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Other Stuff => General Wargames and Hobby Discussion => Topic started by: Predatorpt on March 10, 2019, 02:49:21 AM
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Found out about these guys about a year ago, when they did a survey on the Steel Legion Facebook group. They asked if people would be interested in more plastic miniatures compatible with 40k Imperial Guard and such.
And they are now open for business with both 40k compatible plastic miniatures and Fantasy ones (skeletons) :o
https://www.facebook.com/wargamesatlantic/
https://wargamesatlantic.com/ - Coming soon, it should open today.
You can see some samples of the sprues and even painted figures on this blog:
http://www.dwarfcrypt.pl/2019/03/enpl-echo-base-echo-base-do-you-copy.html?fbclid=IwAR2tVIKv3EntvtjT-dMGrHLEQyn_O2vaFuL-1m_4m3QyP4UPYmEinmfJggs
Details on the sprues:
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ag3K4xqIoo8/XINvD56aUaI/AAAAAAAAe4U/j6p9iQBr5lgUNl8yVp631oxrJxMwxR1rgCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_20190304_185519.jpg)
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eHCDcCjZqUY/XINvFVEsXQI/AAAAAAAAe4k/TM_56kgRTJQyVsSWOHX54lZPw3cJmniYQCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_20190304_185634.jpg)
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-AIR-OPCmhJ4/XINvF8MsmkI/AAAAAAAAe4o/ZhUBPaF86N4lwSK7wS10jFYlEiomzYDPQCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_20190304_194419.jpg)
And some painted examples
(https://i.imgur.com/22eb1pk.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/IFuigeZ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/aETvMCB.jpg)
Looking at the skeletons and the name...I think they could be Wargames Factory with a new name. Anyway, nice to see more plastic miniatures for my stash lol
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Very useful , thanks for the heads up!
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Interesting.
I was thinking they might work as Hydra troopers, though Star Wars is an interesting thought (to fight the Anvil Fusileers).
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The skellies look interesting, like the beastman skull, we need more diversity in our walking abominations against life. As for the troopers the sculpting on the gun arms looks very ropey, can't really get past that, might be the photos, will wait for further evidence.
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re. gun arms. It looks like folds of cloth. What were you expecting?
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It's the ratio between the upper and lower arms, looks wrong and the elbow might be missing. It could be perfectly accurate, but it looks wrong to me and that's harder to do something about. ;)
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If I were that company I’d take great care not to be mistaken for Defiance Games.
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Those skellies have my attention :)
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They just mentioned the prices for the Sci-fi Figures. A box of 24 troopers will be $34.95/£25. They didn't say if the price is similar for the Skeletons :\
And here's a comparison photo of one of their skeletons with a Victrix figure:
(https://i.imgur.com/6vd47iE.jpg)
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Might as well chime in, I painted the skeletons for them :)
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Might as well chime in, I painted the skeletons for them :)
Ahaha, great to know. How's their quality? What was your hands-on experience with them?
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Ahaha, great to know. How's their quality? What was your hands-on experience with them?
The tooling is really great, almost zero mold line cleanup, just some around the ribs on one or two. Detail is very 'paintable'. The proportions (bone thickness, length, head-body etc.) remind me of the classic GW skeletons from the olden days (a good thing in my opnion). Legs seemed a tad short prior to painting but I didn't hold that against them for long. They're chunky, but one of the criticisms of the Wargames Factory skeletons was they were too thin and fiddly, these guys go together pretty quick and should be pretty durable, even the pike. The animal head on the standard (just a spear) could go on a body no problem.
There is one torso/pelvis that doesn't have the legs attached, which is on the fiddly side, but it does allow a person to make a standing, or running, skeleton if they want to, or just use the parts for scenic reasons. I wasn't sold on that idea at the start but overall my impression is very positive and I wish the manufacturer had sent me an extra sprue- I'd have built them right away ;)
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Thanks for the review! Glad to know that they aren't thin like the old WF ones. :o
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Yes many thanks. I would like to buy some of both sets, I wonder if they will have a UK stockist, or even better, may be on sale at Salute?
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Don't know if they'll be at Salute but they replied to me saying they'll have both a UK and US store.
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Great looking models, the Skeletons might find their way into my WHFB Tomb King army somehow!
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Don't know if they'll be at Salute but they replied to me saying they'll have both a UK and US store.
They do appear to be going to the UK Games Expo at the NEC end of May/beginning of June.
