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Title: Better era for skirmish, wotr or 13th century?
Post by: NickNascati on August 23, 2019, 12:20:45 AM
All,
      I want to build some small forces to play Fistful of Lead Medieval. Which era gives more scope for small scale fights, wotr or 13th century?
Title: Re: Better era for skirmish, wotr or 13th century?
Post by: Atheling on August 23, 2019, 05:21:50 AM
All,
      I want to build some small forces to play Fistful of Lead Medieval. Which era gives more scope for small scale fights, wotr or 13th century?

To be honest I'd just go with an era that you like the look of and fancy gaming. One thing to remember is that heraldry gets more complicated as time goes on; something to bear in mind if you're planning on painting a lot of it!

Before you buy any miniatures I would make sure that I bought a good book on heraldry at the very least; something on heraldic banners, standards etc

Kind Regards,
Title: Re: Better era for skirmish, wotr or 13th century?
Post by: bluewillow on August 23, 2019, 06:58:47 AM
Thirteenth was very common for small squabbles, particularly France on the Breton, Maine Normandy borders
Title: Re: Better era for skirmish, wotr or 13th century?
Post by: has.been on August 23, 2019, 10:09:53 AM
13th century, as said simpler heraldry & more small squabbles.
The Debatable lands (the wild lawless area on the Scots English borders)
should give you plenty of scope:-
Feuds, Cattle stealing, Mafia style tit for tat killings, jail breaks, attempts to
arrest wrong-doers, sieges/attacks on towers & uneasy market days for just
a few ideas.
Title: Re: Better era for skirmish, wotr or 13th century?
Post by: rumacara on August 23, 2019, 02:31:30 PM
Nick, the rules are available somewhere or are they homemade by you?
I have the main rules.
Title: Re: Better era for skirmish, wotr or 13th century?
Post by: NickNascati on August 23, 2019, 03:32:02 PM
Rui,
      I have the core FFoL rules.
Title: Re: Better era for skirmish, wotr or 13th century?
Post by: rumacara on August 23, 2019, 05:54:31 PM
Thanks Nick. :)
Its the ones i have so i will check stats for medieval.
Title: Re: Better era for skirmish, wotr or 13th century?
Post by: NickNascati on August 23, 2019, 07:19:40 PM
I believe that Jaye is talking about a dedicated medieval set at some point.
Title: Re: Better era for skirmish, wotr or 13th century?
Post by: 3 fingers on August 23, 2019, 08:04:47 PM
Border reviers , raids on bastles?
Title: Re: Better era for skirmish, wotr or 13th century?
Post by: NickNascati on August 23, 2019, 08:15:23 PM
I’ve tried Border Reviers a couple times before.  Like the figures, but the period never grabs me.  Right now, it looks like 14th century with the Claymore figures.
Title: Re: Better era for skirmish, wotr or 13th century?
Post by: Atheling on August 24, 2019, 01:57:34 AM
I’ve tried Border Reviers a couple times before.  Like the figures, but the period never grabs me.  Right now, it looks like 14th century with the Claymore figures.

Claymore Castings are of very high quality and I own quite a few.; here are a few painted examples:

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OD_fjyULAz4/VlzL8RPVtmI/AAAAAAAAkJc/X5FAMSVwfNw/s320/P1060092.JPG)(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-LvRyU2JS_Iw/VlzNr8BnRXI/AAAAAAAAkNg/Rw1A6YdqX2Q/s400/HAGIS%2BRAMPANT%2BMEN%2BAT%2BARMS%2B2A.JPG)
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(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-x2wWTEf86Ws/VmAzzDGU90I/AAAAAAAAkPA/NbnEBuhJxFA/s1600/P1060146.JPG)(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bjIBfUtyUNs/VmAzzcn5CDI/AAAAAAAAkPM/GzfBKDxuP8A/s1600/P1060149.JPG)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uLvMKacQ1ow/VmAzz0L-SmI/AAAAAAAAkPc/tnyY0asHFW8/s1600/P1060152.JPG)(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-07t9EDz73PI/VmAz0UIO2vI/AAAAAAAAkPo/O7Zti2uILy4/s1600/P1060155.JPGhttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/-07t9EDz73PI/VmAz0UIO2vI/AAAAAAAAkPo/O7Zti2uILy4/s1600/P1060155.JPG)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ywGtchhDa8k/VmAz0gUhrKI/AAAAAAAAkP4/rYH0kF1dJOg/s1600/P1060158.JPG)(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-F9_RcoOfWtg/VmAz1GmkiuI/AAAAAAAAkQE/aNyL7VvsSvo/s1600/P1060161.JPG)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NxhBtleicc8/VmAz1pdfC_I/AAAAAAAAkQU/7ojNxIpI9Tc/s1600/P1060164.JPG)(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CtAaZ2HR2Hc/VmAz2IZm6jI/AAAAAAAAkQg/cqMN46HGQH0/s1600/P1060167.JPG)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QdpzS87EhKk/VmAz2U1ygPI/AAAAAAAAkQw/oYMhC3m9zm4/s1600/P1060170.JPG)

