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The Lead Adventure Forum proudly presents - The Lead Painters’ League 13
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/20/577_27_02_15_7_18_45.jpg)
This year, the Lead Painters' League will be held for the thirteenth time – unlucky for someone!
The basic rule remains: paint 5 figures as a team, take a pic, resize the pic to a maximum of 1000 x 1000 pixels, and send it in.
LPL13 will run across October and November, and into the first week of December. Wrapping up well before Christmas.
In more detail…
Lead Painters’ League 13 (LPL13) Rules
1. Duration
The Lead Painters' League is held once a year. This year we’re reverting to the original format of 10 rounds, with each round taking one week of real time.
There will be a week’s break after round 3, to give participants time to catch up.
2. Number of Participants
The maximum number of participants is 50.
3. Entry Requirements
To take part in the league, you must submit three new teams (to be featured in the first three rounds) by the specified deadline.
See below (section 15) for this league’s season's deadlines.
Participation is on a first-come, first-served basis. The first 50 LAF members to submit three painted teams will take part in the league.
- You may not enter your LPL13 registration pictures before Friday 20th September 2019, 19.00 GMT. Entries sent before this date and time won't be accepted.
- The final deadline for entries is Friday 27 September 2019, 00.00 GMT. Remember, you must submit THREE teams by this date.
- You MUST specify which of these THREE teams is to participate in the first round, which in the second round, and which in the third.
4. Teams
A ‘team’ consists of 5 or more fully-painted miniatures or models in any scale up to and including 40mm.
A ‘new team’ is a set of figures or models painted by you, photos of which have NOT previously been published in their painted state ANYWHERE on the Internet or elsewhere.
All figures or models must be on finished bases, which may be textured, decorated, painted (with a pattern or in a solid, finished single colour) or consist of clear plastic (such as "flying" bases or clear acrylic/Perspex shapes). Miniatures within a team may be on multiple figure bases, based as single figures, or any mix of the two.
The figures must form a plausible ‘team’ by following a common theme AND being ‘on the same side’ - thus, for example, 2 Vampires and 3 Witch Hunters do NOT form a legal team, whereas 5 Space Marines do.
A mounted miniature on a steed of any kind (horse, lizard, warg, pig, motorcycle, squig or space hopper) counts as one figure.
Larger beasts such as elephants, and vehicles such as trucks or tracked AFVs, count as a single model including a mahout or driver. Any extra figures such as fighting crew, passengers and attendants count as separate figures.
An artillery piece, cannon, rocket launcher etc counts as one miniature. So a gun plus four crew is a legitimate team of five miniatures.
Please note: while figures must be presented on finished bases, tanks, vehicles, siege engines, artillery pieces, etc. do not need to be based. Not (self-evidently) do crew figures aboard vehicles or war beasts.
5. Team Photographs
You should submit a single photograph of the figures in the team, which may NOT be a collage or composite of individual images.
The maximum image dimensions are 1000 pixels wide by 1000 pixels high. The maximum file size is 1Mb (due to technical limitations and to reduce load time for slower internet connections).
You may NOT use any kind of digital manipulation except for basic image correction to white balance, colour balance, sharpness, brightness and contrast.
The following modifications are expressly FORBIDDEN:
• Any added text
• Any special effects (e.g. glow effects, artificial shadows, coloured outlines)
• Additional close-ups
• Alternative viewing angles
• Digitally-added background imagery
• Digital removal of base edges, addition of smoke, flames, etc
• Any kind of frames
The above list is NOT comprehensive. In short, any modification that goes beyond making the picture representative of the actual figures (see above) is not allowed.
6. Backgrounds
Your backdrop may be a single colour or gradient, or you may use physical terrain pieces to provide a scenic backdrop for your miniatures.
You may not use a photograph as a backdrop, nor any form of illustration or painting portraying woods, hills, sky etc.
Any terrain or scenery must be in the photo from the start (i.e. you must photograph the figures in front of it). You may not digitally add in a background image at a later point.
You may include additional figures as ‘extras’ to help populate a scene, including ‘previously published’ figures. But for ‘new team’ bonus points-scoring purposes, the five or more miniatures or models forming the new team, should be in the foreground and be the main subject of the image.