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Very intrigued by the skeletons!
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Had preview access to their website and there might be some more information on my blog about the skeletons. Heard they are also working on a historical range. Think these will be available in the UK through Nortstar Miniatures (distributor) and Warbanner Miniatures to be used for their Mortal Gods game.
https://wargameterrain.blogspot.com/2019/03/breaking-wargames-atlantic-new-hard.html?m=1
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The skellies look good and as other have said remind me of the classic GW kit. I wonder if they will produce a random assortment of kits or if they plan to produce ranges.
I could well be tempted to build a force of them for WoE.
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I spotted that on your email Belgian. They do look very nice. A bit thicker than the WGF ones which is good for sturdiness. I'll be grabbing one lot when they come out. Although I'm confised, are they 3 or 4 skeletons to a sprue as there is an extra ribcage and a couple of legs. Do they need putting together to make a 4th skeleton or are they purely for spicing up some bases with remains?
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I spotted that on your email Belgian. They do look very nice. A bit thicker than the WGF ones which is good for sturdiness. I'll be grabbing one lot when they come out. Although I'm confised, are they 3 or 4 skeletons to a sprue as there is an extra ribcage and a couple of legs. Do they need putting together to make a 4th skeleton or are they purely for spicing up some bases with remains?
Glad you are following Wargame News and Terrain ;)
edit - just noticed it's you Kieran!
There are four skeletons to a sprue, so think 8 sprues per box (total 32 minis) There are 3 'assembled' bodies and one where you can position the pose and legs.
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The site is now live:
https://wargamesatlantic.com/
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There are four skeletons to a sprue, so think 8 sprues per box (total 32 minis) There are 3 'assembled' bodies and one where you can position the pose and legs.
Right, the sprue has three torso/pelvis/legs integrated. One just torso/pelvis and two separate legs.
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Does anyone know who they are? Who is running the company? I got the
email today, but it doesn't give any names. Curious as to who is behind the
curtain.
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Very Wargames Factory ... and sub-standard as a result
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Does anyone know who they are? Who is running the company? I got the
email today, but it doesn't give any names. Curious as to who is behind the
curtain.
The person running it is a gentleman named Hudson Adams. There's a number of freelancers doing the 3D design, illustrations, etc... some fairly well-known industry names.
Very Wargames Factory ... and sub-standard as a result
I wouldn't call the skeletons sub-standard. In your opinion (sticking to plastic manufacturers) who would you say is 'above standard', and who is simply 'standard'. I'm looking for a basis of comparison.
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Glad you are following Wargame News and Terrain ;)
edit - just noticed it's you Kieran!
There are four skeletons to a sprue, so think 8 sprues per box (total 32 minis) There are 3 'assembled' bodies and one where you can position the pose and legs.
:) Good to know mate
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Dr. Mathias, thanks for the information. I had not heard of this company before
I got the email. I think I may have answered a poll about plastic miniatures, but
it did not give any information on who was doing them. Hope it works out, we can always use more plastic miniatures.
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A little bit late, and possibly a tiny bit off-topic, but I just can't hold back any longer. I've never collected skeletons, and probably won't start now, however good the offerings, but I hope someone can answer the question that's been bugging me ever since I saw the picture of the animated cadavers: why - and indeed how - is the 'musician' sounding the horn? Is he just mindlessly adopting the pose he presumably used prior to death and decomposition? To what degree, if any, is he aware of the absence of sound he is producing, and the consequent futility of his actions?
Quite seriously, is a hornist regularly featured in skeletal armies, and, if so, do the appropriate army lists account for the absurdity? Yes, I know it's magic, but no animation spell I've ever heard of was able to reproduce lungs - if it could, why not all the other organs? Am I the only one who cares about this?
[Edit] The horn doesn't look like any Greek instrument I've ever seen either, though that's rather beside the point in this instance.
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Good point. That's another thing they can't do.
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why - and indeed how - is the 'musician' sounding the horn? Is he just mindlessly adopting the pose he presumably used prior to death and decomposition? To what degree, if any, is he aware of the absence of sound he is producing, and the consequent futility of his actions?
Thank you - this has always annoyed me too about skellies! It is common enough: I remember the old Grenadier (??) undead war mammoth had a skeleton horn blower. Makes no sense at all to me. Skellies should always have drummers :)
On topic: those troopers really don't seem good enough for what is a crowded market these days.
