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Miniatures Adventure => Back of Beyond => Topic started by: trev on March 21, 2020, 02:28:40 PM
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Hi all,
I have revived a long dead blog to post up some pictures of progress on my Back of Beyond project.
https://thebitsbox.blogspot.com/ (https://thebitsbox.blogspot.com/)
I have managed to paint a few figures, nothing special in photography or painiting skill but hopefully they'll look good on the table.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZhuvgLhKazk/XnUeNguLBXI/AAAAAAAAAhg/VElltQ1zTlUkfr0yijyCDD3ImYh9a73pgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/image-20-03-20-02-49-9.jpeg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dFJcAgbNJWk/XnUeilIH-vI/AAAAAAAAAho/uGy7rPYyqdcOR6JqAyEO6wVNUxAbimX1gCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/image-20-03-20-02-49-11.jpeg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8pd6kdKGYHI/XnUew_c1DgI/AAAAAAAAAhw/hGuSllPWzhIqtlLVHG65o3lhsKhW0iQIwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/image-20-03-20-02-49-8.jpeg)
I'm also working on an armoured train.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PehEl36DxyM/XnUfe-j8rcI/AAAAAAAAAh8/DmAbZKm0zVMTMgoTv-XvZdpKEojCHNhmQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/image-20-03-20-02-49-1.jpeg)
And a few conversion like this attempt to model an Anatoli Zhelezniakov type Red Sailor.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-H9bpbcoLfTU/XnYUyfK35vI/AAAAAAAAAkE/rqUMcY3gC9MLsCvv_vtlCHtm2wnUKT1EgCEwYBhgL/s320/image-20-03-20-02-50.jpeg)
There will be more to follow is my enthusiasm and mojo holds up.
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Good stuff :)
Looking forward to seeing the train completed 8)
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That train is positively bolshe-wicked. I can't wait to see it painted. Rather nice tones on the uniforms, too.
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A fine start,all looking good 8)
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Have you seen the STP Miniatures box sets that Caliver have got?
Listed on their Minifigs page
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Have you seen the STP Miniatures box sets that Caliver have got?
Listed on their Minifigs page
I had seen most of those at Studio Siberia but not that they were available in the UK. Thanks. I want to do some winter themed units, so those are useful.
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Very tolerable painting on those Reds! :-* :-* ….and that train! Please keep us informed on your progress. I am off to check your blog.
LB
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Excellent !
The train is really good !
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The train is amazing!
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Your figures look top notch to me!
Like the work on your train, do you have a picture before you clad it or Earlier WIP pictures.
A favourite era and conflict of mine you’re doing sterling work!
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Thanks Darling :D (and everyone else for the comments).
I didn't take any before pictures but here is a shot from eBay of what the train started life looking like. It looks to be a near copy of the Goldlok trains available most places but quite difficult to find in the UK. The truck couplings are slightly different but I don't have any Goldlok track to be sure about how compatible that is.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-h4jiAVT5XI8/XnXyVmnX0PI/AAAAAAAAAi8/rMWdsmu0icc8iMHBd7Q2gz5FCdpO3tFpQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Christmas_train.jpg)
I have this set too, which has no points and one less truck but the track and truck couplings are compatible. I'll post some more pics on the blog of the second train when I have time. That one I'm going to do as a straight unarmoured train I think.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-u1wrZ3ACazo/XnXyVdX5AiI/AAAAAAAAAjA/ZnUolHeP3lcyIImNkjiRsoWJWJ9tQj21QCEwYBhgL/s1600/Christmas_train_2.jpg)
I have some Goldlok trucks too, whcih have different couplings but can still be joined together with the other type.
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Bloomin fantastic stuff Trev, esp the guns, and like others am following the train work too. :-*
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Thanks TT. Here's a little update after a spray coat and with the finished turrets.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WjheBUnu2Gs/XnpRPsIwh4I/AAAAAAAAAko/80K5vnAGqjEHxOnjAzmhXgsuJuaZYViLQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/image-24-03-20-06-15.jpeg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-E8SRhNx5xxs/XnpRP_BpHWI/AAAAAAAAAks/i3xat9EmnSAqdQeOsgb85WVwdf7kBES3gCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/image-24-03-20-06-16.jpeg)
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Super conversion on the train!
Well done! :-*
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Here is the train with a basic paint job I did last night. It's quite clean and simple at the moment, which I like but I'm not sure if it needs more detail. Maybe some writing or posters on the sides, some red flags or a bit more weathering would add to it. The weird colour of the fuel in the tender is supposed to be Birch logs.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Kz2bt--fmi0/XnsyXrT4cCI/AAAAAAAAAlw/TLs5PU-wpH8xRmVhh756ZWh_XnNVF5w5QCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Train01.jpeg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ffbeauzO0V0/XnsyXtWWbTI/AAAAAAAAAls/0EwQ1aho7ygYMXmm4sH-9av8q8k_48_tACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Train02.jpeg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RmlexLfB6SY/XnsyYv6v0CI/AAAAAAAAAl0/uEQZXAO3hhY7Vo3FIzakzR4w8qBAMk1ZQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Train03.jpeg)
And some shots taken outside.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gYb2_U8wmdM/XnsyXo8ZxLI/AAAAAAAAAmA/6yS_6hhIrXstqut1TfzWCAd7ShW3TxmeQCPcBGAYYCw/s1600/OutsideTrain01.jpeg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-IZaPouWiSz0/XnsyY_QCnGI/AAAAAAAAAmE/Gt5TaCYxa1kCjDNVsifWsxfPPZPDI41GQCPcBGAYYCw/s1600/WholeTrainOutside01.jpeg)
Lastly a shot of my Red horde so far.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2m3tL08QYg8/Xns8qu3KN8I/AAAAAAAAAmQ/jNtEKMvGt-0SOk8_mElEzQUoacFhQKm7wCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Bolo_Horde.jpeg)
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Hi Captain Darling,
Here is the earliest concept shot I have of the train.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Dv-JBmcNjcA/XnuY9NorxSI/AAAAAAAAAnY/bUbw4WP7kS8wMWIDJYJ5JjMfGj_Dt6yuACPcBGAYYCw/s1600/train_concept.jpeg)
Also see the bottom of this blog post where I have added a few more early WIP shots.
https://thebitsbox.blogspot.com/2020/03/starting-railway-war.html (https://thebitsbox.blogspot.com/2020/03/starting-railway-war.html)
Inspiration and ideas were also ripped off of these old LAF posts. We stand on the shoulders of giants. :D
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=104778.msg1303835#msg1303835 (https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=104778.msg1303835#msg1303835)
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=94653.msg1168519#msg1168519 (https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=94653.msg1168519#msg1168519)
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=27590.msg335009#msg335009 (https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=27590.msg335009#msg335009)
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=53701.msg634323#msg634323 (https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=53701.msg634323#msg634323)
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Hmmmm...
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KT0WXEARz8Y/Xn_ZqOn2QUI/AAAAAAAAAnk/186rZwN8GsA2fJbZe0jiupoYCaNy12-rACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/anti-shine_oops.jpeg)
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very nice...love the train.
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Siberian army?! "Rare bird")))
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Thanks Trev, good to see...
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Thanks Trev, good to see...
Glad you liked it. PS Love the Tsar tank on your blog! That has got to be the most ridiculous armoured vehicle ever actually built. I wonder if it was used in the civil war. ;)
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Hi Michael,
That photo was really just to show how shiny my anti-shine varnish turned out but the troops are indeed meant to be the Siberian Army. Those are the start of my 16th Ishimsky regiment. I might do some of Denikin's Volunteers later but I wanted to start in the east. My Whites are based on (maybe just inspired by) the 4th Siberian Rifle Division especially for the fighting around the railway bridge at Vyatsky Polyana in May 1919. I will no doubt use them for lots of other scenarios too but I wanted to pick a general theme for the painting.
This is OOB I found. I have been trawling through Russian web sites with the help of Google Translate. There is a lot of good information out there to find this way. Please correct any mistaken translations you notice though.
4th Siberian Rifle Division
Major General I.S. Smolin
13th Omsk Siberian Rifle Regiment (Staff Captain Medvedev)
14th Irtysh Siberian Rifle Regiment (Colonel Dombrowski.)
