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Miniatures Adventure => The Conflicts that came in from the Cold => Topic started by: Rich H on September 01, 2019, 09:31:49 PM
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Been somewhat busy with work but found a bit of time to start the next project - can you guess what it is yet?
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An Elefant?
Although it is missing a sprocket at the front.... :? ?
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I was going to say JSIII, but it’s got 4 top rollers?
Go on.... ;D
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An Elefant?
Although it is missing a sprocket at the front.... :? ?
Nope - it never actually saw service...
I was going to say JSIII, but it’s got 4 top rollers?
Go on.... ;D
There are 2 more to add...
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It’s not a E100?
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Nah, that was finished ages ago (really need to reprint that...)
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US M34 ? the wheels actually look a lot like the Chaffee.
:)
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US M34 ? the wheels actually look a lot like the Chaffee.
:)
Nope - wrong nation ;)
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Centurion?
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Centurion?
Yep!
I actually posted on the wrong board... but it was still built in WW2!
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Doh lol
I’ll leave it to the experts next time
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1/50 scale?
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Could be... ;)
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I thought you had done a Centurion already? ???
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Different scale and different customer ;)
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What options are you going to offer?
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It's going to be the Aussie version for Vietnam but I posted on the wrong board... lol
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It's going to be the Aussie version for Vietnam but I posted on the wrong board... lol
Mk III then.
How different is the Mk V (thinking AVRE).
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Same hull up to Mk VII.
1/56 Cent/AVRE is available via Die Waffenkammer
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Haha, just a bit outside the period of this board then if we're looking at an Aussie Mk5/1 ;)
But I am eager to see how this project unfolds :)
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1/56 Cent/AVRE is available via Die Waffenkammer
^___^
I am after a 1/50 one.
Just saying....
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Haha, just a bit outside the period of this board then if we're looking at an Aussie Mk5/1 ;)
But I am eager to see how this project unfolds :)
I am expecting a MkIII.
I might model 169041, and paint it with Citadel Hex Wraith Flame.
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Darn, since it was on the WWII board, I was hoping for an A41 prototype with
the 20mm cannon. No such luck!
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Darn, since it was on the WWII board, I was hoping for an A41 prototype with
the 20mm cannon. No such luck!
You need to look at a thread by some bloke called Rich H and his A41 project.
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=93724.0 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=93724.0)
Though the Polstn is not on the site.
http://www.diewaffenkammer.com/great_britain_and_the_commonwealth.html (http://www.diewaffenkammer.com/great_britain_and_the_commonwealth.html)
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I never did a Mk1 turret as there was no consolidated drawings. Plus it never got used anywhere. The MkIII appears to have been the most widely used so I did that.
There were 3 or 4 configs of the Mk1 turret and hull with various combinations of Polstens and BESAs including one in the hull and a second in the turret.
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I am expecting a MkIII.
I might model 169041, and paint it with Citadel Hex Wraith Flame.
A Mark 5 (change away from Roman numerals occurred during the war) is essentially a Mark 3 but with the co-ax swapped to a .30 cal Browning. The 5/1, the version that saw service in Vietnam is a Mark 5 but with the addition of a .50 cal ranging machine gun. So essentially hull and turret should be good to go if you want an earlier version.
The Australian Cents principally differed by having.
a) Bustle mounted stowage baskets.
b) Siting vanes on those tanks with the ‘B’ type barrel with the fume extractor.
c) External, demountable auxiliary long range fuel tanks (not fitted to all and not fitted all the time, there was a shortage of such).
d) The bazooka plates were removed very early on.
e) Attachment points for a couple of road wheels on the glacis plate (not fitted to all, or rather the road wheels weren’t always stored there.
Technically speaking, the Aussie 5/1 was better armoured, there was additional plate welded onto the glacis but you would struggle to notice in 1/50, it’s only apparent on close inspection on the real thing.
So if Rich does something similar to what he did with his 1/56 versions and produces an ‘A’ type barrel, bazooka plates and makes the basket, bazooka plates and auxiliary fuel tanks separate items ( I figure they will have to be anyway) then you should have a fair approximation of a Mark 3 or a Mark 5. You or he would probably need to make a glacis stowage bin and spare track. All of that I suppose is dependent on what the chaps commissioning it want to do. There are 1/48 Cents out there already if you want vanilla versions.
