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Title: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - new pics Sept 21, 2023
Post by: Neldoreth on July 18, 2019, 02:27:47 AM
I finally put together my Bretonnian men-at-arms for Kings of War.

Check out more pictures on the site: https://www.hourofwolves.org/?view=armies&which=bretonnia&pic=41

(https://www.hourofwolves.org/images/armies/bretonnia/MenAtArms1.JPG)

thanks
n
Title: Re: Bretonnian men at arms based up for Kings of War
Post by: eptingmike on July 18, 2019, 03:31:46 AM
Very nice!  I like the shields very much!
Thank you for posting!
Title: Re: Bretonnian men at arms based up for Kings of War
Post by: Elbows on July 18, 2019, 05:16:32 AM
Yep, those are slick.  Nicely done.
Title: Re: Bretonnian men at arms based up for Kings of War
Post by: swordman on July 18, 2019, 09:02:02 AM
nice indeed
Title: Re: Bretonnian men at arms based up for Kings of War
Post by: Bloggard on July 18, 2019, 09:26:26 AM
super
metalwork is brilliant
Title: Re: Bretonnian men at arms based up for Kings of War
Post by: Knight-Captain Tyr on July 18, 2019, 04:03:00 PM
They look fantastic.

Insignia on the shields in particular. Nice freehand. Are you just getting into Kings of War or have you been playing a while? 3rd edition is just around the corner!
Title: Re: Bretonnian men at arms based up for Kings of War
Post by: Neldoreth on July 18, 2019, 07:39:18 PM
Thanks for the positive feedback! Freehand shields are my favourite things to paint, and this was fun because it was quite standard for all the shields, unlike the viking and early-medieval shields I usually paint.

@Knight-Captain Tyr: I was into Kings of War from about 2010 to 2012, and then sorta lost touch with it. I really, really liked the rule set back then because it was technically simple yet tactically complex, and it had a lot of potential for historical games! I initially wrote many lists/rules for historical KoW http://www.hourofwolves.org/?view=articles&which=KingsOfWarHistoricalAncientCombat but then they released the historical supplement, and even took the time to update them for 2nd edition in 2016... but despite that I haven't really played the current version of the rules, so I basically missed a whole version of the rules! Looking forward to what they bring this autumn, should be great.

Thanks again,
n
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project
Post by: Neldoreth on July 22, 2019, 03:29:14 AM
Based up that unit of knights as well, now I have two whole regiments of the old knights ready to go.

All together I have about 1500 points of Bretonnians for Kings of War, I'm using the Brotherhood list since it appears to have been specifically tailored for Bretonnia.

More pictures here: https://www.hourofwolves.org/?view=armies&which=bretonnia&full=1

(https://www.hourofwolves.org/images/armies/bretonnia/22_bretonniaKnightsA.jpg)

Thanks
n

Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - new figs 2019-07-21
Post by: DivisMal on July 22, 2019, 07:16:18 AM
Some very nice units you have! KoW s probably ideal with its very abstract system to bring those forgotten armies back onto the tabletop.
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - new figs 2019-07-21
Post by: blacksoilbill on July 22, 2019, 12:32:23 PM
Those knights look gorgeous!
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - new figs 2019-07-21
Post by: Duff on July 22, 2019, 01:33:21 PM
Gorgeous work, inspirational.
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - new figs 2019-07-21
Post by: von der Tann on July 22, 2019, 01:39:16 PM
I am so in love with these minis.  :-*
Mind f I borrow the different styles of the knights? ... Not that i could make them look as awsome as you have ...
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - new figs 2019-07-21
Post by: OSHIROmodels on July 22, 2019, 01:45:25 PM
Lovely  :)
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - new figs 2019-07-21
Post by: Orctrader on July 22, 2019, 06:36:55 PM
Yes, lovely work on those figures.   :)
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - new figs 2019-07-21
Post by: Neldoreth on October 11, 2019, 05:54:47 AM
Thanks for the positive feedback on these figures!