15th Kurgan Siberian Rifle Regiment (Colonel B.G. Vezbolovich)
16th Ishim Siberian Rifle Regiment (Colonel A.G. Metelev)
4th Light artillery division (Colonel V.A. Plotnikov)
4th howitzer artillery division (Colonel Cherepanov)
4th rear personnel regiment (Colonel P.M. Guede)
The 3rd Siberian Air Squadron was also attached at this time with the following aircraft.
One each of:
Morane-Saulnier N https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morane-Saulnier_N (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morane-Saulnier_N)
Farman HF-30 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farman_HF.30 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farman_HF.30)
Voisin III https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voisin_III (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voisin_III)
The aircraft are older and less common types but It would be nice if I could get a 1/48 kit for one or all of them.
For uniforms I found this on the Kolchakiya page for the 16th Ishimsky regiment.
http://www.kolchakiya.ru/uniformology/16_Ishim_reg.htm (http://www.kolchakiya.ru/uniformology/16_Ishim_reg.htm)
My eyes and hand-eye coordination aren't up to tiny skulls on the shoulder straps but hopefully the white blobs I did manage look about right at a distance.
For the other units I couldn't find anything specific, so I have gone with Mark's supposition to follow imperial practice and used 'raspberry' shoulder boards.
http://pygmywars.com/barendspages/steppehosts/semirechenskinfantry/semirechenskinfantry.html (http://pygmywars.com/barendspages/steppehosts/semirechenskinfantry/semirechenskinfantry.html)
I might do another regiment in a different colour for variety later. Perhaps Green or Blue as they are found elsewhere in Kolchak's forces. This should give me some 'line' units and some 'Assault' units for a bit of diversity in the games. These units were based on the Officer detachments from the cities around Omsk and seem to have outclassed their early Red guard opponents but had expanded a lot by May 1919 and probably lost much of their early 'elite' status while the Reds were slowly getting their act together.
For flags I think the Russian national tricolour was used by Kolchak's time and that looks right for the Whites in my prejudice but I wanted to get some Siberian colours in hence the white and green splodges on the hats. Again I'm blaming my failing eyes for the lack of skill. lol I did find on Mark's pages and elsewhere some details for the flags of these and other associated regiments but I think I might go for something more generic to tie the force together thematically. Maybe I can use the more diverse historical flags as well. Flags are good. :D
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Hello!
You did a good job. And for the collection of historical information, and for painting figures.
At the moment, only the uniform of the 16 Ishim Regiment is known.
Here is the banner of this regiment. The Siberian army, after joining the Kolchak army, sought to maintain its traditional "Siberian" differences (white-green color), despite the ban on "separatist tendencies":
(http://www.kolchakiya.ru/vexillologiya/0095.jpg)
The banner shows the coat of arms of the city of Ishim, on the other side - the cross of the militia.
But the uniform of the later Siberian regiments is known. I think if you reproduced their differences, then this would not be a big mistake (naturally on the Russian uniform, and not on the British):
http://www.kolchakiya.ru/uniformology/Sib_rifles_units.htm
I think the banners can be reproduced on the same principle - I can find for you the coats of arms of the cities that were the patrons of the regiments you are interested in.
Morane-saulnier G 1/48
https://www.ebay.com/itm/MSD-4801-Morane-Saulnier-type-G-WWI-Airplane-model-kit-1-48/114018236550?hash=item1a8c043886:g:FQAAAOSwqHFceizC
That's what he looked like in the Siberian army. Good price and a simple color option)))
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/150/pics/104_1.jpg)
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Michael, you are sent from wargaming heaven. :)
Great find on the aircraft kit. Thanks. I ordered the last one at that price but there are others still available. The original text didn't specify the type of Morane-Saulnier, I just guessed based on the Wiki saying the N was used by Imperial Russia, but as that kit is clearly Russian it's just as possible it was a G.
I like the idea of adopting the Ishim flag scheme for the other cities. Do have suggestions for the crests?
For Kurgan the Wiki page has this crest with a very similar pattern to the Ishim flag in the top left, with two 'mounds' unsurprisingly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurgan,_Kurgan_Oblast#/media/File:Kurgan_coat_of_arms.png (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurgan,_Kurgan_Oblast#/media/File:Kurgan_coat_of_arms.png)
For Omsk this website has again a similar crest.
https://www.greatrussiangifts.com/omsk/ (https://www.greatrussiangifts.com/omsk/)
So a fish for Ishim, two mounds for Kurgan and what looks to me like a wall for Omsk is a pattern to follow, with each below what is perhaps a crown flanked by flags and axes. Is Irtysh just the river or a city as well? The regiment seems to have been raised originally from volunteers in Omsk andf Kurgan. I doubt the crests will look much like any of these if I paint them but it's good to know what you are trying to achieve. :D
This is the second unit I've started with the Raspberry shoulder boards. Thankfully on these I used a different bottle of anti-shine.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_Du0PoIHlJo/XoG7FE1fqFI/AAAAAAAAAnw/1K9OG4_TVPInRxWDP0uxwY4AnAzMa8emACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/IMG_2322.jpg)
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Glad I could help.
I am not sure if I understood your question correctly.
The Omsk coat of arms depicts a golden pyramid in military decoration (banners, halberds and drums). The lower part shows part of the fortress wall.
(http://gerbu.ru/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/%D0%B3%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B1-%D0%BE%D0%BC%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0-1782.png)
The Irtysh is just a river, so this option does not fit into the scheme that we invented)))
Well, I propose using a banner based on religious subjects - for example, as in the 18th Tobolsk Rifle Regiment. Make the banner field as the color of the shoulder strap, border and cross - the corresponding border to the shoulder strap. Raspberry and white?
(http://www.kolchakiya.ru/vexillologiya/0005.jpg)
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Thanks. That makes sense. I see the drums and pyramid now. I thought that was a crown. Copying the Tobolsk scheme is a good thought too.
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That's a fantastic train conversion. Perhaps you could add some weathering to make it look used and break up the mom chrome olive
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Amazing stuff, I especially love the train. and its cool to see a Siberian army out there.
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Here's the first two completed white units. I'll probably add more troops later but these will serve for the core of officers and volunteers.
13th Omsk
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-V4ljCduIf5U/Xonl2URqtZI/AAAAAAAAAn8/ssVlI76JOP0cwHHRAC-f4KnmG5HmS4W_ACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/13%2BOmsk.jpeg)
16th Ishim
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-P9_tmei1xL4/Xonl2igI1aI/AAAAAAAAAoI/Y44oQPeo3sUP7RJ7r86AZlBhF5cmAzpBgCPcBGAYYCw/s1600/16%2BIshim.jpeg)
I have done all four flags for the regiments of 4th Siberian Division now. I didn't like the result of my attempt to copy the Tobolsk flag, so I extended the Ishim flag theme by copying the Omsk Oblast flag as the lower half of the arms. I guess it is based on the river anyway.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zFJ_s__BBs8/XonvU6GmLqI/AAAAAAAAAo8/NNLokoNf0gADPQqH3BbzZuw48LU9Ot8LQCPcBGAYYCw/s1600/White%2BFlags%2B2.jpeg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wvQWXPb0Q98/XonvU9LaG2I/AAAAAAAAApA/fT5LxitnUqMklehBMaQTxrbLb2bkPjJPQCPcBGAYYCw/s1600/White%2BFlags%2B1.jpeg)
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Cool!
The upper part of the coat of arms is the province. The lower part is the emblem of the city (or locality).
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Cool!
The upper part of the coat of arms is the province. The lower part is the emblem of the city (or locality).
Thanks, I hadn't realised that. So that's the Tobolsk Imperial province then. I found this nice link with the coats of arms of provinces and region in the Empire. Interestingly in the link two of the flags on the Tobolsk emblem are green but on the Ishim flag they are red, so I'll leave it.
http://expositions.nlr.ru/eng/ex_rare/gerbs/namest.php (http://expositions.nlr.ru/eng/ex_rare/gerbs/namest.php)
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There are always some options depending on the time of execution and ... the artist's preferences)))
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Did you have a particular reference to build your train off of or just went for general look? I want to do one that I can use for WW1 Eastern front and RCW and generic enough to use for either side.
