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A while back the Prof suggested a Foundry triad he'd used for something I inquired about so I recently took the plunge and bought my first triad. After extensive mixing, I applied the first color and it dried with a shiny sheen. Not off to a great start selling me on the Foundry system.
Anyone else had this issue? Or know what could be wrong with the paint?
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I use a lot of foundry triads. Some are more matt than others but I never really thought they were too glossy. That said, I always finish the figures with a matt varnish. My favorite spray can lately is Windsor and Newton Professional (used to be Testors Dull cote but had a few bad cans of that and moved on). I also mix up W&N Galeria with Tamiya flat base when painting on a matt finish.
What triad are you using?
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The Rawhide triad. Trying to acheive a dark desert base color I like.
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A while back the Prof suggested a Foundry triad ... After extensive mixing, I applied the first color and it dried with a shiny sheen. Not off to a great start selling me on the Foundry system.
Anyone else had this issue? Or know what could be wrong with the paint?
This is not specific to Foundry paints. The solution is simple: add a very small amount of talc via your palette. For more details see - https://blog.vexillia.me.uk/2014/05/painting-tips-5c-matting-acrylics-with.html
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Or add a drop of Tamiya Flat Base
But in answer to the original question, the Foundry paints have changed over the years and are nowhere near as good as they used to be.
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To be honest, they have varied in quality massively over the years.
They are *very* hit and miss.
The original sets had good quality binders and pigments, so much so that I bought all their sets over the years.
Then came their WWII set. My habit is to open all the pots and shake them like crazy when I get a paint set. That was my *big* mistake!! About five years ago (when Partizan was in the tent outside Kelham) took the set to Partizan where Wargames Foundry had a stall. They point blank refused to admit that there was anything wrong with the WWII sets and woulk not even entertain the idea of giving me my money back. OK, I had opened the paint 'tins' but they simply were not fit for purpose, which is legal grounds for returning said product.
The Foundry WWII set is easily ***the worst*** paint set I have even shelled out for. The pigments are all extremely weak and you need to apply them three or four times to get any semblance of an even coat. For a company selling paints specifically for painting miniatures this is outrageous given the cost of the set.
They obviously don't give a hoot about their customers and are only interested in making a profit.
If I personally sold such bad quality paints to customers I would feel like I was scamming them.
Rant over.
My advice. Don't buy them.
EDIT: I should add, on the ye olde Steve Dean Forum, I wasn't the only painter that had major issues with their paints, the WWII set in particular.
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To be honest, they have varied in quality massively over the years.
They are *very* hit and miss.
The original sets had good quality binders and pigments, so much so that I bought all their sets over the years.
The Foundry WWII set is easily ***the worst*** paint set I have even shelled out for. The pigments are all extremely weak and you need to apply them three or four times to get any semblance of an even coat. For a company selling paints specifically for painting miniatures this is outrageous given the cost of the set.
They obviously don't give a hoot about their customers and are only interested in making a profit.
If I personally sold such bad quality paints to customers I would feel like I was scamming them.
Rant over.
My advice. Don't buy them.
EDIT: I should add, on the ye olde Steve Dean Forum, I wasn't the only painter that had major issues with their paints, the WWII set in particular.
I bought over £500 worth (yes, seriously) of the 'system' last autumn ... and more than a few (edit) seem to be as described above.
there just doesn't seem to be enough pigment - you open them up, and there's nothing to stir, which in one sense is good for use straight out of the pot, but while some cover reasonably, many are as per Atheling's post, and don't ...
The reason why I didn't try and return them etc, is another story.
I guess they're useable if you work with them, and the triad organisation is nice ... but I can only assume that quality has taken a nose dive from the time their reputation was established , and perhaps is not the least reason why Kevin Dallimore is no longer with them. Dunno.
* - I should add that of those I've tried the finish did vary from dead matt to a high sheen.
I've tried many paint ranges now, and the only ones I find of a consistently high quality are Citadel and Scale75.
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and perhaps is not the least reason why Kevin Dallimore is no longer with them. Dunno.
I would say that is almost a certainty.
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Or add a drop of Tamiya Flat Base
But in answer to the original question, the Foundry paints have changed over the years and are nowhere near as good as they used to be.
Given the above criticisms, I should note my foundry paints are several years old which would seem to make my experience out of date. I bought most of them when Dallimore's painting book was published. I would second the suggestion of adding talc or flat base to the pots as worth trying to salvage what you have.
