitler Jugend.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on August 11, 2023, 08:53:36 AM
Old school social media; he's updating all his NSDAP followers on his latest endeavors, in the hope of securing a post war sponsorship deal...
Or preferential treatment at his next board and lodging in exchange for 'exposure'...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: FreakyFenton on August 11, 2023, 02:43:56 PM
He's filming one of the first recorded attempts at breakdancing. Hip hop Hitler Jugend.

 lol lol lol

https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aOxBPpR_700bwp.webp
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on August 20, 2023, 08:23:06 PM
Got hold of a German Pak 40 and an 81mm Mortar

(https://i.ibb.co/wsxBF7V/Warlord-SS-AT-LR.jpg)

Found these on eBay' look like Offensive minis.

(https://i.ibb.co/RP6BqMP/Offensive-minis-trolly-LR.jpg)

Was pondering what to start on, then found the postie has stashed this lot behind the bins... Not sure what start with.

(https://i.ibb.co/1rMms0Y/Arnhem-kickstarter-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Rickf on August 21, 2023, 10:49:08 PM
It's not what you know, it's who you know  :) I'm a little bit jealous  lol
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on August 25, 2023, 01:21:29 PM
Well, it didn't take too long to decide to shelve everything else in favor of the Paras. Going 'urban' rubble on most, then a mix of grass/mud with a hint of brick on the rest.

(https://i.ibb.co/TKRJv0k/WIP-Airborne-Arnhem-jeep-LR.jpg)

Found a friend for the limited edition Al Murray PIAT chap.

(https://i.ibb.co/Jtjv5xd/WIP-Airborne-Arnhem-PIAT-1-LR.jpg)

Turned one of the 'trolley boys' into an ammo carrier for another PIAT team

(https://i.ibb.co/Db8CcqZ/WIP-Airborne-Arnhem-PIAT-2-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/b3Sq4Wd/WIP-Airborne-Arnhem-troops-1-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/N1kMFkh/WIP-Airborne-Arnhem-troops-2-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/wRDC4GC/WIP-Airborne-Arnhem-troops-3-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/C0yzkSJ/WIP-Airborne-Arnhem-troops-4-LR.jpg)

Got a few AWOL bits en route, then base up the rest...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on August 25, 2023, 02:47:05 PM
Looking very good so far. Paras are hard to resist.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on August 25, 2023, 06:04:00 PM
Yes, so far so good!   :D
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Rickf on August 26, 2023, 12:04:24 PM
Looking good. I'm seriously torn between basing options for these figures, urban rubble, Dutch cobbles or grass to match all my others. 1st world problems lol
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on August 26, 2023, 07:31:28 PM
Basing on these is a bit of a conundrum; so far I'm going grass & bushes with the Mortars, trolleys, a couple of PIAT teams, an infantry section and probably the snipers.
Then a couple of infantry sections, plus HQ and PIAT team on rubble. The 6 pounder, a bit of both for that messed up garden look.

Made some more tufts

(https://i.ibb.co/wWbQv28/tufts-LR.jpg)

Found a Facebook page called 'British Airborne & SAS Jeeps', in their photos section there is an album called 'WWII Wartime blueprints Airborne Jeep Mods'.

(https://i.ibb.co/KNyL6vs/1660436-476087655826087-797191301-n.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/2nDCHgb/1017643-476088522492667-1930410723-n.jpg)

So, my Mk2 attempt has:

Mod 8  three internal jerry cans.

(https://i.ibb.co/K2VFgNS/WIP-jeep-mods-A-LR.jpg)

Mod 4 Pick & shovel on the front bumper

(https://i.ibb.co/17GspCq/WIP-jeep-mods-B-LR.jpg)

Mod 14 Tandem tow attachment on the rear

(https://i.ibb.co/3cTvzZ4/WIP-jeep-mods-C-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on September 01, 2023, 09:15:12 AM
Added one of the Empress jeep crew figures to a mortar team (Warlord figures).

(https://i.ibb.co/FX7trSm/Para-mortar-detail-1-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/pywDXBM/Para-mortar-detail-2-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/D1H56Lz/Para-mortar-detail-3-LR.jpg)

...and these two.

(https://i.ibb.co/h9VxmhT/Para-Chaplain-A-LR.jpg)

Haven't tried adding 'chaplain' to the armband yet.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on September 01, 2023, 04:20:20 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/9n0cP3n/Para-1-A-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/M8GjB7L/Para-2-A-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on September 01, 2023, 07:47:10 PM
 :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on September 01, 2023, 08:27:55 PM
A few more...

(https://i.ibb.co/RHd87mS/Para-3-A-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/Qd64kPM/Para-4-A-LR.jpg)

Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on September 01, 2023, 11:09:06 PM
Fine as the painting is, it's the basing that really puts the cherry on top.  :-*

You have helped convince me to rebase my WW2 Soviets.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: commissarmoody on September 02, 2023, 03:19:32 AM
Oh they look great!  :o
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on September 02, 2023, 09:08:39 AM
Fine as the painting is, it's the basing that really puts the cherry on top.  :-*


Thanks. I'm thinking I may have gone a tad too grey with the 'rubble', had a go at warming them up a bit with a brick dust look...

(https://i.ibb.co/2PbyjXk/Warm-base-1-A-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Tom Dulski on September 02, 2023, 12:31:51 PM
is that guy on the left carrying a Sterling?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on September 02, 2023, 12:40:44 PM
Yep, as it was known back then a Patchett. It should have a straight Sten mag for WW2 but hey it's a nice model.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on September 02, 2023, 05:32:26 PM
Nice job on those Paras.  Very nice.  Makes me look forward to me Empress KS package even more... :D
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: MaleGriffin on September 02, 2023, 08:23:38 PM
Magnificent brushwork! I can't wait to get mine!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on September 02, 2023, 09:59:40 PM
Cheers chaps.
Had a rethink on the bases (aka: a cunning plan)...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on September 03, 2023, 11:50:43 AM
I'm done, going to stop messing around with the bases now...

(https://i.ibb.co/rMH1FSn/Empress-Paras-1-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/W6bFjn4/Empress-Paras-1-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/WsrZVk0/Empress-Paras-1-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/ThskyDp/Empress-Paras-1-D-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/4TXqzJF/Empress-Paras-2-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/pzdWH96/Empress-Paras-2-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/1LHYv5P/Empress-Paras-2-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/6wNymr5/Empress-Paras-2-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Rickf on September 03, 2023, 01:47:08 PM
Yep, they're perfect, stop tinkering :)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on September 03, 2023, 03:22:52 PM
Yep, they're perfect, stop tinkering :)

Wasn't exactly too taxing once I'd engaged brain. Just paint some of the grey bits brick red...

Here's the rest:

(https://i.ibb.co/SVZfjk6/Empress-Paras-3-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/VBjjrRV/Empress-Paras-3-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/0nXHFpJ/Empress-Paras-3-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/nzBXcYS/Empress-Paras-3-D-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/1RHNvmy/Empress-Paras-4-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/mDpwCTf/Empress-Paras-4-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/84Vhfdd/Empress-Paras-4-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/SdRYqgV/Empress-Paras-4-D-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/DtKPsR7/Empress-Paras-5-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/1Z8bKh5/Empress-Paras-5-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/0M97Nh1/Empress-Paras-5-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/3YTTsmF/Empress-Paras-5-D-LR.jpg)

Colours used (Vallejo):

Faces: Flat Flesh & Light Flesh, bit of Cavalry Brown

Boots: Black

Webbing, slings & gaiters: Russian Uniform Green

Some bits of webbing & bandoliers: Khaki

Rifle furniture: German Cam. Medium Brown + some English Uniform

Support weapons: Cam. Olive Green

Smocks: German Cam. Beige, plus AK Red Brown & Gunship Green

Trousers: English Uniform

Helmets: German Cam. Dark Green + Scrim: Khaki & Luftwaffe Green

Wash: Game Wash Umber wash
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: commissarmoody on September 03, 2023, 04:34:40 PM
Simple and efficient
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on September 04, 2023, 10:42:40 AM
This will be the next batch. Probably on more grassy bases

(https://i.ibb.co/YkGCSJr/PIP-Empress-jeep-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/LYz93Lv/PIP-Empress-PIAT-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/9hrmJGx/PIP-Empress-trolly-LR.jpg)

These were from Offensive minis, thought I may as well paint them at the same time.

(https://i.ibb.co/122cDZw/PIP-Offensive-trollies-LR.jpg)

Another angle on the prone Bren gunner.

(https://i.ibb.co/dc7RWVT/Prone-Bren-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Tom Dulski on September 04, 2023, 12:47:42 PM
Yep, they're perfect, stop tinkering :)

  AGREE
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: brunei35 on September 04, 2023, 01:52:10 PM
Look excellent - I like the conversion of the second handcart guy  :)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on September 04, 2023, 06:04:50 PM
Look excellent - I like the conversion of the second handcart guy  :)

Thanks, his fate was sealed as soon as I saw him in the early photos. Needed the other to go with the Al Murray PIAT figure.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on September 05, 2023, 05:33:09 PM
The change to a bit of red brick looks good.  In my never so humble opinion, I think you can stop the tinkering now... :D
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on September 08, 2023, 10:37:18 AM
Al Murray gets a buddy

(https://i.ibb.co/NZJLF2Y/Al-PIAT-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Ln0knV4/Al-PIAT-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/nnhBWSc/Al-PIAT-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/3CPRspH/Al-PIAT-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on September 08, 2023, 12:55:28 PM
Another PIAT team.

(https://i.ibb.co/dGSrPNv/Grass-PIAT-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/nRKxWPh/Grass-PIAT-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/SNHV72m/Grass-PIAT-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/jw78gr4/Grass-PIAT-D-LR.jpg)

2" mortar

(https://i.ibb.co/yFRTtk2/Light-mortar-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/BnTZXqj/Light-mortar-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/mqyHby1/Light-mortar-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/M8ydFDG/Light-mortar-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on September 08, 2023, 10:11:19 PM
Stonkingly good! You really have that Denison scheme down pat.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on September 09, 2023, 12:03:32 PM
Cheers Carlos. It's the AK paint I used for the camo colours (Red Brown & Gunship Green).
It's a bit thinner than Vallejo, yet can take being watered down a hell of a lot.
I got some practice with it on those Warlord bits I painted a few months back, and noticed the paints dry in quite dark when not diluted.
On these, the green in particular was so thin that the brown showed through, so got that nice extra colour where they overlap.

