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Miniatures Adventure => Medieval Adventures => Topic started by: Malamute on December 27, 2019, 02:07:19 PM
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The beginnings of a new retinue I have been painting for our ongoing Fistful of Lead Medieval adventures. Working on the basis of a group comprising up to seven figures I can combine the main knight with several well armed Sergeants, bow, crossbow and spear armed henchmen.
Sir Roger is from Crusader Miniatures and the remainder are from Curteys. There will be a mounted version hopefully I’ll paint him next week and of course being Sir Roger de Courcey he will have a bear... :D
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Excellent.
Good to see so much progress
Can you give some examples of how, in FFOL, the minis might be fielded?
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Those are some big-arse photos :o
Great stuff - another retinue for me to destroy >:D (yes, I know you killed me last time, but next time will be different ;D)
And that's quadrupled your painting output for 2019 - nice one lol
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‘Bout time you painted something ;D
Very nice they are too 8)
Can’t wait to kill them >:D
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Lovely work and so much of it in a short space of time! You definitely have to have a bear. Sir Roger and the fellow with the hood (arming cap) are my favourites.
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Can you give some examples of how, in FFOL, the minis might be fielded?
In FFoL a group usually comprises five figures and each figure has a number of traits (abilities that define his character and give him bonuses on his dice rolls and determine the type of dice he will roll.
For example our knight is the main character and therefore has the leader trait (bonus on team mates shock recovery) and is a Veteran meaning he can roll a D12.
He will be accompanied by four D10 figures one of whom has two traits (his second on command) the remaining three having one trait.
To mix things up one figure can be swapped out for three grunts who all operate on a D8 making the group up to seven figures. The grunts though only carry one wound each as opposed to the usual three wounds per figure which makes them easier to kill but they can be dangerous in hand to hand combat if they attack an individual figure mobbing him.
Or the group could be only four specialist figured all better quality with more traits. Having up to ten different figures in a group gives me plenty of options to experiment with different combinations of figures in each game or scenario.
I like to give my archer the Ranged fighter trait which moves his shooting die roll up to a D12 but it takes his Close Combat roll down to a D8. This makes him a better shot but he is likely to be killed quickly if he gets into close combat.
There are lots of traits to choose from to personalise your group. Your knight might be a master fighter allowing him to roll two dice and pick the best one. Lots of opportunity to be really Gamey in how you build your retinue. :D
If you’re playing a campaign after the games those taken out of action in the fighter are rolled for on a separate table to see if they have survived, remain wounded etc for the next game etc.
Whilst the rules were originally conceived as a Wild West game they have been refined over the years and the core rules now cover conflicts from all periods of history. We use the core rules for the medieval games with no modifications. Mounted combat is included hence us using our knights mounted as well.
I hope that helps! :)
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Good work on those :-*
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In FFoL a group usually comprises five figures and each figure has a number of traits (abilities that define his character and give him bonuses on his dice rolls and determine the type of dice he will roll.
For example our knight is the main character and therefore has the leader trait (bonus on team mates shock recovery) and is a Veteran meaning he can roll a D12.
He will be accompanied by four D10 figures one of whom has two traits (his second on command) the remaining three having one trait.
To mix things up one figure can be swapped out for three grunts who all operate on a D8 making the group up to seven figures. The grunts though only carry one wound each as opposed to the usual three wounds per figure which makes them easier to kill but they can be dangerous in hand to hand combat if they attack an individual figure mobbing him.
Or the group could be only four specialist figured all better quality with more traits. Having up to ten different figures in a group gives me plenty of options to experiment with different combinations of figures in each game or scenario.
I like to give my archer the Ranged fighter trait which moves his shooting die roll up to a D12 but it takes his Close Combat roll down to a D8. This makes him a better shot but he is likely to be killed quickly if he gets into close combat.
There are lots of traits to choose from to personalise your group. Your knight might be a master fighter allowing him to roll two dice and pick the best one. Lots of opportunity to be really Gamey in how you build your retinue. :D
If you’re playing a campaign after the games those taken out of action in the fighter are rolled for on a separate table to see if they have survived, remain wounded etc for the next game etc.