7. Submitting Photographs
When submitting photographs, the following details must be supplied in the text body of the e-mail:
• Team Name: to a maximum length of 30 characters (including additional information such as "decals used" or "xx mm scale").
• Member Name: even if it is for the last round of the league, always remember to add your forum username to ease administration and avoid any mix-ups.
• Declare if the team is new – i.e. previously unpublished (see 4. above).
To help us with administration, please also put your user name, team name and intended round in the email header (e.g. "SamSamplename Crusader_Cavalry Round 2" and, if possible, in the file name (e.g. "SamSamplename_crusader_cavalry_rd2.jpg"). This is useful for keeping track, especially for a larger number of participants. Further details as specified under 7.a. need only be put in the text body.
8. Match Pairings
In each round, participants' teams will be paired off in one topic for each match.
The first round pairings are completely random.
From round two onwards, pairings are made using an algorithm devised by Westfalia Chris, based on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss-system_tournament
LAF members may vote for either of the two teams.
Each LAF member has a single vote on each and every match.
There is no ‘both’ option.
9. Winning, drawing and losing
If the vote difference is 11 votes or more, the team with the higher number of votes is declared the winner and receives 30 match points. The team with the lower number of votes is the loser and receives 10 match points.
If the vote difference is 10 votes or less, the match counts as a draw and both teams are awarded 20 match points.
10a. Vote share bonus points
1. Both contestants' total vote scores are added to determine the total vote score.
2. Next, each contestant’s individual score is divided by the total vote score to determine their share.
3. Each contestant receives 1 vote point for every ten per cent of the total vote score.
4. For fractions of ten per cent, the lower score is rounded up to the next full ten, the higher score is rounded down. This means that unless a contestant receives zero votes, the minimum score is always 1, the maximum score is always 9.
Example: If, in a match, 500 votes were cast, of which 400 were in favour of contestant A and 100 in contestant B, contestant A receives 8 vote points (80%) whereas contestant B receives 2 vote points (20%).
If contestant A received 370 votes (74%) whereas contestant B receives 130 (26%), contestant B's vote points are rounded up from 2.6 to 3.
10b. Newly painted team bonus points
In rounds 4 through 10, any new (i.e. unpublished, cf. 4 above) team will receive 10 points the first time it participates. Older, previously published teams may also be submitted to participate, but will not receive this ‘new team’ bonus.
11. Themed bonus rounds
Rounds 1, 5 and 10 are bonus rounds featuring a specific theme – a creative challenge for participants. Participants don’t HAVE to follow the theme in these rounds, but they will win extra bonus points if they do.
In these rounds, if you submit a new team for a bonus round that matches the bonus round's theme, your team receives an extra bonus as specified below (in addition to the 10 point ‘new team’ bonus).
This year, the bonus themes are:
Round 1 – ‘Things that go bump in the night’
A Gothic Horror themed team comprising figures that represent a group of vampires, werewolves, ghouls, rippers, mummies or the like. Paint a team of at least 5 figures and earn 10 extra theme bonus points.
Round 5 – ‘Just the paint’
A team photographed au natrel, against a plain background, with no scenery, additional figures or props. Just the team, the whole team, and nothing but the team. So we can really focus on the paintwork. Do this in Round 5, and earn 10 extra theme bonus points.
Round 10 – ‘I like to be in America’
A team of miniatures portraying something manifestly American or from the Americas, North or South. This could be historical – from pre-Columbus to the AWI, the ACW to Vietnam (very popular right now!), via WW2 GIs, Mexican bandidos, native Americans, and much else besides. Or it could draw on alternative history, fantasy, sci-fi or horror – providing there’s a very clear American-ness to the team portrayed. Paint a team of at least 5 ‘American’ figures and earn 10 extra theme bonus points.
If you are at all in doubt as to whether a subject meets the bonus themes of rounds 1, 5 and 10, feel free to ask by PM or in the general LPL discussion board, and the LPL-Runner will make a ruling.
12. Unfair Means
During any round in which a team is participating in a match, you may NOT post images of that team elsewhere on the internet, nor ask other people to vote in your favour. This would constitute unsporting and ungentlemanly conduct.
