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Miniatures Adventure => Age of the Big Battalions => Topic started by: Grumpy Gnome on September 04, 2019, 09:25:19 AM
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I only just stumbled across this game the other day thanks to a wanted ad.... looks like it has some potential to appeal to me where Sails of Glory failed.
From what I understand preorders open later today, so there should be a lot more info this afternoon.
http://www.warlordgames.com/frequently-asked-questions-black-seas/
But I have found two interesting videos as well... on that covers things like Advanced rules for more accurate weather gage on one end to more beer and pretzels things like the Kraken.
Seems they are starting with Golden Ag of Sail (Napoleonics) but may do things like Golden Age of Piracy if there is sufficient demand.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMDuErqkpZc
It seems to be a development from Cruel Seas... and I have heard that game has not been popular so far. From the people playing that, what is wrong with it?
Here you can see a preview of the game on a table at Salute.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=m3eHd7AffEA
EDIT: Looks like preorders are up now. https://store.warlordgames.com/collections/black-seas
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I have heard that game has not been popular so far. From the people playing that, what is wrong with it?
Cruel Seas has been very popular in my gaming area (Mid-West USA). There was a stumble upon release of the rule book, which needed quite a few corrections of wordings, typos, clarifications, etc., and this didn't help the game's launch, but the game itself is very fun and playable, and the Warlord models are terrific.
If one wants to play a fun and easy-to-learn coastal naval game, Cruel Seas is great for that. If someone is looking for more "crunchiness", there's a few other rule sets available for WW2 coastal actions, and a new one by Dave Manley just has come out - Narrow Seas
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Black Seas will be fun and fine for most - there will always be those that say a system needs 'more', but sometimes less is more (and that this accessible approach to rules design ends up being a lot more entertaining).
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Saw the prototype ships and they look very promising. Have heard that there will be a sprue on the October copy of Wargames Illustrated (perfect timing for Trafalgar Day so I expect WHSmiths will sell out again).
Quite a few people play Cruel Seas in Scarborough, rules are fairly quick & easy.
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I look on with interest. I'm one of those who doesn't want a very 'crunchy' game. Something that gives us the flavour and feel is what I want. I'm in deep thought as to whwether to hit the pre-order button.
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I noticed they released a trailer.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NS2UvBspv3o
Maybe it is just me but it does not feel like an enthusiastically marketed game so far. I know this is a bit of a niche market, I have seen numerous Age of Sail games, both tabletop and computer fail to really catch on but usually what fans there are tend to be die hard fanatics.
I am torn on the pre- release. I want to be in love with it but currently I am obsessing on Dropfleet Commander, which I only recently found, and my favorite age of sail ships are earlier period than Napoleonic.
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I will wait and have a look at Crisis in November
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I'll keep an eye on this game. Christmas is not that far away!
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This one looks interesting for me. I've long found Age of Sail type games appealing, but have yet to find one. I preordered the starter set
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The new Firelock Games Oak & Iron also looks interesting, and uses 1:600 scale ships. I see those rules are available fro free download, too.
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How's it compare to Osprey's "Fighting Sail"?
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Looks quite a bit more complex than fighting sail, which is a good set for large fleet actions.
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According Warlord Spain, they plan to expand the game to include bigger ships, even 2nd and 1st rates.
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The pre-release page shows generic 1st and 3rd rates as well as HMS Victory and L’Orient. I would like to see some ship sprees to see how much diversity you can have in things like figureheads.
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The pre-release page shows generic 1st and 3rd rates as well as HMS Victory and L’Orient. I would like to see some ship sprees to see how much diversity you can have in things like figureheads.
Also some Spanish ships: Santisima Trinidad, San Juan Nepomuceno and Asia, I think.
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The scale is interesting - 1/700 (all my ships are 1/1200 Langtons, so I'll be hard pressed to switch scales). Will see how polished the final product is.
