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Miniatures Adventure => Medieval Adventures => Topic started by: vexillia on December 05, 2019, 09:24:40 AM
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Can you help? I am looking for some painting inspiration for basic shield patterns. If I have a preference it would be for post 1250.
PS I already have both the main Ospreys.
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Can you help? I am looking for some painting inspiration for basic shield patterns. If I have a preference it would be for post 1250.
PS I already have both the main Ospreys.
Any particular country Martin?
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Any particular country Martin?
Erm,Russia 13th century.
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Erm,Russia 13th century.
lol lol lol
Somehow my eyes missed that lol o_o
Sorry, silly question! :)
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I've already had one interesting reply over on ANCMED (https://groups.io/g/ancmed/topic/66529514?p=,,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate,,,20,2,0,0&allview=1). I'd still like a few more now it's clear what I'm looking for. ;)
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I've already had one interesting reply over on ANCMED (https://groups.io/g/ancmed/topic/66529514?p=,,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate,,,20,2,0,0&allview=1). I'd still like a few more now it's clear what I'm looking for. ;)
Good find. I haven't heard of ANCMED up until now so may well join! :)
I painted up a lot of Gripping Beast's Medieval Russians for their website but I was given LBMS shield transfers to use which I'm guessing, unless your a member of the higher nobility, would be far too fanciful.
They are lovely though Martin and I *think* LBMS to 15mm versions of many of the 28mm ranges too.
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I painted up a lot of Gripping Beast's Medieval Russians for their website but I was given LBMS shield transfers to use which I'm guessing, unless your a member of the higher nobility, would be far too fanciful.
Thanks for the pointer. There's a few designs I can simplify and paint on 15 mm shields. They also help with colour schemes.
PS welcome to ANCMED (https://groups.io/g/ancmed/).
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Thanks for the pointer. There's a few designs I can simplify and paint on 15 mm shields. They also help with colour schemes.
Glad to help. It would be great to see some pics of what you come up with. 8)
PS welcome to ANCMED (https://groups.io/g/ancmed/).
Thanks. It looks to be a very useful resource :)
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Perhaps these images will be useful to you. Traditionally taken to represent the shields are red with pictures of animals or Orthodox symbols, but that doesn't mean that it was 8)
(http://www.varvar.ru/arhiv/slovo/images/Ice_Battle_rus_4.jpg)
(https://avatars.mds.yandex.net/get-kino-vod-films-gallery/1668876/7fea4fe8c602ba1267b452b376e10cd7/280x178_2)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/85/fe/48/85fe486c7c91f18e8cb2ec5bff76b61e.jpg)
(http://pravoslavie.ru/sas/image/102671/267162.b.jpg?1497428855)
(http://www.rus-druzhina.ru/newsostav/spb_otdelenie.jpg)
(http://www.varvar.ru/arhiv/slovo/images/nevskaya-bitva-dzysy1.jpg)
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Ooh! They are brilliant. Thanks.
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(https://sun1-85.userapi.com/c841235/v841235490/480a3/-x3-qfcPyPs.jpg)
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Perhaps these images will be useful to you. Traditionally taken to represent the shields are red with pictures of animals or Orthodox symbols, but that doesn't mean that it was 8)
[images snipped]
Hi Klingula,
Do you have a reference to which centuries the above images are from please?
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The first picture - Russian soldiers and their allies in the battle of lake Peipus. The last picture is the battle of Neva. The rest pictures of the Russians warriors 13-14 centuries
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The first picture - Russian soldiers and their allies in the battle of lake Peipus. The last picture is the battle of Neva. The rest pictures of the Russians warriors 13-14 centuries
Thanks. I asked as I'm interested in Late 14th Century armours and couldn't place them.
