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Title: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: YPU on August 15, 2019, 07:48:34 PM
Macross martin is entirely to blame for this. After trying to hold of for a couple of months I am now in possession of a dozen or so gashapon 1/400 gundam models. These will see use in MSG skirmish and a variety of 6mm wargames in the future I'm sure. Maybe even battletech alpha strike if I can get away with it. AT 1/400 they are a bit on the small side for 6mm which is generally 1/300 but I think they are just right, any larger would start to look silly I think.

In anticipation of the models I ordered from japan I started 3d printing some gundam universe vehicles,

(https://i.imgur.com/uemnL5Z.jpg)

From left to right bloodhound hover truck by martin, Wappa VTOL bike by me, Fanfan VTOL hovercraft by me, generic 6mm vehicle by Mbergman and type 61 tank by Martin.

The fanfan was something I had in the works for a while intended for 1/144 scale but works just fine in 1/300.

(https://i.imgur.com/vr7VRbI.jpg)

The wappa was a moment of inspiration, probably the first 6mm scaled human figure I've done in CAD and actually feel happy about.


But on to the main event, the mobile suits. First of the federation side:

(https://i.imgur.com/tdJzDwm.jpg)

LtR Mass production guncannon, gundam Alex, GM cold district type, GM space command and another cold district.

And on the Zeon side:

(https://i.imgur.com/pkVDp3J.jpg)

Back row: hygogg, gelgoog mariner, gouf flight type, zaku II.
Front row: zaku I, char's gelgoog, Gouf custom, zaku II.

Most of these will see some conversion done to them, and definitely get paint. The char's gelgoog will become just a regular gelgoog and all beam sabres will be replaced by something a bit less bendy. The zaku I is already in progress to be converted into a zaku sniper, quite fun converting robots at this scale I must say!

Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: Easy E on August 15, 2019, 09:14:14 PM
Awesome!  I have been playing with some rules to try and use models like these, so I am excited to see some minis!
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: robh on August 15, 2019, 09:37:35 PM
If you start looking into rules for these the "Mekton" RPG game works brilliantly as a skirmish wargame. Original edition better than the second for Gundam crossover.
We converted several of the old 1/200 Mekton figures into Gundams.
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: YPU on August 15, 2019, 09:47:56 PM
If you start looking into rules for these the "Mekton" RPG game works brilliantly as a skirmish wargame. Original edition better than the second for Gundam crossover.
We converted several of the old 1/200 Mekton figures into Gundams.

Oh I'm quite aware of mekton, though Zeta is my poison of choice.

Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: YPU on August 25, 2019, 03:13:57 PM
I got the vinyl 1/400 figures in and I must say I'm quite pleased with them! Besides some bendy weapons (easily replaced by 3d printed ones for me at least) they are very well detailed, and at 2-4 dollars per 4cm tall model not a bad price point I think.

Most models I'm still fixing up a bit or converting, but I couldn't help trying out my intended colour scheme for the Zeon side. This was the cheapest model in the lot so the one I would feel least miffed about screwing up.

Let's start with the before shot:

(https://i.imgur.com/VyX1YY6.jpg)

Char aznables MS-14S Gelgoog Commander Type, the first non-aquatic zeon mobile suit equipped with beam weapons. In typical Zeon enthusiasm, this also means a double-sided beam naginata. Note that before the gelgoog only aquatic zeon suits could handle beam weaponry, as they required copious water cooling to handle the reactors needed for the output required.

I wasn't impressed with the beam weapon, and the back-mounted shield is rather small compared to what its usually shown as, so I 3d printed a new one and swapped the weaponry around a bit.

(https://i.imgur.com/jEyNvsf.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/AnbBDob.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/C9nZZwy.jpg)


I got a couple of sheets of cheap decals from china, and I think they look rather good on here. My only concern is that I might have been better of using the loads of GW gothic numbers I have, and saving this more militaristic style for the side of the federation.
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: OSHIROmodels on August 25, 2019, 04:24:13 PM
Zaku. Zaku. Zaku.

 :D
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: YPU on August 25, 2019, 04:29:05 PM
Zaku. Zaku. Zaku.

 :D

To quote ramba ral "This is no Zaku, boy! No Zaku!"

But yeah I have a pair of zaku II's in the work, and heavily converting a zaku I into a sniper type.
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: YPU on September 03, 2019, 12:08:35 PM
Ok ok I give in, Zaku it is.