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Commission is for Vietnam cents but it would be relatively easy to do the other bits
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The siting vanes, three metal strips, running lengthways along the fume extractor, were for gauging the spread for the 20 pounder canister round. Not only an extremely effective anti-personnel round, it would strip away scrub and any camouflage applied to bunkers, so Cents upon encountering fixed defenses would fire a canister round, usually followed by solid shot into the aperture of any bunker revealed by the opening round.
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Tracks
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Detailed enough? ;D
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I've asked that this is move to the cold war section - I was trigger happy on starting the thread o_o
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Detailed enough? ;D
Well since I can see the track pins on that render, I suppose we should probably give it a pass mark.
lol
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An excellent book for Aussie Centurion fans is Jungle Tracks by Gary McKay and Graeme Nicholas.
Looks great Rich H.! I’m definitely up for a couple.
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I wondered where this wss hiding lol
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Thanks Carlos.
I hope the information is as useful to Rich as it is to me.
I have an early 1980's modelling magazine somewhere with a Vietnam Centurion diorama, I will have to dig it out.
Rich - looking good.
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Thanks all good info thanks!
Redrew the tracks as I wasn't happy with them.
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Little bit of progress ;)
Damn lumpy cast turret... :-[
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Gorgeous!
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Nice.
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:-*
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A little bit more progress between nappy changes...
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Finally a bit more progress:
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Hull in in half at the moment - still tweaking it before the mirror and the mantle cover will be added after print as I'm rubbish at cloth in 3d...
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Looking good.
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Looking good.
Seconded! :D
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After some delays caused by an outbreak of plague... finally getting somewhere.
Mantle cover will be made form greenstuff as I'm rubbish at sculpting soft shapes.
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Sorry to hear about your plague, but you have come storming back.
Nice looking tank.
Will they be at Warfare?
Always the optimist ^__^.
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No clue! I need to get a good print first.
First track print failed biggly so need to clean out and try again tomorrow.
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No clue! I need to get a good print first..
No problem, I still have to assemble the M48 and the Ontos.
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Still on the printer it's that fresh!
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Nice.
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Nice!
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Cleaned it up - looks good!
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Excellent. Did you work out the right version? ;)
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Hopefully... ;D
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lol
I am sure Carlos will put you right ;)
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Maybe.... maybe not.
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Turret printed overnight, looks good. Couple of minor bits (hatches) have failed so I'll reprint later. Turret basket printed nicely too by the looks of it. I'll get pics when I get home from work.
Couple of things to draw/print still: rooftop MG ammo stowage adn rear deck jerry can stowage both seem common to RAAC Cents.
Then onto the next project...
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Fantastic ;)
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I have only got two Empress Vietnam vehicles unassembled....
Though I do have a number of other Empress vehicles awaiting attention ^__^.
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Prototype with zero cleanup as yet.
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Front
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Top
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That's looking rather nice
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That's looking rather nice
I agree.
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Really looking forward to this :)
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Top
Note the lines you see on the turret are not 'print lines'. The lines on the track guard are print lines (diagonal)
The lines ont he turret roof are a result of aliasing.
This is a digital layering process: the printer uses an LCD to turn on and off 3d pixels of resin. if there is a gradual slope it has to digitise that.
Imagine going up stairs with a fixed step height (layer height) and fixed step width (Pixel size).
Assuming step height and width are the same then at 45 degrees the steps are evenly spaced.
If its 60 degrees every now and then you have to add an extra step in to 'catch up'. These catch up steps result in additional step lines you can see.
Sounds bad... but remember we are actually talking VERY small steps.
The layer height used on my printer is usually 0.05mm and the LCD pixel size is 0.047x0.047mm for reference a human hair is on average 0.08-0.1mm
The printer will actually print down to 0.01mm but it's far easier for me just to sand the surface very slightly as 0.01mm means prints take 5x longer and the super fine layers plus extended print time means print failures are more common. For example at 0.05mm one track takes 11 hours already.
One layer of undercoat and they vanish anyway ;)
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New turret print and accessories
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Overall it looks very good. It might just be the angle or the photo but the barrel looks a bit off. There’s a fairly pronounced taper between the mantle and the fume extractor on the real thing and then the barrel is fairly straight after that. That looks like it has more of a taper towards the muzzle. See below.