Here's a couple more:

(https://i.ibb.co/g9k92R7/Trolly-Bren-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/x8rvb4K/Trolly-Bren-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/wWpvsKq/Trolly-Bren-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/QF0kmz3/Trolly-Bren-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: flags_of_war on September 09, 2023, 06:13:08 PM
Marvellous project. Loving the Paras and now making me want to paint my own ones now.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Rickf on September 09, 2023, 08:05:38 PM
Mine arrived today mate, I might just stare at the box for a few weeks before putting it off for a few weeks more lol
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on September 10, 2023, 07:57:36 AM
Mine arrived today mate, I might just stare at the box for a few weeks before putting it off for a few weeks more lol

Did you go Full Monty?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Rickf on September 10, 2023, 08:37:11 AM
No, just a Platoons worth. I've already got gazillions of Brit Paras, this was just pure indulgence :) (not saying I won't get any more though lol)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on September 10, 2023, 02:05:46 PM
Here's what I have awaiting some TLC

Bought an extra set of the 6 pounder crew, to mix & match with the mortar team to make up another mortar.
Going to try to make a scenic base that looks like they're 'dug in' to a ditch, or something like that.
Was thinking of giving the Vickers team the urban treatment...

(https://i.ibb.co/QPB4wF2/WIP-Airborne-support-weapons-LR.jpg)

Remaining troops, there's a missing add on pack en route, so four more blokes with rifles.

(https://i.ibb.co/gSCYxQm/WIP-Airborne-troops-LR.jpg)

Then this beast; going for one of those large bases, with the lift out 25mm base inserts for the crew.
There's one part AWOL that should hold it all together, will hopefully arrive with the missing troops.

(https://i.ibb.co/R2QXdq1/WIP-Airborne-6-pounder-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Rickf on September 10, 2023, 03:02:02 PM
That 17pdr will be gorgeous. I know what you mean about doing a good dug in base, the problem I can see is that the ground round Arnhem is so sandy, so all the trenches and gun pits were really deep due to easy digging. That famous photo of the Borderers 3" deserves a decent attempt at it.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on September 10, 2023, 04:51:42 PM
These are some of the pictures I have.

This one of the 6 pounder must have been the inspiration for the crew figures

(https://i.ibb.co/tQ8mHKm/large-000000-LR.jpg)

For the mortar, if I build up the banks/dug in edges, you'd never see the models, so may just try something less than half the depth to just give the idea... 'ish

(https://i.ibb.co/jJHL2KP/3-mortar-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/CzfntyN/The-Campaign-in-North-West-Europe-1944-45-BU1099-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: M Blakey on September 10, 2023, 06:19:02 PM
Looking so good! :-*. I need a step by step of putting the jeep together and the 6 pounders 🤦🏼‍♂️
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on September 10, 2023, 09:41:43 PM
Looking so good! :-*. I need a step by step of putting the jeep together and the 6 pounders 🤦🏼‍♂️

The jeep is pretty straight forward; four of the wheels have a slot on the back that fits onto the 'axle' parts cast into the body of the jeep.
The exhaust piece sits under the right side front seat, with the tail pipe about inline with the edge of the rear wheel arch.
The front seats fit into the slots provided. Rear seat back panel just fits into the back, up against the inside rear of the jeep.
Front bumper lines up with the chassis (might be worth drilling some holes and pinning). You can mount the spare wheel to the inside of the front bumper.
Gear shift fits into the hole provided.
Steering wheel either shoehorns into the divers hands, if using the crew figures, the column has a little post on top that fits into a hole in the centre of the wheel.
The steering wheel column fits into a slot in the drivers side foot well.
You can mount the shovel to the body work on the drivers side, and the tandem towing attachment to the rear, either side of the tow hook that fits into the hole in the rear of the jeep.
If using the windscreen you'll need to drill a small hole on either side, just behind the line that represents the bonnet and above the line of the side body work.
Then fit the pins on the windshield into the holes. Or just cut off the pins and glue the windshield to the jeep.

(https://i.ibb.co/ZLtJGbX/WIP-jeep-windscreen-hole-LR.jpg)

Think that's about it; add crew and stowage to taste...

The airborne 6 pounder I think goes together like the standard 6 pounder; the peg on the bottom of the gun barrel part fits through a ring on each of the gun carriage 'legs', and into the part with the axle.
The wheels fit onto either side of the axle part.
The front gun shield (with the towing eye) will attach to the front of the axle part, the main gun shield will attach over the gun barrel (barrel goes through the hole in the shield).
Then the three little bits on the separate sprue are the Y shaped piece that attaches to the left side of the breach, the elevating gear fits over the end of that piece with the wheel pointing to the side, then the last piece is the sight.
I drilled a hole for it to fit into, then glued where it touched the elevating gear.



Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: M Blakey on September 11, 2023, 05:34:25 PM
Thank you so much! I'll be very busy this weekend! 4 jeeps and 3 guns  ;D
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on September 11, 2023, 06:56:19 PM
No probs, happy to help.

My missing parts arrived today, got the 6 pounder glued up, drilled out the lifting points on the carriage legs, and then went straight through into finger.
So, blood sacrifice now made, hopefully the painting will turn out ok....
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on September 13, 2023, 12:00:15 AM
still waiting for my batch.  Patience ain't one of my strong suits, but I'm trying... 8)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on September 15, 2023, 07:09:31 PM
You wont be disappointed, this lot is definitely worth the wait...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Eclaireur on September 16, 2023, 12:46:11 PM
Great work Ash - would be interested to know BTW if you've bought any of the RKX Canadian range, which dovetail neatly with the earlier Empress late war Brits.

Concerning the Paul Hicks Arnhem range ...
Quote
This one of the 6 pounder must have been the inspiration for the crew figures


Can confirm that I brought this pic to Paul's attention when he was sculpting the range. He wanted them only to carry very light equipment, being intended for the Cauldron rather than Day 1 of Op Market Garden. I encouraged him not to go too far in the direction of discarding it all, pointing out to him that the 6 pdr pic was taken several days into the Op, with evidence of webbing still being worn. There are some others showing that too.
I think the end result is excellent,
EC 
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on September 17, 2023, 12:17:39 PM
Well played all round then, as they really look the part.

(https://i.ibb.co/dkNwykw/DSCF2985-crop-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/tQ8mHKm/large-000000-LR.jpg)

Anyone know what shade of green a British 6 pounder should be?

I did see the RKX range when the pictures were on FB, and thought the models looked very good. I unfortunately have no 3D printing capability.
Nice as the models are, for me, it was the fantastic paint jobs and the basing that really had that 'wow' factor.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Eclaireur on September 18, 2023, 11:04:33 PM
yes, you've posed them up very nicely! There's some places where you can buy the RKX guys printed. I bought a box of Volksgenadiers at a show but haven't painted them yet. The scaling is pretty similar to Empress. The faces look a bit poorly defined. But the online pics of the Canadians look better,
EC
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on September 20, 2023, 10:09:11 PM
Finished a few more...

(https://i.ibb.co/C0Q2nVn/Rural-Para-2-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/VB0rP72/Rural-Para-2-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/wdSjcBM/Rural-Para-2-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/jR3ZB9K/Rural-Para-2-D-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/W0XhNw7/Rural-Para-3-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/WF8QTD7/Rural-Para-3-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/KqP8LDj/Rural-Para-3-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/2cVTH1g/Rural-Para-3-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Rickf on September 20, 2023, 11:31:01 PM
Cracking mate, I hadn't noticed the field dressing on the one cocking his rifle on my ones, beautiful little details on these figures.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on September 21, 2023, 07:10:19 AM
Cracking mate, I hadn't noticed the field dressing on the one cocking his rifle on my ones, beautiful little details on these figures.

It took me a while to realise it wasn't something to attack with a file..!

Here's the last of the infantry.

(https://i.ibb.co/TmrvFhD/Urban-Para-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/cYQzSj1/Urban-Para-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/TYmPdv7/Urban-Para-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/6FF0Tm4/Urban-Para-D-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/0KPVq9R/Para-Kilt-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/6NFnj0R/Para-Kilt-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Nt7NNXX/Para-Kilt-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/hVVGqxB/Para-Kilt-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: FreakyFenton on September 21, 2023, 12:27:36 PM
They are all great, if I had to choose though, I would definitely point out the medic in the former batch and the bloke in his kilt in the latter batch. I do like the paintjob on these specifically, especially the tartan(?).
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Tom Dulski on September 21, 2023, 12:37:21 PM
man the detail on that kilt is incredible, I would never attempt something like that.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on September 21, 2023, 01:43:38 PM
Thanks guys.
The kilt wasn't too taxing. dark'ish blue all over, broad green check pattern (could have done with a second coat, as it dried a tad dark).
Thin red line through the middle of the green, then a thin yellow line down the edges of the green. Finished off with a wash of dirty water...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on October 02, 2023, 06:31:17 PM
Finished a couple of Mortar teams.
Used the figures from an extra pack of the 6 pounder crew.


(https://i.ibb.co/TYYBq7W/Mortar-1-E-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/C62JyMC/Mortar-1-F-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/4jympJz/Mortar-1-G-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/8c89nd6/Mortar-1-H-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/FBH8Bw1/Mortar-1-I-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/nQZ0SRQ/Mortar-1-J-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Dz3NQdm/Mortar-1-K-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: FreakyFenton on October 02, 2023, 06:33:15 PM
The figures are great, however if I had to pick something, the basing really stands out on this one. The bushes especially look realistic. A small diorama.

Great stuff, Ash!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Harry Faversham on October 02, 2023, 06:52:51 PM
The Denison's don't look three bad, either!
 :-*
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on October 02, 2023, 07:11:17 PM
The figures are great, however if I had to pick something, the basing really stands out on this one. The bushes especially look realistic. A small diorama.

Great stuff, Ash!

Cheers, I was going for that dug into a ditch look for this.

The Denison's don't look three bad, either!
 :-*

Thanks Harry. Here's the two that lift out:

(https://i.ibb.co/pLcvq09/Mortar-1-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/wRGdC6z/Mortar-1-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/rH2FPRd/Mortar-1-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/4ZckdDw/Mortar-1-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on October 02, 2023, 07:16:15 PM
That mortar vignette is a masterpiece. The fact that you can see the roots of the foliage in the pit is brilliant. :-*
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on October 02, 2023, 07:26:19 PM
Thanks Carlos.

Here's the other team. With more rather large sand bags, they look smaller when in the making, for some reason once painted they look massive...

(https://i.ibb.co/sJx8pTb/Mortar-2-E-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/fSTcKZb/Mortar-2-F-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/XymY7FH/Mortar-2-G-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/QHR72V0/Mortar-2-H-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/BcFcdQL/Mortar-2-I-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/vjc9SqT/Mortar-2-J-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Rickf on October 02, 2023, 11:54:04 PM
Nailed it mate!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on October 03, 2023, 02:20:46 AM
Nailed it mate!

Wot he sed! :-*
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on October 03, 2023, 07:11:41 AM
Cheers chaps. Here's the last two removable blokes.
6 pounder and Vickers teams still to go...