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Given the above criticisms, I should note my foundry paints are several years old which would seem to make my experience out of date. I bought most of them when Dallimore's painting book was published. I would second the suggestion of adding talc or flat base to the pots as worth trying to salvage what you have.
Or don't bother with any tomfoolery and just buy better quality paints!
My top recommendations would be Vallejo, Army Painter or top of the list for me; Andrea.
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I guess I got lucky. I bought a hundred or so Foundry paints some 7-8 years ago, and haven't used up a single one yet. I do supplement some colors (black, brown...) with craft paint, but all my Foundry pots cover nicely and give good results.
If Foundry paints have declined in quality, I guess I got in under the bell.
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I guess I got lucky. I bought a hundred or so Foundry paints some 7-8 years ago, and haven't used up a single one yet. I do supplement some colors (black, brown...) with craft paint, but all my Foundry pots cover nicely and give good results.
If Foundry paints have declined in quality, I guess I got in under the bell.
Did you buy any of the WWII set? I feel like they were released about seven or eight years ago, though I could be wrong(?). If so I'd love to hear about how well they cover. I bought them when they first came out. BTW, this isn't about being lucky, it's about a company knowingly selling a sub standard product. They refused to give me my money back, which is at least morally wrong, right?
Most of my paint is Vallejo and Andrea. Andrea being the best paint by a good margin IMHO. I never use craft paints on models., only terrain and then it get's a gloss then matt varnish spray.
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I've not bought any of their paints lately, but the ones I have from a few years ago are fine (including a couple of WW2 colours). The thing I find is that the little plastic lids eventually split or break and the paint dries out. I have the same issues with other brands which use the same sort of plastic lids. I tend to use 'soft texture' artists colours where possible as they have very good light fast pigments, don't dry out, and also work out cheaper as them come in bigger jars. Vallejo, dropper bottles are also pretty good so long as your store them upside down; if you store them the right way up you have to spend ages shaking them before each use.
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Also a buyer from the first batch :D, no problems so far but bought some triads last saturday at Crisis. I also bought some WW2 colours when theycame out; some are good, some not so.
The thing I find is that the little plastic lids eventually split or break and the paint dries out. I have the same issues with other brands which use the same sort of plastic lids.
There are replacement lids (I also needed them).
https://www.warcolours.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=155
https://www.blackhat.co.uk/product/paint-pot-lid/
DJ
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I guess I got lucky. I bought a hundred or so Foundry paints some 7-8 years ago, and haven't used up a single one yet. I do supplement some colors (black, brown...) with craft paint, but all my Foundry pots cover nicely and give good results.
If Foundry paints have declined in quality, I guess I got in under the bell.
Me too. Not had a single problem.
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Did you buy any of the WWII set? I feel like they were released about seven or eight years ago, though I could be wrong(?). If so I'd love to hear about how well they cover. I bought them when they first came out. BTW, this isn't about being lucky, it's about a company knowingly selling a sub standard product. They refused to give me my money back, which is at least morally wrong, right?
No, none of this WWII set. I do fantasy-medieval figures, so WWII paints are right out. <g>
As far as the "knowingly selling a sub-standard product", I do feel your pain, but I also understand a company who may be hesitant to respond to accusations, depending on how it's worded.
I wrote to Foundry recently, seeking their permission to use some of their figures in photography accompanying a Pathfinder Second Edition (Compatibility lecensed) adventure I published on Drivethru RPG (https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/294371/Pirates-and-Plunder-Episode-2-Secrets-of-the-Brotherhood-PF2). Foundry didn't respond, neither did Warhammer/Citadel. All the other manufacturers were very supportive. I suspect that some manufacturers just don't have the time or energy to deal with random emails from customers. Sad, but somewhat understandable.
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No, none of this WWII set. I do fantasy-medieval figures, so WWII paints are right out. <g>
As far as the "knowingly selling a sub-standard product", I do feel your pain, but I also understand a company who may be hesitant to respond to accusations, depending on how it's worded.
To be very honest, a lot of very good painters on the Steve Dean Forum gave Wargames Foundry plenty of time and scope to fire back an honest answer. They did nothing as far as I'm aware. IIR, one or two WWII sets were replaced but most folk were simply ignored.