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Thank God it's not just me. I'm not about to start a protest campaign, but it needed to be said.
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Well, since they don't have any brains left it makes perfectly sense to me :D.
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The "undead horn blower" question has been something I have thought about as well from time to time.
I guess I just explain it as there being a legacy personality that lingers and "goes through the motions", not necessarily making any noise.
Since it's magic, I guess that the magic could manifest an unearthly noise that doesn't rely on physics or lungs.
I've never played skeletons in a format, like a rank-and-file game, that had musicians so I never worried too much :)
If you're into skeletons there's a fun little indy RPG called "The Skeletons": https://bullypulpitgames.com/games/the-skeletons/
Lingering memories can play a role in that one.
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I think a skeleton horn blower is more eerie and spooky than a drummer. Because it makes no sense.
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Under 99% of circumstances, I dislike the answer "it's magic" when answering any questions about a fantasy world. (Typically because it seems just about anything is suddenly possible, and no logic or real-world physics apply anymore, despite the fact that they clearly do in most contexts in any single fantasy universe I'm aware of).
This is one of those 1% of cases. The skellieboys not only don't fall apart, but are able to move without muscles, tendons or nerves. Can aim to strike without eyes or brains. How? Well, magic, clearly. A magic that simultaneously can't keep the pieces together if you hit said skellieboy often enough. Is it then so far-fetched that this same magic can create a local movement of air, a miniature windblast spell, to allow a horn to be sounded?
Alternatively, as said, maybe it doesn't make a sound. They probably won't realise, given that they lack ears too.
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I'm all for skeleton horn-blowers. It's eerie - especially if the horns do make a sound - and there's plenty of artistic precedent for it:
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0895/0864/products/xjf2920826_1024x1024.jpg?v=1468321755)
(https://blog.nli.org.il/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/theskelatonsplayfordance1-768x506.jpg)
Also, isn't there a New Orleans/voodoo trope about skeleton musicians playing saxophones?
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...and there's plenty of artistic precedent for it:
Cool images!
There's definitely some in Brueghel's Triumph of Death:
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/66/91/fc/6691fcab96d9a83ad1078520e8502e47.jpg)
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OK, I concede. If it's good enough for Brueghel - and Bosch, at a guess - then who am I to argue? I did, in fairness, suggest they might be "going through the motions", but I'm much more at peace with the idea now. Thank you, everyone.
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Maybe a bladder installed in its head? lol
How to ... Make a Draco (3) - the Noise (http://www.fectio.org.uk/articles/makedraco3.htm)
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Maybe a bladder installed in its head? lol
How to ... Make a Draco (3) - the Noise (http://www.fectio.org.uk/articles/makedraco3.htm)
Now that's a piss poor excuse ;) lol
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Wargames factory with a new front then?
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Nope, but apparently using the same artist. Remember Wargames Factory wasn't the problem it was the dickhead trying to run things who was finally kicked out and started up Defiance Games (which also subsequently failed with some unfulfilled Kickstarters if I remember).
Wargames Factory was left in better hands, but they opted to stop designing bespoke kits and shifted over to production (if I remember correctly).
So it could very well be the same artist...hell maybe the same sculptors, but I heard on another forum there is no connection to the bad egg (whose name I can't recall right this second).
I do honestly think it's a risky proposition though - because of how shockingly similar the products look. It was the very first thought I had "Wait, is this Defiance Games in a new suit!?"
If anyone has better info I'd like to hear it.
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I think your right about Wargames Factory, I'm pretty sure they produce all the Dreamforge minis and Warlord now distribute their stuff over here...or maybe they just bought the sprues...?
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They definitely sold their in-house lines of miniatures to Warlord (now available...at higher costs), but I don't actually know if they're still in the business of making stuff - I agree it's at least the Dreamforge kits. I used to run into one of their main guys (not the jackass) at a convention in Raleigh but that convention has since closed up shop. I'm a bit out of the loop nowdays.
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Wargames Atlantic sent me two prototype 3D printed Halflings to paint. The detail on the prints was insane and give a good indicator of the quality of the set. They're going to be pretty cool.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kU_ivRhAR3Y/XSDomNRHf6I/AAAAAAAABiQ/MpQD4oCm-uUEwjm8n9C_1bHLSOMniFpngCLcBGAs/s1600/WA-Halfings.jpg)
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A quality box of Halflings could do well - don't think I've ever seen a company take them seriously.