Looking forward to seeing your versions of these lords von der Tann!

Thanks again,
n
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - new figs 2019-07-21
Post by: CaptainHaddonCollider on October 11, 2019, 07:08:48 AM
Wow, stunning return to Bretonnia! I'm looking to get into KoW myself, so this thread is just the kind of inspiration I need!
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - new figs 2019-07-21
Post by: Bloggard on October 12, 2019, 01:04:09 PM
great - would like to see more of this - and your basing for KOW
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - new figs 2019-10-14
Post by: Neldoreth on October 14, 2019, 08:03:23 PM
Okay,

The next Lord that I am working on is Lord Ravenwand, cousin of Lord Stroud (see the red-and-black knight/men at arms earlier in the thread). I will be putting together a unit of spears, likely archers, and also a unit of knights lead by Lord Ravenwand!

This was meant to be an entry in this LPL as well, but I didn't make it in time :(

First up are the spear-armed foot.

I'm very happy with them so far! Only seven or so more figs and I'll be ready to base them up!

(https://www.hourofwolves.org/images/armies/bretonnia/23_lordRavenwand01.jpg)

(https://www.hourofwolves.org/images/armies/bretonnia/23_lordRavenwand02.jpg)

(https://www.hourofwolves.org/images/armies/bretonnia/23_lordRavenwand03.jpg)

(https://www.hourofwolves.org/images/armies/bretonnia/23_lordRavenwand04.jpg)

(https://www.hourofwolves.org/images/armies/bretonnia/23_lordRavenwand05.jpg)

(https://www.hourofwolves.org/images/armies/bretonnia/23_lordRavenwand06.jpg)

Thanks
n
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - new figs 2019-07-21
Post by: syr8766 on October 14, 2019, 09:16:57 PM
Very nicely done! Love the freehand work!
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - new figs 2019-07-21
Post by: fred on October 15, 2019, 07:48:30 AM
Really good looking figures - both the customisation and the painting. Looking forward to seeing the rest of the army.
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - new figs 2019-07-21
Post by: Grumpy Gnome on October 15, 2019, 09:11:58 AM
Lovin‘ it! Brilliant work, especially the Oathmark troops.
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - Oathmark figs 2019-10-15
Post by: Neldoreth on October 16, 2019, 06:07:09 PM
Thanks for the kind words.

The Oathmark figures screamed out Bretonnians to me when I first saw them. I think they actually make better Bretonnian men-at-arms than the actual Bretonnian men-at-arms.

Thanks
n
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - Oathmark figs 2019-10-15
Post by: Gallahad on October 16, 2019, 10:01:05 PM
Very nice painting! How do they scale with the regular Bretonnian Men At Arms? The Oathmark plastics all strike me as being 25mm scale.
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - Oathmark figs 2019-10-15
Post by: Vanth on October 17, 2019, 10:13:31 AM
Outstanding job!
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - Oathmark figs 2019-10-15
Post by: Hammers on October 17, 2019, 12:24:36 PM
Fantastic paint job, as per usual, Neldoreth! I have been painting quite a lot of oldhammer Bretonnians latelym, but not that many of the plastic ones, as I find them somewhat lacking in poses and definition.

How do the Oatmark miniatures match with the GW miniatures? Surely they are a bit smaller, right?
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - Oathmark figs 2019-10-15
Post by: Neldoreth on October 17, 2019, 06:04:15 PM
Thanks for the kind words gents/ladies!

Good question about scale; I haven't actually stood them side-by-side yet, but now I will dig out the Bretonnians and take some pictures, and post them here when they're ready. That being said, they feel exactly the same. I almost feel like they are the same figures to be honest... or rather like a more characterful second-working of them...

Pictures tomorrow!

Thanks again,
n
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - Oathmark figs 2019-10-15
Post by: Neldoreth on October 21, 2019, 06:09:25 PM
Here's the scale image of the Oathmark figs along side some trashed Bretonnians and one Empire handgunner. The picture is poor, but I hope it shows that the Oathmark figure's have a scale that's a near perfect match!