I wrote to Foundry recently, seeking their permission to use some of their figures in photography accompanying a Pathfinder Second Edition (Compatibility lecensed) adventure I published on Drivethru RPG (https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/294371/Pirates-and-Plunder-Episode-2-Secrets-of-the-Brotherhood-PF2). Foundry didn't respond, neither did Warhammer/Citadel. All the other manufacturers were very supportive. I suspect that some manufacturers just don't have the time or energy to deal with random emails from customers. Sad, but somewhat understandable.
They have steadily got worse over time at answering e-mails. I realise that if you're running a business you have to deal with keeping your business running but to ignore the negative feadback from customers will eventually be to their detriment.
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There are replacement lids (I also needed them).
https://www.warcolours.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=155
https://www.blackhat.co.uk/product/paint-pot-lid/
DJ
Hey, thanks for this! I buy these plastic pots in bulk to decant my Vallejo's into (can't get on with dropper bottles) but I now have a lot of pots and not so many lids, because I keep needing to replace the lids! Perfect, ta.
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not quite sure I understand this fantasy / wwII difference.
as mentioned above I bought both large 'sets' they offer, and quite a number of individual paints from the full list (iirc they're not separated into genres / periods in said list).
the patchiness (both figuratively and literally - gah!) doesn't discriminate as far as I could tell from the pots I tried.
thinking back, one thing which also struck me was that the 'finish' of paints could vary within triads - with one being matt, another high-sheen etc ! Looked rubbish on the figure, and I'm not sure that matt varnishing would have produced a consistent look.
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not quite sure I understand this fantasy / wwII difference.
as mentioned above I bought both large 'sets' they offer, and quite a number of individual paints from the full list (iirc they're not separated into genres / periods in said list).
the patchiness (both figuratively and literally - gah!) doesn't discriminate as far as I could tell from the pots I tried.
thinking back, one thing which also struck me was that the 'finish' of paints could vary within triads - with one being matt, another high-sheen etc ! Looked rubbish on the figure, and I'm not sure that matt varnishing would have produced a consistent look.
All of the above.
I used Foundry Triads since they burst onto the miniature painting 'scene'. To start with there were few problems. Some satin, some matt within the same triad sequence, that sort of thing, but nothing that a good coat of glass and a good coat of matt varnish couldn't fix.
Over time the quality worsened until it got to the point where the WWII colours were concerned. Honestly, at least half of the whole set was completely unusable! Please appreciate how much they cost(!) which goes a long way to explain my outrage.
If I sold you a dog with two legs listed as having four would you not be annoyed? Perhaps even consider trying to get your money back?
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Picked up a couple of pots from the fantasy range at their shop, seemed good and I had a discount voucher so put in a large order online. Out of 100 or so pots about 25% were fine, 25% useable but very thin compared to GW, Scale 75 etc. The remaining 50% were basically unusable, really lacking in pigment and prone to separate really fast.
That was around 2 years ago, I wouldn't entirely discount them if you can get them cheap but I wont buy any more.
Some people may even get on with the thinness but there are much better ranges out there IMO. Of course sometimes supply issues mean bad batches sneak through, and to their credit foundry did replace the worst of them (eventually)
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pretty much my experience EskeiraSees - although I didn't have the heart to try and get any joy from their 'customer service'.
my order was from a year ago - and paints 'fresh in' (I had to wait for some to be posted subsequently as a result - part of the reason I didn't try and return them, it being well after a month before I actually got 'round to trying any out ... ).
So don't know about the 'bad batch' bit ...
were the replacement paints better?
Certainly be interesting to learn that they can supply all the paints with adequate pigmentation etc ... but if this is the case, why the heck aren't they doing so all the time - with such lapses over what is clearly quite an extended time-frame ... ?
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Thanks for all the insights gents. This has been a very interesting thread and since I only own 1 triad, I doubt I;ll spend money on anymore knowing what I know. I generally use GW and Vallejo, and will probably delve more into Army Painter.
Or don't bother with any tomfoolery and just buy better quality paints!
Yes. That.
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@ Bloggard - Some seemed a little better but I was still not happy with most of them, it took a fair effort to get the replacements so I gave up at that point.
I still have a few on my paint desk but I mostly use them mixed with other brands, in some cases a few drops of ink, thick art acrylic or matt medium saved a particularly bad bottle (or at least proved an interesting experiment).
