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Miniatures Adventure => Post-Apocalyptic Tales => Topic started by: Yuber Okami on December 17, 2019, 11:32:00 AM
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Hi!
I have been a Shadowrun fan since the release of the SNES game. I have a sizeable collection of "things that look ok to be used in that setting", but no rules. I was thinking: what do you use for playing in that kind of universe? I have seen Zona Alfa lately and it reminds me of the crazy runs on the hyper-radiactive Shadowrun's SOX, but I don't know if it has all the weird rules I'd surely miss (magic, cybernetics...)
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Zona Alfa isn't going to work for you. Different setting, no magic.
Why not play the Shadowrun RPG? After that, you might want to look into Savage Worlds/Interface Zero 2.0. SW was originally a minis game and IZ2.0 is a great cyberpunk source book with cybernetics and psionics, etc.
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Zona Alfa isn't going to work for you. Different setting, no magic.
Why not play the Shadowrun RPG? After that, you might want to look into Savage Worlds/Interface Zero 2.0. SW was originally a minis game and IZ2.0 is a great cyberpunk source book with cybernetics and psionics, etc.
That's actually quite interesting as I happen to be a Savage Worlds GM xD. The Shadowrun rpg is an overly complicated rpg, and I'm looking for something more fast and furious for miniature warfare (Shadowrun had DMZ, but its rules seemed as cumbersome as the rpg itself).
Problem with the SW miniature system is that (aside from being discontinued) almost everyone had the same attributes ("Oh, standard human vs standard human... d6 on everything!"). Maybe the use of different races could change that...
What about the other Osprey rulebooks? They seem to be trying to cover everything!
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Not sure about the other Osprey books. You try Rogue Stars? Some folks like it.
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We use Rezolution as the base system with specifics from Shadowrun RPG (3rd ed) and the ICE Cyberspace RPG (these mostly for gear/cyberwear) and a card based hacking system; "Black ICE" that I wrote several years ago (like a very quick version of the excellent Netrunner CCG).
We play skirmish level only so no more than a dozen named figures in the game supplemented with NPC bodyguards, mercs, streetcops etc as necessary.
Finding a Cyberpunk game with Fantasy races and Magic apart from Shadowrun is very difficult, Rezolution was the nearest I could get but the alien races in the game are not fantasy inspired.
My other consideration for a base system was the Wessex Games "Firewall 2136" (it was for Wessex that I wrote "Black ICE") but that does not have magic.
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You'd need to add magic in, but Reality's Edge might be worth a look, or Hardwired.
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Thanks Cypher226.
Hardwired is simple, fast play, is combat centered and has psionics, but... no races, no magic.
You could always tweak the base stats to differentiate between races. (Boost movement for Elves, armor for Dwarves, melee combat for Orks... stereotyping, I know.)
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We use Rezolution as the base system with specifics from Shadowrun RPG (3rd ed) and the ICE Cyberspace RPG (these mostly for gear/cyberwear) and a card based hacking system; "Black ICE" that I wrote several years ago (like a very quick version of the excellent Netrunner CCG).
That sounds like an awful (although quite complete) lot of rules - I should have mentioned that I'm looking for a not too complicated set of rules. That's the main reason not to try DMZ.
Not sure about the other Osprey books. You try Rogue Stars? Some folks like it.
No, never tried it, but a friend of mine told me it was "too restrictive" regarding character choicesc :?
Thanks Cypher226.
Hardwired is simple, fast play, is combat centered and has psionics, but... no races, no magic.
You could always tweak the base stats to differentiate between races. (Boost movement for Elves, armor for Dwarves, melee combat for Orks... stereotyping, I know.)
I could try, but most rulesets tend to be imbalanced, and when you try to tweak things those imbalances increase to absurd level. Let me give you an example: we once tried to use Infinity for playing AvP. The fact that loosing troops rapidly reduce the remaining ones combat capability meant that the aliens were quite easily destroyed if they tried to use massed assaults tactics. Also, predators tended to be annihilated by the far more numerous colonial marines, and so on.
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From these comments, it seems you need to write your own set of rules for the kind of games you want to play. Go for it.
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If balance is important I can see 2 ways to go.