(https://www.hourofwolves.org/images/oathmarkScaleImage.jpg)

Thanks
n
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - Oathmark figs 2019-10-15
Post by: Neldoreth on October 24, 2019, 06:50:15 AM
I cracked the new Koings of War book today for the first time and was chagrined to find that there are no lists for the Kingsoms of Humans... They are listed in the force background sections, but they don't have any corresponding army lists in the book! They are the only faction that doesn't have one...

Or did I miss it? Should I use Basilea in the mean time? Anyone else have any  issues with the KoW rules?

Thanks
n
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - Oathmark figs 2019-10-15
Post by: Bodvoc on October 24, 2019, 12:30:01 PM
I think the Kingdom of Men list is going to be in the first supplement. The new rulebook only has lists for those armies that Mantic actually produce figures for?
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - Oathmark figs 2019-10-15
Post by: Neldoreth on October 24, 2019, 10:40:59 PM
Yeah, it seems that way... I guess that's their privilege, since it's their game, and especially now that they have figures for so many factions.

It's too bad though, since they are listed in the background section, but not in the army lists... But the question for me is should I bother continuing this project? To be honest I haven't actually played anything in years, and I probably won't be done this project before they produce a list anyway... but if they never produce a list, then I'm better off working on other projects?

Thanks
n
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - Oathmark figs 2019-10-15
Post by: Knight-Captain Tyr on October 25, 2019, 09:58:54 AM
Just so you're aware, Mantic have a huge supplement called 'Armies of Pannithor' about eight weeks away (maybe less) which introduces something like 10+ more lists to the game. Kingdoms of Men are in there, as are the two divisions of Brotherhood and the Varangur.

If you're on FB keep an eye on the Kings of War Fanatics page for army previews from the upcoming supplement.

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater either way - you've done a phenomenal job with this project and there are already rules to use for these guys (they would be well fielded as Basileans, for example). :)
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - Oathmark figs 2019-10-15
Post by: Neldoreth on October 25, 2019, 05:06:48 PM
That's great news! Thanks for posting.

Please tell me the supplement will be available in hard copy? :D

Thanks
n
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - Oathmark figs 2019-10-15
Post by: ulverston on November 06, 2019, 07:50:26 PM
I have really enjoyed this thread and your work has inspired me to buy some Oathmark figures-you have made them look superb! I must say the women's heads look like they came as part of the kit or did you buy them separately?
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - Oathmark figs 2019-10-15
Post by: Blackwolf on November 06, 2019, 07:59:18 PM
Brilliant work,the Statuesque conversions are :-*
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - Oathmark figs 2019-10-15
Post by: Neldoreth on November 06, 2019, 10:21:25 PM
Thanks for the kind words, appreciated!

I must say the women's heads look like they came as part of the kit or did you buy them separately?

I *really* wish that the Oathmark figs came with women's heads, but sadly they didn't. I picked up some of the female head sprus from Statuesque miniatures. I believe the ones I picked up were Heroic Scale NARROW helmetless, which are large enough to work well with basically any of the modern plastic figures available today, including the Oathmark figs. They are sci-fi heads, but the helmetless ones work for your basic poor medieval troops I think; their modern hairstyles are more believable than dragons in my eyes :D It's very important to note though that *the neck posts on the female heads are quite long and need to be cut down to look proper*. If you don't cut the posts, they'll have abnormal-looking high heads.

My method was to ball up some putty and put it in the head hole, flatten if down, cut about 2mm off of the neck post of the head and just stick it in. Take a moment to position it correctly and then use a sculpting too to make it look more like the surrounding cloth. Viola, done. The statuesque heads are just great and I ordered thirty of them for various projects to add women into my miniature world.

Here's a great link to scale pictures of the Statuesque heads: http://khorosho-productions.blogspot.com/p/comparison-photos.html

Thanks
n
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - Oathmark figs 2019-10-15
Post by: Neldoreth on July 13, 2021, 05:37:38 PM
I finished another figure for this project recently... A foot knight for the Bretonnians!