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My Napoleonic stuff is all either 1:600 or 1:2400. The 1:600 should be Ok with the 1:700 ships
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Always fancied small scale actions with 1:300 myself. The hull of the brig is 110 mm; hull of the frigate is 145 mm long. Both by Langton. Beauties!
(http://www.rodlangton.com/nnimages/brig2.jpg)
(http://www.rodlangton.com/napoleonic/juno2.jpg)
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olicana - why am I not surprised with your choice in scale. All in or nothing!
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The pre-release page shows generic 1st and 3rd rates as well as HMS Victory and L’Orient. I would like to see some ship sprees to see how much diversity you can have in things like figureheads.
On the prototype/pre-release sprues I saw there were different options for sterns and beaks, so should give a bit of variety.
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Ah, good! They are small models but I do like some diversity.
I found this site for other 1/700 ships already available.
https://navymodelsandbooks.co.uk/product-category/meridian-1700-scale-trafalgar-ships/
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The new Firelock Games Oak & Iron also looks interesting, and uses 1:600 scale ships. I see those rules are available fro free download, too.
I'm quite tempted by one of these but I'm holding fire until I see some reviews of both.
I'm leaning towards Oak and Iron because Blood and Plunder is such a brilliantly put together product.
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I'm quite tempted by one of these but I'm holding fire until I see some reviews of both.
I'm leaning towards Oak and Iron because Blood and Plunder is such a brilliantly put together product.
I have a feeling I will end up buying both!
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My favorite is still Kiss Me, Hardy by TFL
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I’d be tempted by the rules only; I’d used Langton and GHQ for models. The 1:1200 scale would make for a better looking game possibly too - like playing WW2 with 1:285 instead of 28mm, ranges feel/look better.
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Saw the models yesterday.... 3 assembled placcy generic ships and 2 resin 1st Rate hulls; they are VERY pretty
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I decided to wait until Crisis to see them in person.
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An interesting interview with the designer... and a look at some of the models. Better looking in some ways but not sure about those stays and ratlines.
I love what he is doing to push things like the line for rigging and cotton wool for the broadsides.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eHUciglYbR8
EDIT: It is interesting what can be done with 1/1200 scale ships for Trafalgar with Fire as She Bears rules. I love the flashing broadsides and flag communication.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F-wb3Akqqz4
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Some more good information....
“The range will also contain several 1st rate ships made in resin and metal, in fact, 3 for each of the British, French and Spanish navies: 2 Named ships and a third generic 1st rate. There will also be 3 resin and metal US Frigates and Super Frigates. You can expect to see the HMS Victory for the British and the L’Orient for the French followed sometime later by the Santissima Trinidad for the Spanish and the USS Constitution for the US. Then in 2020, we will also release the British HMS Royal Sovereign, the French L’Ocean, the Spanish Principe de Asturias and the USS Essex.
In time we plan to also release the other types of ships of the line (2nd rate, small 3rd rate, 4th rate and 6th rate), one or two models for each, and several smaller vessels.“
And some better pictures showing how the ships can be individualized.
https://www.warlordgames.com/black-seas-designer-notes-by-gabrio-tolentino/
And an excellent look at the rulebook from Wargames Illustrated. Looks like October will have plenty of plastic frigate and brig sprues floating about, if you will forgive the pun.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i8H8EFIM5iI
I have to say, the manual looks great to me. I may not wait until Crisis afterall.
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I weakened and ordered a French fleet.
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"Hello Sailor" by Walter Sweetly
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“Models are hard to find”
Langton, GHQ... full lines already out there.
The fluff piece made me like the concept significantly less - like GW telling me their dice are so innovative. lol
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Fair point Grant, although Langton and GHQ are 1/1200 aren‘t they?
The Black Seas ratlines bother me. They look plasticky and cheap on otherwise decent miniatures. But brass ratlines to scale from Meridian would increase the per model cost quite a bit.
https://navymodelsandbooks.co.uk/shop/meridian-1700-scale-trafalgar-ships/components-list/mtc03-etched-brass-ratlines-set-for-1st-3rd-rates/
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I have pre-ordered the base set.