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Great work on your latest figures Trev, looking forward to seeing your ‘armies’ hit the tabletop!
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This is how the armored trains of the Russian army looked during the First World War. They then took part in the Civil War on various sides.
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/233577/115662641.245/0_1886b9_89722ac6_orig.png
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Did you have a particular reference to build your train off of or just went for general look? I want to do one that I can use for WW1 Eastern front and RCW and generic enough to use for either side.
Short answer
The train concept was to create something useful for gaming that looked the part but wasn't ever intended to be a straight copy.
Long waffly answer
My reasoning is that I wanted to represent one real train on the game table, not a group of 2-4 real trains. So my model train had to be scaled down in the same way we make a few scale houses represent a village. A realistic scale representation of a period armoured train would leave us with something too big and too heavily armed on the game table. A typical light armoured train of the period, the kind intended to go up to the front, might consist in reality of an engine, fuel tender, two gun carriages and some flatbed trucks at the front and back. They might then have additional truck or two for carrying an infantry company, some cavalry scouts or perhaps an armoured car. The armament for the historical train might be 4 76mm guns and 12 MGs. If a group of 10-20 figures represents a battalion of around 200-400 men at a typical game scale of 1:20 then a gun model is probably representing ~2 artillery pieces and a machinegun base ~4 guns. So our historical train should have in game scale 2 model guns and 3 model MGs worth of firepower but our historical model converted to game stats would be 4 model guns and 12 model MGs, i.e. the equalivalent of a unit of 2-4 real trains.
So, given I couldn't build a straight copy I looked for a 'smaller' historical train to use as inspiration.
I found this one, the Red Siberia, that was used in the theatre I was modelling and had just one gun tower per carriage.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CedFqCzwV-s/XnXabEEeiuI/AAAAAAAAAiM/aovrC2PD7VQhH_WDpYuD3YM8eTT20n5AwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Red%2Bsiberia%2B2.jpg)
My train carriages are also shorter and based on two wheel trucks instead of four wheel long passenger coaches. The windows are also closed, so the model train MGs can fire from any window. The additional troop carriage is to represnt a few trucks that could carry enough men to be an infantry unit in game terms and dismebark from the train. I can add it or not as the scenario requires. These compromises and cheats give me a train, which while still too big, is far less excessive for the game scale and can be reasonably armed in game terms while retaining a nice WYSIWYG feel.
If you want to make a WW1/RCW generic train then you could get one of these sets from evilBay and convert it into something 'inspired' by train 5 from Curprum's link.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-u1wrZ3ACazo/XnXyVdX5AiI/AAAAAAAAAjA/ZnUolHeP3lcyIImNkjiRsoWJWJ9tQj21QCEwYBhgL/s1600/Christmas_train_2.jpg)
You can forget about the flat bed trucks. In a game I'd give the train a chance to not be derailed by mines or track damage to represent them being there. I'd also drop the front armed carriage to reduce the length and firepower of the train. Then you'll need to convert the open truck into the front gun carriage by stripping it back to the flatbed and adding a plasticard turret. After that convert the carriage or guard's van into the rear armed carriage on train 5. Note the actual carriage you get in the set seems to vary randomly. The one shown in the lower part of the picture and one on the box are different. I've got one of each in the two sets I have. Either would be fine for conversion. Actually if you don't have any track already you might want to look at the Fastlane sets as they have a truck in some that looks more like the one pictured on train 5. They usually come with more carriages and trucks too. Sadly the track and truck couplings vary between manufacturers. The trucks and engines usually join anyway but the track doesn't. If you aren't going to use the joins it probabbly doesn't matter. Last you armour the train and tender with more plasticard or cardboard. Alternatively if you want something more purpose built take train 7 and cut down the gun carriages like I did on my Red train. Either would work as a plan and give a pretty cool armoured train that could be used in games and not be OTT. In fact I might do one myself as I need a train for my Whites. ;)
If you want more info for inspiration the trick I've found is to use Google Translate to get your search terms. This then finds Russian web sites that can then be translated.
This is the Russian/Cyrillic for armoured train.
бронепоезд
Here are some armoured train links. This is probably way more than you need but others might find them useful too. Actually, I think I'll start a separate armoured train thread to post these into and others can add more links. I've put the original Russian language links below but you can just paste the URL in here to translate.
https://translate.google.com/ (https://translate.google.com/)
https://www.minecreek.info/volunteer-army/white-armored-trains.html (https://www.minecreek.info/volunteer-army/white-armored-trains.html)
https://reibert.info/threads/krasnye-bronepoezda-i-bronetexnika.116428/ (https://reibert.info/threads/krasnye-bronepoezda-i-bronetexnika.116428/)
http://wio.ru/rr/ww1.htm (http://wio.ru/rr/ww1.htm)
http://wio.ru/rr/ww1red.htm (http://wio.ru/rr/ww1red.htm)
http://wio.ru/rr/ww1white.htm (http://wio.ru/rr/ww1white.htm)
https://naukatehnika.com/bronepoezda-belyix.html&usg=ALkJrhi5fzVn8FrR2FsCqV8zXbxfajLroA (https://naukatehnika.com/bronepoezda-belyix.html&usg=ALkJrhi5fzVn8FrR2FsCqV8zXbxfajLroA)
https://naukatehnika.com/v-odnom-stroyu-zaamurecz.html&usg=ALkJrhjru99fNkR8OqptPI3Rk6JKNgiGRw (https://naukatehnika.com/v-odnom-stroyu-zaamurecz.html&usg=ALkJrhjru99fNkR8OqptPI3Rk6JKNgiGRw)
https://naukatehnika.com/na-frontax-grazhdanskoj-vojnyi-bronepoezda-krasnyix-chast-1.html&usg=ALkJrhih38N4nJ1O4QKkW-Vi4eaf6BcRyg (https://naukatehnika.com/na-frontax-grazhdanskoj-vojnyi-bronepoezda-krasnyix-chast-1.html&usg=ALkJrhih38N4nJ1O4QKkW-Vi4eaf6BcRyg)
https://en.topwar.ru/34152-russkie-bronepoezda.html (https://en.topwar.ru/34152-russkie-bronepoezda.html)
http%3A%2F%2Fsamlib.ru%2Fk%2Fkrasilxnikow_o_j%2Falabiev.shtml (http://http%3A%2F%2Fsamlib.ru%2Fk%2Fkrasilxnikow_o_j%2Falabiev.shtml)
https://coollib.com/b/301551-leonid-ilyasovich-amirhanov-bronenostsyi-zheleznyih-dorog&usg=ALkJrhhbta47cuE4iHBnQGxrmj5Ma3NRDg (https://coollib.com/b/301551-leonid-ilyasovich-amirhanov-bronenostsyi-zheleznyih-dorog&usg=ALkJrhhbta47cuE4iHBnQGxrmj5Ma3NRDg)
PS Nice stuff on your blog. I hope you make a train as I look forward to seeing the results.
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Great work on your latest figures Trev, looking forward to seeing your ‘armies’ hit the tabletop!
Thanks Captain. My ol' muckers at http://www.sswg.co.uk/ (http://www.sswg.co.uk/) have some decent Russian looking terrain we made for various projects over the years, so hopefully we can put on some nice looking games when I rejoin them after the lock down.
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Here's mine built using a toy train. It's a mix of various styles. It's only base-painted, not weathered yet.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49742605472_8cdeabae8f_h.jpg)
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That's excellent! It looks like a similar base train to mine. Please do post photos when it's finished.
How did you do the rivets? I used 1mm across plastic half beads, sold for use with nail art, glued on with PVA.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Lz6Pv50K3HE/XotC9YaKwII/AAAAAAAAApo/00RR1590ftoPM8oCjj2c9-U0Uh0404glACPcBGAYYCw/s1600/IMG_2384.jpg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-biJRvWKIJPE/XotC9f0jNcI/AAAAAAAAAps/IDMs1XV2wEc16_XY4Vlgygn6Jqme5PiRQCPcBGAYYCw/s1600/IMG_2385.jpg)
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Rivets are simple. Mix up a small batch of 5-minute 2-part epoxy. Then use a toothpick to dab dots onto the piece. A pointed toothpick will produce small rivets; cut off the tip a bit for larger rivets.