(https://i.ibb.co/Btj6CZm/Mortar-2-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/x8GHhdh/Mortar-2-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/tH4Xb8p/Mortar-2-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/6vBmj7M/Mortar-2-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: has.been on October 03, 2023, 07:37:35 AM
Quote
That mortar vignette is a masterpiece. The fact that you can see the roots of the foliage in the pit is brilliant. :-*

I had to go back & take another look. Well done!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on October 08, 2023, 10:31:56 AM
Here's the 6 pounder.

(https://i.ibb.co/b1SJW56/Empress-Airborne-6-Pounder-1-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/tYjrxk5/Empress-Airborne-6-Pounder-1-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/k6SwXwM/Empress-Airborne-6-Pounder-1-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/LRNf9MQ/Empress-Airborne-6-Pounder-1-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/yqH5TGP/Empress-Airborne-6-Pounder-1-E-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Rickf on October 08, 2023, 01:46:47 PM
Lovely stuff, is the wheeled combat deckchair for the gun commander? :)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on October 08, 2023, 02:28:30 PM
Lovely stuff, is the wheeled combat deckchair for the gun commander? :)
Just in case any visiting RAF officers should happen to drop in...
I think the chap making a brew should go with it.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on October 08, 2023, 04:02:40 PM
Here's a few more...

(https://i.ibb.co/7kfbvp2/Empress-Airborne-6-Pounder-1-F-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/jzzX59k/Empress-Airborne-6-Pounder-1-G-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Fmn2DpB/Empress-Airborne-6-Pounder-1-H-LR.jpg)

... and the Jeep.

(https://i.ibb.co/rcC0gLD/Airborne-Jeep-1-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/GxjdsR3/Airborne-Jeep-1-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/w7qjq0H/Airborne-Jeep-1-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/3fc9xQg/Airborne-Jeep-1-D-LR.jpg)

forgot to paint that yellow disc on the front.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Digits on October 08, 2023, 04:03:50 PM
Great work mate, really nice!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Harry Faversham on October 08, 2023, 05:28:06 PM
Lovely stuff, is the wheeled combat deckchair for the gun commander? :)

It's a handcart to carry their shopping in.
Ash, how about re-fettling the gun crew a tad as S/Staffs, maybe make one of 'em a Lance Sergeant?
Can you buy this range of figures from Empress, yet?
 :-*
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on October 08, 2023, 09:16:24 PM
Brilliant! :-* :-*

As for the deckchair, I reckon a 6 pounder is an excellent way of ensuring you get your full hour for the three quid you just spent.  :)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on October 08, 2023, 10:21:38 PM
Great work mate, really nice!

Ta very much.
Seem to be ploughing through this lot.
Got the late War 6 pounder after these, and just bagged the old Warlord Para carrying a casualty figure off feeBay.

It's a handcart to carry their shopping in.
Ash, how about re-fettling the gun crew a tad as S/Staffs, maybe make one of 'em a Lance Sergeant?
Can you buy this range of figures from Empress, yet?
 :-*

That particular Lance Sergeant figure is the bloke in the middle. I think I gave him some chevrons, well one set on the right sleeve.
Was toying with the idea of making the base to look like a bit of smashed up garden, but managed to stop myself.
Good idea, what would make them look the part for S/Staffs..?
As for buying from Empress, I don't think they will be on the site any time soon, but I believe another Kickstarter is on the cards, so there may/might be an option to add-on some of these...
You'd have to ask Paul.

Brilliant! :-* :-*

As for the deckchair, I reckon a 6 pounder is an excellent way of ensuring you get your full hour for the three quid you just spent.  :)

Indeed, no argument accepted from the business end of one of those.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on October 09, 2023, 06:53:54 AM
Good idea, what would make them look the part for S/Staffs..?

A gormless expression and an impenetrably adenoidal accent? Maybe bits of pottery scattered on the base? No, that's a wee bit further north. I know... a miniature Bull Terrier.  :D

Liking the jeeps too.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Harry Faversham on October 09, 2023, 11:00:45 AM
Good idea, what would make them look the part for S/Staffs..?

Cap badge on the bloke in the jeep, no wings on the smocks.

:)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on October 09, 2023, 12:55:42 PM
Left off the wings on these.
Good call on the beret badge, I hadn't spotted that. It definitely looks the part. Will add some 'Old Gold' to that.
Going to have another look at the rest now.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on October 09, 2023, 06:25:18 PM
Lovely stuff, as usual, Ash...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Harry Faversham on October 09, 2023, 09:10:47 PM
Ash, you iz di man!
The standard you paint to, yer little men deserve, to be beyond lesser mortals criticism. Happy to help, I love wot you're doing with the Airborne.
 :-*
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on October 10, 2023, 11:20:02 PM
Lovely stuff, as usual, Ash...

Thanks Jim.

Ash, you iz di man!
The standard you paint to, yer little men deserve, to be beyond lesser mortals criticism. Happy to help, I love wot you're doing with the Airborne.
 :-*

Help is always much appreciated, as are the kind feedback comments, though if you saw the way I paint you'd probably spit your tea out..!

Here's the Jeep with added yellow thing, better looking beret badge and should be able to see the kit in the back. A 2" mortar, couple of ammo cases to go with and a Bren.

(https://i.ibb.co/WBcms3Y/Jeep-Staffs-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/wyRQtvM/Jeep-Staffs-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/mvk837V/Jeep-Staffs-C-LR.jpg)


Vickers MMG

(https://i.ibb.co/sJYTDDn/Empress-Vickers-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/68PksDB/Empress-Vickers-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/gDKKvpB/Empress-Vickers-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/D4VcVh2/Empress-Vickers-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on October 11, 2023, 11:28:43 AM
... and the last of them.

The obligatory brew.

(https://i.ibb.co/Rj8CQy6/Mess-Tin-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/6bMSGTd/Mess-Tin-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/nQ1mgWb/Mess-Tin-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/4Rk0JPL/Mess-Tin-D-LR.jpg)

Not sure what the little white specks are; either need to clean my sensor, or run a hoover over the minis prior to taking pictures...

The Warlord special edition 'bloke carrying casualty' figure, found it on eBay, wrangled a pretty good price. He fit's in very nicely with the rest.

(https://i.ibb.co/ZhBqTDQ/Casualty-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/YZSwNf0/Casualty-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/p4gnDNm/Casualty-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/m5mD3QS/Casualty-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Harry Faversham on October 13, 2023, 03:19:05 PM
Thanks Jim.

Help is always much appreciated, as are the kind feedback comments, though if you saw the way I paint you'd probably spit your tea out..!

Here's the Jeep with added yellow thing, better looking beret badge and should be able to see the kit in the back. A 2" mortar, couple of ammo cases to go with and a Bren.

(https://i.ibb.co/WBcms3Y/Jeep-Staffs-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/wyRQtvM/Jeep-Staffs-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/mvk837V/Jeep-Staffs-C-LR.jpg)

Wanna get really anal, jeep wise?
Yer need a thin yeller line right about, there! There was another one painted in the glider, you drove on/in, matched 'em up for perfect weight distribution...
sad knowing that, innit!!!???

:-[  :-X  :-[
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on October 13, 2023, 08:22:45 PM
Nice, that's an easy adjustment.
Any other markings? I have a Warlord decal sheet with Pegasus plate, white 55 on a red background, and a white 41 on a green over blue background.

Also going to add a red cross marking to the small pack in front of the side shovel.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: fred on October 13, 2023, 09:00:40 PM
Great painting!

As to decals, yes, a splash of colour is always good. I’d go for the red arm of service markings as these are for an infantry battalion. The green over blue is for the recce regiment and your jeep looks more infantry battalion!

You would have a Pegasus and the AoS marking on the front - Pegasus on the driver’s side. Where varies a bit, on the bumper is quite common, or a bit higher up at the side of the grill. You might struggle for either location on this model with the stowage!  Same markings on the back. 
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on October 14, 2023, 10:05:42 AM
Great painting!

As to decals, yes, a splash of colour is always good. I’d go for the red arm of service markings as these are for an infantry battalion. The green over blue is for the recce regiment and your jeep looks more infantry battalion!

Great, was going for a generic run about look for this.

You would have a Pegasus and the AoS marking on the front - Pegasus on the driver’s side. Where varies a bit, on the bumper is quite common, or a bit higher up at the side of the grill. You might struggle for either location on this model with the stowage!  Same markings on the back.

Pesky shovel combo getting in the way...  So, the red square with the white '55' on one side of the back end, with little Pegasus on opposite side..?

I've had a fairly good rummage through Google images, and so far not found any period pics of the centre of gravity markings; lots of refurbished ones owned by re enactors, painted model kits and even a superbly well kitted out Action Man para..! So got an idea of what it should look like, but have noticed that only seems to be on the drivers side (shovel side). Does that sound right?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Johnny Boy on October 14, 2023, 04:19:52 PM
 
Wanna get really anal, jeep wise?
Yer need a thin yeller line right about, there! There was another one painted in the glider, you drove on/in, matched 'em up for perfect weight distribution...
sad knowing that, innit!!!???

:-[  :-X  :-[

Really really anal would be the correct mid blue for the bonnet letter and numbers
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on October 16, 2023, 09:57:35 AM

As to decals, yes, a splash of colour is always good. I’d go for the red arm of service markings as these are for an infantry battalion. The green over blue is for the recce regiment and your jeep looks more infantry battalion!


Added splash of colour, cheers for the all the help everyone.

(https://i.ibb.co/rZtXf1B/Jeep-decals-A-LR.jpg)

Really really anal would be the correct mid blue for the bonnet letter and numbers

With added hint of blue...

(https://i.ibb.co/y51Zc4g/Jeep-decals-B-LR.jpg)

Also... took these as a comparison between old and new PH sculpts. All the medical types.

(https://i.ibb.co/D8QQtf7/Medics-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/nwgGQwv/Medics-B-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on October 19, 2023, 01:13:56 PM
Picked up some rather nice resin drop canisters and panniers from 1st Corps.

(https://i.ibb.co/6DXpZ8X/Drop-Canister-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/w0zjcK4/Drop-Canister-B-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/6XWLLxL/Drop-Pannier-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/st4ycZH/Drop-Pannier-B-LR.jpg)

Finished the trolleys from Offensive miniatures.

(https://i.ibb.co/L1BX0KG/Offensive-Miniatures-Airborne-trolly-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/z8F2J8p/Offensive-Miniatures-Airborne-trolly-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/KwgdB8M/Offensive-Miniatures-Airborne-trolly-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/bXJXxjb/Offensive-Miniatures-Airborne-trolly-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on October 19, 2023, 09:21:34 PM
Take grandpapa out into the garden in his bath chair for some fresh air dear.