The MS-06 Zaku II, one of the most recognizable mobile suits, maybe only after the rx78 gundam itself. They formed the backbone of the Zeon forces both on earth and in space. Their external piping for the fluid impulse drives is as iconic as the mono eye sensor.

Presented here with the equally iconic ZMP-50D 120mm Machine Gun and Heat hawk combat axe.

(https://i.imgur.com/10KaAaV.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/n7ZVi8u.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/qp2D8fu.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/w9arUr8.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/eEvMG3D.jpg)

As you can see the gun hand and head are still posable.


Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: robh on September 03, 2019, 12:33:44 PM
 :-*

Nice GunPla.   How (if at all) are you thinking of mounting these for flying?
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: Brandlin on September 03, 2019, 12:38:47 PM
I understand all the individual words you used, but have no idea what you are on about... (anthropomorphised robots being a rather well documented and entirely logical hatred of mine)... However I wanted to compliment you on the general modelling and colouring in... the two tone panels in particular is surprisingly effective.
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: YPU on September 03, 2019, 12:56:21 PM
Nice GunPla.   How (if at all) are you thinking of mounting these for flying?

Thanks! I'm not sure if it counts as Gunpla if it's vinyl figures? For bases I just discovered I have plastic tubing that matches the pegs on the display stands, so I can do hex bases that they solidly connect to and still be able to remove them should I have reason to. Where possible I intend to base them standing, but for the models specifically in flying poses they already come with a separate flying stand, I've just drilled the bases and put a brass tube that fits the stand.

(https://i.imgur.com/PFJiiJj.jpg)

Which is a nice way to tease the next model I guess?

I understand all the individual words you used, but have no idea what you are on about... (anthropomorphised robots being a rather well documented and entirely logical hatred of mine)... However I wanted to compliment you on the general modelling and colouring in... the two tone panels in particular is surprisingly effective.


With 40 years of geeks doing their thing, most gundam robots have a better documented fictional production history than real world vehicles.  lol Thanks for the compliment! The 2 tone countershading is literally one coat of paint over gray primer, with some details picked out and a dirty wash. I might add more weathering and chipping later on, I do love some serious dirt on silly robots. But in terms of time/results its working rather nicely for a silly side project.
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: spect_spidey on September 03, 2019, 02:03:10 PM
These are very interesting. I have a group that is wanting to play a giant robot role playing game. Where might I find these Gundams at besides eBay?
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: YPU on September 03, 2019, 02:11:02 PM
These are very interesting. I have a group that is wanting to play a giant robot role playing game. Where might I find these Gundams at besides eBay?

In this scale? Honestly not that many options. They are/were sold as blind boxes where you get a random model, or you buy a store box which should get you one of each with some doubles. Due to this distribution of rarity the more common ones can be gotten quite cheaply from Ebay. (I got mine from Hiro Japan Store, great service so far) Of course for not that much more you can get the full size 1/144 scale model kits. Many of them go for less than 10 bucks, and if you stick to the more recent releases they are some of the best engineered plastic kits to boot.

I am also quite curious what game you were thinking about, I'm always looking for new systems in the giant robot genre, both rpg and wargame.
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: Cosmotiger on September 03, 2019, 03:10:45 PM
I like the two-tone gray camo. Different from the standard color schemes we've seen a million times, but still plausible and based on real world military equipment. Good stuff.
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: OSHIROmodels on September 03, 2019, 03:12:42 PM
Zaku. Zaku. Zaku.
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: Cat on September 03, 2019, 04:15:06 PM
Oooh, very pretty!
 
Alpha Strike rules will work fine with any scale of course.  These may not mix too well with official BT models.  Although, if they're about 35mm high, like the original Ral Partha Wasps and Stingers, you could stat them out as Light Mechs and then they would fit in just fine visually.
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: YPU on September 03, 2019, 06:43:56 PM
Oooh, very pretty!
 
Alpha Strike rules will work fine with any scale of course.  These may not mix too well with official BT models.  Although, if they're about 35mm high, like the original Ral Partha Wasps and Stingers, you could stat them out as Light Mechs and then they would fit in just fine visually.