Looks fun, pretty too. I can see further "investment" ahead.
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Has anyone have a look at the actual rules? The videos are OK, but it is not clear what is the scale of engagements the ruleset manages best. To be more precise, does anyone know how many ships per side would be deployed in a typical game? By the look of it, it seems that it is intended for squadron-sized fleets, i.e. 3 to 5 ships per side, but not sure if that is the case, i.e. how the game deals with command of squadrons or if it is just like a dogfight but with sailing ships instead of planes and each ship acts on her own.
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From what it looks like in the online media so far I would say focused on the squadron sized games you suggest, although there is I believe a Trafalgar scenario in the advanced rules. In the seminar video I think the author mentioned Trafalgar would need a pretty big table, like twice what you normally see gamers use.
Edit: And I seem to recall in the rulebook look from Wargames Illustrated I saw an advanced rule for sailing in line which would suggest some rule to encourage formation sailing rather than just dogfighting.
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After reviewing the media on Black Seas I am taking a cautious approach to the rules. Clearly this is following the Warlord model of fast play beer and pretzel style systems. The author points out that he had to simplify the sailing mechanics but some detail was added into the advanced rules. Also I read elsewhere that David Manley was asked for input by WL - that is a good sign. As a sailor and age of sail rules collector I am interested but want some "crunch" in my AoS games. I am interested in actions with smaller ships such as the lake battles in the War of 1812 as well. Many rules overlook this aspect of age of sail and go for fleet actions with ships of the line, etc.
Rick W. if you are looking for pirates which is really 17th century for the most part I would recommend Oak & Iron. I invested in the KS. Also what Firelock did is post actual game play videos explaining the mechanics so you can make an informed decision on the game system. I wish WL would have done this for Black Seas.
Rick W. - curious where did Sails of Glory fail for you?
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To be fair I never gave the Sails of Glory rules much of a chance after I saw the price and look of the minis. Perhaps it is a cracking game.
I understand the concern about Warlord Games streamlined games. Bolt Action did not click with me, which put me off trying Gates of Antares.
My fondness for 17th century sail is more about galleons than pirates, but I will admit some nostalgia for Pirates of the Burning Sea. If I was still playing computer games instead of focusing on table top I would likely be heavily into Naval Action.
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To be fair I never gave the Sails of Glory rules much of a chance after I saw the price and look of the minis. Perhaps it is a cracking game.
I understand the concern about Warlord Games streamlined games. Bolt Action did not click with me, which put me off trying Gates of Antares.
My fondness for 17th century sail is more about galleons than pirates, but I will admit some nostalgia for Pirates of the Burning Sea. If I was still playing computer games instead of focusing on table top I would likely be heavily into Naval Action.
Ironically I am heavily into Naval Action and that has turned my focus from TT to PC games! Although these days my time in NA has declined. You may like the upcoming Ultimate Admiral Age of Sail it is a wargame rather than a MMO like NA.
You can certainly do galleons and 17th fleet actions with Oak & Iron - they are coming out with 17th century ships of the line as part of the KS. The limitation with Sails of Glory is that it is geared to one ship per player maybe two for an experienced player and played as written it has a boardgamey feel. Personally I don't use all the chit and cards, rather we use a laminated record sheet to mark damage. It also does not cater to the small ships. I do agree that the Sails of Glory minis need some enhancement - paint the spars, give it a wash and some people do the rigging. What I like about the Black Seas minis is that WL gives you everything in the box to properly build a nice model including the rigging. I have looked into the paper ships from War Artisan but the modelling aspect is a bit fiddily for my tastes.
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Yeah Oak and Iron has some appeal, I just wish the ship models were a bit tastier.
I am curious to see if Black Seas goes into other periods over time as the designer mentioned... I mean he did talk about a kraken as well so he may have been taking the piss.
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Trafalgar in 1:700! I suspect you would have to play it on the floor rather than on a table. I did on a 12 x 6 several years ago but, I was using 1:2400 ships. Even then, things did seem rather cramped, and the light breeze at Trafalgar still hustles things along. Here's a pic of the thing set up, with each ship represented. The ship out on its own, centre right, is Africa.