Lovely work. This is a magnificent project.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Eclaireur on October 20, 2023, 10:05:19 AM
Love these Ash, maintaining your usual inspirational standard  ;D
- You probably know this but I think the Warlord guy carrying a casualty is a Paul Hicks sculpt that he did ages ago and was reissued...
- fred + Harry, love your nerdy points on jeep markings - needless to say mine are wrong but now you've got me thinking...
- the Offensive handcart (this type was made by Jaguar cars) was used by glider troops. The new Empress/Hicks Arnhem kickstarter one is the correct, collapsible, cart used by parachute battalions. And there's me calling others nerds  :D
EC
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Harry Faversham on October 20, 2023, 01:17:12 PM
Just keep talking yer tablets E, then all will be well in nerd world!
 :?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Battle Brush Sigur on October 20, 2023, 03:40:46 PM
Excellent work there. :) Paintingwise, modelling-wise AND I really like the basing.
One question, if I may- how do you do the black background of the photos?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on October 20, 2023, 05:47:43 PM
Lovely work. This is a magnificent project.

Cheers Carlos, glad you like them, much appreciated. Been a lot of fun.

Love these Ash, maintaining your usual inspirational standard  ;D
- You probably know this but I think the Warlord guy carrying a casualty is a Paul Hicks sculpt that he did ages ago and was reissued...
- fred + Harry, love your nerdy points on jeep markings - needless to say mine are wrong but now you've got me thinking...
- the Offensive handcart (this type was made by Jaguar cars) was used by glider troops. The new Empress/Hicks Arnhem kickstarter one is the correct, collapsible, cart used by parachute battalions. And there's me calling others nerds  :D
EC

The casualty bloke, I think you get (or used to get) with one of the Warlord books or large model sets. Just had a look and couldn't see him, although did notice a special edition wounded Para throwing a grenade and a Major John Howard figure. I know he wasn't at Arnhem, but I will track down both , eventually...

I love all the 'nerd points'. The amount of pictures I've looked at and still miss a lot, until someone helpful points it out, and then the light bulb in what's left of my grey matter goes on, accompanied by a long Oooh, and a why didn't I spot that earlier.
I did spot another thing 'wrong' with the now blue numbers on the Jeep, the first number should be a '5', for Airborne. I'm not however scraping it off...

Hand carts; have ended up with quite a lot. Three of the small, one medium and two of the combat deckchair variety.

Excellent work there. :) Paintingwise, modelling-wise AND I really like the basing.
One question, if I may- how do you do the black background of the photos?


Thank you very much, basing was a bit of a battle (the grey rubble), but happy with the end result.

The black background is just an off-cut piece of black velvet that I found on eBay. I prop it up on some old foam inserts that came out of KR cases.

(https://i.ibb.co/rZQtGkW/BTS-background-LR.jpg)

Now that the Paras are done I'm going to finish off this non-airborne 6 pounder, that's been sitting on the sidelines.
Just got hold of a Loyd Carrier to go with it. (Rubicon resin model). Comes with a couple of really nice ammo cases, could do with more of those...

(https://i.ibb.co/N6FSPF7/WIP-6-pounder-AT-Gun-A-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/RvGLShy/WIP-Loyd-Carrier-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on October 20, 2023, 11:40:58 PM
Possibly because the wheels seem to be hovering above the base but that 6 pounder does look rather on the large size. Gunshield seems to pretty much just cover the heads of a kneeling crewman in all te photos I've seen. Lovely layout though, every piece a mini diorama.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on October 21, 2023, 03:44:57 AM
Possibly because the wheels seem to be hovering above the base but that 6 pounder does look rather on the large size.

It is a fairly solid unit, and  currently is in hover mode. Well spotted.
I drilled holes in the tyres, and added brass rod pins to fix it to the base.
Still need to drill some holes in the base. It should end up sittimg a couple of mm lower.

Base will get some hedge, grass, mud and patchy snow (that hopefully won't turn green, this time).
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on October 21, 2023, 04:33:53 AM
Well you could leave it suspended in mid-air and say it's the real airborne version.  ;)

Who makes the Loyd Carrier? That's a lovely little casting.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on October 21, 2023, 09:53:17 AM
Got the carrier from Rubicon, very nicely cast. Very promptly posted.
Only critique would be; could have done with more of the ammunition cases.

https://rubiconmodels.co.uk/collections/british-vehicles/products/loyd
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on October 21, 2023, 11:12:54 AM
Cheers!. Have quite a few of their placcy kits, just built an M113 as it happens but not tried their resin offerings. Bit tempted by a Sheridan and if the castings are as clean as that, it's been bumped up the list.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on October 21, 2023, 01:26:53 PM
Cheers!. Have quite a few of their placcy kits, just built an M113 as it happens but not tried their resin offerings. Bit tempted by a Sheridan and if the castings are as clean as that, it's been bumped up the list.

It's a very nice cast, minimal clean up. I did give the main body and the canopy a dunk in hot water, to push the sides of the body out and the canopy in, just to get a nice fit. Then there are a few metal bits (lights & those little side bits over the running gear). Overall it's probably a nats on the small side for the gun, but not enough to get worked up over.

Do you know how the Rubicon M113 compares (size wise) to the Empress ones?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on October 21, 2023, 01:51:46 PM
A bit smaller (1/56 vs 1/50). That said the size difference isn't as big as I would have thought and the Rubicon version is much better detailed. Thing has almost a full interior, I'm tempted to open one up and trick it out as a diorama item. They even give you the decals for the interior and it has an engine. You get two versions of the driver,  a full sized one you can seat at the controls and a simple head and shoulders version.

I got a bit tired waiting for Empress to do an Aussie bucket and well, (a) it's not likely to appear next to it's bigger bretheren and (b) it kind of works better with the smaller Paul Hicks sculpts. I think with the modern Empress ranges, which are more like 32mm then 1/50 is the way to go but this looks about right with the Australian infantry.

Anyway here's what they look like side by side. Apols for the thread diversion.

Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Shahbahraz on October 21, 2023, 03:45:27 PM
If you have access to a 3d printer then there is an Aussie APC available from Bob Mack 3d https://bobmack3d.myshopify.com/
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on October 28, 2023, 06:42:07 PM
Thanks for the side by side of the M113s, they don't look that different. Should work pretty well together.

On the Airborne front; just finished a most excellent book 'Arnhem Lift' by Louis Hagen. Thanks to Harry for the recommend.

https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=142941.0

Following on from that, had a bit of a rummage around YouTube, and found this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04KsMDFP-G8&t=980s



Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on October 28, 2023, 11:22:25 PM
Most interesting! Thanks for sharing that Ash.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on October 29, 2023, 11:49:37 AM
Before this ends up covered in mud, I want to add some vehicle markings.
Not sure whether this would be part of a 4th Batt KOSB anti tank platoon ( if there was one) or attached from another unit (RA?).

(https://i.ibb.co/k4kdTsx/WIP-Loyd-Carrier-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/4SwXcMT/WIP-Loyd-Carrier-B-LR.jpg)

6 Pounder so far...

This will end up with some snow.
For unit markings on battle dress, should that be on both shoulders?

(https://i.ibb.co/RNG1Byj/WIP-6-Pounder-pre-snow-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/6vxNhN5/WIP-6-Pounder-pre-snow-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/VH4rCXH/WIP-6-Pounder-pre-snow-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/6gLPmjG/WIP-6-Pounder-pre-snow-D-LR.jpg)

Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Harry Faversham on October 29, 2023, 06:27:54 PM
If they're KOSBie Airborne yes, both shoulders on the BD, nowt on the Denison's, unless rank badges. Hope that helps, mate.
 :)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on October 29, 2023, 08:56:11 PM
If they're KOSBie Airborne yes, both shoulders on the BD, nowt on the Denison's, unless rank badges. Hope that helps, mate.
 :)

Cheers Harry. These blokes are for my late War 52nd Div.
These are the battle dress badges I added to some before, however I only did the left sleeve. Wondering if it should be both sides?

(https://i.ibb.co/qkdkd7f/WW2-British-Badges-2-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/0np0Bcf/WW2-British-Badges-3-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/x7DVzYt/WW2-British-Badges-4-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/SxTt2cz/WW2-British-Badges-5-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/jftxbR1/WW2-British-Badges-6-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on October 29, 2023, 10:33:09 PM
Regimental flash, arm of service strip and divisional sign on both sleeves on BD along with rank chevrons, if any.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on October 29, 2023, 10:34:32 PM
Example:

https://www.themilitariadealers.com/en-GB/uniforms-and-combat-clothing/37-battledress-blouse-the-buffs-size-16-1941-dated/prod_55307
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: commissarmoody on October 29, 2023, 11:43:09 PM
Those badges really pop on those uniforms.  :o
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Paratrooper 42 on October 30, 2023, 08:43:34 AM
I never tire of catching up with this thread, always superb work in here. 
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on October 30, 2023, 06:41:24 PM
Regimental flash, arm of service strip and divisional sign on both sleeves on BD along with rank chevrons, if any.

Thanks for the info.
I now have eighteen to do...

Those badges really pop on those uniforms.  :o

Ta very much.

I never tire of catching up with this thread, always superb work in here. 

Thanks, much appreciated.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on October 31, 2023, 11:37:10 PM
Well, that is more nicely painted stuff!  Well done!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on November 04, 2023, 12:55:49 PM
Cheers Jim.

Added the badges to the right arms of the ones in BD.
Re did the rifles and added brass buckles to the whole lot.

(https://i.ibb.co/HdxSXj3/Unit-badges-2-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/V3gkVyw/Unit-badges-2-B-LR.jpg)

Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: commissarmoody on November 04, 2023, 08:53:32 PM
Looking Great!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on November 04, 2023, 08:57:23 PM
Fabulous! :-*
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Jemima Fawr on November 05, 2023, 01:16:19 AM
Before this ends up covered in mud, I want to add some vehicle markings.
Not sure whether this would be part of a 4th Batt KOSB anti tank platoon ( if there was one) or attached from another unit (RA?).

(https://i.ibb.co/k4kdTsx/WIP-Loyd-Carrier-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/4SwXcMT/WIP-Loyd-Carrier-B-LR.jpg)

6 Pounder so far...

This will end up with some snow.
For unit markings on battle dress, should that be on both shoulders?

(https://i.ibb.co/RNG1Byj/WIP-6-Pounder-pre-snow-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/6vxNhN5/WIP-6-Pounder-pre-snow-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/VH4rCXH/WIP-6-Pounder-pre-snow-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/6gLPmjG/WIP-6-Pounder-pre-snow-D-LR.jpg)
Fabulous stuff!  :-*

4 KOSB definitely had the standard AT Platoon of six 6pdrs.  Divisional AT Regts RA also had the odd 6pdr Troop (a three-way split in each battery of 6pdr, 17pdr and M10 3-inch - a Troop of four of each was fairly common).  However, the 6pdrs steadily started disappearing from the AT Regts RA throughout 1944, being replaced by towed 17pdr and then Valentine SP 17pdr.  However, I've nothing specific for 52 Div.  Safest bet is to mark them as 4 KOSB.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on November 07, 2023, 09:50:46 AM
Cheers chaps, always much appreciated.