You can get quite a lot of rivets in the 5-minute window. (Actually less than 5 minutes as the epoxy becomes unusable as it hardens on your palette.)
I tried 10-minute epoxy for a longer window but it ended up spreading and producing flat blobs. The 5-minute epoxy holds its shape.
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Cheers Schogun. I'll have to try that for smaller rivets.
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Here are some Red Sailors I have finished.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8F6lylngJmQ/XpCdR7Ru2nI/AAAAAAAAAq4/kezyB4hafqo45-j906Z7RHNXPT70gxQ3wCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Red_Sailors.JPG)
My completed Anatoli Zhelezniakov conversion
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aSurWv5n2TU/XpCfsaYtn1I/AAAAAAAAArE/3FObMbKtC28FCU3Q0QvWT7VTE-1B9ytYQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Anatoli%2BZhelezniakov.jpg)
And some Red standard bearers. I hope the Russian is correct Cuprum? :)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QbQbFZ0wUH8/XpCVKhZYddI/AAAAAAAAAqw/ZRP90FCe8Hwto2D9-J30K5srVdHCVBZ1ACPcBGAYYCw/s1600/Red_Flags_3.JPG)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pasnXbOA2XQ/Xo3vVRAFq4I/AAAAAAAAAqU/9_zoYdNNHdkHC1YmCRiMlSInl-UazqFbgCPcBGAYYCw/s1600/Red_Flags_01.jpg)
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really like the conversion. excellent job. I suspect the Bolsheviks wouldn't have let him keep that decadent, bourgeois haircut for too long!
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Thanks Nogbad, I was quite pleased with how little Anatoli turned out. Zhelezniakov was an anarchist though, so no Bolshevik statists would be telling him what length his hair should be. :D
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Really like the conversion! :-* :-*
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Great job, trev!
There are errors on one banner. I marked how to fix it:
(http://b.radikal.ru/b31/2004/1f/2e40827f4b57.jpg)
By the way, the Bolsheviks had much more beautiful banners. You can find some ideas here:
http://siberia-miniatures.ru/forum/showthread.php?fid=12&tid=94
Zheleznyakov was indeed an anarchist. By the way, in the Red Army there were many not only Bolsheviks, but also representatives of other left parties. But periodically they raised uprisings, and either perished in internecine strife, or transferred to the Bolshevik party.
As for hairstyles - at that time no one controlled them. This was characteristic of the 60s, when Khrushchev fought against "bourgeois cultural influence." Here is a portrait of one of the Bolshevik military leaders Antonov-Ovseenko:
(http://static.daru-dar.org/s600/02/01/fc/70/fc70a68df1b798a95be891b995c22d8947666379.jpg)
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Doh! Thanks for the spell checking. I know what I did there. I messed up the missing letters on the first line, painted over them and then forgot to re-add them. The trials of writing in a language you don't really understand. The third error is just a transliteration mistake.
I have corrected the flag and the blog, so nobody will follow my stupid mistakes now. :P
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RCh8CkWv8Ys/XpG0eZviWfI/AAAAAAAAArk/NVlD0UbIEykUOXhephrhLvNHPhOahdpTQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Red_Flag_Corrected.JPG)
I had already seen that great thread on your forum. There is a link already on my blog pages. :D I have written more about the phrases used and the sources too. I mainly wussed out of doing the more complicated and beautiful flags but also I felt they were more used later in the Civil War or in the 1920s. The simpler flags were also less unit or time specific. Perhaps I have also unfairly imposed an English puritanism on Russian Republicans. ;)
https://thebitsbox.blogspot.com/2020/04/red-flags_7.html (https://thebitsbox.blogspot.com/2020/04/red-flags_7.html)
https://thebitsbox.blogspot.com/2020/04/more-red-flags.html (https://thebitsbox.blogspot.com/2020/04/more-red-flags.html)
My understanding of the war in Siberia is that the sides there were very complex. Anarchists and SRs were more common in the Red forces than in the west and many socialists fought for the Whites too.
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Now everything is right!
Simple flags with slogans are characteristic of 1917 and 1918, when most of the Bolshevik military formations consisted of the Red Guard (militia from factory workers). With the beginning of the formation of regular parts (1918), much more interesting banners appeared. Their manufacture was often ordered by professional artists and gold-sewing workshops.
I agree that in Siberia the mixture was very motley. KOMUCH's army fought against the Bolsheviks under the red flags. And as part of the Red Army, there were many anarchist units that had black stars on their caps ... Like on many military airplanes.
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I've painted up all the Red Standard bearers I have for now, but I will have to have a go at some more adventurous Red Flags later. ;)
These are my Siberians. I have painted all I have for now. They need some Cossacks and more support though.
14th 'Irtysh' Siberian Rifle Regiment
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tdipCFTVjlE/XpR6nnA1JLI/AAAAAAAAAsA/DkqYbLaWmFMkQdg4YO8OjTyo1DgFTOE8ACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/14_Irtysh.jpeg)
15th 'Kurgan' Siberian Rifle Regiment
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_pYdSFgW88E/XpR6nbhBJyI/AAAAAAAAAsM/xMBtHS9KEIwBdHEqQnbe8M6y0nPqctn6gCPcBGAYYCw/s1600/15_Kurgan.JPG)
Some support weapons.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sOpA5yL_5k8/XpR6nqp8bJI/AAAAAAAAAsQ/aH8s-IML0Hc0Jg7DhFbLLp24NcwPD7McgCPcBGAYYCw/s1600/White_Arty.JPG)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-bDB0yC5-mHQ/XpR7aYJA7KI/AAAAAAAAAsc/f7UVuNWBjSY_nn4i6fZCAaS_3VOE3FOcQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/White_MG.JPG)
Here's one of the full 'division' so far. lol Maybe in 1918. They'll have to fill out their ranks with conscripts and ex-Reds for 1919. They need Cossacks, a Steamer and a Train as well. Some Czechs as allies too maybe.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JmojMjjR_GY/XpR6oYdN8cI/AAAAAAAAAsU/AoTtRYSSTUMvvPA6hYgJjprQ4yeO3oRSACPcBGAYYCw/s1600/White_Infantry.JPG)
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As always - excellent work :)
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Lovely stuff Trev, those banners look ace!
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Great work Trev.
Have you seen the Tsuba Cossacks?
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Thanks all.
TT I have seen the Tsuba Cossacks. They are wonderful sculpts. They are Caucasians though, sadly. So not right for Steppe Cossacks. Also I think the Tsuba figures are a bit small compared to the Copplestone figures. They might well be great for other projects though. ;)
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Tsuba makes the Cossacks of the imperial guard, judging by the fact that they include a trumpeter. Ordinary Cossack units did not have trumpeters.
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Righto Copplestone do a nice range of Cossacky types also of course.
I thought they (Copplestone) would be too big for my existing WW2 stuff so I went with Outpost even though they are too early a period. Then I saw Tsuba.....
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Hi TT,
Crusader do WW2 Cossacks in German Service.
http://www.crusaderminiatures.com/list.php?cat=9&sub=24&page=2 (http://www.crusaderminiatures.com/list.php?cat=9&sub=24&page=2)
These are some neat conversions using Copplestone Bolshevik Cavalry for Soviets
https://krigetkommer.weebly.com/red-cavalry/red-cavalry-part-2-converting-a-red-army-cavalry-section (https://krigetkommer.weebly.com/red-cavalry/red-cavalry-part-2-converting-a-red-army-cavalry-section)
Or using a mix of plastics
http://accidentalpainter.blogspot.com/2015/09/soviet-ww2-cavalry.html (http://accidentalpainter.blogspot.com/2015/09/soviet-ww2-cavalry.html)
Or Partisans using the Copplestone figures as is
http://evilbobs.blogspot.com/2014/06/28mm-wwii-soviet-partisan-cavalry.html (http://evilbobs.blogspot.com/2014/06/28mm-wwii-soviet-partisan-cavalry.html)
PS Managed to fix all the images.
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Can I ask what sized bases did you use for the artillery?
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Hi Shipka,
The round bases for the field guns are 75mm across. The MGs are 60mm. The heavy gun base was cut by me and is about 100mm by 60mm. I think I'd make it a bit bigger if I was doing it again.