Worth mentioning again that some were completely fine, I also have some purchased maybe 5 years ago that are still going strong so it seems like a recent issue.
I think I have learnt when it comes to paint the best practice is to mix and match the best of different manufacturers.
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Hey, thanks for this! I buy these plastic pots in bulk to decant my Vallejo's into (can't get on with dropper bottles) but I now have a lot of pots and not so many lids, because I keep needing to replace the lids! Perfect, ta.
To date my only issue was the paint lids as well. I ordered a bulk shipment from a manufacturer in the UK. Depending on how many paint pots you may have....
https://www.theplasticbottlescompany.com/shop/product/cap-20mm-tamper-evident-flip-top-white/
I stick by my suggest to experiment with Tamiya Flat base if you want to salvage paint you already have. It's a useful tool to have on your paint table assuming it's as easy to come by in the UK as it is in the US.
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So, it's not just me noticing this.
I bought the first set (Pots 1-36) at least 10 years ago. They were fine and worked well.
The new ones just don't cover as they used to and are sometimes shiny.
It's a real shame, I guess time to look for an alternative system.
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@ Bloggard - Some seemed a little better but I was still not happy with most of them, it took a fair effort to get the replacements so I gave up at that point.
thanks. Hard to avoid the impression that they've changed supplier to someone in the cheapskate dept. and are happy to pass on the results to their customers. Not good.
btw - Army Painter were mentioned above - a word of caution in that there are a number of (conflicting) reports about those too (on this board as well as elsewhere). LukesApps (or whatever - on youtube) has posted lengthy videos about getting the 'most' out of them, which seems to involve a lot of arseache tbh.
I bought 10 or so a few weeks back and found them very mixed (if you'll excuse the pun).
I have all sorts of issues with GW myself, but the Citadel range of paints remains v. high quality in comparison. Scale 75 excellent too - and live up to their billing of being a genuine flat matt (although not their 'fantasy' range btw).
* however - must give this tamiya flat / talcum business a go with the Foundrys at some point - although I'm not sure how they can make up for the pigment not being there in the first place (if that's the issue).
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True, if there is not enough pigment the matt additive won't help. I will have to experiment with the Andrea and scale 75 as I buy new paints.
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I think foundry stopped selling the ww2 range? I have the complete range and some are good, some not so, I do find even after shaking and stirring them some really aren’t so good, French artillery green for instance is awful, never had a problem with rawhide though, as for shiny finish, I Matt down everything so it’s never a problem
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I always store my paints upside down; much less shaking required that way :-)
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Most of my paints are Foundry now. I have not had any particular issue with paint consistency and coverage, I have just found their triad shades variable with sometimes say the A & B colours appearing to be the same and the C colour markedly different from the A & B. I wondered if it was just a labelling issue as the labels come off easily?
I appreciate any decent painter mixes their highlights as they go but for someone like me who just paints to a wargames standard, the Foundry triads are very convenient. Do any other paint suppliers do triads like Foundry do?
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Most of my paints are Foundry now. I have not had any particular issue with paint consistency and coverage, I have just found their triad shades variable with sometimes say the A & B colours appearing to be the same and the C colour markedly different from the A & B. I wondered if it was just a labelling issue as the labels come off easily?
I appreciate any decent painter mixes their highlights as they go but for someone like me who just paints to a wargames standard, the Foundry triads are very convenient. Do any other paint suppliers do triads like Foundry do?
Coat D'Arms do: link. (https://www.blackhat.co.uk/product-category/coat-darms-paints/coat-darms-paints-triads/)
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Do any other paint suppliers do triads like Foundry do?
Reaper: https://www.reapermini.com/paints/master-series-paints-triads
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Reaper: https://www.reapermini.com/paints/master-series-paints-triads
Do Reaper have a UK or EU outlet?
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Do Reaper have a UK or EU outlet?
https://www.miniature-heroes.co.uk/product-category/reaper-paints/reaper-acrylic-paints/paint-sets/
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https://www.miniature-heroes.co.uk/product-category/reaper-paints/reaper-acrylic-paints/paint-sets/
Thanks. :)
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... I have just found their triad shades variable with sometimes say the A & B colours appearing to be the same and the C colour markedly different from the A & B. I wondered if it was just a labelling issue as the labels come off easily?
yes - that is another issue with the foundry triads that I too noticed -
I tried Reaper triads a few weeks back as well, including the 'HD' (or bones) variant (supposedly more pigment etc), and I was underwhelmed tbh. But many use them (in the States) I appreciate.