They are closer to 4-4.8cm overall, but those are some good suggestions!
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: spect_spidey on September 03, 2019, 11:06:20 PM
In this scale? Honestly not that many options. They are/were sold as blind boxes where you get a random model, or you buy a store box which should get you one of each with some doubles. Due to this distribution of rarity the more common ones can be gotten quite cheaply from Ebay. (I got mine from Hiro Japan Store, great service so far) Of course for not that much more you can get the full size 1/144 scale model kits. Many of them go for less than 10 bucks, and if you stick to the more recent releases they are some of the best engineered plastic kits to boot.

I am also quite curious what game you were thinking about, I'm always looking for new systems in the giant robot genre, both rpg and wargame.

To be honest system wise I would probably use Mekton, Savage Worlds, or Fate Core for an rpg. Maybe Pulp Alley if I was just wanting to do small skirmish.
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: YPU on September 04, 2019, 06:09:25 AM
To be honest system wise I would probably use Mekton, Savage Worlds, or Fate Core for an rpg. Maybe Pulp Alley if I was just wanting to do small skirmish.

Yeah, that's pretty much my list as well, in fact, I'm credited in at least one of those books specifically for helping with mech rules.  lol
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: shadowbeast on September 04, 2019, 11:53:50 AM
There's also Mecha by Heroic Journey Publishing.
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: YPU on September 12, 2019, 05:18:21 PM
And here we go, the Gouf flight test type, a design I love, finger machine guns and all. One of the first mobile suits capable of self-sustained continual flight. Designed as an attempt to regain the mobility mobile suits loose in the transition from space to earth.

(https://i.imgur.com/1Uwqcl2.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/OtjzkJd.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/TIoc3WB.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/IwcnWAp.jpg)

Again the weapon arm and head remain posable. The base obviously still needs some attention. Note that mobile suit skirmish has 120 degrees front arc, so 2 hex sides as "front"
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: OSHIROmodels on September 12, 2019, 05:46:02 PM
Brill  8)
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: Malebolgia on September 13, 2019, 10:46:52 AM
Terrific! This is going to be great. Are you going to host at Poldercon?
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: Whitwort Stormbringer on September 13, 2019, 02:25:06 PM
Nice work! Love seeing these 1/400 gashapons repainted, they look great and are the perfect size for wargaming. Excited to see this project develop.
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: YPU on September 13, 2019, 02:50:17 PM
Terrific! This is going to be great. Are you going to host at Poldercon?

It's a tempting idea. My schedule for that period is pretty unclear at the moment, and there are multiple things I'd like to run so I have some analysis paralysis on the topic.

Nice work! Love seeing these 1/400 gashapons repainted, they look great and are the perfect size for wargaming. Excited to see this project develop.

Honestly, the sculpts on some of these are amazing, and their panel lines take washes perfectly. I know a german friend plans to give them a ink wash and a dullcoat and leave it at that and honestly they would look perfectly good for gaming that way.
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: Malebolgia on September 16, 2019, 07:27:58 AM
It's a tempting idea. My schedule for that period is pretty unclear at the moment, and there are multiple things I'd like to run so I have some analysis paralysis on the topic.

Do it! So I can play Gundam at Poldercon! :D
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: Easy E on September 17, 2019, 04:50:02 PM
This thread inspired me to write some rules! 

Great stuff!
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: YPU on October 05, 2019, 02:07:00 PM
I've started thinking about my federation forces to oppose Zeon. Now the scheme I've used on the zeon forces matches the one I use for my Heavy Gear Southern mechs, so I figured I'd try to apply the scheme I use for their opfor, the north, on the federation. So desert brown it is. To add some visual interest I'm planning to keep a couple of colour elements from the original, so the bright red shields from GM's for instance.

So, first federation suit painted, the Guncannon mass-production type. A heavy machine armed with twin shoulder-mounted fold away cannons.

(https://i.imgur.com/h7tEPyS.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/wAvHh9j.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/5yp2z2H.jpg)

The white head is the colour element passed down from the original scheme, this guy used to be right red! Truth is I am not entirely sold on this pattern though, it's not nearly as striking as the Zeon forces.
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: OSHIROmodels on October 05, 2019, 02:10:55 PM
Nice  8)
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on October 06, 2019, 08:06:20 AM
Nice  8)
I agree.
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: YPU on October 06, 2019, 04:45:38 PM
Thanks  guys! I'm entertaining the notion I might do a mottled or even tiger stripe on the dark brown to break it up a bit...
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: zrunelord on October 07, 2019, 06:20:12 AM
I personally like the light brown & sand paint job.The white head pops out, I would leave it.
Saved for future reference.
Z
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: YPU on October 07, 2019, 08:41:35 PM
Cheers Z, I'll suck it up and put a couple of GM suits in the scheme and see how I like them in groups!
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: zrunelord on October 08, 2019, 02:09:19 PM
Welcome Ypu,
What is the brown one ? Can you post a pic next to  a 15mm mini, please?