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I've finished the last of the BoB figures I have for now. :'(
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NxE1TLbC1eE/XqRbP8Fo3pI/AAAAAAAAAwM/h-VgzybawtIqwi8ksQbwBn7LluFoQaUIACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Red%2BCavalry.jpeg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lVTDg0EC5cM/XqRbQew4yGI/AAAAAAAAAwg/fGTY4KqRjioDVcE26OVKQ2T2DmBDB9V_gCEwYBhgL/s1600/Rosa%2Band%2BComrades.jpeg)
...but have a few more on order. :)
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Buy more, quickly!! lol lol
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Is that a young Nikita Khrushchev in the middle? lol
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Splendid work!
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Is that a young Nikita Khrushchev in the middle? lol
I hope you mean of the cavalry or my Bolshevik heroine will have you on her hit list. :D
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ooops....well he must have hair once upon a time :o
To be fair most Russian Heroines of the Revolution looked more like this
(https://russiapedia.rt.com/files/of-russian-origin/babushka/babushka_1-t.JPG)
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To be fair most Russian Heroines of the Revolution looked more like this
You are very mistaken ;)
Larisa Reisner is the writer, journalist, commissar of the Volga Military Flotilla of Bolsheviks. Apparently, she didn’t wear a uniform - there are no such photos. According to the memoirs, of the "military" attributes she had only a black leather jacket and a revolver.
(http://mtdata.ru/u15/photoE17B/20605176536-0/original.jpg)
(http://maskball.ru/glossary/img/larisa_reysner.jpg)
(http://latvjustrelnieki.lv/f/galleries/l/191681.jpg)
Lyudmila Mokievskaya-Zubok. The only woman in history - the commander of an armored train, who combined the position of commissar. She distinguished herself in battles with the Germans during the summer of 1918. She died in battle in 1919. She wore a Caucasian uniform, presented to her as a reward.
(http://c.radikal.ru/c07/2004/b1/47b56724e031.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ru/c/ca/Mokievskaya-Zubok_Ludmila.jpg)
(http://d.radikal.ru/d29/2004/4f/79928e731a44.jpg)
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Now do Nadezhda Krupskaya and Nadezhda Alliluyeva ! >:D
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It seemed to me that we are talking about women who were directly involved in the hostilities... ::)
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I have added your blog to favourites!
Great work.
What dimensions do you use for the flags?
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Cheers Johnno.
My flags are 40mm square but they should really be rectangular according to this translated link (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fvexillographia.ru%2Frussia%2FRSFSR.htm). Here's the original (http://vexillographia.ru/russia/RSFSR.htm) too.
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The revolution is mobile.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QCy_JydxGLg/XrxD5VMQszI/AAAAAAAAA24/_z281rigiGQjw_SWx3fPB4fBfyQl5hoaACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Austin%2BFront%2BRight.jpeg)
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Excellent work Trev, it's just crying out for a bloke walking in front with a flag lol
Love the tyres - pre-dying latex rubber days
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Excellent work Trev, it's just crying out for a bloke walking in front with a flag lol
Love the tyres - pre-dying latex rubber days
The Bolos have lots of red flags lol
I hadn't really thought about what the types were made from. I was copying the coloured photos of contemporary ACs here showing white tyres. https://armoredcars-ww-one.blogspot.com (https://armoredcars-ww-one.blogspot.com)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VRyKMMjk7UE/W18ha6L-0MI/AAAAAAAAHQc/tmUKXmgkvbwSyfP3-N5U8h7qQ7loDsxlgCLcBGAs/s1600/Red-Army-Armored-Cars-Parade-Russia-1920.jpg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SmToCnjOcd8/UX7PJ32vOLI/AAAAAAAAELQ/4YQ6diZHCF0/s1600/Bolshevik-Austin-MkII-destroyed.jpg)
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Ah7dgaA7xi0/URetwDcqHWI/AAAAAAAADpA/eNUTMOXJLOc/s1600/Russian-Austin-Armored-Car-2nd-Series-1915.jpg)
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Here is my latest BoB unit. This time, some White Cossacks. They are based on the 17th Orenburg Cossacks, who were a Corps support asset for Verzhbitskiy's Corps of the Siberian army in 1919.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3glEY113uXA/XsPW60C6f-I/AAAAAAAAA30/fAWZYZ2zywESfOG0nxdTpGBCxQZ_PRYCgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Orenburg%2BCossacks.jpeg)
Mark's Pygmy Wars (http://pygmywars.com/barendspages/steppehosts/orenburgcavalry/orenburgcavalry.html) site is the uniform source. I didn't want to do Siberian Cossacks as they had red facings and I'd like to avoid red in the White Army for purely themetic reasons. The blue looks good and is different to the raspberry of the infantry. I know some should have lances but none of the figures did. I'll have to order some from Studio Siberia or convert some Copplestone figures. A few lancers would be nice to give an effect even if it isn't the full 50%.
The integral cavalry suport for 4th Division should be the Separate Horse-Jäger Divizion under Col Manzhetnyy. I'll need to research them a bit first and look for suitable figures.
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Good work on the a/c, these vehicles had so much ‘character’ during these early years of AFVs!
You can never have too many Cossacks yours look to be fine fighting men.
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Excellent as always!
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Terrific work on the Cossacks Trev, I believe Copplestone do make some figures you could use as lancers:
https://www.copplestonecastings.co.uk/prod.php?prod=251
(https://www.copplestonecastings.co.uk/images/img251.jpg)
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Thanks all. Can't wait until I can get all this lot on the table and roll some dice. I've run out of figures again now sadly but the 1/48 Morane G Curpum suggested has arrived and I found a Sopwith one and half strutter in the shed! No idea why I bought it and must be 10 years old but fortunately the Bolos used them, so that worked out okay. http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww1/f/115/1/0 (http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww1/f/115/1/0) I also need at least one paddle steamer and a train for the whites. :D
I believe Copplestone do make some figures you could use as lancers
They do but they come randomly in the pack and I was unlucky, so I now have two caucasian lancer figures I can't use. The single steppe Cossack I got is carrying the flag. Does anyone know of any Caucasian Cossacks that fought out east? Maybe I need to do the Volunteer army, or perhaps I can swap them when I've convinced one of the others at the club to do the Southern Whites. They can have tanks and pretty uniforms you know. ;)
Good work on the a/c, these vehicles had so much ‘character’ during these early years of AFVs!
They are wonderfully clunky. lol That 1st Corps model is really nice and looks good next to the troops. I hope they do a Garford-Putilov. Empress do a nice one but I think it ia 1/56, so might look a bit puny next to the other vehicles.
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I have added this standard for my Red Cavalry.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gixvv3T77g8/XsRsNj4WLoI/AAAAAAAAA4M/9MZyiMRPiUsK9RBKgFx2PRecWplIQ8sHwCPcBGAYYCw/s1600/Red_Cavalry_Banner_Front.jpeg)
It's based on a couple from the Studio Siberia Banners of Red Army (http://siberia-miniatures.ru/forum/showthread.php?fid=12&tid=94&block=60) thread. Mainly the flag of the 1st Turkestan Cavalry.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rYo8rg7vz_U/XsRsPXYPKFI/AAAAAAAAA4Q/dCH16Xx642g1RSXj-5zcskuS35x1qCSQwCPcBGAYYCw/s1600/Red_Cavalry_Banner_Back.jpeg)
I couldn't fit all the writing legibly on such a small flag, so I took the themes and split it over the two sides. I hope this is a bit more 'beautiful' for Curpum. :D
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Fine!
By the way, for the first time I see the image of the Red Cavalry badge on the figures. But he was very popular and the red cavalrymen often wore it on headdresses instead of an asterisk.
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Thanks. Do you mean this badge?
(https://www.soviet-power.com/image/cache/data/5044489049-425x410.jpg)
I'm not sure I could paint the difference. My stars are mostly blobs. Although I did get some more powerful reading glasses the other day, so now at least I can see they are stars. ;D
Is the blue cloth star patch around the badge from the 1922 uniform only?
(http://www.hinesley.de/budenovka_vorne2_s.jpg)
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The first photo shows the badge of the cavalry commander. All red commanders tried to have a similar sign.