Yes, the miniature-heroes guy stocks them.
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Do Reaper have a UK or EU outlet?
Reaper have a UK presence now.
Go to https://www.reapermini.com/paints and select the GBP option from the currency list in the top left.
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Reaper have a UK presence now.
Go to https://www.reapermini.com/paints and select the GBP option from the currency list in the top left.
Thanks :)
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the Foundry paints have changed over the years and are nowhere near as good as they used to be.
They're shite now, I bought a few dozen last year to finish an army, absolutely dreadful, no pigment no 'flow' to them just coloured piss water really.
Then came their WWII set.
I too bought the range on release, I got my money back.
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They're shite now, I bought a few dozen last year to finish an army, absolutely dreadful, no pigment no 'flow' to them just coloured piss water really.
Well put.
I too bought the range on release, I got my money back.
They refused top give me my money back despite Foundry having a stall at Partizan, citing that I had opened them so it was not going to happen. This sounds reasonable on their part until you realise that their product was not fit for purpose, therefore being a substandard product I was entitled to get my money back. :-X
Also, how do you find out if the paints are fit for purpose without opening the pots???? >:( >:( >:(
You know, I'm going to send them an official again complaint anyway.
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even when they first came out and Kev dallimore was using them a lot I don’t think they were ever as good as say GW, vallegio or even Andrea
That's the very point some of us are trying to get across; the paints used to be good and the company used the good name of their paints to sell inferior (actually completely crap!) paints later on.
I would go so far as to say that it's morally wrong IMHO.
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well, to tie up a few of the, er..., threads in this thread from my pov ...
wish I'd bloomin' tried the cote d'arms triads now (I'd forgotten about them but ... ) more limited range, but probably decently useable.
I'm certainly v. disappointed with Foundry over this - they've clearly had enough feedback over quite some period of time to know there's a problem but:
a) still describe their paints as having unusually high pigment content and coverage.
Whether one finds them useable or not - this clearly isn't the case.
b) give the impression that Dallimore uses / endorses the paints (they're still claiming to be bringing out a revised version of his 'how to' book).
It was seeing his results for Northstar on this forum that really sold me on investing in their system - although I fully accept that his (apparently) using AP products now is 'out there' if one looks hard enough.
I remember now I looked at cote d'arms - but as reviews suggested they were ok, but not the best, I went with Foundry.
in the interests of balance, the 'coloured piss' comment above is certainly true for more than a few of the Foundry range going by what I've tried, but not all of them (although they're all, as far as I can tell, unsually 'thin' in consistency compared to most of the competition).
ultimately I'm left with a load of paints that, ironically, this thread has led me to conclude can't, with a clear conscience, be sold on.
And I've only myself to blame for being such a wuss last year and not tackling them about it (but I'd had enough bother getting the paints in the first place, the poor customer servce thread/s were doing the rounds at the time and I'm no tough guy when it comes to arguing the toss).
My phone calls to them hadn't given me much confidence in being treated respectfully / professionally - although 'Lucy' was good, helpful and pleasant. The blokes not so much. I don't think any of my emails were answered).
I suppose I was hoping I'd wake up one day, find out it was 'me', and the paints would all perform as hoped / expected.
This thread gives the lie to that daydream ...
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I suppose I was hoping I'd wake up one day, find out it was 'me', and the paints would all perform as hoped / expected.
This thread gives the lie to that daydream ...
They can be made to work if you have an extensive range of your own paint, pigments, additives etc.
In your case I'd start again and build up slowly, not the answer you'd want to hear I know :'(
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well, to tie up a few of the, er..., threads in this thread from my pov ...
wish I'd bloomin' tried the cote d'arms triads now (I'd forgotten about them but ... ) more limited range, but probably decently useable.
I'm certainly v. disappointed with Foundry over this - they've clearly had enough feedback over quite some period of time to know there's a problem but:
a) still describe their paints as having unusually high pigment content and coverage.
Whether one finds them useable or not - this clearly isn't the case.
b) give the impression that Dallimore uses / endorses the paints (they're still claiming to be bringing out a revised version of his 'how to' book).
It was seeing his results for Northstar on this forum that really sold me on investing in their system - although I fully accept that his (apparently) using AP products now is 'out there' if one looks hard enough.