13. Bonus Awards Points
There are 100 bonus points available to be collected during Season 13:
Round 1 - 10 pts theme bonus: ‘Things that go bump in the night’
Round 2 - no bonus
Round 3 - no bonus
Round 4 - 10 pts new bonus
Round 5 - 10 pts new bonus, 10 pts theme bonus: ‘Just the paint’
Round 6 - 10 pts new bonus
Round 7 - 10 pts new bonus
Round 8 - 10 pts new bonus
Round 9 - 10 pts new bonus
Round 10 - 10 pts new bonus, 10 pts theme bonus: ‘I like to be in America’
14. The Championship Title
After the final round of the league (round 10), the winner will be the participant who collected the greatest number of league points. Should two participants have scored an equal number of league points, we will hold a ‘paint-off’ - but probably this will not be necessary.
The three highest placed participants will be awarded Gold, Silver and Bronze medals shown on their LAF account and post info.
15. Timings, Registration and Deadlines
The first round of LPL13 will open for voting on Sunday 29 September 2019.
Entries to any round must be received by 00.00 Midnight BST (or GMT +1 hour) on the Friday before the next round opens on the Sunday.
Which means that you have until 23.00 GMT on Friday 27 September to get your first three teams in at LAF-LPL2019@outlook.com
The deadlines for LPL13 teams to be submitted will be as follows:
Round 1 - By Friday 27 September (Round 1 commences Sunday 29 September)
Round 2 - By Friday 27 September (Round 2 commences Sunday 6 October)
Round 3 - By Friday 27 September (Round 3 commences Sunday 13 October)
Fallow week
Round 4 - By Friday 25 October (Round 4 commences Sunday 27 October)
Round 5 - By Friday 1 November (Round 5 commences Sunday 3 November)
Round 6 - By Friday 8 November (Round 6 commences Sunday 10 November)
Round 7 - By Friday 15 November (Round 7 commences Sunday 17 November)
Round 8 - By Friday 22 November (Round 8 commences Sunday 24 November)
Round 9 - By Friday 29 November (Round 9 commences Sunday 1 December)
Round 10 – By Friday 6 December (Round 10 commences Sunday 8 December)
PLEASE USE THIS RULES THREAD ONLY FOR QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATIONS ON THE RULES.
FOR GENERAL COMMENT ON LPL13, PLEASE USE THE GENERAL LPL13 DISCUSSION THREAD.
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Thanks for running the LPL elk101!
A few questions....
For the gothic horror entry, would Cthulhu monsters be gothic enough? Or too eldritch?
I assume western figures will be 'American' enough?
Thanks
Tom
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I'd be fine with some Cthulhu related beasties. I played Cthulhu by Gaslight so the vibe can be very 'Gothic Horror'.
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Would skeletons qualify for round 1? Or maybe LotR army of the dead (spirit troops)?
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Hurray!
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Things that go bump in the night = Lizardmen?
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Look like there’s also some interest for the XIXth century wars in South America lately… would be nice to see some of these in round 10
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American team will be a hard one.
Question: Would Post Apo Trump from Hasslefree qualify ? lol
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American team will be a hard one.
Question: Would Post Apo Trump from Hasslefree qualify ? lol
You nicked my idea, you bastard! :-[
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Would skeletons qualify for round 1? Or maybe LotR army of the dead (spirit troops)?
Those may well be pushing things for Gothic Horror. Now a Victorian necromancer raising the Undead may be another matter. The LotR ghost army is definitely not within the realms of Gothic Horror though.
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American team will be a hard one.
Question: Would Post Apo Trump from Hasslefree qualify ? lol
If it was overtly 'American' from the finished paintjobs and miniatures ensemble, then yes.
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Things that go bump in the night = Lizardmen?
If they were in top hats amd frock coats smoking pipes, possibly.
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I might take the chance to hammer out a load of western minis - Dracula’s America vampires are gothic horror oui?