I really wanted a foot knight, but the eBay price for the old GW figs was just too much... So I looked at Norba, Reaper, and others, and found these fantastic Bretonnian-inspired knights sculpter by Werner Klocke and thought they looked fantastic and fit the bill well.

(https://www.hourofwolves.org/images/armies/bretonnia/24_lordOnFoot01.jpg)

(https://www.hourofwolves.org/images/armies/bretonnia/24_lordOnFoot04.jpg)

I have like eight more to paint... haha.

Thanks
n
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - Oathmark figs 2019-10-15
Post by: Pattus Magnus on July 13, 2021, 06:22:40 PM
That's a great choice for a foot knight, and the paint job you gave it is superb! The scene for the photo is great, too.
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - Oathmark figs 2019-10-15
Post by: Reed on July 13, 2021, 06:40:08 PM
I finished another figure for this project recently... A foot knight for the Bretonnians!

I really wanted a foot knight, but the eBay price for the old GW figs was just too much... So I looked at Norba, Reaper, and others, and found these fantastic Bretonnian-inspired knights sculpter by Werner Klocke and thought they looked fantastic and fit the bill well.

(http://www.hourofwolves.org/images/armies/bretonnia/24_lordOnFoot01.jpg)

(http://www.hourofwolves.org/images/armies/bretonnia/24_lordOnFoot04.jpg)


Excellent paintjob!
If I may say, I would not recommend buying from Norba. I've heard many complaints about terrible casting and poor customer treatment.
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - Oathmark figs 2019-10-15
Post by: Neldoreth on July 13, 2021, 11:21:53 PM
That's a great choice for a foot knight, and the paint job you gave it is superb! The scene for the photo is great, too.

Thanks for the kind words, appreciated!

Excellent paintjob!
If I may say, I would not recommend buying from Norba. I've heard many complaints about terrible casting and poor customer treatment.

Thanks for the kind words, and also for the warning. That's too bad... but I'll steer clear.

Thanks
Joe
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - Foot Knight July 13, 2021
Post by: Neldoreth on September 21, 2023, 07:45:21 PM
Two years later...

With the teasing of Warhammer the Old World, I have rebased and added a few new figures to this Bretonnian ment-at-arms unit, including a new standard bearer! I am really liking the look of these figs on the larger 25mm bases.

(https://www.hourofwolves.org/images/armies/bretonnia/25_menAtArms01.jpg)

(https://www.hourofwolves.org/images/armies/bretonnia/25_menAtArms02.jpg)

Thanks
n
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - Foot Knight Sept 21, 2023
Post by: Pattus Magnus on September 21, 2023, 08:08:24 PM
Excellent, the Varangian Guard during their little known contract for the Bretonnian crown!  ;)

The paint jobs look great. The unit has impressive volume (6x3 figures?). It’s a bit of a shame that Bretonnian infantry get killed fast in most versions of WFB, but at least yours will look very classy while they’re on the table!
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - Foot Knight Sept 21, 2023
Post by: Neldoreth on September 21, 2023, 08:14:39 PM
Excellent, the Varangian Guard during their little known contract for the Bretonnian crown!  ;)

Haha, you know me, always trying to bring a little Viking into every project :)

The paint jobs look great. The unit has impressive volume (6x3 figures?). It’s a bit of a shame that Bretonnian infantry get killed fast in most versions of WFB, but at least yours will look very classy while they’re on the table!

Thanks for the kind words, and yes, 18 figures. I had to paint up a few more of them because originally when they were on the unit base for Kings of War there were fewer... It is a shame that they die quickly, isn't it? I know some players don't bring any foot at all, given that the mounted units are so powerful... I just can't leave these giant-shielded men at arms at home though, they're just too pretty haha :)

Thanks again!
n
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - new pics Sept 21, 2023
Post by: Freddy on September 22, 2023, 05:19:32 PM
Great project, I really like the desaturated red-white-black colour scheme.
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - new pics Sept 21, 2023
Post by: Neldoreth on September 25, 2023, 02:10:26 AM
Great project, I really like the desaturated red-white-black colour scheme.