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The Halflings look amazing and Wargames Atlantic will have my money.
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Nice ones. Will start pout with a box of their skellingtons, though. Looking pretty good and one never can have enough skellies ;).
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Halflings.
Plastic.
Multipart.
Multipose.
I may have just nerdgasmed. :o
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my - those halflings do look good.
would the actual production run be 3d printed - has it come so far already?
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No, beyond "special edition" figures etc., no company has the time/money to 3D print mass army minis. They'll be HIPS plastic like most modern Renedra/Oathmark, etc. kits.
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Right, the commercial release will be good ole' plastic. They're in production now.
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I'm pretty excited about some of their projects. Persians, halflings, dark age Irish. Even the sci-fi German paras, to a lesser extent. (not to mention the skeletons - a welcome addition)
I do wish the price was cheaper, but being a new company and them trying to recoup their initial start up costs I guess they have to start somewhere.
@Elbows and Lost Egg, you can tell whether sprues are made by Wargames Factory (WGF) by their frame alignment pins. (those little cups on one side of the sprue and the pin on the other that make the sprues stack so nicely and not scrape together in the box - a very simple, and in hindsight, ingenious method)
WGF entered into an agreement with Warlord Games so Warlord is the sole distributor of their older products (http://www.warlordgames.com/update-partnership-with-wargames-factory/ (http://www.warlordgames.com/update-partnership-with-wargames-factory/)).
Of course, this also means a reciprocation which we are just beginning to see. That of WGF being the company to make the sprues/frames for Warlord Games.
The latest Warlord release of Crimean War Russian infantry is made by WGF. You can see the sprue in Wargames Illustrated July 2019 (https://www.wargamesillustrated.net/shop/wi381-july-2019/ (https://www.wargamesillustrated.net/shop/wi381-july-2019/)).
Yes, the prices have jumped astronomically and despite Warlord's claims of " in some cases altering the mix of components on some sprues to give more models per frame – we want you to have the best possible products!", the reality is they have REDUCED the number of models per frame (see the modern infantry set where they halved the amount of bodies on the sprue to 4 from 8).
So yes, WGF makes the sprues for Dreamforge Games and many others.
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Yeah, WGF used to be quite popular because of how astounding their value was. Their oldest kits were definitely soft, but by the end their kits were extremely decent. When I heard they were going to Warlord...I forgot about them. :P
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No, beyond "special edition" figures etc., no company has the time/money to 3D print mass army minis. They'll be HIPS plastic like most modern Renedra/Oathmark, etc. kits.
ah, right. thanks.
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If of possible interest posted my review of the Skeletons earlier this week
https://wargameterrain.blogspot.com/2019/07/wargames-atlantic-plastic-classic.html?m=1 (https://wargameterrain.blogspot.com/2019/07/wargames-atlantic-plastic-classic.html?m=1)
Great quality set of miniatures, really top-notch!
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If of possible interest posted my review of the Skeletons earlier this week
https://wargameterrain.blogspot.com/2019/07/wargames-atlantic-plastic-classic.html?m=1 (https://wargameterrain.blogspot.com/2019/07/wargames-atlantic-plastic-classic.html?m=1)
Great quality set of miniatures, really top-notch!
Good review and photos. I will have some of these for sure.
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I's like to see a good review of the Sci-Fi troopers...I assume they will do some matching heavy weapons at some point.
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Wargames Atlantic sent me two prototype 3D printed Halflings to paint. The detail on the prints was insane and give a good indicator of the quality of the set. They're going to be pretty cool.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kU_ivRhAR3Y/XSDomNRHf6I/AAAAAAAABiQ/MpQD4oCm-uUEwjm8n9C_1bHLSOMniFpngCLcBGAs/s1600/WA-Halfings.jpg)
They look fantastic. Great paint job. Is it possible for you to do a scale comparison shot please?
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I's like to see a good review of the Sci-Fi troopers...I assume they will do some matching heavy weapons at some point.
Review of the scifi troopers will hopefully follow swiftly, first a review of the new Fireforge Fantasy Northern Cavalry!
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They look fantastic. Great paint job. Is it possible for you to do a scale comparison shot please?