1. pick a balanced skirmish games and file the serial numbers off weapons and races, use a lot of count as. Something like Necromunda or Infinity might work.
2. pick a very simple rules system that abstracts a lot of things.
Troll? Give him armour and some strenght ability.
Fireball or grenade laucher? A long range AOE attack is the same, no matter the weapon or spell used.
Round of Fire or Fistfull of Lead might work. There might be a sci fi version of A Song of Blades and Heroes?
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2. pick a very simple rules system that abstracts a lot of things.
Troll? Give him armour and some strength ability.
Fireball or grenade launcher? A long range AOE attack is the same, no matter the weapon or spell used.
This is what I would probably lean towards. You can imagine a grenade bouncing across the ground, a mage holding out his hand to toss a fireball, etc. None of that is important in the grand scheme of things. What is important is how the damage is done and whether it makes sense. I wouldn't imagine a fireball hitting like a bullet, and honestly some non-damage types of effects like: push back (concussive force from a fireball blowing up), half movement for d6 rounds (ice/cold damage?), reduce armor rating by 1 (acid), and so forth don't greatly imbalance anything if you keep it pretty moderate. Knocking back a figure 1" probably won't turn the tides unless that character is standing on the edge of a cliff, in which case they deserve what they get lol. But really, it adds some fun flavor and some tactical options. Facing a tank? Cast some acid spells to make it vulnerable. Facing some mutant dogs? Why not freeze them up and slow down a sprint attack? It's color, but doesn't remove anyone from the field of play by itself. No need to find a rule set that tells you what to do.
Have fun and play! If the rules apply evenly to everyone, then that is fair. No army in history has ever stood across the field of battle and complained that the point counts weren't even. Life isn't fair. Overcoming the odds makes for heroic adventures, and a good commander can negate superior firepower/numbers by using solid tactics. If your made up rules really suck, tweak them and play the same scenario again. Or if the scenario is the problem, fix that and go again. Play and have fun. No need to fuss over this idea of the "perfect" game.
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Have fun and play! If the rules apply evenly to everyone, then that is fair. No army in history has ever stood across the field of battle and complained that the point counts weren't even. Life isn't fair. Overcoming the odds makes for heroic adventures, and a good commander can negate superior firepower/numbers by using solid tactics. If your made up rules really suck, tweak them and play the same scenario again. Or if the scenario is the problem, fix that and go again. Play and have fun. No need to fuss over this idea of the "perfect" game.
This.
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That's right. You know? I'm going to try the One Page Rules sets: this way I can keep tweaking things around with really simple rules and quite fast actions. Now, if I could only recruit the right people to try it....
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I would say use Necromunda. Most if not all of the old books and scenarios are floating around the internet for free.
For magic and the races, it would be quite simple to convert Warhammer Fantasy or Mordhiem stats and spells.
In older versions of 40K, especially the siege book, there are scifi meets fantasy elements.
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Looks like the call for a Shadowrun style skirmish game are about to be answered.
https://fraggingunicorns.com/gangs-of-the-undercity/
Some more mini concepts: https://www.artstation.com/kieransart
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There's not much information available, but the pictures scream Shadowrun to me :)
There's more here:
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2310939/wip-gangs-undercity-minis-skirmish-wargame (https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2310939/wip-gangs-undercity-minis-skirmish-wargame)
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/285099/gangs-undercity (https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/285099/gangs-undercity)
And a few more renders straight from the artist here:
https://www.artstation.com/kieransart (https://www.artstation.com/kieransart)
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Pulp Alley could do it, sure someone has and it's on LAF somewhere (or I'm just going more senile lol )
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I think this may be exactly what i was looking for:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CdxDSkZVV1ulXY32q_LDq9jHZR7p7QPR/view (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CdxDSkZVV1ulXY32q_LDq9jHZR7p7QPR/view)
Now, if I could try it...
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From these comments, it seems you need to write your own set of rules for the kind of games you want to play. Go for it.
I agree with this except I think you need to use Rezolution as a base. Rezolution is a really good cyberpunk rules system that goes being just including humans. The inclusion of magic though complicates things. Shadowrun is a unique and complex system even as an RPG. Any attempt at a conversion of it will prove difficult wether it's and rpg conversion or trying to make a miniature game. I wish you luck and hope you find a suitable solution.