Thanks
Z
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: YPU on October 08, 2019, 07:50:00 PM
Sure thing Z,

It's a "guncannon mass production type" the model itself is a 1/400 gundam collection figure.



(https://i.imgur.com/yGcA0sM.jpg)

Models from left to right critical mass, rebel miniatures, eureka and clear horizon.

I got mine here, there is also a version with the shoulder cannons folded up and stowed.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gundam-Collection-Vol-6-RX-77D-MASS-PRODUCED-GUNCANNON-01-1-400-Figure-BANDAI/283451770782?hash=item41ff0ac79e:g:85kAAOSwEetV8CIv (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gundam-Collection-Vol-6-RX-77D-MASS-PRODUCED-GUNCANNON-01-1-400-Figure-BANDAI/283451770782?hash=item41ff0ac79e:g:85kAAOSwEetV8CIv)
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: zrunelord on October 08, 2019, 07:59:52 PM
Thanks for the reply, pic & info Ypu
Appreciated ;)

Looks great for 15mm & the price is cheap, especially when you compare to resin or metal models.
Are they soft plastic?

Z
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: YPU on October 08, 2019, 08:21:23 PM
Thanks for the reply, pic & info Ypu
Appreciated ;)

Looks great for 15mm & the price is cheap, especially when you compare to resin or metal models.
Are they soft plastic?

Z
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No trouble,

yes, though I think its more of a vinyl? some parts come quite bent, but heating it in hot water and straightening it before cooling helps quite a bit. The details are pretty good, especially for the price like you say. Do sand it thoroughly before priming, its the only way to get paint to stick I find.
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: YPU on November 15, 2019, 05:35:58 PM
I picked up the airbase set from Brigade models at Crisis. I've started painting one of the landing pads as a test while I fill any bubbles on the rest. They have quite a hefty texture on their "flat" surfaces so I went for a simple zenithal highlight on it first, then picked out details and painted the landing tarmac area.

(https://i.imgur.com/QPDRjha.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/pF3MYGo.jpg)

The MS is a converted GM gold district type, I'll post more about that once it had a bit of a dull coat.

I am quite happy with how the pad looks for the effort put in, I think I'll go ahead and prime lot of them this way soon. I came to the conclusion that I have very little 6mm sci-fi scenery of my own, and an airbase seemed like the perfect thing to plop down in the middle of nowhere without looking too strange as a couple of civilian buildings would.

Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: zrunelord on November 15, 2019, 06:01:53 PM
Nice.
Brigade does some great 6mm terrain and I must resist the temptation....
oh well we all know that's futile :D

Must get one or more of that mecha in the pic. It looks great especially with the shield.

Z
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: YPU on November 15, 2019, 06:14:37 PM
Thanks!

I am just using them in place of regular GM's as I dislike that design and this is just much cooler looking. I 3d printed the bazooka and cratch build the beam saber hanlde on the back, and rebuild the entire elbow to make this pose possible.
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: ippaxy on February 04, 2020, 12:12:47 AM
Those 3D printed Gundam vehicles are awesome! Where did you find the files/did you make them yourself? I wanna do a One Year War miniature game, and I'm looking to find 3D models for printing of things like Type 61 Tanks, Magella Tanks, Anti Zaku Tanks, Jet Core Booster IIs, etc. etc.
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: YPU on February 04, 2020, 12:28:49 PM
I
Those 3D printed Gundam vehicles are awesome! Where did you find the files/did you make them yourself? I wanna do a One Year War miniature game, and I'm looking to find 3D models for printing of things like Type 61 Tanks, Magella Tanks, Anti Zaku Tanks, Jet Core Booster IIs, etc. etc.