Thanks!

Did you happen to see the latest Bretonnian figures from GW painted up? They totally stole this paint scheme, haha! Seriously though, I didn't invent it, but I was surprised to see their small army worth of figures painted up very similarly. Check them out here: Barons of Bretonnia - Warhammer Community (https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/14/old-world-development-diary-on-bases-and-the-barons-of-bretonnia/)
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - new pics Sept 21, 2023
Post by: Freddy on September 25, 2023, 05:40:15 PM
Thanks!

Did you happen to see the latest Bretonnian figures from GW painted up? They totally stole this paint scheme, haha! Seriously though, I didn't invent it, but I was surprised to see their small army worth of figures painted up very similarly. Check them out here: Barons of Bretonnia - Warhammer Community (https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/14/old-world-development-diary-on-bases-and-the-barons-of-bretonnia/)
I like yours better.
They simply use the heraldry of Massone from the old Army book, and I find weird that they dropped the idea of painting all the knights unique colour schemes (like you and the old Bretonnians did). According to the interview this was a design choice to favour painting, and it looks cool for infantry, but the visual appeal of Bretonnian knights (and the 14th century knights they were stolen from) is that everyone displays his own colours, making a knightly army a vibrant, colourful parade.
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - new pics Sept 21, 2023
Post by: Pattus Magnus on September 25, 2023, 08:58:56 PM
I suppose there’s nothing stopping folks from painting the Bretonnian knights in individual heraldry and surcoats. It definitely makes for a more visually appealing force! Peasant units in (fairly) uniform livery corresponding to the colours of the noble who raised them also looks quite sharp.
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - new pics Sept 21, 2023
Post by: Freddy on September 25, 2023, 09:18:36 PM
I suppose there’s nothing stopping folks from painting the Bretonnian knights in individual heraldry and surcoats. It definitely makes for a more visually appealing force!
Of course nothing stops you, but the article is explicitly about them rewriting the Bretonnian fluff encouraging uniform painting, An uniform-wearing knight unit, like the crusaders, can be a very menacing look, but that is also because they are usually wearing their own colours.
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Peasant units in (fairly) uniform livery corresponding to the colours of the noble who raised them also looks quite sharp.
Yes, they look cool each unit in their lords uniform- as far as the general ragtagness allows :)
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - new pics Sept 21, 2023
Post by: Pattus Magnus on September 25, 2023, 09:38:52 PM
Hmm, rewriting the fluff to justify uniform knights does seem a bit lame. If a player wanted humans in uniforms they could already build an Empire force. From my perspective, one of the fun things about the Bretonnians is the individuality of the knights, contrasted with the abject poverty of the rabble. (Honestly, it has been a while since I paid much attention to GW’s lore for the setting- they kind of lost me when the Old World got wiped out and replaced with planes, or dimensions, or whatever.) You’re definitely right about uniformed knights, like crusading orders, having intimidation value. Adding a couple knightly orders to the new Bretonnians could be cool (or adding uniforms to the fluff of the existing orders).

Time will tell whether the changes resonate with the buying public. Personally, I’m still working on my late ‘90’s-early 2000s backlog and those knights will be getting individual heraldry!
Title: Re: Bretonnian OldHammer Kings of War Project - new pics Sept 21, 2023
Post by: Neldoreth on September 28, 2023, 02:22:25 AM
Love the discussion here!

Interestingly, the new fluff being written for the Old World apparently takes place long before the events of the Warhammer Fantasy, so these Bretonnians went from being more uniform to having their unique heraldry I guess?

Like you Pattus, I am still painting my way through all the old stuff, like 5th edition Bretonnians and the like. Will I ever play the Old World if it ever gets released? Unlikely, but they're fun to paint.

Thanks again,
n