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_WzUta4JPR-o/S7yARPLbm4I/AAAAAAAACCc/jUP8xSeV4JM/s1600/IMG_4595.JPG)
They are such little ships compared to 1:700. For scale, the dice in the shot below are 6 mm.
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_WzUta4JPR-o/S7x_B9fsZLI/AAAAAAAACB0/x9tmeChzVhQ/s1600/IMG_4601.JPG)
This shot is taken from the rear of the Allied line and shows the spacing of the English fleet a little better. If I remember correctly, ground scale is 1:4800 - half that of the ships.
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_WzUta4JPR-o/S7yAQTh8ClI/AAAAAAAACCE/v-YH0PrB9gI/s1600/IMG_4599.JPG)
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Yeah, fair point... that is a lot of sea to cover.
Another video from Warlord, near they end they talk about smaller classes of ships in the future.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FDFZlsyXjaE
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Interesting video. I wish they would put out a play through like Firelock did. There is always a concern that the stat range may be too narrow and small unrated ships will be an afterthought. Some of the photos included gunboat models which made me hopeful that they started the stat range small and worked up. I imagine the gunboat rules are abstracted and represent a small number of boats or flotilla. Does not bode well for representing lake schooners with a single pivot mount otherwise.
I did notice a photo in the old GW "Trafalgar" rules of Gabrio playing when he was at GW. Those rules were geared towards larger ships and battles. Having said that one could always buy the ships and use other rules! I think the scale is suited for smaller ships.
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I agree that a playthrough video is something they should do. And I agree that the minis can be useful for other games. Warlord does seem to be a mini company first and game company second.
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Rick W. totally agree on both points.
Are the sail and/r wake files going to be available online for those buying the WI? After thinking I'll be able to steer clear of this and get my 1/1200 finished I find out some friends have already ordered the "big starter boxes" ::) lol
Looks like there will be a small privateer frigate joining the fun.
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As an age of sail grognard, I have been waiting for play through videos on YT at a minimum before critiquing. Now there are several out including one with a Warloard employee and another by On Table Top. Suffice it to say that some of what I have seen is troubling for those looking for granularity in combat. For those gamers who don't know the difference between a motor torpedo boat and a frigate the basic rules are certainly sufficient for a fun club game. This is certainly the intent as noted by the designer who is an age of sail aficionado, which makes me hopeful for the advanced rules. To a certain extent you won't completely turn a beer and pretzels game into a sim with just 4 pages of advanced rules though.
Several examples that trouble me. One playthrough (On Table Top) video showed that brigs have 2 heavy cannon dice which do 2 points of dmg per hit. But there is nothing that distinguished those guns from the heavy cannon on the Santisima Trinidad. The Santisima carried a battery of 36 lb guns and a battery of 24 lb guns, plus a battery of 12 lb guns on the upper deck. Most small unrated brigs carried 6 lb guns unless rearmed with carronades. Put it another way it made a difference that USS Constitution was armed with 24 lb long guns opposing frigates with the standard 18 lb batteries.
Another is in the basic rules running with the wind is the fastest point of sail, which is incorrect. Apparently the sailing and wind rules are a bit different with the addition of the advanced rules. Also the attacker in boarding combat gets a +1 to the dice? Like to know the rational for that one. And grappling can occur when the ships are 3 inches apart!?!
Anyway I do like the fact that everything, except paint, you need is in the box including rigging. Since the models are larger I was hoping to use them for lake battles however I am not sure the rules have sufficient granularity on the low end of the stats for that, despite that they do have gunboat models.
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As others have said it's horses for courses. I'm one of the many who have never played much in the way of AoS battles and am happy to have a simple game with a little colour thrown in. I'm not looking at a brain wracking game that leaves me walking away. If I find the game fun, but a little lacking, I can go hunt for more 'crunchy' rules in a few months time.
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Yeah Oak and Iron has some appeal, I just wish the ship models were a bit tastier.