Its a bit of a mix,

The type 61 and bloodhound trucks are made by a friend as a personal project, and he was kind enough to share the files. The fanfan and wappa are my own work. There is actually a discord server dedicated to creating and extracting files from old games, UC:GO which is long gone had some amazingly detailed models. Like folded up core fighter wings and landing inside the core booster. They require a bit of work to be printable, but its a good place to start. You can find the group here: https://discord.gg/A3t7AR
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: YPU on February 13, 2020, 01:35:16 PM
I've finished my largest conversion yet on the 1/400 models, turning this zaku I

(https://i.imgur.com/p4x7F9D.jpg)


Into a later refit zaku sniper, with a modified sensor and vulcans, a backpack mounted generator and large beam rifle among other smaller details.


(https://i.imgur.com/sn7DLce.jpg)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/454554029175865344/676768008231714838/IMG_20200211_1329550642.jpg)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/454554029175865344/676768010496901139/IMG_20200211_1330517962.jpg)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/454554029175865344/676768009033089025/IMG_20200211_1330419332.jpg)
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: OSHIROmodels on February 13, 2020, 01:37:28 PM
That’s brill  8)
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: Easy E on February 13, 2020, 05:27:09 PM
I love this thread!
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on February 13, 2020, 10:17:33 PM
Nice model.
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: Blackwolf on February 13, 2020, 10:25:24 PM
Nice thread,and interesting too. I have a 1/20 Scopedog suit, so it’s getting me inspired  :)
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: Inso on February 14, 2020, 12:23:30 PM
Nice thread,and interesting too. I have a 1/20 Scopedog suit, so it’s getting me inspired  :)

Please could you tell me how tall it is? I've been looking at 40k proxies and a Votoms mech would be very cool :) .
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: Blackwolf on February 14, 2020, 07:44:11 PM
A okay Inso. I’ll send you a PM :)
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: YPU on February 15, 2020, 10:57:08 AM
Thanks guys!

I just found some WIP pictures to show what all I did to the model.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/454554029175865344/678192510400725052/IMG_20191222_153753227.jpg)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/454554029175865344/678192511193186304/IMG_20191222_153747724.jpg)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/454554029175865344/678192511801491476/IMG_20191222_153758603.jpg)

There is actually a new crotch section in there made from plasticard that got entirely covered by the gun, but its there!
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: YPU on February 16, 2020, 12:55:14 PM
I have been getting second thoughts about the type 61 tank I'm using, the twin barrel deal in the picture below.

(https://i.imgur.com/tdJzDwm.jpg)

This is pretty spot on for the modern way of doing the type 61, sometimes called the M61A5 in materials.

See in the original series the type 61 looked like this:

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/376996855638261762/678579650561179658/310.png)

And I've just acquired 3d files from one of the old games for it, which are quite good. I would still need to re-draw it all to make it perfect, but having that guide helps a lot.
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/376996855638261762/678580484078305281/unknown.png)

Its a lot sillier and 80s but on a battlefield filled with 20 meter tall robots, the bit of added height isn't so strange a deal. The proportions also just have a lot more charm to me.
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: Inso on February 18, 2020, 12:56:10 PM
A okay Inso. I’ll send you a PM :)

Cheers :) .
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: winder on February 22, 2020, 12:25:51 PM
I have to admit I've never watched gundam but between this thread and this Instagram account I've stated following
https://instagram.com/hwadam7788?igshid=2c6bzhfp3qi8 (https://instagram.com/hwadam7788?igshid=2c6bzhfp3qi8)
I've started to get interested in it haha
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: YPU on February 23, 2020, 09:54:56 AM
I have to admit I've never watched gundam but between this thread and this Instagram account I've stated following
https://instagram.com/hwadam7788?igshid=2c6bzhfp3qi8 (https://instagram.com/hwadam7788?igshid=2c6bzhfp3qi8)
I've started to get interested in it haha

Good luck! There are 40 years of series to pick from by now! Personally I feel the original series held up very well considering its age, but milage may vary.
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: Lord Blackheart on February 25, 2020, 02:51:27 AM
Nice work
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: YPU on February 25, 2020, 10:29:09 PM
Nice work

Cheers!
Title: Re: YPU's 6mm gundam madness
Post by: Grimmnar on March 03, 2020, 04:37:29 AM
Please could you tell me how tall it is? I've been looking at 40k proxies and a Votoms mech would be very cool :) .
Well that be hella bigger than your cutoff 1/35 ones you use. ;-)

Grimm