A fabric star and colored stripes on greatcoats and tunics were introduced in 1919, but in reality this year only such hats were sent to the army. A completely complete new uniform began to appear only in the middle of 1920, when the war was already coming to an end.
The color of a large star and chest bands signified the branch of service.
(http://s020.radikal.ru/i707/1212/21/26d910f2599e.jpg)
1. Cavalry
2. Artillery
3. Aviation
4. Engineers corps
5. Infantry
6. Border troops
(http://s018.radikal.ru/i500/1212/c7/b75553e37d08.jpg)
Greatcoat cavalryman. 1919
Greatcoat commander of an artillery battery. 1919
More details here: http://siberia-miniatures.ru/forum/showthread.php?fid=12&tid=322
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Often the badge on the cap of the red cavalryman looked like this:
(http://bidspirit-images.global.ssl.fastly.net/helios/cloned-images/126608/006/a_ignore_q_80_w_1000_c_limit_006.jpg)
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Excellent detail and pictures. 8) Thanks. The cavalry badge is similar to the picture on the flag. I might try adding a blue star on a cavalry budenovka.
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These badges could have many options, as they were ordered in private workshops and performed depending on the taste of the customer and the capabilities of the performer.
The red star is also quite acceptable (although the prescribed color for the infantry is raspberry). Infantry uniforms (as the most common) could well have been issued to the cavalry unit (in the absence of another available).
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They do but they come randomly in the pack and I was unlucky, so I now have two caucasian lancer figures I can't use. The single steppe Cossack I got is carrying the flag. Does anyone know of any Caucasian Cossacks that fought out east? Maybe I need to do the Volunteer army, or perhaps I can swap them when I've convinced one of the others at the club to do the Southern Whites. They can have tanks and pretty uniforms you know. ;)
Just do a head swap Trev - promise I won't look at the shoulders lol
They are wonderfully clunky. lol That 1st Corps model is really nice and looks good next to the troops. I hope they do a Garford-Putilov. Empress do a nice one but I think it ia 1/56, so might look a bit puny next to the other vehicles.
IIRC Empress are 1/48th vehicles
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I have added this standard for my Red Cavalry.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gixvv3T77g8/XsRsNj4WLoI/AAAAAAAAA4M/9MZyiMRPiUsK9RBKgFx2PRecWplIQ8sHwCPcBGAYYCw/s1600/Red_Cavalry_Banner_Front.jpeg)
It's based on a couple from the Studio Siberia Banners of Red Army (http://siberia-miniatures.ru/forum/showthread.php?fid=12&tid=94&block=60) thread. Mainly the flag of the 1st Turkestan Cavalry.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rYo8rg7vz_U/XsRsPXYPKFI/AAAAAAAAA4Q/dCH16Xx642g1RSXj-5zcskuS35x1qCSQwCPcBGAYYCw/s1600/Red_Cavalry_Banner_Back.jpeg)
I couldn't fit all the writing legibly on such a small flag, so I took the themes and split it over the two sides. I hope this is a bit more 'beautiful' for Curpum. :D
Brilliant work - had to quote this so I could see it again! :-*
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had to quote this so I could see it again! :-*
Thanks TT. I'm trying to maximise productivity while the enthusiasm and focus lasts. :)
This is the latest addition. I'm going to use it as the sort of improvised armed, but not really armoured, trains used to shuttle troops and supplies to the front. I'd want heavy steel plates in between me and anyone firing 7.62mm bullets in my direction but wood and sandbags are probably better than nothing. ;)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EkvdMzWE4d0/XsrCNaEXROI/AAAAAAAAA5o/3eSsUG-F7XE9kimMmjSa9Msmi3X-a_IpACPcBGAYYCw/s1600/Improv_Armed_Train_2.jpeg)
It's mostly just a quick repaint of a Goldlok Western Express toy train but I did scatchbuild an MG truck to lead the way and drive off partisans.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FxWQOhFKLo4/Xsq-fUGKbXI/AAAAAAAAA40/sdJMWNwaMTQ-3diWSCLjiYSs5X2hoZPZwCPcBGAYYCw/s1600/Improv_Armed_Train.jpeg)
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Cool work on the cavalry banner.
Another train! You’re gonna need big table hahaha!
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Great train! A tasty morsel for the partisans.
By the way, I have a wonderful scenario just for such a mission: to lead several trains and convoys through the partisan sector. In such a mission, intervention troops may be widely involved, since it was they who often guarded the transport routes.
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Another train! You’re gonna need big table hahaha!
It’s okay, my club mates are megalomaniacs, so I’m a long way off having too much stuff. lol
(http://www.sswg.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/normandy-cover-page.jpg)
http://www.sswg.co.uk/normandy-bolt-action-main-gallery/ (http://www.sswg.co.uk/normandy-bolt-action-main-gallery/)
By the way, I have a wonderful scenario just for such a mission: to lead several trains and convoys through the partisan sector. In such a mission, intervention troops may be widely involved, since it was they who often guarded the transport routes.
That scenario sounds great. I need to get some partisan figures. I was thinking a unit or two of Czechs Would be useful too. We can do really long tables, which is great for having the supply lines on table.
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Wow! :o It’s amazing!
Here you can play already whole company, rather than a battle lol
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Inspired by this thread I have started an improvised armoured train for my Rusian Civil War collection. Thank you.
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It’s okay, my club mates are megalomaniacs, so I’m a long way off having too much stuff. lol
(http://www.sswg.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/normandy-cover-page.jpg)
http://www.sswg.co.uk/normandy-bolt-action-main-gallery/ (http://www.sswg.co.uk/normandy-bolt-action-main-gallery/)
That scenario sounds great. I need to get some partisan figures. I was thinking a unit or two of Czechs Would be useful too. We can do really long tables, which is great for having the supply lines on table.
C'mon Trev you should show them the BIG table
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Inspired by this thread I have started an improvised armoured train for my Rusian Civil War collection. Thank you.
I'm looking forward to seeing that Roger!
C'mon Trev you should show them the BIG table
lol I think this is the most ridiculous table we have done so far. We have now added another room off to the right of that shot, which has four more 6x4 tables that could possibly be joined on. We made all the tables the same height deliberately, so we could join them up like this.
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Dont get excited I am no modeller. Post on its way.
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Next up is a Paddle Steamer. I've made a start but not much progress so far.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iLHobLdxVVc/Xs6HJK0s6cI/AAAAAAAAA6Q/kzBma02HaUEbSchCSVLxGIfy70sMYr31wCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Steamer_front_1.jpeg)
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I've done a bit more work on the steamer.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YqXs1YMfw9Q/XtJ0DDarV8I/AAAAAAAAA6o/Xt7pzoUd6C4yLCf2qtcI8zEcomrmNPPkwCEwYBhgLKs0DAL1OcqwOYx4dU18or5e-_lQDsr5YjWAKovTPX3W8t03gX9rzx35WvfTApu5QhrrgJkjQJG4McdXoq4Nlp_CFYN7MkraG9IAZPQytx1O_7WAIFGNflszO9TjOFzmN5vB3QDD9o8qme2RdBrVPR63alM2MW-ng5Jrz08JHlRaaS5PZezsD5aZ9S1uvig3OowLbTBAm7Mosp-d4S06a_Cm1RaPBPTbt994xawQCoCdohpt6tFH7GHOZCkDMK838iW9x2Vk88W04C2ml0rMqbgUQ7qXjGikb0uYgXeDXX_HclwDKrCg1QSeNFoQpR9YjzVwCIwJ_BQnS7yhLWdcwmx-L0LcDDspgtnmRBPJqHfaQt8Jgq0meHLXvU2oAFMvtD-Rp3VCTpmen_rYtMNQ-gj0eup3QKZV10wMzl5Pq5P9f65spzyoIg95UzM2COvlApch7wogwpi2dcPD_HM1nKIjuq93nFjzLVbg5itXRz0tSuWzQlwXcTTxLM4hhEeSB2SbXdiXrfZdUG_HnaNEMsdAocHU7zR1hE-J0dkIomS2u6d33Y91ZFrmhnidtHbbpdEx2B17RAcqmMSQJTCKJfXHWniIEOI5ECZmMDqxBxuwwyfDJ9gU/s1600/Steamer_WIP_3.jpeg)
More pics and details here (https://thebitsbox.blogspot.com/search/label/Steamer) if you are interested.