I am curious to see if Black Seas goes into other periods over time as the designer mentioned... I mean he did talk about a kraken as well so he may have been taking the piss.
Hey Rick, may I ask what you find lacking on them? Also, have you seen some of the final prototypes? If not, there are some pictures here: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/firelockgames/oak-and-iron/posts/2636126
By the way, a new video detailing the games mechanics just went up today: https://www.beastsofwar.com/featured/round-breakdown-oak-iron/
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As an age of sail grognard, I have been waiting for play through videos on YT at a minimum before critiquing. Now there are several out including one with a Warloard employee and another by On Table Top. Suffice it to say that some of what I have seen is troubling for those looking for granularity in combat. For those gamers who don't know the difference between a motor torpedo boat and a frigate the basic rules are certainly sufficient for a fun club game. This is certainly the intent as noted by the designer who is an age of sail aficionado, which makes me hopeful for the advanced rules. To a certain extent you won't completely turn a beer and pretzels game into a sim with just 4 pages of advanced rules though.
Several examples that trouble me. One playthrough (On Table Top) video showed that brigs have 2 heavy cannon dice which do 2 points of dmg per hit. But there is nothing that distinguished those guns from the heavy cannon on the Santisima Trinidad. The Santisima carried a battery of 36 lb guns and a battery of 24 lb guns, plus a battery of 12 lb guns on the upper deck. Most small unrated brigs carried 6 lb guns unless rearmed with carronades. Put it another way it made a difference that USS Constitution was armed with 24 lb long guns opposing frigates with the standard 18 lb batteries.
Another is in the basic rules running with the wind is the fastest point of sail, which is incorrect. Apparently the sailing and wind rules are a bit different with the addition of the advanced rules. Also the attacker in boarding combat gets a +1 to the dice? Like to know the rational for that one. And grappling can occur when the ships are 3 inches apart!?!
Anyway I do like the fact that everything, except paint, you need is in the box including rigging. Since the models are larger I was hoping to use them for lake battles however I am not sure the rules have sufficient granularity on the low end of the stats for that, despite that they do have gunboat models.
I've just received the Master & Commander set this morning, and I'm pretty impressed with the amount of stuff (islands, sea mat, markers etc) you get as well as the ships. The basic sailing rules are indeed unrealistic, but the advanced ones are not. They don;t allow you to sail as close the the wind, restrict you to light sails when the wind is coming for forward of the beam, and restrict you to battle sails when the wind is coming from dead aft. You only get to use full sail when reaching or broad reaching. The rules look ok from a read through, but we'll need to play them to be sure. The 1:700 models are nice and match up well with my existing 1:600 scratch built ships.
So the game looks fine to me. I've also looked at the video for Oak & Iron and those rules look a lot more fiddly to me (as much as I like Blood & Plunder there are a lot of fiddly bits in those rules as well), although I'll probably end up buying those as well.....
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Hey Mike, those do look better than the ships I had seen previously. I like the idea you folks are considering on the different sail sprues. Options are generally a good thing. The galleon and fluyt certainly have my attention.
I have been off line a week and have not seen any game play videos of either game. I will need to play catch up.
DeRuyter some of your concerns I understand. Certainly the cannon and weight of shot issue. The boarding stat? Maybe a bonus for attackers having the initiative, ie attacking when they are ready rather than having to react? But yeah, 3“ for boarding? Sounds like some house rules tweaking to be done.
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The attacker does get +1 in the first round of boarding
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The two heavy cannon on the Brigs bother me a bit as well, but it is easy enough to fix - just make some ship cards with 2 light cannon (and probably 20 points cheaper since that seems to be roughly point difference for heavy v light).
No doubt there were heavy cannon armed brigs, but most had 9 pdrs or carronades.