Whilst the rules were originally conceived as a Wild West game they have been refined over the years and the core rules now cover conflicts from all periods of history. We use the core rules for the medieval games with no modifications. Mounted combat is included hence us using our knights mounted as well.
I hope that helps! :)
Extremely useful! Many thanks 8)
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Extremely useful! Many thanks 8)
To expand a little further on this group for the first game I’ll use:
Sir Roger D12 (traits to be determined later)
Two Sergeants D10 (traits determined later)
One archer D10( ranged fighter trait making him D12 shooting D8 close combat.
Three grunts/henchmen D8s but giving them the brute traits means they’ll fight as D10s (so Gamey :D)
The archer can fire once per action but his chances of running out of arrows is much higher(if he rolls a one when shooting he must roll another die if the number rolled is 1-5 he’s out permanently!
The crossbow is a slow reload, (two actions)but delivers a +1 to wound rolls at close range...
And then there’s the bear and his handler to consider...decisions, decisions... ;D
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To expand a little further on this group for the first game I’ll use:
Sir Roger D12 (traits to be determined later)
Two Sergeants D10 (traits determined later)
One archer D10( ranged fighter trait making him D12 shooting D8 close combat.
Three grunts/henchmen D8s but giving them the brute traits means they’ll fight as D10s (so Gamey :D)
The archer can fire once per action but his chances of running out of arrows is much higher(if he rolls a one when shooting he must roll another die if the number rolled is 1-5 he’s out permanently!
And then there’s the bear and his handler to be painted and given stats... ;D
The crossbow is a slow reload, (two actions)but delivers a +1 to wound rolls at close range...
Also most useful; all saved for future reference 8)
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Great looking retinue and great explanation of the unit building rules. For Medieval rules, I'm looking at giving a Brute trait a modification. As it's really imagined for those all-out-attack berserker types, with little regard for defense, I think their opponents are going to get a bonus of +1 to wound Brutes. That's if they survive.
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You’re not fielding the bear unless it’s in a cage ;D
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Regarding the shield colours....
Why only the one quadrant painted on the lesser troops?
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He’s lazy :D
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It's just a canton without the heraldic charge.
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That's a swell looking band, Nick!
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You’re not fielding the bear unless it’s in a cage ;D
I don’t have a cage! :D
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I don’t have a cage! :D
You’re not having him then :D
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Great retinue, a very nice painting work!
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Nice retinue!
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Splendid!
I supose I should get my act together and paint a new retinue now.
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A great looking band
:)
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The Curteys figures look smashing, I don’t have any of them . As soon as I saw the small , slightly shabby retinue , I immediately thought “ Crusaders “ .
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The freehand bear on the back of the shield is top notch work, as is the rest of the band as well! :D
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Cracking painting :-*
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Lovely painting Nick :-*
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"Roger de Courcey" best thing I've heard all Christmas. Lovely painting, shouldn't that bear have a rosette lol
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"Roger de Courcey" best thing I've heard all Christmas. Lovely painting, shouldn't that bear have a rosette lol
lol
I’ll see what I can do about the rosette ;) lol
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Splendid!
I supose I should get my act together and paint a new retinue now.
Yes you should. My second one is nearly done. You’re going to get left behind in the arms race lol
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Very nice!
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Very nice, I’m working on some of the Crusader figures at the moment so those pics have been saved to the ‘study closely’ file.
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Here is a reminder of the previous retinue I painted of Sir Ronald de Barker. Crusader knight and Sergeant. The remaining figures are Black Tree Design.
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I like the spatchcocked duck
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I like the spatchcocked duck
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It’s a spaghetti monster ;D
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It’s a spaghetti monster ;D
Should be a cross-eyed bear though, shouldn't it ??? lol
Excellent work
Glen
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Should be a cross-eyed bear though, shouldn't it ??? lol
Excellent work
Glen
Indeed for de Courcey it is ;) lol
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Indeed for de Courcey it is ;) lol
Top-notch, did i miss it?
And does sir Barker have four candles or fork handle as his heraldry lol
Fantastic
Glen
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Top-notch, did i miss it?
And does sir Barker have four candles or fork handle as his heraldry lol
Fantastic
Glen
De Courcey is the knight in the very first photo with the bear on his shield. I’ve got the Perry Swiss bear to paint as his dancing/fighting bear Nookie. I’ll do my best to paint him cross eyed lol
De Barker does not have four candles , but his companion Sir Ronald de Corbett might have some “Ose“ ;) lol
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Great job! The shield design is first rate. Well done!
