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Other Stuff => General Wargames and Hobby Discussion => Topic started by: grant on August 23, 2019, 05:45:06 AM
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The Russian bot, the service decline - perhaps both belong in this section and the moderati might allow some leeway?
Seems extreme. o_o
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I don't think so. LAF, even with new management doesn't really do the usual "off topic" forum discussions. This is still "General Wargames and Hobby" - the service decline thread was simply moved. The other two topics really weren't very useful in this area or on the forum.
It's one of the reasons I keep coming to LAF - because it isn't the wild west or "town square" style. I have other forums and Facebook for that. LAF has always been pretty solid about keeping everything on topic when possible.
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It's one of the reasons I keep coming to LAF - because it isn't the wild west or "town square" style. I have other forums and Facebook for that. LAF has always been pretty solid about keeping everything on topic when possible.
This - I like the level of moderation, and the fact that things are kept Wargames related
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I appreciate the moderation here actually.
The blanket ban is better than rules that get applied arbitrarily (I've found that, often, in other discussion places the rules never get applied to the moderator's friends but only to newcomers / people they don't like) and I think it keeps the forum constrained.
Compare it with the Wargaming Discord (PM me if you want an invite) I'm in which is a very Wild West "anything goes" environment and the difference is obvious.
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To be honest, pretty happy with the moderation as mentionned before this is a miniature wargame forum, I don't know why people really want to post that kind of topics here. I like the moderation level to keep this a pure wargaming forum as in most cases the removed or locked threads don't really contribute to the hobby in any positive way.
The Lead Adventure Forum has always been a positive environment to see, share information about wargaming with fellow minded hobbyists. There has been a decline in that positivity over the years sadly, not refering to the mentionned threads and posting members but there is already a rise in negative posts and negative attitude of certain newer members that really don't contribute to the forum and are really annoying in my opinion. To be honest don't really like the idea of this thread either with a title moderation extreme? I would certainly don't call the moderation extreme and I'm sure most of the membership would agree.
I understand the right for free expression/ opinion and so but think the owners of this forum are free to set the bar as they have always done in great fairness and patience. This is a hobby forum and the problems and issues of world politics and other general real life issues should be discussed through other channels such as social media, other websites and forums. I know at least one wargame forum where such talk is more than welcome so I would recommend those options if you really need to vent particular opinions or share some experiences.
Note that if you have life changing issues, personal problems or questions regarding certain aspects of life you can always ask for help here and sure most members will gladly help you despite not being hobby-related.
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Yep, +1 for what the mods are doing from me. Very happy with this forum the way it is.
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I think the mods do a cracking job, and the balance on LAF is v.reasonable.
:)
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To be honest, I barely notice the moderation. I suppose that means they are doing their job right.
As one of the affected parties (I started the thread about the Russian bot) I think that, while the contents were harmless, Chris took the right decision. The thread was indeed against the forum rules, even if I didn't realize it at the time. It wasn't related, even in passing, to wargaming. Of course, being a wargamer at the core, I couldn't stop thinking how interesting a boardgame of NSA vs Russian bots could be! But I disgress... Point is that I can assure you that I didn't take offence.
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http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=59001.0
The moderation probably feels extreme if you haven't read the rules and haven't understood what the forum is here for.
Of course plenty of people would be happy to come here and discuss anything. But the LAF position on this has always been that there are many many social media outlets out there where one can shoot the breeze to one's heart's content, on any topic one pleases.
Here, it's got to be squarely and directly related to wargaming. That's the mandate set by the Prof, who created this place. He no longer owns the forum, but the ethos hasn't changed, so it shouldn't really come as too much of a surprise to anyone :)
A couple of extracts from the rules at the head of this board may help:
You may no longer open topics which are not directly related to the wargaming or modelling hobbies. By this change, we intend to restore the LAF's original purpose, which is a hobby forum specifically dedicated towards wargaming, the making, modelling and painting of miniatures, as well as the collecting aspect. ALL OTHER TOPICS WILL BE REMOVED WITHOUT FURTHER NOTICE OR COMMENT.