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/39/4060-110719042554-397221131.jpeg)
Foundry Nymph, Old GW (80s), GW Ratling (Blackstone Fortress), Wargames Atlantic, Red Box Goblin, Lead Adventure Dwarf, Vendel Hobbit (I think), Wargames Atlantic
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/39/4060-110719042554-397211108.jpeg)
WA Skeleton, Old GW (80s), Wargames Atlantic, Oathmark Goblin, Wargames Atlantic, GW Plastic, Otherworld Ranger
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/39/4060-110719042553-397191384.jpeg)
WA Skeleton, Frostgrave Soldier Plastic, WA Halfling, Frostgrave Plastic Cultist, WA Halfling, GW metal Dwarf, Copplestone Barbarian Queen
My painted fantasy collection has increased 500% in the last month, but that's all I have for halflings. I'd toss in a Perry or Fireforge plastic but I don't have any built.
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Awesome paint jobs sir!
The Halflings stand up well against the other minis.
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Thanks for the comparison shots. The rest of your painting is excellent too.
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Thank you gents, I live to serve.
Review of the scifi troopers will hopefully follow swiftly, first a review of the new Fireforge Fantasy Northern Cavalry!
Hold up... you have some of the Fireforge Kickstarter Forgotten Worlds in hand already?
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Thank you gents, I live to serve.
Hold up... you have some of the Fireforge Kickstarter Forgotten Worlds in hand already?
Yeah, one box each of the Northern faction and with a couple of the undead sets underway I think.
Pre-release review kits for the website, have already reviewed the bowmen quite a while ago. Not complaining 😀
http://wargameterrain.blogspot.com/2019/01/fireforge-games-new-plastic-fantasy.html?m=1
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Ooo posh, am waiting for mine to turn up but I'm in no rush as have too much to paint anyway :D
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Ooo posh, am waiting for mine to turn up but I'm in no rush as have too much to paint anyway :D
Three undead boxes have arrived today, looking even cooler than the Northern faction.
The included zombie dogs are quite large and vicous, very cool and the undead peasants are great too with plenty of options!
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Three undead boxes have arrived today, looking even cooler than the Northern faction.
The included zombie dogs are quite large and vicous, very cool and the undead peasants are great too with plenty of options!
I look forward to your review.
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I look forward to your review.
As do I. Still waiting for my FF pledge (no hurry though - plenty more on the lead/plastic/resin pile).
We have a local show this week and I plan to pick up the WA skellies if they're available. Concur with the above comment that one can never have too many of 'em.
Also like your brushwork. Hope my Barbarian Queen (80 per cennt done) is half as good as yours!
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I look forward to your review.
Thanks, much more reviews planned ;)
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Very nice figures.
According to their Facebook page more news next week for 'Les Groniards' ?
https://www.tabletopgaming.co.uk/miniature-games/news/exclusive-wargames-atlantic-shows-off-new-art-for-french-sci-fi
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Grabbed the skellies on Saturday - they're pretty nice (one helmet option only though) and should fit the bill for a range of gaming options.
the IG French chaps look interesting too.
Was contatced by FF asking if I'd like the bulk of my pledge now and the peasant pack to come along later (and pay the extra postage) or if I'd prefer to wait and get them as the one job lot woth no extra postage. Good customer service there.
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Is it me or are the WA skeletons really tall?
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The WA skellies do look a little oversize for 28mm: too tall and too bulky. Imagine that skeleton inside the 28mm fig next to it. Still, I like a robust skeleton that can stand up to clumsy gamers, so the size won't stop me from getting a box of these. ;)
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The WA skellies do look a little oversize for 28mm: too tall and too bulky. Imagine that skeleton inside the 28mm fig next to it. Still, I like a robust skeleton that can stand up to clumsy gamers, so the size won't stop me from getting a box of these. ;)
Looking again, I think I should have actually commented on the size of the Frostgrave minis being small...
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The WA skellies do look a little oversize for 28mm: too tall and too bulky. Imagine that skeleton inside the 28mm fig next to it. Still, I like a robust skeleton that can stand up to clumsy gamers, so the size won't stop me from getting a box of these. ;)
Think the skeletons were scaled to match the Victrix greek range as it's a perfect match for those miniatures.
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Looking again, I think I should have actually commented on the size of the Frostgrave minis being small...
I've noticed Frostgrave minis are oddly dumpy. They're almost halflingish in their head styles.
I picked up a sprue of Wargames Atlantic's halflings this week and I'm really excited to paint them. They have a nice balance of realism and fantasy race going on.
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Surprised no mention of their new WW1 germans, looks nice and they have said that late WW1 french will be getting done