I remember now I looked at cote d'arms - but as reviews suggested they were ok, but not the best, I went with Foundry.
in the interests of balance, the 'coloured piss' comment above is certainly true for more than a few of the Foundry range going by what I've tried, but not all of them (although they're all, as far as I can tell, unsually 'thin' in consistency compared to most of the competition).
ultimately I'm left with a load of paints that, ironically, this thread has led me to conclude can't, with a clear conscience, be sold on.
And I've only myself to blame for being such a wuss last year and not tackling them about it (but I'd had enough bother getting the paints in the first place, the poor customer servce thread/s were doing the rounds at the time and I'm no tough guy when it comes to arguing the toss).
My phone calls to them hadn't given me much confidence in being treated respectfully / professionally - although 'Lucy' was good, helpful and pleasant. The blokes not so much. I don't think any of my emails were answered).
I suppose I was hoping I'd wake up one day, find out it was 'me', and the paints would all perform as hoped / expected.
This thread gives the lie to that daydream ...
Well, to put it bluntly, when I tried to return my paints in person; paints which were "not fit for purpose" and Foundry refused to refund me, they were breaking UK law. I don't know how much more explicit i can be on the subject.
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They can be made to work if you have an extensive range of your own paint, pigments, additives etc.
In your case I'd start again and build up slowly, not the answer you'd want to hear I know :'(
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thanks - I've many other paints - too many tbh. In some respects my disatisfaction with Foundry has led me to other areas which I might not otherwise have looked at closely ... so maybe it's even for the best, but a flipping expensive way to get there!
I've seen Dallimore's NS how to s - where I became aware he was using AP products (confirmed by Nick on this board).
I have to say - given my experience of 10 -20 bottles I bought a few months back, I'm surprised. They seemed pretty variable too ... And threads here and elsewhere have been grist to the mill in terms of that opinion.
* I should add that I'm intrigued to see that the cote d'arms paint triads were developed in consultation with Steve Dean (I hope I'm right in saying that - so it says on the Black Hat 'site) ... does he still use them I wonder - and if not why?
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* I should add that I'm intrigued to see that the cote d'arms paint triads were developed in consultation with Steve Dean (I hope I'm right in saying that - so it says on the Black Hat 'site) ... does he still use them I wonder - and if not why?
I didn't develop the Cote d'Arms triads from scratch, I just tried to put their existing range into triad groups where I could :-)
It sounds like I've been lucky with my recent Foundry paints, had no problems, but I don't use too many of them nowadays. I currently use Foundry, Cote d'Arms, Reaper, Vallejo, GW, Andrea, Scale 75, Humbrol and Plaka - I think that's it. :-) I've had good and bad experiences with all of them :-)
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Coat D'Arms do: link. (https://www.blackhat.co.uk/product-category/coat-darms-paints/coat-darms-paints-triads/)
Thanks lol
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I didn't develop the Cote d'Arms triads from scratch, I just tried to put their existing range into triad groups where I could :-)
It sounds like I've been lucky with my recent Foundry paints, had no problems, but I don't use too many of them nowadays. I currently use Foundry, Cote d'Arms, Reaper, Vallejo, GW, Andrea, Scale 75, Humbrol and Plaka - I think that's it. :-) I've had good and bad experiences with all of them :-)
Steve,
Wasn't there a Vallejo 'triad' chart on the old forum too(?), or am I having a senior moment? o_o lol
It would be extremely useful if so(?)
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Steve,
Wasn't there a Vallejo 'triad' chart on the old forum too(?), or am I having a senior moment? o_o lol
It would be extremely useful if so(?)
I think there was, but it's gone now :-(
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I didn't develop the Cote d'Arms triads from scratch, I just tried to put their existing range into triad groups where I could :-)
It sounds like I've been lucky with my recent Foundry paints, had no problems, but I don't use too many of them nowadays. I currently use Foundry, Cote d'Arms, Reaper, Vallejo, GW, Andrea, Scale 75, Humbrol and Plaka - I think that's it. :-) I've had good and bad experiences with all of them :-)
thanks for the clarification Deano - I did put 'in consultation with', as I thought they might be over-stressing it tbh.
I guess your list says it all really (although Plaka ... aren't they the ones that really pong ... :D ) ... no real one size fits all ...
although based on my experience I would still say that Citadel are made to a very high and consistent standard. And Scale 75 seem to make the only truly matt range (I have the full range - yes, I said I had a lot of paints, **d help me - and of those I've tried, they were all consistenly matt and of similar, good, coverage).
