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Title: Another little interwar vehicle - Crossley M35
Post by: Rich H on March 10, 2019, 10:19:10 PM
On behalf of a shadowy and mysterious client.... :o

Will get the later Chevy wheels and mudguards too.
Title: Re: Another little interwar vehicle - Crossley M35
Post by: Rich H on March 10, 2019, 10:40:05 PM
What it's supposed to look like
(http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/India-Pattern_ACs.jpg)
Title: Re: Another little interwar vehicle - Crossley M35
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on March 11, 2019, 08:14:11 AM
Neat.
Title: Re: Another little interwar vehicle - Crossley M35
Post by: Hammers on March 11, 2019, 08:31:21 AM
Oooh, lovely!
Title: Re: Another little interwar vehicle - Crossley M35
Post by: Rich H on March 11, 2019, 09:59:02 AM
I’m currently trying to keep the wings looking  ‘free’ but making sure they are supported in such a way that they stay on! 
I also had to redraw the turret after I discovered my drawing was a bit off.

Hatch is a bit of a complex beast, with a separate base ring, and 2 hatches but it will allow the hatch to be modelled in any position - open/closed or somewhere in between (Seen pics of them slightly open too)

Guns will have 2 options – gun out and gun port closed.   (They are handed left and right)
They are on spheres with a peg so it will allow any of the configurations to be used. 
The real thing carried 2 guns normally and they could be repositioned in 15 seconds to another gun port.

This model is the M35 with solid tyres; I’ll do the pneumatic tyre version and I’ll also be making the M39 version on a 4x4 Chevy chassis.

Should then be useful in multiple theatres.

Mostly they were used for policing as they were pretty hopeless off road but bullet proof and heavily armed (Twin Vickers will do that)
Title: Re: Another little interwar vehicle - Crossley M35
Post by: Vanvlak on March 12, 2019, 05:53:35 AM
That IS a nice - and useful - little beastie.  8)
Title: Re: Another little interwar vehicle - Crossley M35
Post by: Rich H on March 12, 2019, 06:56:19 AM
Rivets...  not too much left to go.  More rivets and details still to go.
Title: Re: Another little interwar vehicle - Crossley M35
Post by: Rich H on March 12, 2019, 09:33:12 AM
Few more details
Title: Re: Another little interwar vehicle - Crossley M35
Post by: Maddoc on March 12, 2019, 12:57:22 PM
I think you're missing two rivets there..
Title: Re: Another little interwar vehicle - Crossley M35
Post by: Rich H on March 12, 2019, 01:57:32 PM
It's not finished yet lol
Title: Re: Another little interwar vehicle - Crossley M35
Post by: Truscott Trotter on March 18, 2019, 12:03:56 AM
Damn you Rich - now I have to build a 1937 Japanese army just to go with that Crossley! lol
Title: Re: Another little interwar vehicle - Crossley M35
Post by: tin shed gamer on March 18, 2019, 12:22:45 AM
Rich,
I think you might want to take a second look at windscreen as you've only one angle and its a double step on the one in the photograph.

Mark.
Title: Re: Another little interwar vehicle - Crossley M35
Post by: Rich H on March 18, 2019, 06:49:02 AM
Like that? : ;D

Some tweaks still to do but mostly there.  Printer has been having a mare - several problems and resulted in a lot of  fails...  think I've got it now.

1/56 and 1/50
Title: Re: Another little interwar vehicle - Crossley M35
Post by: Shahbahraz on March 18, 2019, 07:57:33 AM
Ooooh. shiny. I really like that. Now, how do I persuade SWMBO that I really do need a 3d printer?
Title: Re: Another little interwar vehicle - Crossley M35
Post by: tin shed gamer on March 18, 2019, 08:11:28 AM
That'll do donkey, that'll do. ;) lol
Open hatches a design note I'm found of using myself. So no complaints from me.
1/50 definitely the way to go. Much easier maths too ( devide by five and move the decimal point to the left. Job done)

Mark.
Title: Re: Another little interwar vehicle - Crossley M35
Post by: Hammers on March 18, 2019, 08:20:09 AM
Very handsom.
Title: Re: Another little interwar vehicle - Crossley M35
Post by: Truscott Trotter on March 18, 2019, 09:03:08 AM
Interesting difference in size there Rich - now put some figures next to them and we can see the right scale!
Really nice model BTW
Title: Re: Another little interwar vehicle - Crossley M35
Post by: Rich H on March 18, 2019, 09:05:16 AM
Will do ;)

Just a 12% increase over the 1/56 but IMHO a much better match for heroic scale figs.
Title: Re: Another little interwar vehicle - Crossley M35
Post by: smirnoff on March 18, 2019, 09:37:26 AM
Cracking job
Title: Re: Another little interwar vehicle - Crossley M35
Post by: Ballardian on March 18, 2019, 05:37:48 PM