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Coming along nicely Trev.
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Thanks Roger. Here's a bit more from today.
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I need some crew for the paddle steamer, especially a couple of standing gunners for the maxims on the upper deck. I suppose I could use sailors from the Perry Sudan range or the Pulp British Navy figures. Naval uniforms are all pretty close in style. Brigade Games do some nice merchant seamen firing a maxim but they don't look very Russian. I'm thinking I could kit-bash something but I'm drawing a blank on plastic models to use as a base. Tiger miniatures do some metal Bulgarian machine gunners that might pass as Russians. They're kneeling but I could probably get some alternative legs to fit them. I think the Perryand Tiger miniatures are a bit smaller than the Copplestones I have but I doubt it would matter. Pulp I think are larger but I don't own any. Anyone got any thoughts or suggestions?
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zYs627Z2DY4/XtatqyOQVqI/AAAAAAAAA7U/ZtWYCqs6RuQI-AhoCqUYcm2Euc57djTMQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Steamer_WIP_7.jpeg)
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Take a look at the Soviet Naval Infantry during the Second World War. The differences in uniform are minimal.
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Good call Cuprum, I have soem of the Bolt Action ones alongside my Copplestone ones, Copplestone do an MG too.
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Was trying to resist posting this but........ if you want to intimidate your opponents with beefcake
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0037/1775/9045/products/moriak15_360x.jpg?v=1590844013)
alternatively
(https://www.northstarfigures.com/images/6/img7436.jpg)
and
(https://www.northstarfigures.com/images/3/img7313.jpg)
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Good work on the paddle steamer!
Askari Minis make armed Russian sailors and generic crew types (from a slightly earlier period but in the RCW I suspect you have some leeway?).
https://askari-minis.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=54 (https://askari-minis.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=54)
Armed Russian Sailors...
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/46/9257-040620100037.jpeg)
Some of the generic crewmen...
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/46/9257-040620100210.jpeg)
Keep up the good work!
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Thanks for the thoughts chaps. I have ordered some of the Pulp and Copplestone sailors to try converting. If that fails I'll look at the other alternatives more. Also I have a few more Cossacks, infantry and artillery on the way from Northstar. I have a heavy gun for the Reds that can use the spare gun crew figures and my sadly small, but lovely, order from Studio Siberia has arrived. Just a few character figures for now but I'll want more later. Especially if I do some winter themed units.
Those Warlord Bolt Action Soviet Naval Infantry are nice. Too many SMGs but the MG could be converted to a Lewis and the riflemen have the bullet bandoliers so iconic of the revolution. I'll get some of those to add to my Red Sailors. Some of the Warlord and Crusader Partisans could be useful later too.
I've now made the guns for the Steamer.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oaEtfWlx-gY/XtlD1IijUyI/AAAAAAAAA7s/0DFAUUwsd5o0nXkt1ZhDyvWHXq7hUHi5wCEwYBhgLKs4DAL1OcqzN92dHasG6rih4-pABnxFx4o3zexBM06QHrsq_WiU3yhaAFaWlYMOLlha7oYQ5GxYi6_32LjhxZpNoeOZ9y_cGzGxFn7t9KI7ewFNNut58WbXO9Kt3t9Vgx6cZ3HjDrBX5LWiaQbJYZF--mXCP9l4K_dtJjacvGLNSeLtABuW2wXWt2V9oMP1SP6xU9BTZR_Wecd5rRAIrPnvtTNaOeWrEyqZ8eeSoz-7kr4aNX4pR26JqMRadUpNi3LdCg1KpTg4OWG7zSlHej3CY_JSUN9T5ospya-0JfZ236P1CEy4IdQjPkgv084k_zAvFhzhnU_A7-xzX2HolmGDY1Pa2w84scXRwPiEOSIADsrlJJnYNQHGnpbkEgJ7kXsfTsSrnA6OkpqyOimwkTMHhCykf3i8aMBHpnxCig8KWwEPVGH_1GTEYufaGj1oOJa007aQJA-9glyFCdQpb9ShZ6p9hU9JGB6y69k6HJutapdyneof77w86dSlTdFzB1WIt7lytnHks3z-frkyjIFkjXb6kiP2OzKvCrmhwxYKAOqahEWP-uv6qoAWqQjAvkAUPI6j-UX79Zn3T18tv5Oy8du186zBcMKPwI-E_Q3WEMIeN5fYF/s1600/Steamer_WIP_8.jpeg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PVZFfkxkgBw/XtlD08T7aBI/AAAAAAAAA7o/t0S6n_ZOWhIIJHetvTfwYIe6bYFeHXPJgCEwYBhgLKs4DAL1Ocqw1_eB6cSCBZS-o2FMI7hzKGbyg02A1oFJQbr8-P8O9EmRHWKG0NJXGIG22shvS_FHI-eGrPPlnu4aDWG9M6m1ns5AOJMYzNxVFRecr2NXKX_QwtfxgBdmoOiLUZ8xEy_c3nb5nZX6XFPyG-om3DfzdDLHaeZlYpgGrehoTBS1OdqYOIl3o-HPALCDX_LH447OrcJdgBeMj9IC-C3N_0RZbdElxBak4CP361wZgYfmnrLrpmDX3mWeprqylG9Gvajy8JhzbIug0L5E1Y3ieDnxlWEyHo3mg5NHNWNgd0QkW7c2JATptfcwlGgLMFO5DWZ5WGvgpBwuuYXlSJ9Z9J9G4zO9C7HBe7I_f8FD_hD3A-aw8TO45jrNj_51STFgGIQlA0BSJi0V8hO2kkXg7juiaT0uxmTcxpZKZTHdnFjysaR2AAlgZeQMXy3PJeExiIiFGzDXTTFcy-i7MeYX_kaoT_Ru5y7el9IWJFCcxpzqQQtaQsYBNlQwJdF6hUwoesueqpNhkuw3o-siYs8bp4heovN8b0RiDHK8MoMiwJortTgwRPqLiKf0kcDy2fQwrRZbW4dD-UOVVe2g9N6YR6lipCqEFsVv2UWuRMJON5fYF/s1600/Steamer_WIP_9.jpeg)
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It’s okay, my club mates are megalomaniacs, so I’m a long way off having too much stuff. lol
(http://www.sswg.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/normandy-cover-page.jpg)
http://www.sswg.co.uk/normandy-bolt-action-main-gallery/ (http://www.sswg.co.uk/normandy-bolt-action-main-gallery/)
That scenario sounds great. I need to get some partisan figures. I was thinking a unit or two of Czechs Would be useful too. We can do really long tables, which is great for having the supply lines on table.
Wow, what a set up! :o
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I've painted a few more Whites, including most of my small Studio Siberia order. They go very well with the Copplestones. I especially like the Priest.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XOTekxW0TMk/XwnZX55VI7I/AAAAAAAAA90/d6sFEWs76OQVy5bqh25kJR64f6BpMvA9gCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/New_Whites_1.jpeg)
More White support too.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-x7vvSHbgSD4/Xw9lF2uEYdI/AAAAAAAAA_Y/-DtkIJ4O7QYQ0Vsn1M1BmhBSoAwBtEJjgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/White_field_gun.jpg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5K-sdHurirI/Xw9lGoGsKiI/AAAAAAAAA_g/WLWpY9tERD4V5hAHKvrk-PUUhFmfK6jZgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/White_Maxim_Gun.jpeg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WFCxwZHy2Yo/Xw9lGAktbdI/AAAAAAAAA_c/iJm2NkDo2KoqyGIIldMXKx3A4iIihKbygCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/White_Lewis_Gunner.jpeg)
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Very tidy Trev, they are a good match arent they/
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Nice to see the Studio Siberia minis painted up, and very nicely too. I also really like the priest. He is quite dynamic.
Lon
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Nice stuff with the recent figures!
Who needs a Commissar when you can have a rabid Orthodox Priest! :)
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Who needs a Commissar when you can have a rabid Orthodox Priest! :)
A bit of religious fervour never hurts get the troops over the top. Especially when you're fighting Godless Commie Scum.