Fabulous stuff!  :-*

4 KOSB definitely had the standard AT Platoon of six 6pdrs.  Divisional AT Regts RA also had the odd 6pdr Troop (a three-way split in each battery of 6pdr, 17pdr and M10 3-inch - a Troop of four of each was fairly common).  However, the 6pdrs steadily started disappearing from the AT Regts RA throughout 1944, being replaced by towed 17pdr and then Valentine SP 17pdr.  However, I've nothing specific for 52 Div.  Safest bet is to mark them as 4 KOSB.

Bloody marvelous, thank you very much.

(https://i.ibb.co/yFLKxB2/Loyd-Carrier-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/DKn8C7n/Loyd-Carrier-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/42KQr37/Loyd-Carrier-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/ZLc7bWS/Loyd-Carrier-D-LR.jpg)

May need to go back and do some touch up to the dodgy freehand...

I did find these which may be of some use:

http://www.kerynne.com/games/BritishInfantryBttnTOE.html

http://www.wdbsa.nl/division_markings.htm

...and whilst the 'snow paste' was out, added some to these blokes.

(https://i.ibb.co/w4rGPrr/Pioneers-1-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/R7x99ny/Pioneers-1-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/cXT9c05/Pioneers-1-C-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/vsFvjf1/Pioneers-2-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/brKCLD2/Pioneers-2-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/FBjF0DS/Pioneers-2-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/n0xKBfZ/Pioneers-2-D-LR.jpg)

Some of the snow added to the gun base went 'par for the course green', so will need to be removed and an application of harsh language applied prior to taking any pics...

Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Shahbahraz on November 07, 2023, 12:37:31 PM
Fabulous stuff!  :-*

4 KOSB definitely had the standard AT Platoon of six 6pdrs.  Divisional AT Regts RA also had the odd 6pdr Troop (a three-way split in each battery of 6pdr, 17pdr and M10 3-inch - a Troop of four of each was fairly common).  However, the 6pdrs steadily started disappearing from the AT Regts RA throughout 1944, being replaced by towed 17pdr and then Valentine SP 17pdr.  However, I've nothing specific for 52 Div.  Safest bet is to mark them as 4 KOSB.

I don't suppose you have equivalent data for the Cameronians?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Jemima Fawr on November 07, 2023, 04:22:36 PM
Lovely markings!  And that was very quick work! :)

Re the Cameronians: Every infantry battalion in NW Europe had the standard AT Platoon of 6x 6pdrs, so the 6th & 7th Cameronians in 52 (L) Div would have had the same as 4 KOSB. 

The 6pdr tractor vehicle was USUALLY the Loyd Carrier (lovely example shown above), but could also be the Windsor Carrier (stretched Universal Carrier) or the T16 Carrier (stretched Universal Carrier with track-brake steering).  Unless you have photographic evidence, it's almost impossible to determine which unit had which.  There were two tractors assigned to each gun detachment (the second tractor towed an ammo trailer).

Something I forgot to mention is that 5 KOSB of 52 (L) Div famously knocked out a pair of Tigers in one action with their 6pdrs. :)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on November 07, 2023, 06:51:12 PM
Lovely markings!  And that was very quick work! :)

Thanks, it's a very nice little cast and pretty much painted itself.
I'm still fighting with the 'snow effects' on the gun base and hope I haven't just f'd the whole thing up.
Did just cross my mind that I should have made up some more 'dead grass' looking tufts, as I ended up using up the last of those I'd made for the Arnhem figures, and they are probably too summery green...

Something I forgot to mention is that 5 KOSB of 52 (L) Div famously knocked out a pair of Tigers in one action with their 6pdrs. :)

Hadn't come across that before, interesting info.
Just did a google search for '5th KOSB Tiger tank' and found this :

http://overlord-wot.blogspot.com/2019/01/the-battle-of-forrest-damp.html
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on November 07, 2023, 07:33:56 PM
Snow terrain looks fine. Green tufts? New growth of spring. I had similar issues with my 1940 Norwegians and that was my justification.

Cracking good read that linked article. Cheers!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Shahbahraz on November 07, 2023, 07:35:34 PM
Cracking good read, but seems a bit unfair DCM vs MC? When they basically did the same thing?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on November 07, 2023, 07:45:58 PM
They weren't, the OR's equivalent was the MM. British army, indeed most Commonwealth armies have always been parsimonious in handing out gongs.

If it was the tin tanks he would have got the MoH, Silver Star, a couple of Boy Scout badges and been made a Star Fleet commander.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: fred on November 07, 2023, 09:33:54 PM
Great painting on the figs and vehicles.

I did find these which may be of some use:

http://www.kerynne.com/games/BritishInfantryBttnTOE.html


Glad you find my site useful - been a while since I updated it.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Shahbahraz on November 08, 2023, 01:46:10 AM
They weren't, the OR's equivalent was the MM. British army, indeed most Commonwealth armies have always been parsimonious in handing out gongs.

If it was the tin tanks he would have got the MoH, Silver Star, a couple of Boy Scout badges and been made a Star Fleet commander.

That was my point. If the officer got an MC, then the private who did the same should have got an MM, instead he got a DCM.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on November 08, 2023, 03:02:34 AM
Agreed but Commonwealth armies have always been shit at handing out gongs, especially to ORs. Quota system in play.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Shahbahraz on November 08, 2023, 09:39:56 AM
Agreed but Commonwealth armies have always been shit at handing out gongs, especially to ORs. Quota system in play.

I've always said the dead cert way to win a medal in the British Army is to rescue your Rupert.. Officer witness .. tick...    encourage the other oiks to do the right thing.. tick...  etc
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: FreakyFenton on November 09, 2023, 05:34:32 PM

Hadn't come across that before, interesting info.
Just did a google search for '5th KOSB Tiger tank' and found this :

http://overlord-wot.blogspot.com/2019/01/the-battle-of-forrest-damp.html

Am I mistaken or isn't this also mentioned by Peter White in his book "With the Scots through Europe", I seem to recall him mentioning a similiar encounter. I do have one in mind, where he and someone manage to avoid a Tiger from firing by shooting the barrel with a PIAT, but I seem to also recall this story. I could be mistaken though!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Jemima Fawr on November 10, 2023, 11:00:45 AM
That was my point. If the officer got an MC, then the private who did the same should have got an MM, instead he got a DCM.
The DCM is a higher award than an MC or MM. :)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Rickf on November 11, 2023, 08:41:57 AM
Ash, what impresses me most is that you've separated out the leather jerkin wearers into a separate unit from the windproof gang. So simple and obvious, yet I never thought of it.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on November 12, 2023, 10:47:29 AM
Ash, what impresses me most is that you've separated out the leather jerkin wearers into a separate unit from the windproof gang. So simple and obvious, yet I never thought of it.

Funnily enough you weren't the only one who never thought of it...!
I think you may be crediting my grey matter with more acumen than it deserves, but thank you all the same. ;)
It wasn't my intension, but I do have enough in BD for most of a section.
I just separated this lot as they were the ones in need of a uniform upgrade ( badges on the right sleeve).


Think I'm done swearing at the 6 pounder, although I do need to touch up the edge of the base.

(https://i.ibb.co/TYS7N8m/4th-KOSB-6-pounder-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/6JxkcJ1/4th-KOSB-6-pounder-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/DRH5DCC/4th-KOSB-6-pounder-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/VgybmDm/4th-KOSB-6-pounder-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/yBQvtd6/4th-KOSB-6-pounder-E-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/7pNV7ZG/4th-KOSB-6-pounder-F-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/d6KCdsy/4th-KOSB-6-pounder-G-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/G3QL1LX/4th-KOSB-6-pounder-H-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/42QHxRD/4th-KOSB-6-pounder-I-LR.jpg)

Whole thing:

(https://i.ibb.co/Bjm31gn/4th-KOSB-6-pounder-Complete-LR.jpg)

Next up; found this Warlord Commando MMG on eBay. Added Denison bits. Bloke with Tommy Gun will get added to the SAS group, the rest will go with the Arnhem lot.

(https://i.ibb.co/nkm9cxL/WIP-Commando-conversion-MMG-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Yjr3XwV/WIP-Commando-conversion-MMG-B-LR.jpg)



Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: fred on November 12, 2023, 12:13:42 PM
Great work on the 6pdr - it could easily be a modelling diorama rather than a wargames peice
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on November 12, 2023, 04:44:42 PM
Yeah - they all look good.  Well done!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Jemima Fawr on November 12, 2023, 07:03:30 PM
Flippin' excellent!  :-*
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on November 12, 2023, 08:36:05 PM
Nothing says Christmas at John Lewis more than a 6 pounder in the snow.

That really is superb. Individually each piece is gorgeous but the sum of its parts takes it to the sublime. I've seen competition winning 1/35 dioramas at modelling shows that don't come close to that.

Was there a particular trick to get the heavy snow build up onto the hedge? Keen to try this on my newly acquired pine tree collection.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on November 12, 2023, 11:46:49 PM
Great work on the 6pdr - it could easily be a modelling diorama rather than a wargames peice

Thanks fred.

Yeah - they all look good.  Well done!

Cheers Jim.

Flippin' excellent!  :-*

Thanks, and thanks for the info re KOSB AT platoon.

Nothing says Christmas at John Lewis more than a 6 pounder in the snow.

That really is superb. Individually each piece is gorgeous but the sum of its parts takes it to the sublime. I've seen competition winning 1/35 dioramas at modelling shows that don't come close to that.

Was there a particular trick to get the heavy snow build up onto the hedge? Keen to try this on my newly acquired pine tree collection.

Thanks Carlos, much appreciated.

The snow is just a mix of Woodland Scenic 'soft flake snow', PVA and water.
On the hedge it all turned bright green. I wasn't too surprised, assuming the colour leached out of the green flock stuff (Luke's APS mid green fine 2 in 1 flock).
On the ground that had Vallejo 'thick mud' acrylic paste, it went a mix of green and pissed on snow. I'd had that happen before, so had chucked some varnish over the mud. Didn't work.
I scraped most of that off, tried a new base layer of Vallejo environment snow, sort of thick textured paint (acrylic again) as a base layer, still went green. Then slopped on some MIG acrylic resin, made a nice wet look to the ground and set fairly hard. New snow' over the top, still not quite white.
I eventually applied a liberal amount of Gorilla super glue, which I noticed dried slightly cloudy, on top of the hedge and various parts of the ground. It dried looking like ice (bonus points) and made a good seal between the flock/ mud and the next batch of snow. Once it dried any really dodgy bits of green I just slapped some white paint on, then another layer of the Woodland scenic concoction. Which is why it looks a bit thick, but at least it's not green...

If I was going to do this again (snow on a hedge), with the same materials. I think I'd cover the top of the hedge with neat PVA, to let it set fairly solid, then seal it with the super glue (bonus ice effect), then the snow stuff on top of that.


