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Miniatures Adventure => Pikes, Muskets and Flouncy Shirts => Topic started by: NickNascati on November 12, 2019, 02:24:36 AM
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All,
While reading up on Border Reivers, I happened upon this BBC tv series from 1968 - 70. I watched the first episode, and I think I will stick with it. Shot on location, so it does look good in that regard. The Scots look fairly correct, the English not so much.
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Not the best Beeb costume drama, but certainly entertaining enough.
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Some episodes strangely stuck in my mind own through the years - the Sea Coal Man - for example. But one thing at the time I did not pay attention to but about which I am now curious is if the Kerr's were represented as left handed!
Fond memories but I don't think it made the best out of the beauty of the debateable lands and no doubt today I would be more critical. A bit light on blood, gore and violence if my memory serves me correctly.
For me the best inspiration all media taken together on the subject is GMF's "the Steel Bonnets"... but then I am an unconditional fan of GMF.
Strangely enough as well - and well removed from this subject - one of Tom Sharpe's novels - although full of typical Sharpe scatological humour - also captured something of the ethos of place and time. I think it is the "Throwback" that talks of the border clans and families ...
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I've got this weird feeling that I've seen it before lol
We shall find out as I've got the first episode bookmarked on YouTube! ;D I actually have :)
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Gungadin,
Yes, GMF's book is certainly the best reading on the topic out there. I did find though a series by a writer named David Pilling that seemed to be well researched for historical novels. I came across The Borderers when I was looking to see if there were any films on the subject.
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Thanks - that sounds interesting - I must look for him.
Kind regards
C
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Thanks - that sounds interesting - I must look for him.
Oh yes, Steel Bonnets is must-reading! Hmm, I'm not seeing Pillings books on either ABE or BookDepository.
For a different period, but best of the Beeb for costume drama, also look up By The Sword Divided on YouTube.
(Careful though, then you'll want to game ECW too...)
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I remember watching By the sword divided in my youth.
I enjoyed it at the time, but worry it may not have aged well.
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Thanks! I'll look for it. :)
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I remember watching By the sword divided in my youth.
I enjoyed it at the time, but worry it may not have aged well.
I watched it last year, it's held up pretty well. The second season isn't as good as the first, but still entertaining.
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I've just watched the first episode myself, rather good for it's age.
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Thanks for the lead to The Borderers tv series. I see that there are some episodes on YouTube and will watch. It was The Steel Bonnets that inspired me to read more about the period (albeit so far it is the best book on the topic I have found) and to collect miniatures useable for it.
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I remember watching By the sword divided in my youth.
I enjoyed it at the time, but worry it may not have aged well.
It’s actually still pretty good :)
Will have to give the Borderers a go :)
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Sadly there don't seem to be many of the episodes actually available.
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Inspired by this thread, I just watched the first episode on YouTube. Quite alright, I thought, and nice to see a very young Michael Gambon - especially as I'm more familiar with him playing roles as an old man.
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Interesting to see the comments on "By The Sword Divided". I can be spotted (uniquely, I believe) fighting on both sides in the siege scenes if you actually freeze the action at the right points.
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Funny, but I was growing up in Newcastle at the time The Borderers must have been first aired, and I've never heard of it. I'll have to look it up.
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Big Martin Back: "Interesting to see the comments on "By The Sword Divided". I can be spotted (uniquely, I believe) fighting on both sides in the siege scenes if you actually freeze the action at the right points."
I have always heard the old story of families sending sons off to fight on both sides of a civil war so either way, the family has some protection. You seem to have taken that concept to a new height!
Never heard of this show - I'll have to look into it. Thanks for mentioning it.
-Michael
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Can anybody recommend a 28mm range for Border Reivers? My interest has been piqued!
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Reiver Castings are quite nice, on sale here https://www.paintinghistory.co.uk/border-reiver
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Reiver Castings are quite nice, on sale here https://www.paintinghistory.co.uk/border-reiver
Great, thanks.
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Can anybody recommend a 28mm range for Border Reivers? My interest has been piqued!
Thistle & rose have the old Vendel line, but are being sold by email only
Timeline do the old Monolith Reviers (big and chunky, but characterful)
TAG have a few sets in their Tudor range
D'Arlo (selling through Colonel Bills) do some
Reiver miniatures did some (small and thin compared to the others)
Wargames Foundry Swashbucklers are also handy.
Foundry, Vendel & D'Arlo should all mix well. Monolith are bigger, but I've seen a fair few folks mix with Foundry (might need to cut Monolith figures off their puddle bases). TAG are a little shorter, but should mix ok if using thin booster bases. Or just as slightly shorter folks
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Thistle & rose have the old Vendel line, but are being sold by email only
Timeline do the old Monolith Reviers (big and chunky, but characterful)
TAG have a few sets in their Tudor range
D'Arlo (selling through Colonel Bills) do some
Reiver miniatures did some (small and thin compared to the others)
Wargames Foundry Swashbucklers are also handy.
Foundry, Vendel & D'Arlo should all mix well. Monolith are bigger, but I've seen a fair few folks mix with Foundry (might need to cut Monolith figures off their puddle bases). TAG are a little shorter, but should mix ok if using thin booster bases. Or just as slightly shorter folks
Very useful, thanks. Not heard the phrase 'puddle bases' before but it's very apt!
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I stole it from someone else lol - I'll try to sort you out a size comparison photo later...
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Reiver Castings are quite nice, on sale here https://www.paintinghistory.co.uk/border-reiver
Ahh, that's where the old Outpost range went. I may want to get more of those. Got a batch ages ago and they are great.
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Can anybody recommend a 28mm range for Border Reivers? My interest has been piqued!
If you are interested in slightly bigger figures, Perry has a range o 40mm Reivers:
https://www.perry-miniatures.com/index.php?cPath=23_42_44&osCsid=54klfu7vdan5vv7r3j2ssmu9m0
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If you are interested in slightly bigger figures, Perry has a range o 40mm Reivers:
https://www.perry-miniatures.com/index.php?cPath=23_42_44&osCsid=54klfu7vdan5vv7r3j2ssmu9m0
They're very nice actually, thanks.
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They're very nice actually, thanks.
One of the oft overlooked yet beautifully sculpted Perry ranges IMHO.
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tuco,
I'm using the ex-Vendel range from Thistle and Rose. Nice, slightly old school figures.
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You could consider adding in a few of the Eureka Portuguese conquistadors too, especially their sword and buckler set and the officer. Full of character, and the somewhat ragged appearance of some of them could do well for Broken Men or less prosperous tennants. Also potentially useful are some of their Spanish conquistador cavalry (but avoid the barded horses). Eureka's figures mix well size-wise with Wargames Foundry Swashbucklers.
https://eurekaminusa.com/collections/conquistadores-28mm-portuguese/products/100por08
https://eurekaminusa.com/collections/conquistadores-28mm-portuguese/products/100por03
https://eurekaminusa.com/collections/conquistadores-28mm-spanish