Most of the miniatures above are sold by Antediluvian Miniatures now along with when combined with Claymore they cover the Border wars/ raiding etc of that era nicely:

https://antediluvianminiatures.wordpress.com/2018/02/07/shop-historical-range/ (https://antediluvianminiatures.wordpress.com/2018/02/07/shop-historical-range/)

Title: Re: Better era for skirmish, wotr or 13th century?
Post by: NickNascati on August 24, 2019, 02:02:47 AM
Very nice pieces indeed.  They look to be the work of the same sculptor as Claymore.
Title: Re: Better era for skirmish, wotr or 13th century?
Post by: Atheling on August 24, 2019, 02:08:21 AM
Very nice pieces indeed.  They look to be the work of the same sculptor as Claymore.

Yes, that's right, The Famous Mr Hicks. Most of these are now sold by Antediluvian Miniatures as I mentioned in my post above:

https://antediluvianminiatures.wordpress.com/2018/02/07/shop-historical-range/ (https://antediluvianminiatures.wordpress.com/2018/02/07/shop-historical-range/)

Kind Regards
Title: Re: Better era for skirmish, wotr or 13th century?
Post by: NickNascati on August 24, 2019, 01:55:28 PM
My interest remains I think in the 13th century, the classic chain mail and surcoat look. 
Title: Re: Better era for skirmish, wotr or 13th century?
Post by: Cubs on August 24, 2019, 03:09:29 PM
C13th for sure. I like both periods (probably WOTR more to be honest), but for skirmishing, you've got all the Robin Hood and Ivanhoe style things you can do, with local barons and woodsmen clashing over merchant trains, border raids, rescues from castles, damsels in distress (or dat dress) … so many options.
Title: Re: Better era for skirmish, wotr or 13th century?
Post by: Codsticker on August 25, 2019, 12:41:14 AM
My understanding is the 13thC and 14thC were the era of the chevauchee which sounds perfect for the type of game you want to play.
Title: Re: Better era for skirmish, wotr or 13th century?
Post by: Atheling on August 25, 2019, 06:25:54 AM
My understanding is the 13thC and 14thC were the era of the chevauchee which sounds perfect for the type of game you want top play.

As you have pointed out 14thC would be fantastic for this type of chevauchee gaming. The scope for inventing scenarios seems pretty limitless at a skirmish-y level games to me.

Capture the witch (re: capture Jeanne d'Arc sound like fun!)

Kind Regards.
Title: Re: Better era for skirmish, wotr or 13th century?
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on August 25, 2019, 09:52:00 AM
You could look at the Siege of Orleans (1428-29).
There were a lot of small actions plus a few big battles. There are lots of characters, and some very interesting military actions.

e.g.
Raids on food
Scouting
Raids on enemy camps
Extensive use of siege artillery
First use of snipers to target enemy commanders
Parts of the city destroyed by defenders, then skirmishes in the ruins.
Caravans of wagons being attacked (Battle of the Herrings was the biggest but there were many smaller actions).
Reinforcements being smuggled into the city
Bridges destroyed and then assaulted with ladders to span the gaps.
Title: Re: Better era for skirmish, wotr or 13th century?
Post by: Atheling on August 25, 2019, 11:24:45 AM
You could look at the Siege of Orleans (1428-29).
There were a lot of small actions plus a few big battles. There are lots of characters, and some very interesting military actions.

e.g.
Raids on food
Scouting
Raids on enemy camps
Extensive use of siege artillery
First use of snipers to target enemy commanders
Parts of the city destroyed by defenders, then skirmishes in the ruins.
Caravans of wagons being attacked (Battle of the Herrings was the biggest but there were many smaller actions).
Reinforcements being smuggled into the city
Bridges destroyed and then assaulted with ladders to span the gaps.

All great ideas.  8) 8) 8)

There's a great book available of the Siege of Orleans with a lot of heraldic info too, The Siege of Orleans and the Loire Campaign: Joan of Arc and the Path to Victory (Men & Battles), Stephane Gondoin

EDIT: Forgot the link  o_o:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Siege-Orleans-Loire-Campaign-1428-1429/dp/2352501199/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=siege+of+orleans&qid=1566732226&s=books&sr=1-3 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Siege-Orleans-Loire-Campaign-1428-1429/dp/2352501199/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=siege+of+orleans&qid=1566732226&s=books&sr=1-3)

Kind Regards