Also added some range thingies to the Arnhem mortar pit:

(https://i.ibb.co/tB3hSqY/Finish-mortar-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on November 13, 2023, 05:07:52 AM
Sounds like a real labour of love. Thanks for the tips.

Mortar pit is looking grand.  :-* :-* Just be aware that's not how aiming posts are set up. Presumably they have just dumped them there in their rush to get the mortar into action. Top marks for their inclusion, rarely do you see gamers put such items on the table.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: fred on November 13, 2023, 07:48:00 AM
Great persistence with the snow - it has come out great - and the super glue ice effects really work well, give the look of snow slightly melting round the edges.

I too found issues with ground coverage showing through the snow flock - I went with painting the area to get the snow white. But this was over the basic brown base, separate to the any flocked areas.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on November 13, 2023, 10:07:31 AM
Sounds like a real labour of love. Thanks for the tips.

Mortar pit is looking grand.  :-* :-* Just be aware that's not how aiming posts are set up. Presumably they have just dumped them there in their rush to get the mortar into action. Top marks for their inclusion, rarely do you see gamers put such items on the table.

In all honesty I haven't a clue how these things are used, my only experience with a mortar is dropping a couple of inert drill rounds down a tube on a cadet camp in Germany back in the mid '80's.
Only added them as I noticed some in this pic, still not sure of their correct name.

(https://i.ibb.co/jJHL2KP/3-mortar-LR.jpg)

Didn't have any thinner rods, hence the stout look...

Great persistence with the snow - it has come out great - and the super glue ice effects really work well, give the look of snow slightly melting round the edges.

I too found issues with ground coverage showing through the snow flock - I went with painting the area to get the snow white. But this was over the basic brown base, separate to the any flocked areas.

I should have known better.
First figures I added the snow to had been based with the Vallejo thick mud, but they had then been sitting in a box for several months before I got around to the snow. I'm assuming in that time it fully cured and set hard. The snow stayed white, so thought nothing of it. Later additions where the 'mud' was still relatively fresh went green. So from then on I just stopped putting the mud on bases that were going to end up 'wintery'.

With this 6 pounder I think I was just still in 'Arnhem' autopilot mode, and made something that looked quite summery; then the light bulb went on and realised it should be snowy to fit in with the rest...
It's only these two products that I've noticed a self inflicted issue. Static grass, tall shrubbery, pigments, washes etc don't seem to leach any colour, fully cured and dry mud, not a problem. The green flock should have been a red flag, as it's literally marinaded in some sort of ink/paint, so the colour soaking into the wet snow should have been expected.
 
The icy looking super glue was an unexpected bonus, not sure if all superglues do that, the one I used was Gorilla 'Super Glue' impact tough formula. It was also quite cold when I did this, not sure if that was a factor.

All good fun and part of the learning curve, some bits are just a tad steeper than others...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Rickf on November 13, 2023, 07:03:18 PM
Only added them as I noticed some in this pic, still not sure of their correct name.

Advanced 81mm instructor to the rescue :)They're called aiming posts mate, they're still used nowadays and the design hasn't changed since that photo was taken. Basically you take a bearing from the sight on the mortar to the aiming post and adjust the bearing scale on the sight to read whatever that bearing is. Then the sight can be used like a compass to drop rounds on the correct bearing. It's a bit more complex, but that'll do for now. They should be set out about 20 meters in front of the mortar, obviously in a pit you aren't going to see them, so they come with a bracket to connect 2 together so it's double the height. In this case the pit is so deep that they probably still wouldn't see them. In such cases you can put them on the side of the pit and use them as normal,  it's not accurate but when firing at enemy who are very close....
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on November 14, 2023, 12:45:09 PM
Thanks Rick. Much appreciate all the helpful info being shared here.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Harry Faversham on November 15, 2023, 08:27:26 AM
In such cases you can put them on the side of the pit and use them as normal,  it's not accurate but when firing at enemy who are very close....

The enemy were very close when that famous piccy was taken. One of the mortar crew, mentioned the angle of the tube, in a subsequent interview.

 :)

Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on November 16, 2023, 10:42:05 AM
This might be of interest:

https://www.liberationroute.com/pl/pois/676/the-mortar-pit
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on November 18, 2023, 05:43:47 PM
Anyone happen to know what the correct bridging weight number is for a Sherman Firefly V C ?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Jemima Fawr on November 18, 2023, 06:13:36 PM
30 or 33, depending on which source you read or which photo you look at.  Both were used, though I would expect all Fireflies in a regiment (or brigade) to be marked with the same weight class. 

1st Polish Armoured Division, for reasons only known to themselves, marked theirs with 40!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on November 18, 2023, 06:37:11 PM
30 or 33, depending on which source you read or which photo you look at.  Both were used, though I would expect all Fireflies in a regiment (or brigade) to be marked with the same weight class. 

1st Polish Armoured Division, for reasons only known to themselves, marked theirs with 40!

Marvelous. I found pics of various standard Shermans with a 30, thought a Firefly might be a tad heavier.
The decal sheet I have has 30, 31, 33, then 35, 36 & 37..! Hence the confusion.

I think I'll go with the 33, unless I trash the decal, then I can have 30 as a back up.

Thanks
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Jemima Fawr on November 18, 2023, 06:50:17 PM
Yeah, they were a bit random.  I seem to remember 31 being used by someone, but can't find the specifics.  Re 35, 36 & 37; I have no idea, but someone probably used them somewhere! :)

I was wondering if they were perhaps used by Sherman Ib (105mm) or Sherman IIa (76mm), but all the examples I can find of those tanks simply have the standard Sherman 30.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Jemima Fawr on November 18, 2023, 07:02:10 PM
Just occurred to me that the higher numbers were possibly for the Sherman Crab flail?

From a bit of reading, the standard weight number for Sherman V was actually 33, with Vc Firefly being increased in September 1944 to 35, but there are countless photos showing 30!  Weirdly, I then find lots of bog-standard Sherman I belonging to 33 Armd Bde painted as Class 33 when they should be Class 30!

This may be due to the fact that divisional REs were primarily geared toward building Class 30 bridges, which in turn were over-engineered and therefore more than capable of taking a Sherman.  It was in nobody's interest therefore' to 'disallow' Shermans from using Class 30 bridges.  By 1945 the divisional RE TO&E had been modified to build Class 40 bridges as standard and that may explain why we see Polish Fireflies in 1945 carrying 40.

It's certainly a confusing subject...  I remember another discussion where the Canadians adopted 5 as the standard weight class for Carriers, as when loaded with all the crap that troops brought with them, they could often be closer to Class 5 than their official Class 2!  lol
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on November 18, 2023, 07:24:12 PM
My only attempt at a universal / Bren Carrier, I just added a random round yellow circle decal to it (no clue what it represented) with a rather bold 40.
Thankfully it was pointed out that would be somewhat heavy for a Carrier. Turned out that should have gone on the Churchill..!

Higher number for the Crab sounds like good logic.

I managed to attach the 33 without breaking it.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: .:Gunslinger:. on November 19, 2023, 01:20:11 PM

Also added some range thingies to the Arnhem mortar pit:

(https://i.ibb.co/tB3hSqY/Finish-mortar-LR.jpg)

Fantastic work! The groundwork and vegetation just look so realistic and nice, the roots sticking out of the sides of the pit are an excellent addition!

How did you make the bushes (big and small) ?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on November 19, 2023, 04:00:11 PM
Fantastic work! The groundwork and vegetation just look so realistic and nice, the roots sticking out of the sides of the pit are an excellent addition!

How did you make the bushes (big and small) ?

Cheers, glad you like it.

Not really a lot to it; tall plants are from Green Stuff World called 'Tall Shrubbery', the bushes are that rubberised horsehair stuff (looks like coconut fiber covered in a thin latex), bit of spray glue then dunked in flock. No need to even add paint...


Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on November 25, 2023, 08:35:08 AM
Finished the Commando to Airborne Vickers team.

(https://i.ibb.co/hgGn4QG/GPR-Vickers-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/DVNvTpt/GPR-Vickers-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/7y5vLgY/GPR-Vickers-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/p42ymj9/GPR-Vickers-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/p0QFMqn/GPR-Vickers-E-LR.jpg)

The last bloke with Tommy Gun will get added to the very small SAS group.

(https://i.ibb.co/qsTGpbF/SAS-3-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/HXccNLF/SAS-3-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/MSDym1L/SAS-3-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/GtCBJFT/SAS-3-D-LR.jpg)

Nice big paint splat on his backside, put that down to Mk I eyeball failure...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Rickf on November 25, 2023, 09:07:13 AM
Must have been getting a bit warm for him to lay his smock on the deck, cracking little detail on a lovely piece mate.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on November 25, 2023, 09:29:16 AM
Just a bit of fun. That bloke didn't really look 'baggy' enough, and has a lot of straps. The loader has pretty baggy sleeves, so looked the part smock wise.
Plus I had a left over lump of uncured Apoxie Sculpt, so thought I'd have another go at making a jacket...

Here's the Sherman Firefly. Tried making a tarp out of tissue paper, look a bit crap so hid it with a camo net.

(https://i.ibb.co/rdM5Lzq/Sherman-Firefly-VC-H-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/j9NcgLy/Sherman-Firefly-VC-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/sKTHj6P/Sherman-Firefly-VC-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/cDSDTMK/Sherman-Firefly-VC-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/cFR8gs6/Sherman-Firefly-VC-E-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/fnjrZTr/Sherman-Firefly-VC-F-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/1qdY3KT/Sherman-Firefly-VC-G-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on November 25, 2023, 04:07:20 PM
Now, that is a Firefly!  Well done!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on November 25, 2023, 04:23:05 PM
Indeedy! Is that the Tamiya one?

Love the doffed smock, brilliant bit of work.

By the by on one of the other threads here, a chap has used wet wipes rather than tissue for tarps as they hold moisture better. Going to try that one myself.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on November 25, 2023, 05:18:00 PM
Now, that is a Firefly!  Well done!

Thanks Jim. Think I may have forgotten to varnish it..!

(https://i.ibb.co/NF3yw9L/Sherman-Firefly-VC-I-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/nb7yYTr/Sherman-Firefly-VC-J-LR.jpg)

Indeedy! Is that the Tamiya one?
Love the doffed smock, brilliant bit of work.
By the by on one of the other threads here, a chap has used wet wipes rather than tissue for tarps as they hold moisture better. Going to try that one myself.

It's the Rubicon option:

https://rubiconmodels.co.uk/collections/british-vehicles/products/280088-m4a4-sherman-firefly-vc

Picked it up from eBay, nice kit; has an extra turret which I'll turn into a terrain piece at some stage. Also has an excellent decal sheet.