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For round 1 would some demons qualify for the theme, specifically these ones from antediluvian miniatures
https://antediluvianminiatures.wordpress.com/2017/12/03/shop-medieval-demons/
and for round 10 would some modern zombies be okay if they're suitably dressed, some stars and stripes, maybe a MAGA cap, or a maple leaf shirt
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I'll try to enter, it has been some years since I last participated.
For the gothic round, does a team have to consist of 5 similar creatures (5 mummies) or would a mix of figures qualify as well (a mummy, a vampire, a Frankenstein's monster,...) ?
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For the gothic round, does a team have to consist of 5 similar creatures (5 mummies) or would a mix of figures qualify as well (a mummy, a vampire, a Frankenstein's monster,...) ?
Been there, done that. (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=17684.0) I ask for forgiveness, not permission. lol
(I thought that Team Evil is an equal opportunity employer as long as you're evil. We've seen plenty of mixed teams. Usually that should be fine if they're on the same side and it somehow makes sense to have a group of interesting individuals. If you even follow the round's main theme closely, it doesn't feel like a major stretch to me. However, I'm not running this...)
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Just checking that Carnevale vampires with servants will be suitable for round 1 bonus
Thanks
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I really must try to enter this time.
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I might take the chance to hammer out a load of western minis - Dracula’s America vampires are gothic horror oui?
Yes, that would qualify for both the Horror and American themed rounds.
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For round 1 would some demons qualify for the theme, specifically these ones from antediluvian miniatures
https://antediluvianminiatures.wordpress.com/2017/12/03/shop-medieval-demons/
and for round 10 would some modern zombies be okay if they're suitably dressed, some stars and stripes, maybe a MAGA cap, or a maple leaf shirt
I would say those types of demons are appropriate as they are pretty 'Original Gothic' never mind Victorian Gothic Revival.
The zombies would be fine with appropriate paint jobs as suggested.
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I'll try to enter, it has been some years since I last participated.
For the gothic round, does a team have to consist of 5 similar creatures (5 mummies) or would a mix of figures qualify as well (a mummy, a vampire, a Frankenstein's monster,...) ?
A mix is fine. A full Classic Horror lineup would be great.
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Just checking that Carnevale vampires with servants will be suitable for round 1 bonus
Thanks
Vampires from Venice should be fine. More Baroque Horror perhaps, but still within the spirit of things, I'd say.
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Gothic Horror round - would slayers be allowed?
For example, 5 Vampire Slayers rather than vampires? Or 5 werewolf hunters, instead of 5 werewolves?
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Now who said 'Gothic Horror' ? I thought the title was 'Things that go bump in the night'?
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A Gothic Horror themed team
Just under the title.
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Just under the title.
Oh.. you expect me to read the instructions? Next you'll be suggesting there's a map I should look at. Outraged. ;D
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Gothic Horror round - would slayers be allowed?
For example, 5 Vampire Slayers rather than vampires? Or 5 werewolf hunters, instead of 5 werewolves?
If they are clearly identifiable as hunters, for example armed with crucifixes and stakes, etc. that would be fine.
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Why is the title "things that go bump in the night", which is wide and varied, but the actual requirement is gothic horror. Make the title gothic horror and avoid confusion?
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Ultimately it's supposed to be a fun thing. The rules are there to try and keep things even. The phrase 'things that go bump in the night' appears to derive from the late 19th to early 20th centuries being recorded in a prayer against such things, so it is very much in that period of classic Gothic Horror. If you have a particular cause for confusion please feel free to ask.
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Would GW's glaivewraith stalkers and a banshee qualify?
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Would GW's glaivewraith stalkers and a banshee qualify?
A banshee would be good, though the glaivewraith stalkers are a little on the fantasy side. They could be quite Edgar Allan Poe in the right circumstances, perhaps a few within a group of ghosts?
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I'm going to assume that large yellow fungus monsters running amock in a victorian quay and ahrbour constitutes gothic horror. If necessary I shall add top hats and monocles to a couple of them...
american is a little harder for me....
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I'm going to assume that large yellow fungus monsters running amock in a victorian quay and ahrbour constitutes gothic horror. If necessary I shall add top hats and monocles to a couple of them...
american is a little harder for me....
Top hats and monocles for sure. Throw in some frock coats and pipes for good measure.