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I think there was, but it's gone now :-(
Damn..... I guess I'm going to have to try to work one out....
If I do get around to it I'll post it up.
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Loki's Great Hall has a lot of Vallejo triads
http://napoleonicwargamingadventures.blogspot.com/p/vallejo-triad-charts.html
I have started using his horse video "triads" and they work really well.
@ Bloggard - you are using Scale 75 paints, how do you find them? I have a few and find that the first colour applied tends to absorb everything else applied over it unless mixed with a different paint brand. Extremely matt finish though.
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I must admit, Mindenbrush, that I haven't got to the stage of layering up - just tested a number of bottles as base layers, which, as you say, were admirably matt.
didn't occur to me there might be some problem with layering up from that - which just goes to show how careful you've got to be with recommendations ... ???
that sounds like a very peculiar issue, which it's hard to imagine in the mind's eye. While the scale75s didn't cover quite as well as Citadel, they still seemed pretty good (certainly in comparison with AP and Reaper for example), so I'm really surprised that they seem to lack opacity when used for layering.
Do you prime black or white - I alway use the latter which might help avoid it?
In all honesty the Foundry debacle has led me to continue experimenting - and have ended up with the Citadel Contrast system.
Some years back I was trying to work with inks as I like their brilliance and speed of application, together with a kind of inbuilt degree of self-shading - but was having to mix my own to get colour variations which proved too unreliable and time-consuming.
The Contrast paints range, together with subsequent washes to taste, has speeded things up for me hugely, with results I'm generally content with ...
** and what a lot of great work from Loki's Hall on the Vallejo triads, and how wonderful of him to share the results like that.
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I have a few and ....
Tried their metallics? Lovely range, smooth as normal paint.
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There are replacement lids (I also needed them).
https://www.warcolours.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=155
https://www.blackhat.co.uk/product/paint-pot-lid/
DJ
You know what, I checked out those links and the price was about the same as the empty pots & lids from eBay! I think I'll just keep on buying those and end up with too many pots, but thanks anyway, much appreciated.
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You know what, I checked out those links and the price was about the same as the empty pots & lids from eBay! I think I'll just keep on buying those and end up with too many pots, but thanks anyway, much appreciated.
I bought new lids for my foundry paints from here:
https://www.theplasticbottlescompany.com/shop/product/cap-20mm-tamper-evident-flip-top-white/
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Damn..... I guess I'm going to have to try to work one out....
If I do get around to it I'll post it up.
This kind of thing would be really good.
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I bought new lids for my foundry paints from here:
https://www.theplasticbottlescompany.com/shop/product/cap-20mm-tamper-evident-flip-top-white/
BOOM!! That's the very badger, you get a cookie for that, but I'll have to wait until I need shed loads, because otherwise the shipping will be more than the lids themselves!
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This kind of thing would be really good.
see Mindenbrush's post above yours - links to a guy's blog who's produced v. comprehensive vallejo triad samples / lists. Can't vouch for them as such, but they look great work superficially.
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Bloggard - I use black undercoat. The layering issue with Scale 75 might be the same challenge I find with reds so leaving the base coat to really dry might be the answer for me.
Redzed - I have some of the Scale 75 metallics ................. and will be buying more when my GW Boltgun Mtal finally runs out.
With the "difficult" Foundry colours I find that a lot of shaking does help and provide better coverage - I have always had problems with the 45 Deep Brown Leather triad but longer shaking has improved it.
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interesting on the shaking front, but by gum, I don't think I could have done much more, either by hand, or using one of those motorised jobbies, than with those of mine I tried ...
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BOOM!! That's the very badger, you get a cookie for that, but I'll have to wait until I need shed loads, because otherwise the shipping will be more than the lids themselves!
Shipping for me was a touch painful but I had too many split pot lids not to do something. For some reason I seem to be hard on them.
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This kind of thing would be really good.
I'll have to sort out all the rest of my paints but it's something that I will get 'round to doing.
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I have pondered buying some Foundry triads and asked a couple of high level painters at my club for their opinion. One said a flat no, the other pointed to a bin and suggested l put my money straight into it and cut out the middleman!
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says it all.
goodness only knows why Foundry have let things get to this state of affairs.