The following are explicitly forbidden: Any personal topics as well as any "funny" memes (there's Facebook and Tumblr for that) and videos, computer games, your favourite whatever (Youtube, and again, there's probably a Facebook group for that) etc. There's a lot of things out there on the web, so you'll easily find a place to hang out for those needs.
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The moderation here is always very reasonable and never misses to explain why what is done, moderated or even locked. I never felt offended aund usually there is a warning shot before action is taken, if the discussion moves into an unappreciated direction. This is no censorship, but good gentlemanly behaviour, I'd say.
Thank you for the nice place to be, due to your work, moderators! :)
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Wargaming, wargaming, wargaming 8) :)
To be honest, I barely notice the moderation. I suppose that means they are doing their job right.
As one of the affected parties (I started the thread about the Russian bot) I think that, while the contents were harmless, Chris took the right decision. The thread was indeed against the forum rules, even if I didn't realize it at the time. It wasn't related, even in passing, to wargaming. Of course, being a wargamer at the core, I couldn't stop thinking how interesting a boardgame of NSA vs Russian bots could be! But I disgress... Point is that I can assure you that I didn't take offence.
And well done for saying so 8)
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I've not noticed any extreme moderation on the LAF. To be fair I'm not here all that often, but on reflection, on the odd occasion where I may have overstepped the mark I've not been censored or moderated inappropriately
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I also feel the moderation here is fair and reasonable when I notice it.
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The moderation here is fine, and maintains the atmosphere the LAF is known for. I think we've entered a very pessimistic age in online discourse (and within society on the whole due to current events, not to get too Real Worldy here) so it is very easy to get caught in a bit of a negativity bubble. For a while I even noticed some of my own posts were getting a bit negative (only within the GW thread to be fair) so have had to check myself a bit. There are a number of new members who seem to thrive on that sort of discussion, which is a shame, but moderation has stopped the feel of the forum from shifting.
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The blanket ban is better than rules that get applied arbitrarily (I've found that, often, in other discussion places the rules never get applied to the moderator's friends but only to newcomers / people they don't like)
Have to agree, even if sometimes looks a bit too extreme... but well human beings are a bit too extreme.
I couldn't stop thinking how interesting a boardgame of NSA vs Russian bots could be!
basically saw one from a student and was not that great... and there is one from a really interesting chap that could be good, but he is not that keen in having it published (British old school wargamer, he was close with Dr. Paddy Griffith, and he tend to keep everything at house rule level... sadly).
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+1 Belgian everything he said and I dont think it's just newer members. Some of the old sods have become GOFs.
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I too appreciate the fine job the moderators do here to help keep the discourse on-topic and civil. :)
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Aha! Grant, your cunning ploy to draw out members in solidarity in support of the mods has worked perfectly!
Your powers of reverse psychology are strong my moose-loving friend.
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The moderation here is always very reasonable and never misses to explain why what is done, moderated or even locked. I never felt offended aund usually there is a warning shot before action is taken, if the discussion moves into an unappreciated direction. This is no censorship, but good gentlemanly behaviour, I'd say.
Thank you for the nice place to be, due to your work, moderators! :)
It's a pity some here are incapable of displaying good gentlemanly behavior...
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Aha! Grant, your cunning ploy to draw out members in solidarity in support of the mods has worked perfectly!
Your powers of reverse psychology are strong my moose-loving friend.
Mission: accomplished. ;)
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Sorry and all that , I for one am fine and happy with the jobs the mods do.
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I am very grateful for the work the mods do in keeping this forum on strictly gaming topics.
I've pretty much stopped using other forums where this is not the case.
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Works just fine for me ..
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I think I was just being a bit sensitive maybe yesterday.
Disregard, and could someone be kind enough to lock this?
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Keep off the gin, it makes you maudlin.
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I think I was just being a bit sensitive maybe yesterday.
Disregard, and could someone be kind enough to lock this?
As you wish.