Anything overtly fantasy will not get the bonus points. If in doubt feel free to ask or pm. The moderators for the board will decide if it's a little unclear.
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If they are clearly identifiable as hunters, for example armed with crucifixes and stakes, etc. that would be fine.
Thanks for the clarification.
I may have something suitable. ::)
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The phrase 'things that go bump in the night' appears to derive from the late 19th to early 20th centuries being recorded in a prayer against such things, so it is very much in that period of classic Gothic Horror. If you have a particular cause for confusion please feel free to ask.
Hmm. So, would horrors based on Bram Stoker qualify then? Given Dracula was written 1897 but it's generally had a lot of interpretations which vary in pastiche?
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Bram Stoker related Horrors are definitely fine.
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Definitely locks down the classic movie monsters for me. I have several I need to put paint on.
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(am dumb, thought I was posting in the general discussion thread. this is not a rules question. carry on.)
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Need an excuse to buy Warlords MASH unit - Is round 10 the excuse I'm looking for
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Need an excuse to buy Warlords MASH unit - Is round 10 the excuse I'm looking for
It would definitely fit.
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I'm looking for an excuse to blast through some Dracula's America stuff - are cowboys ok for round 10? and Vampire/southern gothic OK for the gothic horror?
Thinking I might be able to enter a DA group for each and every round!
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Just to double check (apologies if it’s been covered) but can older figures be included in the photos as well as the new ones.
For example, to set a ‘fight’ scene, if I’ve only got time to get one side complete can I use older figures to finish the scene off?
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Just to double check (apologies if it’s been covered) but can older figures be included in the photos as well as the new ones.
That is the established practice since before, to help create a scene. You need to add at least five new, however, to get points.
For example, to set a ‘fight’ scene, if I’ve only got time to get one side complete can I use older figures to finish the scene off?
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Yes, see final paragraph of rule 6.
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Aha! Thought I missed it. Thanks gents :)
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Can a wolf that is Dracula’s daytime bodyguard etc count as a single figure for the team of 5?
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Can a wolf that is Dracula’s daytime bodyguard etc count as a single figure for the team of 5?
Yes, it's both in keeping with the theme and an independent model (ie not a horse being ridden, etc.).
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Yes, it's both in keeping with the theme and an independent model (ie not a horse being ridden, etc.).
Ta. One of the other components will be substantive so it won’t be an easy option :)
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Just to check, are
1. boardgame boards in whole or in part (e.g. having the models on a Heroquest board), or
2. printed cardboard or otherwise precoloured terrain pieces (such as battlesystems cardboard scenery or precoloured MDF or plascraft buildings), or
3.Gaming mats
ok to use as "backdrop"/terrain in the pictures?
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Just to check, are
1. boardgame boards in whole or in part (e.g. having the models on a Heroquest board), or
2. printed cardboard or otherwise precoloured terrain pieces (such as battlesystems cardboard scenery or precoloured MDF or plascraft buildings), or
3.Gaming mats
ok to use as "backdrop"/terrain in the pictures?
We've had a chat and that would be fine.
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Ok Ive secured my Gothic entry.
Question is how gothic it has to be :P
I am making educated guess here that my Dr frankenstein and his monster are spot on but are scantily clad helpers gothic enough or to post modern (Malifaux I am looking at you...)?
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Dr Frankenstein and his monster are most definitely ok.
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Ok Ive secured my Gothic entry.
Question is how gothic it has to be :P
I am making educated guess here that my Dr frankenstein and his monster are spot on but are scantily clad helpers gothic enough or to post modern (Malifaux I am looking at you...)?
I've purchased Frankenstein... I wonder how many others will be doing a Frankenstein theme?!? :D :D
Looking forward to seeing how they all come out. Should be one of the best LPLs ever.
Thanks
n
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Just a reminder that the deadline for the first 3 rounds is approaching. Entries to be received by 00.00 GMT on Friday 27th September. As I said on the General Discussion thread, I'm not going to be an arse about it if you've spent the last month painting and are 15 minutes late submitting. Although there are rules to try and keep things fair it's supposed to be fun.