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I've just received the Master & Commander set this morning, and I'm pretty impressed with the amount of stuff (islands, sea mat, markers etc) you get as well as the ships. The basic sailing rules are indeed unrealistic, but the advanced ones are not. They don;t allow you to sail as close the the wind, restrict you to light sails when the wind is coming for forward of the beam, and restrict you to battle sails when the wind is coming from dead aft. You only get to use full sail when reaching or broad reaching. The rules look ok from a read through, but we'll need to play them to be sure. The 1:700 models are nice and match up well with my existing 1:600 scratch built ships.
So the game looks fine to me. I've also looked at the video for Oak & Iron and those rules look a lot more fiddly to me (as much as I like Blood & Plunder there are a lot of fiddly bits in those rules as well), although I'll probably end up buying those as well.....
Thanks for the heads up on the advanced rules. Eases my mind a bit. I think someone has posted a lets play video using all the rules as well. I think O&I will play much like B&P and I did think that B&P was fiddley the first time I played it. Of course for O&I I just had to have the 17th century ships!!
I think on the brigs I would do as you suggest - change to light cannon or better yet to carronades which for 1812 is more the norm. I will also kitbash several brigs into schooners.
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Well, we had a game of this last night. We used the 'Cat and Mouse' scenario from WI, so 1 frigate vs 2 brigs.
We used the advanced wind rules, and 'fire as she bears' but not any other advanced rules.
A really fun game; it was a draw after 6 moves (1 brig on the point of striking), but we continued for another 4 moves or so and an unwise attempt to swing round using the sea anchor saw the frigate hit several times without reply (helped by great dice rolling from the brigs), and striking her colours.
Only one thing I don't like about the rules as they stand; a hit on a roll of 1 is a critical, but this means that when it is hard to hit, it is more likely that any hits will be criticals, and also means that a light cannon is as likely to score a critical hit as a heavy one or a carronade. Easy to fix: instead of using the to hit rolls, roll 1d10 per damage point, 1s (or perhaps 10s so low rolls are not always good) are critical hits.
A shot of the action; I've not build the starter ships yet, so the frigate is one of my scratch built 1:600 ships and the brigs are WizKids Pirates of the Spanish main ships which I based and painted the white edges a while ago - they make pretty good gaming models.
(https://i.imgur.com/FZxXbaO.jpg)
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Sadly it does not look like I will be making it to Crisis but fortunately I got to Spiel in Essen a couple of days ago. Had a nice chat at the Warlord Games stall. Got a good look at Black Seas But had no time for a demo game.
Beautiful minis. Nicer than I actually expected. The acetate ratlines And shrouds were better than I expected but still not as good as I would wish. I was told new sails would be coming out in the near future with battle damage. Lots of new things in the pipeline but I think they were reluctant to spoil the surprises.
I was told the release has been a smashing success for them, far exceeding expectations. This is good news because it means they are much more likely to explore other periods, like the Age of Piracy.
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Dumb question from someone who hasn‘t had a chance to test the game yet: what would I miss by buying the rulebook and a fleet box but not the starter set? Anything essential?
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You'd miss the damage markers, the scenery, the sea mat, the measuring gadgets, and you'd find you don't have the right ships for half the scenarios which requires frigates & brigs.
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Speaking of galleons....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM0r5EHUexY&t=1710s
.... just sayin‘....
Looks like Reaper is helping the 28mm nautical crowd.
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You'd miss the damage markers, the scenery, the sea mat, the measuring gadgets, and you'd find you don't have the right ships for half the scenarios which requires frigates & brigs.
But the fleet boxes also contain frigates & brigs. Wouldn‘t I end up having too many of them?
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Steve thanks for the AAR. Very helpful.
Looks like I am in for a starter set - best value as well. One idea for the extra ships if you also get the fleet box. There are definitely too many brigs but you can convert several into merchant brigs (file off the guns paint all brown wood hull and done!). Or with a bit more work into schooners. One of my favorite battles involves 10 frigates so no worries there!
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But the fleet boxes also contain frigates & brigs. Wouldn‘t I end up having too many of them?
You'd end up with lots of frigates and brigs. Whether that's a bad thing I don't know. You could convert some excess Frigates to small merchants, or American super Frigates, and you could convert brigs to sloops and cutters. Or you could use the extra ships to make 'sunken ship' bases.
