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Miniatures Adventure => Pikes, Muskets and Flouncy Shirts => Topic started by: Annie on April 16, 2019, 07:37:15 PM

Title: Lucrezia Borgia & Caterina Sforza
Post by: Annie on April 16, 2019, 07:37:15 PM
These two ladies (in two variants each) were sculpted and then painted by John Morris AKA Monkey Spirals.

I'm really happy with them, it was nice to do something a bit different.

You can get em here
https://badsquiddogames.com/shop#!/Monarchy/c/21735094/offset=0&sort=addedTimeDesc

Lucrezia Borgia was the daughter of future pope Alexander VI, and her three marriages into influential families helped build the political power of her own family. Historians debate whether or not Borgia was an active participant in her notorious family’s crimes, but interest in her has inspired countless works of art, books, and films.

One of the rumours was that she was a fan of poisoning people via poison concealed in her hollow ring.... that sounds familiar hey?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4S3WazWwAoJ4mX.jpg)

Caterina Sforza was born in Milan in early 1463, the illegitimate daughter of Galeazzo Maria Sforza by his mistress, Lucrezia Landriani. Her life was... colourful. Well worth further reading. She held various posts of political and military power, with many, many murders under her belt.

My favourite part of the story (for it's awful) was during a seige where her children were captured and being threatened, she lifted her skirt, grabbed her crotch and declared that she possessed the instruments to make more. So there you go.

The connection to someone else in our range, Lucrezi Borgia, is that her son was due to marry her. She refused to allow this to happen and fell out with the pope over it, then of course tried to poison him. She liked poison. And torture!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4S3X2_W4AAKE-8.jpg)

Cheers!

Annie
Bad Squiddo Games
www.badsquiddogames.com
Title: Re: Lucrezia Borgia & Caterina Sforza
Post by: FierceKitty on April 17, 2019, 12:39:51 AM
The "ten more sons!" flashing bit is a fun story, but there's no way it's true. We have the details of how the legend evolved. Sorry, but it's another pornographic fantasy, like Godiva's ride.
Title: Re: Lucrezia Borgia & Caterina Sforza
Post by: FifteensAway on April 17, 2019, 02:28:39 AM
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!! :o >:(  Lady Godiva didn't ride naked!  What poltroon voided that bit of history!   o_o

 ;D lol lol lol
Title: Re: Lucrezia Borgia & Caterina Sforza
Post by: bergschotten on April 17, 2019, 09:45:37 AM
Lucrezia Borgia was the daughter of future pope Alexander VI, and her three marriages into influential families helped build the political power of her own family. Historians debate whether or not Borgia was an active participant in her notorious family’s crimes, but interest in her has inspired countless works of art, books, and films.

One of the rumours was that she was a fan of poisoning people via poison concealed in her hollow ring.... that sounds familiar.

Love the figures-but given the context of positive female (role) models I thought I would suggest that Lucrezia' notoriety, as was the rest of the family’s originated primarily because as Spaniards they entered a club (the Papal See) which had almost exclusively dominated by Italians.  They are directly damned by contemporary sources, namely Johann Burchard, Alexander VI master of ceremonies, who detested the family, and by the use of Cesare as a role model) by Machiavelli in the Prince, and lastly by immediate revisionism on the part of Julius II (Alexander’s life long enemy)

I don’t think they were a nice bunch (at all) but they were no worse/less corrupt/nepotistic than those who preceded them or succeeded them. 

Lucrezia was (as was typical of the time) a pawn in her family’s dynastic ambitions. As to her nature who can know but it is perhaps telling that her last marriage Alfonso d'Este (Duke of Ferrara) whilst not happy saw her being given the title of the ‘Good Duchess’ and her tomb (which I have visited) in a local convent attests to her good works and nature.
Title: Re: Lucrezia Borgia & Caterina Sforza
Post by: YPU on April 17, 2019, 09:51:31 AM
Lovely models as always, and also greatly useful for fantasy stuff by the looks of it!
Title: Re: Lucrezia Borgia & Caterina Sforza
Post by: Annie on April 17, 2019, 01:59:12 PM
Oh there isn't a context of positive female role models in Bad Squiddo, or that would be boring. Its covering women from history from the saintly to downright evil and all the grey areas in between. They still need representing.

A lot of tales are tall tales, and the Renaissance is rife with it, doesn't make it not interesting though. Digging through the myths and legends to find truths is part of the fun. It's an interesting discussion though!
Title: Re: Lucrezia Borgia & Caterina Sforza
Post by: bergschotten on April 17, 2019, 06:04:47 PM
I suppose that is more positive than nubile fighting wenches etc

Not meaning to be boring or pedantic just stretching the chat.

Keep up the good work

Stephen
Title: Re: Lucrezia Borgia & Caterina Sforza
Post by: Cyrus the Great on April 24, 2019, 10:53:57 PM
This is great news Annie. On my short list for May purchases.
Title: Re: Lucrezia Borgia & Caterina Sforza
Post by: Helen on April 25, 2019, 01:09:52 AM
Lovely work Annie, great release of miniatures.
Title: Re: Lucrezia Borgia & Caterina Sforza
Post by: Leman on May 25, 2019, 12:49:35 PM
Stick with the stories Annie, FK loves to put a dampener on things. If it’s the truth or the legend print the legend.
Title: Re: Lucrezia Borgia & Caterina Sforza
Post by: FierceKitty on May 26, 2019, 06:15:28 AM
Ah. What we call fantasy?
Title: Re: Lucrezia Borgia & Caterina Sforza
Post by: vodkafan on May 26, 2019, 11:02:04 AM
Ah. What we call fantasy?

Like Hollywood Historical
Title: Re: Lucrezia Borgia & Caterina Sforza
Post by: Arrigo on May 26, 2019, 12:29:23 PM
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If it’s the truth or the legend print the legend.

why not both? Considering these ladies are real people, they should be given the benefit of doubts! (Born in Ferrara, grown in Riario's, as Gerolamo+Caterina, lands for decades... so technically I am a time switched subject of both!).

And... no one in Renaissance Italy was nice, and the Borgia's family 'crimes' have been played up by the Giuliano della Rovere (Juilus II) quite a lot. By the way Alexander VI was not the first Borgia to become pope, the family even has a saint in its roster.

By the way, Caterina was the mother of Giovanni de Medici, the famous condottiero (the one of the Black Bands).
Title: Re: Lucrezia Borgia & Caterina Sforza
Post by: Leman on May 26, 2019, 01:23:17 PM
I for one would be very happy to have an armour clad Caterina Sforza commanding from the battlements. I have already picked up a “Lucrezia Borgia” with bodyguards from Essex for my 15mm Italian Wars project.