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I'd better get started then... :D
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I just need to take the pictures of my entries… which turn out to be a more tedious task than the painting, judging from the last LPLs ;D
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I sympathise Cal - Having spent Monday night taking numerous pictures of groupings then re resizing them to competition size. most stressful part of the league but wouldn't want to not enter as rest is so mush fun
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Just a question as it is not really mentioned in the rules.
Is it OK to deliver further entries earlier than the entry deadline week? Seeing as the starting three rounds' entry curfew (and deadline) has passed, is there any reason not to send entries for later rounds as soon as we can?
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Is it OK to deliver further entries earlier than the entry deadline week?
I send mine is as soon as they are ready. :)
(None ready yet. ::) )
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Yes that's no problem. It actually helps with setting photos up, etc.
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I presume when it comes to round 5 putting a plain banner (bit of card, material or paper) behind the figures will not breach the rule for adding a background picture
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I presume when it comes to round 5 putting a plain banner (bit of card, material or paper) behind the figures will not breach the rule for adding a background picture
A plain coloured piece of card, paper, foam board, etc will be fine.
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Hey, do I get in trouble if I post a better version of my photo since it got resized smaller when I sent it to you?
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If you can't get it not to resize when it sends, stick it on the thread and at least then we'll be able to see how much of a difference it makes.
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Done.
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The wrong image was put up for my Round 5 entry with 11 votes being cast before it was corrected. That’s not fair to either entry. Will those 11 votes be annulled?
Edit: Though Annulment doesn’t address whether all of those points might have gone to one or the other.
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I voted before seeing the correct image, but FWIW for me after seeing the correct image I don't think it would have mattered which way my vote would have gone
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I voted before seeing the correct image, but FWIW for me after seeing the correct image I don't think it would have mattered which way my vote would have gone
I also voted before the correct picture was uploaded, but it wouldn't have changed my vote as well.
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:)
Thanks for saying so but as the fault rests on me it’s only right that I offer restitution......
My concern was/is fairness to both parties. Checking with the mods, we’ve now established that my revised image had not been received (I’ve since found other garbled emails). The responsibility rests on my shoulders for not having been sure to obtain an acknowledgment; there was no fault on the part of the admin. Thank you mods for helping establish what transpired.
My point still stands that up to 10 votes (1 of the 11 was mine which I gave to me ;)) could have gone either way to make the difference between a win or a draw. Just before the image was corrected*, there were 5 votes for me and 6 for McMordian. As responsibility rests on me, I’m very happy for 4 of the 5 votes that came to me to be either annulled or awarded to McM, or whatever he prefers. :)
*It of course being entirely possible that some prefer my wrong image to my right one.
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My point still stands that up to 10 votes (1 of the 11 was mine which I gave to me ;)) could have gone either way to make the difference between a win or a draw. Just before the image was corrected*, there were 5 votes for me and 6 for McMordian. As responsibility rests on me, I’m very happy for 4 of the 5 votes that came to me to be either annulled or awarded to McM, or whatever he prefers. :)
Well, honestly I don't know what would be the best. I appreciate the thought though :) , but if any vote gets annulled I think all of those 10 should be, as they could have been different in either way (well except for those who said that is not the case :) ). Technical problems happen, nobody is perfect ;) .
I'm perfectly fine with leaving it as it is as well. I'm also okay with splitting those ten votes evenly and maybe that would be the most fair toward those who voted, seeing the wrong picture and for us competitors.
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The problem is that we don't know the distribution of those votes. When I checked there was one vote in it, so taking 5 from both entrants wouldn't really achieve anything, nor would adding 5 to each. I think the best way forward is to just leave it as is. If it's really going to be an issue then we could perhaps add those 10 votes into the draw parameters, or something (ie it's a draw if they're within 20 instead of 10)? Just me thinking aloud and it would obviously need both parties to agree anything like that. At least it was the same figures and not a totally different entry, so people were still voting on the same thing.
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I’m very aware that the photo mix up might have garnered me some ‘sympathy’ votes (I’m not being ungracious to such voters - the thought being understood and appreciated :)). With that in mind I’m very happy to go to a 20 vote draw margin, if McM is happy with that too. :)
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I'm fine with that. :)
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OK, so that's what we'll do.