I already have ships of the line + 1st rates in 1:600 scale scratch built many years ago, so I don't need any more of those. What I was short of was small ships; I only had 2 frigates, so the starter box has been ideal for me. It also turns out that the WizKids Pirates ships are a good match size-wise so can fill in for missing models, merchants and so forth.
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we had a game last night (scenario 2, but using the advanced rules). Actually we had two games, both fun; first one the merchant escaped, second one she was boarded by two brigs but survived due to good rolling, and due to the fact that one had been badly damaged by the merchant colliding with it.
Anyway, we tried the revised critical hits (rolling for crits per damage caused), and I felt a 10% chance per damage was too low; we got too few criticals. So I’d either use a d6 and say 6s are crits, or uses d10s and says 9s and 10s are crits.
Question about the scenario. Do the privateers only get their 2 bonus dice when they initiate boarding, or all the time? The privateers boarded the merchant, won the boarding action thanks to getting a ‘1’ on one of their hits, but took so much damage themselves in the process (both sides got 3 hits, so the brig lost 6 damage, while the merhcant lost 8 due to the critical) that they struck, which is a bit odd….
The merchant then boarded and reclaimed the loot from the struck privateer.
We gave them the bonus all the time (and the +2 to hit), but the merchant kept rolling 4 or less so was getting hits even with its green crew, and the brigs just can’t afford the damage.
(https://i.imgur.com/vQ4ByFW.jpg)
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This release came out of nowhere for me.
It is the one era I really like but have never done because the ships available were all too small. 1/700 is, for me, the ideal scale because I want lots of detail in the models.
I don't think I would do a lot of ships, but I'm going to go all in and buy Meridian sails and ratlines as well. From what I have seen the models themselves look fantastic.
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The models come with sails (which are nice) and ratlines (not so much, but they are ok). The starter set even comes with thread for standing rigging. It's a fun set of rules, plays fast, and is accessible to landlubbers. If I want more realism I'll use Post Captain but really that's strictly one person, one ship; too complicated to do more.
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Check this out:
(https://sailsofglory.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=46139&d=1570719041)
Warlord game frigate hull with Meridan masts, sails, ratlines, and small fixtures. The sailors are by Eduard miniatures.
You can find it: HERE (https://sailsofglory.org/showthread.php?5608-My-first-Warlord-ship-Spnaish-frigate)
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Yeah, talk about taking it to another level.... that guy is brilliant. The patience to add crew... amazing!
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New pre-order:
- US Navy Fleet
- Spanish Navy Fleet
- Santisima Trinidad
- HMS Royal Sovereign
- Scenery Pack
https://mailchi.mp/warlordgames/warlord-games-new-pre-orders-for-black-seas-and-warlords-of-erehwon
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Good to know! The scenery is tempting as a basis for a bit more.
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Check this out:
(https://sailsofglory.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=46139&d=1570719041)
Warlord game frigate hull with Meridan masts, sails, ratlines, and small fixtures. The sailors are by Eduard miniatures.
You can find it: HERE (https://sailsofglory.org/showthread.php?5608-My-first-Warlord-ship-Spnaish-frigate)
Yeah Julian is a brilliant model maker. For a ship modeler the masts on the Black Seas ships are left wanting. So he went and scratch built masts using wire on one of his models. If I could afford it I would just buy models from him!
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Terrific job! Wish I have the money to buy his models!
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Yeah Julian is a brilliant model maker. For a ship modeler the masts on the Black Seas ships are left wanting. So he went and scratch built masts using wire on one of his models. If I could afford it I would just buy models from him!
That frigate sold for 225 euros. :o
Here is his website where he sells his ships: http://modeljship.com/en/
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That frigate sold for 225 euros. :o
Here is his website where he sells his ships: http://modeljship.com/en/
I have seen it. I play Sails of Glory and he frequently posts his work on that forum using the 1/1000 Ares models.