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(https://sun9-11.userapi.com/c845522/v845522096/6e1a/XvT8GJqSDvY.jpg)
(https://sun9-25.userapi.com/c840129/v840129684/9008f/wBA9RZ8mIhA.jpg)
(https://sun9-16.userapi.com/c845522/v845522096/6eb6/tY6X70ySnss.jpg)
You can use for inspiration of the warriors of the 13th century. For example:
(https://sun9-36.userapi.com/c845522/v845522096/6ec0/Ms0Q7vkR_AI.jpg)
(https://fsd.multiurok.ru/html/2018/03/13/s_5aa7c7fd48545/857256_1.jpeg)
(http://www.varvar.ru/arhiv/gallery/battle_art/dzis/images/dzis-kalka-3.jpg)
(http://www.varvar.ru/arhiv/gallery/battle_art/dzis/images/dzis-kalka-6.jpg)
(https://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/4/80/763/80763614_large_0abfa58d6a.jpg)
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Thank you.
How much would armour have changed from the 13th to 14th Century?
If you look at Western European armour there were a lot of technological as well as cosmetic changes.
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After the Mongol invasion, Russia lost the vast majority of the military elite and gunsmiths, driven into the Horde. Most likely there was some stagnation.
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After the Mongol invasion, Russia lost the vast majority of the military elite and gunsmiths, driven into the Horde. Most likely there was some stagnation.
Possibly lost to history?
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Rather there are some gaps in education I have 8)
In the picture below 3 and 4 kit armour belong to 14 century:
(https://sun9-11.userapi.com/c845522/v845522096/6e1a/XvT8GJqSDvY.jpg)
And several examples of armor for the 14th century:
(https://sun9-52.userapi.com/c846417/v846417528/c1863/8WYXavxB9wY.jpg)
(https://sun9-8.userapi.com/c840633/v840633244/29dad/y9zEUKwQXNw.jpg)
(https://sun9-22.userapi.com/c846417/v846417528/c190d/MukM9XslxAk.jpg)
(https://sun9-69.userapi.com/c840439/v840439111/7d5e7/zFAU7bVe12Q.jpg)
But for a wargame, there is no big difference what to use miniatures, they still produce very little 8)
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Rather there are some gaps in education I have 8)
In the picture below 3 and 4 kit armour belong to 14 century:
And several examples of armor for the 14th century:
Thanks Klingula, interesting all the same.
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But for a wargame, there is no big difference what to use miniatures, they still produce very little 8)
It would be great if a company produced 14th C Russians/Eastern Europeans etc etc in 28mm. I guess we can just hope that this someday becomes a reality.
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I will supplement the selection if you do not mind:
(http://b.radikal.ru/b25/1912/73/0f08b298131e.jpg)
Many Russian principalities had characteristic images on their shields. From left to right: Galich (Western Russia, now Western Ukraine), Kiev, Pskov (Northern Russia), Suzdal (Eastern Russia - near modern Moscow).
(http://d.radikal.ru/d17/1912/1f/29eacfbbe561.jpg)
Shield with Smolensk Griffin
(http://a.radikal.ru/a29/1912/b5/48298754f739.jpg)
A variant of Christian symbolism
(http://a.radikal.ru/a35/1912/ad/1ee39887c419.jpg)
(http://d.radikal.ru/d25/1912/82/f99d21145c0d.jpg)
All images date back to the 14th century.
And a few reconstructions of Russian warriors for this period:
(http://c.radikal.ru/c38/1912/2d/065ad43db75e.png)
Beginning of the 14th century
(http://b.radikal.ru/b43/1912/7d/e84ebdc8644b.jpg)
Reconstruction of Russian warriors who participated in the Battle of Kulikovo in 1380:
(http://d.radikal.ru/d34/1912/75/ab554f57cb20.jpg)
Team group (Grand Duke, high boyars and musicians)
(http://d.radikal.ru/d41/1912/3e/299e04e29db8.jpg)
Horse Vityaz (Knights)
(http://d.radikal.ru/d43/1912/6f/a54fa8f81959.jpg)
Foots warriors
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Well! There's certainly a treasure trove of information there!! :-*
Thank you ever so much for taking the time to do this cuprum 8)