The smock was mainly because I didn't think the gunner would work if I tried to add one to that figure, fitted the space on the base quite nicely.
A second attempt at doing clothing, previous effort was a camo shirt for Cpt Willard on the PBR:

(https://i.ibb.co/0fdNRJN/28mm-PBR-Front-LR.jpg)

Another eBay find , was the Stanley Hollis VC figure from Warlord. He's a bit bigger than their other blokes, not by a lot...
Gave him a windproof smock to add to the winter British.

(https://i.ibb.co/WpTYBwq/Hollis-VC-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/GVFL4hH/Hollis-VC-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/jRDg504/Hollis-VC-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/zGQcNmj/Hollis-VC-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Harry Faversham on November 25, 2023, 05:39:44 PM
Had the honour of chatting to Stan at a Green Howard's reunion, many years ago.
 :)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Baron von Wreckedoften on December 01, 2023, 09:53:36 PM
Quite a dour character by all accounts.  (My experience of very brave chaps is that they often aren't what you might call a "people person".)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Harry Faversham on December 02, 2023, 11:16:04 AM
Someone said very much the same thing about Major Cain VC of the South Staffs. New Occifer walked into the Mess and asked who was that inoffensive little fellow sat in the corner reading a newspaper. He got the shock of his young life when said 'little fellow' lowered his paper, revealing the purple ribbon on his BD!

:o
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on December 10, 2023, 10:48:36 AM
Needed another section to finish the unit, so got these blokes. Will add snow...

(https://i.ibb.co/74bLStg/Warlord-Winter-British-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/vXVz1Vj/Warlord-Winter-British-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/GF9v747/Warlord-Winter-British-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/7VsVdpW/Warlord-Winter-British-D-LR.jpg)

Like the detail on the chap second from left, sporting a D Day Battle Jerkin.

(https://i.ibb.co/3ctCJSb/Warlord-Winter-British-E-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/dmwP1mg/Warlord-Winter-British-F-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/JKj4qqP/Warlord-Winter-British-G-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/qdhW6zn/Warlord-Winter-British-H-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on December 10, 2023, 12:28:04 PM
Very nice. The chap with the gas cape/poncho draped over his back is an excellent figure. Who is manufacturer of the greatcoated lot?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on December 10, 2023, 03:32:25 PM
Who is manufacturer of the greatcoated lot?

They're all part of the same set, Winter British, Warlord metal figures.

https://store.warlordgames.com/products/british-infantry-section-winter?_pos=6&_sid=d9110685e&_ss=r
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on December 10, 2023, 08:55:11 PM
Cheers! I was blithely unaware of those.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on December 11, 2023, 07:58:45 AM
They're pretty much straight out of the box, only thing I adjusted was the rather bulky front end of the rifles. Just filed down the bottom of the 'metal' bit under the foresight.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on December 11, 2023, 09:06:48 AM
I wonder who sculpted those? They look like a decent fit with the Empress Range. I often dismiss WG too readily, largely cos they are all over the place but forgetting there are some gems in there, like Paul Hicks old paras.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on December 11, 2023, 05:41:56 PM
Size wise, they should look the part next to the Empress late War Brits. I'll take some pics...

...and talking about Paul Hicks old Paras, after reading Louis Hagen's book 'Arnhem Lift' I thought it would be rude to not add at least one section of Polish Airborne.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on December 12, 2023, 09:53:16 PM
Here's the size comparison; pretty much bang on.

(https://i.ibb.co/R76yWnk/Empress-Warlord-comparison-LR.jpg)

 Empress, Warlord, Empress, Warlord
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on December 12, 2023, 10:45:38 PM
Cheers! Paras don't surprise me. Same sculptor.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on December 16, 2023, 10:04:29 PM
Those winter British look good.  And thanks for the comparison shot...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on December 22, 2023, 01:36:08 PM
Just finished off a section of the Warlord Polish blokes to go with the Arnhem crowd.

(https://i.ibb.co/g9N5fC1/Polish-Airborne-1-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/K6F0zLd/Polish-Airborne-1-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/rwS4nxw/Polish-Airborne-1-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/YNz3xs3/Polish-Airborne-1-D-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/VL5N1hG/Polish-Airborne-2-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/5hk3sRC/Polish-Airborne-2-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Cs23yHc/Polish-Airborne-2-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/302Hcc1/Polish-Airborne-2-D-LR.jpg)

Forgot to paint the edge of the bases...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: brunei35 on December 22, 2023, 03:27:31 PM
Look excellent as usual!  :)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on December 22, 2023, 07:13:41 PM
Wonderful!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: MaleGriffin on December 22, 2023, 11:19:37 PM
Gorgeous! Masterful brushwork and basing!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: FreakyFenton on December 23, 2023, 04:06:47 PM
Great ensemble. The pigstickers look especially sharp, no idea if it is the lighting or your painting or both.  :)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on December 23, 2023, 08:56:01 PM
Thanks guys. Wondering if there will be any Polish in the next Arnhem heroes kickstarer.

Great ensemble. The pigstickers look especially sharp, no idea if it is the lighting or your painting or both.  :)

The pigstickers were sanded a bit, then black primer & graphite (aka scribbled on with a pencil...), does catch the light quite nicely.

A Jerry mortar team. Finalists in the '1944 Hohenstaufen Gurning competition'

(https://i.ibb.co/SmXY8k2/SS-mortar-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/LSQbmny/SS-mortar-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/MMDtZVq/SS-mortar-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/kxCdVHH/SS-mortar-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Jzbw2TC/SS-mortar-E-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: bluewillow on December 23, 2023, 08:59:40 PM
Lovely work Ash

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on December 23, 2023, 09:12:07 PM
Thanks Matt.

Did this slightly wonky Pak 40 at the same time; it's also a contestant...

(https://i.ibb.co/t8pVv2J/Pak-40-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/095SBQB/Pak-40-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/m4Q9Jfy/Pak-40-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/T06R6Mw/Pak-40-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/mFBYDTw/Pak-40-E-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/z540kF2/Pak-40-F-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on December 23, 2023, 10:46:32 PM
The Poles look great! (which one is Gene Hackman?)

Those German guns look great too (yes, technically, a mortar is a gun... 8))!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: FreakyFenton on December 27, 2023, 12:28:22 PM
Oh fair enough, got to remember the trick with the sanding and pencil lead! Thank you, Ash!

Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on January 04, 2024, 11:18:19 AM
A Warlord Sd.Kfz 251

(https://i.ibb.co/mD66j5q/sd-kfz-251-A-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/DLBkwqB/sd-kfz-251-B-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/yqKgMcr/sd-kfz-251-C-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/jfBmJrf/sd-kfz-251-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on January 04, 2024, 12:42:54 PM
 :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Basementboy on January 04, 2024, 07:20:42 PM
Splendid stuff! Thanks for sharing ;)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Tom Dulski on January 05, 2024, 12:25:55 PM

 Indeed it is good, wonderful work on the pea dot.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on January 06, 2024, 05:47:18 PM
Like that halftrack...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on January 13, 2024, 04:39:48 PM
Found this 3D printed Horch on eBay:

(https://i.ibb.co/P5wcdfK/Horch-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/b1g8L4G/Horch-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/RTMrYjp/Horch-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Btn44sB/Horch-D-LR.jpg)

The driver is part of the print, the stowage is bits from Empress packs.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on January 13, 2024, 06:58:57 PM
That ain't bad either!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: commissarmoody on January 14, 2024, 07:37:54 AM
Pretty cool.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on January 14, 2024, 09:51:07 AM
Rather spiffy!

The driver is printed as part of the vehicle? Must make it a bugger to paint.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on January 14, 2024, 02:09:03 PM

The driver is printed as part of the vehicle? Must make it a bugger to paint.

Tad inconvenient trying to get the brush through the steering wheel...
His boots are still just primer and only slapped some field grey on his legs.

Other than that, a bit of layering on the internal wheel arches (mainly hidden with stowage) and the license plate bits being too small for decals , it's not a bad print.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/256170787915?hash=item3ba4f8044b:g:07kAAOSwYD5kzmwp

Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on January 24, 2024, 09:44:45 PM
Warlord resin Marder III

(https://i.ibb.co/RY74VGX/Marder-A-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/Vw692st/Marder-B-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/CwcmB16/Marder-C-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/jZdNkCb/Marder-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Tom Dulski on January 25, 2024, 01:38:48 AM

 Very nice, where are the 2 figures from?
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: tomrommel1 on January 25, 2024, 06:32:08 AM
Very nice indeed
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on January 25, 2024, 09:51:53 AM
Very nice, where are the 2 figures from?

They came with the vehicle, bit of a tight fit to get them inside.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on January 25, 2024, 11:18:57 AM
That's rather nice! :-*
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on January 25, 2024, 03:39:41 PM
Nice Marder, as usual... :D
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on February 03, 2024, 03:45:44 PM
Found a chap on eBay selling some of the RKX kickstarter prints, picked up the RAM Kangaroo. Fits in with the other stuff pretty well.
Same width as the Rubicon Firefly, little bit shorter, but I think that's as it should be...

(https://i.ibb.co/xS7vRcp/Kangaroo-APC-A-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/DWq1fw5/Kangaroo-APC-B-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/71zbkR7/Kangaroo-APC-C-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/3RqTbBZ/Kangaroo-APC-D-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/S0F2whB/Kangaroo-APC-E-LR.jpg)

Decals are from Warlord.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on February 03, 2024, 06:27:44 PM
Ooh!  I like that!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on February 03, 2024, 07:59:39 PM
That is rather nice!

Yes, it should be a bit shorter as the  Firefly (M4A4) hull was longer than other Sherman variants and thus, presumably, the RAM.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on February 03, 2024, 09:19:34 PM
It's quite a nice print, the three blokes are a separate piece (torsos on a round base) that just drops in.
Whilst rummaging through his other items I found the LVT-4 with Polsten. As I already had the Rubicon LVT-4 he printed me a rather nice Polsten that fits the bill, and a .30cal with shield.
Added some decals to it at the same time. Probably need to add more crud n muck to the sides, as the bits I touched up are reflecting the flash differently to the old paint...

(https://i.ibb.co/DrJBMP0/LVT4-Polsten-A-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/kJcngdk/LVT4-Polsten-B-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/TL1GWxk/LVT4-Polsten-C-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/XYH3hhD/LVT4-Polsten-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on February 03, 2024, 09:33:33 PM
Oh, I don't know.  It looks just fine to me.  But I'm easy to please...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on February 03, 2024, 10:52:39 PM
Looks pretty much spot on to me. :-*
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Basementboy on February 05, 2024, 11:48:26 PM
Looks fine by me- thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on February 11, 2024, 02:43:39 PM
A little Sd.Kfz 222

(https://i.ibb.co/5vvnbg0/sdkfz-222-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/856VyK1/sdkfz-222-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/1zmBbnw/sdkfz-222-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/PtP9rYG/sdkfz-222-D-LR.jpg)

Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on February 12, 2024, 05:57:23 PM
Cute little bugger!  :D
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Tom Dulski on February 13, 2024, 12:23:20 PM

 man that officer looks great.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Thargor on February 13, 2024, 06:00:47 PM
Ahh Oberluetnant Gruber's Little Tank - great paint job.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on February 14, 2024, 08:36:55 AM
That's the one...