I take it that Empress are doing the .30 cal in metal?
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Cheers - I'll see if I can find a better drawing.
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By the by, if it only comes with one spare wheel, folk will need to add the mounting brackets for the other on the glacis. I assume it will cone with both spare wheels.
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All the additional bits will be metal for robustness. I don't do the MGs so they match across the range.
It'll have two ;) - one failed to print - they are separate to provide options for other marks.
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Thanks Carlos :-*
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Great looking model.
Love it.
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Nice.
I was going to ask about the big tank that hangs on the back of the hull.
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That looks excellent. I have a mate who drove these in 'nam, and then got posted to PNG. There's also an excellent book called 'Jungle Tracks' by McKay. But looking at Amazon, the paperback is now $288 !
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Rear deck water cans and roof top 30cal ammo complete
Even got a mix of Jerry cans and US pattern cans ;)
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close up
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Nice.
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And some ammunition
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Ammo cans and Germans are separate items? For those of us wanting to build a troop and mix things up in terms of stowage.
I also see you have the searchlight mounted in the turret basket will that be mountable on the turret?
Very nice so far.
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Yes they are separate.
Searchlight is separate too so could be mounted but the turret mount would be very flimsy.
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That looks excellent. I have a mate who drove these in 'nam, and then got posted to PNG. There's also an excellent book called 'Jungle Tracks' by McKay. But looking at Amazon, the paperback is now $288 !
Flippin ' heck,bought that book in Goulburn years ago for about $30!
Edit; had a look, plenty of cheaper copies out there.
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That is stunning!! ::) ::) ;D :-*
Rear deck water cans and roof top 30cal ammo complete
Even got a mix of Jerry cans and US pattern cans ;)
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really nice tank
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Finaly got all the bits printed, had to reprint the hull again as I found a pretty serious defect, it wasn't external but it was the base of the turret ring had failed, leaving a large gaping hole in it! now I need to find time to clean up the prints and miliput the turret....
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looking good
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Rear deck water cans and roof top 30cal ammo complete
Even got a mix of Jerry cans and US pattern cans ;)
Looking at photos it looks like the Aussies were using US Jerry cans rather than a mix????
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(http://members.tripod.com/centurion-mbt/169064_2.jpg)
Mixture ;)
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Mantle cover sculpted last night. Exhausts (nearly forgot) printed out.
Everything is having a final bit of a sunbathe on the windowsill to make sure it's all cured properly then it'll be off to Empress :D
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Everything is having a final bit of a sunbathe on the windowsill to make sure it's all cured properly then it'll be off to Empress :D
Yay!
By the way - the jerry can photo just shows the Tripod logo.
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Linky:
http://members.tripod.com/centurion-mbt/169064_2.jpg
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Man, I am so excited for this. I've been trying to resist 28mm Vietnam, but the promise of gaming Binh Ba is just too much.
I'll only need 3 Centurions... And another 3 M113/T50. Get cracking ;)
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Or you could game the lesser known but equally interesting battle of Ba Ria and dispense with the Cents.
https://vietnam.unsw.adfa.edu.au/the-tet-offensive/
One of only two battles that 1ATF undertook in an urban environment and long before the army brought in FIBUA/MOUT training.
Of course you’ll still want the Cents for Coral-Balmoral. :)
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Shush you, he wants a platoon of Centurions lol
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Umm, that's a Troop of Centurions. They are Armoured Corps, after all.
Often operated in 2's from what I read (long ago) in Jungle Tracks. Our Driver Training instructor got his MM (and bar) there. Mind you, he was quite an angry ant. lol
Shush you, he wants a platoon of Centurions lol
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Of course lol
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Linky:
http://members.tripod.com/centurion-mbt/169064_2.jpg
Thanks - that also is the triod logo.
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Er.. I'll try again later
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Did I say 3? Silly me, I meant 4. Have to have a full troop of course!
All this military reading has me nostalgic for the army. I'm not too old yet, maybe this retired pogue will re-up and go for a combat Corps? I'm sure they'd want a 30yo ex-bandie lol
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lol
If I'm lucky all my aircraft will be washing machines, milk bottle tops and drinks cans by now (Rust In Pieces F3 ADV)