Over the years your painting skill continues to improve. A bit better and you will be giving Richard a run for his money! ;)
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Great retinue. :-* :-*
Must paint some in case any of you passes by Portugal. :D
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Great retinue. :-* :-*
Must paint some in case any of you passes by Portugal. :D
Bring them to London Rui ;)
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Sir Roger de Courcey on his charger finished this morning and below his retinue for completeness. Now just the bear to do. :)
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Splendid 8)
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Bring on the dancing bear!
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Lovely job :-*
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I love the idea of building and painting a small unit like this. These look brilliant mate.
Massive fan of the Sir Nigel books when I was a kid....I may have to have a go myself....
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Massive fan of the Sir Nigel books when I was a kid....I may have to have a go myself....
Which books are you referring to?
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By Arthur Conan Doyle....White Company etc. Follow the life of serf Nigel to him becoming a knight during the early part of the 100 year war.
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Ok thanks, I’ll check those out. :)
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Introducing Nook the Bear, mascot, fighting bear and constant companion of Sir Roger de Courcey. ;)
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Up next his handler and keeper Simon ..
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Nice work 8)
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Introducing Nook the Bear, mascot, fighting bear and constant companion of Sir Roger de Courcey. ;)
lol
Excellent
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Most splendid and yet, a little bit Gamey at the same time lol
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Nice work!
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Lovely painting of the fur. :-* :-*
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8) 8) 8)
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Nice job - I take it his handler, Simon Smith, is on the paint table?
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love the bear...but his eyes need to be more swivelly..
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😂
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Nice job - I take it his handler, Simon Smith, is on the paint table?
Absolutely, he’s up next ;) :D
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Excellent work. Are we likely to see the retinue of Sir Bernard of Clifton? Perhaps with his ostrich, Oswald? Or maybe the famed Sir Rodney, a knight from Hull? ;)
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Excellent work. Are we likely to see the retinue of Sir Bernard of Clifton? Perhaps with his ostrich, Oswald? Or maybe the famed Sir Rodney, a knight from Hull? ;)
Alas not h of these knights are in the retinues of my enemies. Sir Francis of Howard and Sir Bruce of Forsyth will be joining my barons forces soon. :D
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Sir Bernard de Clifton and his loyal charger Oswald are one of my retinues. They have had several rumbles with Sir Roger and his acquaintance Sir Bernard.
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Simon the Smithy, Nooks keeper.
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I really dislike this figure. I am not much of a Perry fan boy, the sculpting on the figure is really lacking, the hands are lumps, no real fingers and the mail shirt is awful and let’s not discuss the chain he is holding, it’s just a lump of metal. I substituted a Fireforge head to make him look more in period.
Here he is with the bear for completeness. The bear is an oddity too, the face, snout and cheeks have no fur sculpted on, so he looks a bit odd. I painted the head twice as the first time it looked too pale, now it maybe too dark! Never mind he’ll do, I exoect he won’t live long in games anyway as he will be a large target for everyone else’s archers. ;) lol
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Marvellous.
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Yeah, the bear is going down >:D
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Amazing :)
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Amazing :)
Groan lol
Nice job on the arrow magnet Nick :)
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Well done Nick 8)
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You have done a really good job on a figure that you say you found subpar. The bear looks very good as well. For something you have no love for you have made it look quite appealing. Perhaps more so for enemy archers... nice work.
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Great fighting teams and bear of course.
Do you have any ideas for the bear traits ?
And his handler...
Do they fight in a team ?
Cheers
Eric
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Nice painting on the bear :-*
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Great bear !
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Great fighting teams and bear of course.
Do you have any ideas for the bear traits ?
And his handler...
Do they fight in a team ?
Cheers
Eric
The bears traits will be: Large, Ferocious and Fang/claw. These are standard traits from the core rules of Fistful of Lead and fang/claw comes from the Tales of Horror supplement. The handler will be a normal D10 with one trait.
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I’d somehow missed the bear - a great addition 8)
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Thank you for the answer.
Like the idea.
Hope to see them in action in a future battle report ;D