(https://i.ibb.co/d2SwLXs/250406-10150199970573830-3649600-n.jpg)

Just spotted that Rubicon do some resin stowage kits; inc one for a 222.

https://rubiconmodels.co.uk/products/282uk004-222-223-armoured-car-stowage-kit-resin?_pos=9&_sid=97b6efa0a&_ss=r

This one for a Sherman could have some useful bits to add to the Kangaroo.

https://rubiconmodels.co.uk/products/282uk009-m4a4-firefly-hybrid-stowage-kit-resin?_pos=8&_sid=97b6efa0a&_ss=r
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Thargor on February 14, 2024, 06:37:48 PM
Those stowage sets look great.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on February 28, 2024, 09:19:17 AM
Those stowage sets look great.

I just received another Sherman Plus a stowage pack. They have been molded so they key into the detail of the kit.
So long as you're happy with the placement they will fit flush eg the tarp and crate bundle on the rear of the Sherman has the shapes of all the tools etc impressed into the underside.
Perfect fit, no floating stowage...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Eclaireur on February 28, 2024, 09:59:19 PM
I've ordered the sets for the US halftrack + the Sdkfz 222. Very much looking forward to putting them together with the kits.
It's a savvy step by Rubicon, these sets aren't cheap but then they're not running a charity. If I had a criticism I'd say they look a bit tarp-tastic, cos you know, bed rolls and tarps are easy to sculpt. Need some more camouflage nets, ration + ammo boxes, odd bits of looted kit.
but hey, they've got my money!
EC   
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on February 28, 2024, 11:22:16 PM
There's a cheap source of other stowage,  clearly not Rubicon quality but none the less useful here:

https://anyscalemodels.co.uk/collections/wargames-accessories-1-56-or-28mm.

Admittedly 1/48 but the Tamiya stowage kit is a very useful resource and won't break the bank. Has kit for both German and Allied vehicles.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on March 01, 2024, 06:47:12 PM
I've ordered the sets for the US halftrack + the Sdkfz 222. Very much looking forward to putting them together with the kits.
It's a savvy step by Rubicon, these sets aren't cheap but then they're not running a charity. If I had a criticism I'd say they look a bit tarp-tastic, cos you know, bed rolls and tarps are easy to sculpt. Need some more camouflage nets, ration + ammo boxes, odd bits of looted kit.
but hey, they've got my money!
EC   

Totally agree, lots of tarps. If Rubicon did a box of just the six pounder ammo containers that came with the Loyd Carrier I'd be snapping that up.

(https://i.ibb.co/DRH5DCC/4th-KOSB-6-pounder-C-LR.jpg)

There's a cheap source of other stowage,  clearly not Rubicon quality but none the less useful here:

https://anyscalemodels.co.uk/collections/wargames-accessories-1-56-or-28mm.

Admittedly 1/48 but the Tamiya stowage kit is a very useful resource and won't break the bank. Has kit for both German and Allied vehicles.

Thanks for the link. No seen that site before, which is a bit weird considering the amount of Google searches I've made for terrain and stowage.
That said there is a rubble pile on the 2nd page of '28mm WARGAMES ACCESSORIES' that looks very similar to something I found on eBay:

https://anyscalemodels.co.uk/products/rubble-pile

(https://i.ibb.co/QHR72V0/Mortar-2-H-LR.jpg)

Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on March 04, 2024, 10:54:56 AM
Second Sherman, with some of the resin stowage bits.

(https://i.ibb.co/tqWV4S9/Sherman-2-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/483130t/Sherman-2-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/WDwgz0X/Sherman-2-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/4164qtB/Sherman-2-D-LR.jpg)

Added some to the Kangaroo, there was also a length of track that got added to the Firefly.

(https://i.ibb.co/McnG080/Kangaroo-stowage-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/yYGNZ4V/Kangaroo-stowage-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/DrQqK2J/Kangaroo-stowage-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/KyNQ4F7/Kangaroo-stowage-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/X73YhnY/Kangaroo-side-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Harry Faversham on March 04, 2024, 12:07:53 PM
Love 'em, especially the Kangeroo. I've seen piccys of them going up the line, neat stowage, looking spic and span. The same vehicles coming back look like Steptoe's rag and bone cart. That's the look I went for on mine, but think I've overdone it!

:)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on March 04, 2024, 01:22:00 PM
Love 'em, especially the Kangeroo. I've seen piccys of them going up the line, neat stowage, looking spic and span. The same vehicles coming back look like Steptoe's rag and bone cart. That's the look I went for on mine, but think I've overdone it!

:)

Cheers Harry. Seen pics of them crammed with all bar the kitchen sink...

(https://i.ibb.co/bJgkTVk/2udj5h.jpg)

Also did a White Half track ambulance.

(https://i.ibb.co/1ds8STF/White-Halftrack-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/w0TpkC9/White-Halftrack-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/5rZxTtt/White-Halftrack-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/1fHrJp5/White-Halftrack-D-LR.jpg)

Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on March 04, 2024, 05:04:03 PM
More great additions to your collection.  Well done!
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on March 04, 2024, 05:44:30 PM
Cheers Jim.
Here's all the bits of Brit kit so far:

(https://i.ibb.co/557pTCQ/Shermans-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/fG18jgv/Cromwell-Churchill-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/B68pwz4/APCs-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/5BvFp0Q/Carriers-LR.jpg)

Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on March 04, 2024, 05:55:28 PM
Lovely looking track. Of course the price for posting that other photo is that you will need to name it Albert.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on March 06, 2024, 08:07:00 AM
Lovely looking track. Of course the price for posting that other photo is that you will need to name it Albert.

I think 'Albert' is a definite improvement over my first choice, the 'Dirty Old Man'...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on March 06, 2024, 10:07:45 AM
The downside is that you'll then want a White Scout Car to call Harold.

You know the theme music was stuck in my head for days after you posted that?  :-[
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on March 06, 2024, 05:45:20 PM
That's quite the collection.  Well done, lad...

After I get back from Florida in late March, I'll start adding to my WW2 collection, including some US and German vehicles.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on March 08, 2024, 12:02:04 PM
The downside is that you'll then want a White Scout Car to call Harold.

You know the theme music was stuck in my head for days after you posted that?  :-[

Ahh, good times...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRaiiT3ZnJw

That's quite the collection.  Well done, lad...

After I get back from Florida in late March, I'll start adding to my WW2 collection, including some US and German vehicles.

Cheers Jim, look forward to seeing those.
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on March 18, 2024, 10:34:42 AM
Just disappeared down a 6th Airborne (D-Day) rabbit hole. Here's a few book recommendations.
Started with:

'Pegasus Bridge' by Stephen Ambrose. A pretty good introduction.

'The Pegasus and Orne Bridges' by Neil Barber. Very good read; covers training, personnel, and the operation and aftermath. Personally think this is a better book than Ambrose, if had to chose just one.

'The Tale of Two Bridges' based on the diary of Col R.G Pine-Coffin (OC 7th Para). Fills in a lot of detail as to who was where and when, outside of the Glider assault force.

'The Manner Of Men' by Stuart Tootal. Covers 9th Para; training, Meriville Battery, fighting around Bois du Mont / Chateau St Come/ Breville. An excellent book that doesn't pull its punches in describing just how horrific the combat was.

'The Devil's Own Luck' by Dennis Edwards. Covers training, bridge attacks, aftermath through to Op Varcity. Another excellent book. I'd recommend reading this after 'The Manner Of Men', as Edwards vividly describes moving into the area previously defended by 9th Para following the attack on Breville by 5th Black Watch (51st Highland Div), and the German counter attack.

Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Harry Faversham on March 18, 2024, 01:33:49 PM
I've got Dennis Edwards' Parachute jump wings in my collection, corresponded with him for many years.
Don't get this one, you'll be down the rabbit hole forever!

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/a9kAAOSwtEFkq4Dw/s-l300.jpg)

 ;)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on March 18, 2024, 08:25:07 PM
I've got Dennis Edwards' Parachute jump wings in my collection, corresponded with him for many years.
Don't get this one, you'll be down the rabbit hole forever!

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/a9kAAOSwtEFkq4Dw/s-l300.jpg)

 ;)


Wow, that's a very cool item to have.
Found a copy, on order, rabbit hole that little bit deeper...
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on March 19, 2024, 02:14:11 AM
For loads of photos, videos, combat reports etc try the Para Data website.

https://www.paradata.org.uk/

https://www.paradata.org.uk/event/arnhem-operation-market-garden

and of course for the atmosphere, anything is a good excuse to watch Theirs Is The Glory one more time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=fiFeYxlPYy4

Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Harry Faversham on March 19, 2024, 12:53:00 PM

Wow, that's a very cool item to have.

It certainly is. After the Ox and Bucks reverted back to line infantry, Dennis joined the Paras, serving in Palestine.
 :)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on April 07, 2024, 03:36:12 PM
Picked up a Warlord 'Airborne Support Group' pack on that well known auction site.

(https://i.ibb.co/jzddqTH/Warlord-Para-command-2-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/hMLn0ks/Warlord-Para-command-2-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/THp9461/Warlord-Para-command-2-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/gV4820q/Warlord-Para-command-2-D-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/CKt68G3/Para-Vickers-5-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/DKzv19q/Para-Vickers-5-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/3RRsyQD/Para-Vickers-5-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/dtcZrnb/Para-Vickers-5-D-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/PD4C4V3/Para-Mortar-5-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/C1Y2x7b/Para-Mortar-5-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/pfRF2F9/Para-Mortar-5-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/68DjwjH/Para-Mortar-5-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/NrXk3bY/Para-Mortar-5-E-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/F5BY3CL/Para-Mortar-5-F-LR.jpg)

Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: Ash on April 08, 2024, 02:21:17 PM
Got these from Warlord, not sure if the RAF bloke would have been wearing his RAF trousers or battle dress, but they didn't have a thigh pocket...

(https://i.ibb.co/nCp941p/FOB-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/GWQG0N3/FOB-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/s6C243R/FOB-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/BzSsjvs/FOB-D-LR.jpg)

Also got this beast going at a snails pace. SBG / AVRE conversion kit is from S&S, tank is the Warlord option.

(https://i.ibb.co/1qzzzBR/WIP-ARVE-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: carlos marighela on April 09, 2024, 01:51:56 AM
RAF. Come as you are, wear what you want, just make sure the top button is unfastened.  :)

Lovely work mate! :-* :-*
Title: Re: 28mm late war British & Germans
Post by: CapnJim on April 09, 2024, 09:01:43 PM
Nice work on those.  As usual, of course...