 That's gorgeous :-* I guess I'm doing inter-war now :)
Title: Re: Another little interwar vehicle - Crossley M35
Post by: FramFramson on March 18, 2019, 05:49:45 PM
Interesting difference in size there Rich - now put some figures next to them and we can see the right scale!
Really nice model BTW
Yes!
Title: Re: Another little interwar vehicle - Crossley M35
Post by: Rich H on March 18, 2019, 07:14:01 PM
As requested  :D
Title: Re: Another little interwar vehicle - Crossley M35
Post by: SABOT on March 18, 2019, 11:25:25 PM
Terrific work 👍
Title: Re: Another little interwar vehicle - Crossley M35
Post by: Truscott Trotter on March 19, 2019, 12:45:33 AM
thanks Rich
Now looking at the piccies and at these
I reckon the 1/56th one is fine
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b2/35/10/b23510dbfd47119f101cf1958f9ed3fc.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/3Lu8Fjg.jpg)
Title: Re: Another little interwar vehicle - Crossley M35
Post by: Rich H on March 19, 2019, 06:01:17 AM
Not my call ;)
Title: Re: Another little interwar vehicle - Crossley M35
Post by: Hammers on March 19, 2019, 08:11:48 AM
thanks Rich
Now looking at the piccies and at these
I reckon the 1/56th one is fine
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b2/35/10/b23510dbfd47119f101cf1958f9ed3fc.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/3Lu8Fjg.jpg)

Cool images. I like the 'Chitral' lettering and I have never seen the netting at the base of the gun turret before. One wonders what that bar in the back of the second vehicle is for. For dusting rugs?  ;)
Title: Re: Another little interwar vehicle - Crossley M35
Post by: Hammers on March 19, 2019, 08:20:01 AM

I reckon the 1/56th one is fine


RichHs call or not I agree with that.
Title: Re: Another little interwar vehicle - Crossley M35
Post by: Rich H on March 19, 2019, 09:15:04 AM
I'll double check the measurements just in case... I'm stuck with whatever scale the drawing claims.

Rug beating fixture mk1a.  Fitted to all crossleys since 1919...
Title: Re: Another little interwar vehicle - Crossley M35
Post by: Truscott Trotter on March 19, 2019, 09:55:15 AM
Dunno about extracurricular rug beating or whatever the public schoolboys call it these days ....but seeing this picture I have to have a Crossley (and a Carden Loyd)
(https://preview.redd.it/0rl0rv4c27gz.jpg?width=1024&auto=webp&s=21953fc892216e98770677e2e53f53939d1fb079)
Title: Re: Another little interwar vehicle - Crossley M35
Post by: Hammers on March 19, 2019, 10:01:39 AM
Those solid steel wheels must have made for a hell of a bumpy ride...
Title: Re: Another little interwar vehicle - Crossley M35
Post by: Rich H on March 19, 2019, 10:06:25 AM
The later ones are pneumatic
They were notorious for being rubbish offroad and rolling over
Title: Re: Another little interwar vehicle - Crossley M35
Post by: FramFramson on March 19, 2019, 09:08:35 PM
Another vote for the 1:56 version being a better fit in this case.
Title: Re: Another little interwar vehicle - Crossley M35
Post by: Rich H on March 19, 2019, 09:22:41 PM
Checked the dims and, give or take a couple of mm they are both correct as per the wiki stats in all three axies.  (So I  didn't screw up this time ;D )

Agree that the 1/56 does look to be a more appropriate scale but the brief was specifically 1/50.  I'll check...
Title: Re: Another little interwar vehicle - Crossley M35
Post by: Truscott Trotter on March 20, 2019, 03:17:02 AM
i can always find a good home for the 1/56th one Rich!  lol
Title: Re: Another little interwar vehicle - Crossley M35
Post by: tin shed gamer on March 20, 2019, 08:08:32 AM
I'll be the first to admit 1/50 doesn't work on this vehicle.
As mentioned in Your Independent thread. 28mm is really an aesthetic not a true conversion of a model scale.As you know most found 1/56 didn't sit well with the independent.
You'll find it's going to fluctuate with nearly every vehicle and every. Bare lead pose/ painted and basedfigure/ manufacturer you use in a comparison.
The reality is even the big plastic kit companies play with scale As the crew figures are often on a different scale to the vehicles simply to improve the aesthetics of the kit.
It's one of the reasons ,why I only ever class my vehicles as 28mm.

As I've mentioned before period photographs are not idea for scaling.As the angle and distance of the shot plus the unknown height of the figures ( even if you do know their height people often dip or hunch up to get everyone in the photo.)play tricks with the perspective.
They are however invaluable in showing infield expediency. Such as the true ergonomics of living and fighing in armour.Plus in this case the grenade nets around the turrets.A weak point and a source of paranoia.Also an indicator of the type of tactical assault both feared and expected in theatre.
Must say its still a nice build.

Mark.
Title: Re: Another little interwar vehicle - Crossley M35
Post by: Rich H on March 20, 2019, 08:13:56 AM
Agreed. 

The asthetic is what matters and (In my case at least) my expectation is that tanks are big (even though they are quite small in real life).

Add in the unique wargamers perspective of high angle view and the uniqueness that is 28mm heroic figures then scale models are always going to be a compromise.