Speaking of which, the Whites will need some divine help if these range in. :D
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Q_puHaD5LgI/XxHPDO9dvZI/AAAAAAAAA_0/LfvzP7bXN0UdeDd_YgEr4g9nO_kGfFQoACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Red_Light_Arty.jpeg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ypjEXlbQDyc/XxHPLXrT2wI/AAAAAAAAA_8/5R4Xm9CxhAsuMUw2mEHP2Z9wffoj2S2IACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Red_Heavy_Arty.jpeg)
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Excellent work as always Trev
Bloke on the left of that Red gun is gonna need to move fast when his mate fires it! lol
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Bloke on the left of that Red gun is gonna need to move fast when his mate fires it! lol
:o lol
The hydraulic recoil damper should mean he can still have little lead children but I see what you mean. They’re not experienced gunners. :D
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at about the 44 sec mark the gunner carefully avoids the wheel- which is good at 45 sec. lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCcgTt2MJqU
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That's the heavy gun. Although, there is still a jump with the M1902 as you can see here at 7s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCGFo5TitAI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCGFo5TitAI)
Much better than this though. See 1m 35s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er1dgRH23XU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er1dgRH23XU)
What I have noticed is that I have put the guys sighting on the wrong side for all the guns though. :(
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Wow, what a set up! :o
Meh...... a mere skirmish ;D
I'm seriously blown away by that set up :-* :-* :-*
Please post some close ups- pretty please :)
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Please post some close ups- pretty please :)
It was a WW2 day not BoB I'm afraid but here are some more pics. ;)
http://www.sswg.co.uk/normandy-bolt-action-main-gallery/ (http://www.sswg.co.uk/normandy-bolt-action-main-gallery/)
(http://www.sswg.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/normandy-148.jpg)
This one is a bit more on topic. Not an SSWG game strictly but one our chums from Pitsea put on at the club HQ.
http://www.sswg.co.uk/ww1-bolt-action/ (http://www.sswg.co.uk/ww1-bolt-action/)
(http://www.sswg.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/WW1-Bolt-Action-29.jpg)
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It was a WW2 day not BoB I'm afraid but here are some more pics. ;)
Beautiful stuff :-* :-* :-*
http://www.sswg.co.uk/normandy-bolt-action-main-gallery/ (http://www.sswg.co.uk/normandy-bolt-action-main-gallery/)
(http://www.sswg.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/normandy-148.jpg)
Those Para's have to be wondering why their rifles won't fire far enough to reach across the bridge ;) lol I'll get me coat.....
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Those Para's have to be wondering why their rifles won't fire far enough to reach across the bridge ;) lol I'll get me coat.....
:D It is certainly a bit of an issue on big tables. Even artillery can easily get out of range. We want recognisable buildings too but large structure and vehicles, especially trains or ships, can get really big when made anything close to scale with the men. That's why our villages and town only have a handful of buildings. Although, I do have some sympathy for the argument that shooting a moving target off-hand at 400 yards in not that easy.
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:D It is certainly a bit of an issue on big tables. Even artillery can easily get out of range. We want recognisable buildings too but large structure and vehicles, especially trains or ships, can get really big when made anything close to scale with the men. That's why our villages and town only have a handful of buildings. Although, I do have some sympathy for the argument that shooting a moving target off-hand at 400 yards in not that easy.
Were the Bolt Action rules ever amended so that the rifles did have the range to shoot over their Pegasus Bridge model? I'm sure that I heard they changed the rules ???
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Were the Bolt Action rules ever amended so that the rifles did have the range to shoot over their Pegasus Bridge model? I'm sure that I heard they changed the rules ???
I think they are 24” for rifles but I don’t really know them. Some of the guys at the club like them but for 28mm WW2 I’ve played Battlegroup.
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I think they are 24” for rifles but I don’t really know them. Some of the guys at the club like them but for 28mm WW2 I’ve played Battlegroup.
Ah right, I got confused by the title of the pic. I've played Chain of Command for Through the Mud and the Blood and they were an excellent set of rules. I've yet to try out Battlegroup. I have to say, I was immediately put off by the 24" range, effective range or not, as most of my WWII games have been played on a 6' x 4' or 12' x 8 table.
Keep those lovely pics coming- inspirational as they are 8)
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Latest progress on my steamer.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pSCumpkSI44/XyCNJ-edlTI/AAAAAAAABAU/mMLrdtigzjES7qqMyYQEcpKHmvj1lmeOgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Steamer_N_1.jpeg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-F0VLkshqgzk/XyCNL6tkADI/AAAAAAAABAk/hXpXiMTlaf83PmnEKnkjJdzwMeMKarHLwCPcBGAYYCw/s1600/Steamer_N_2.jpeg)
This is the inspiration. It’s not identical but gives a bit of the impression.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YlV4k9humVc/Xs6CeVHszDI/AAAAAAAAA54/hXpAE-oZeekYYNLSenBRZPAyAM_K5-1NwCPcBGAYYCw/s1600/Paddle_Steamer_Gunboat.jpg)
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Cracking job.
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Your steamer really looks the part!
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Just awesome Trev!
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Thanks all. Fingers crossed I'll get to play a game this week! :o
In the meantime here are a few new troops.
A second unit of Cossacks, including some lancers this time.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-76DRoAEGw0A/XycNylKkwHI/AAAAAAAABA8/EoZ648-DIPkSVdzp_LfvoN5UXKJxQa8NQCPcBGAYYCw/s1600/Cossacks_N1.jpeg)
A few more Red Sailors
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-11bm_cy0vjU/XycRecwYzRI/AAAAAAAABBY/0ncZ2ZHcI4MiIpXDzfoCOdOWEgpcQ1_KQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Red_Sailors_01.jpeg)
Some Reds with Head Swaps
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2cS-99IAVyU/XycOB46_GBI/AAAAAAAABBA/bDjYGbTr5iMZmf0ivsush676TRAlzvkWACPcBGAYYCw/s1600/Red_Conversions_01.jpeg)
Some generic troops to use as Socialists, Reds or Whites and maybe Nationalists as needed.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-bUI2Qx65M3I/XycOduYwxgI/AAAAAAAABBQ/llvruG6m5VsSudDNtTWZt7uT1nnzfelaACPcBGAYYCw/s1600/Riflemen_1.jpeg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Cy-YQTBjmK8/XycOdn_aaVI/AAAAAAAABBM/r1-TEo4ikn0Kpncn-3TvRaIBCt78E0ZdgCPcBGAYYCw/s1600/Riflemen_2.jpeg)
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All nice but I really like the Cossacks!
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Lovely..... 8)
Fingers crossed for that game :)
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Lovely work all around. I really like the generic figures though! I've done something similar with my VBCW/ARBM forces. Their allegiance is determined by whichever flag or character is deployed with them at the start of the game :)
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Lovely work all around. I really like the generic figures though! I've done something similar with my VBCW/ARBM forces. Their allegiance is determined by whichever flag or character is deployed with them at the start of the game :)
And/or "the last person I heard a speak" ;) :)
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And/or "the last person I heard a speak" ;) :)
Nah, my dockworkers aren't so fickle as to be turned by a travelling Tory ;)
Those Socialists however :D
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Nah, my dockworkers aren't so fickle as to be turned by a travelling Tory ;)
Those Socialists however :D
It's ban actual quote by one of the Bolshevik soldiers the Dunsterforce encountered! lol
I guess if you have had no formal education and been treated like a serf for most of your life you're might be prone to just go with the flow.
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We managed to get some figures on the table yesterday. Here are a few pics.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vbSIA4XVAG8/XylXkbklRUI/AAAAAAAABBk/Zmfv1-Tx1jIZprS0aszPmnhYkyKcfYDigCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Red_sailors.jpeg)
Whites and Reds search house to house for supplies.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ATk5hlWbvv4/XylX5xSATdI/AAAAAAAABB0/ND3A6kgO3SwpbNyLOq4SVuXvks48LlrMQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/White_Officers.jpeg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CXIg0wmT98E/XylX5046zdI/AAAAAAAABBs/SaNr46y7kSMBGxyi4Kq8iSRJbCUCHtesgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Red_advance.jpeg)
The cossacks rode down some red sailors then threatened the now isolated red artillery.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yhM39_WFvwU/XylYVxEFJqI/AAAAAAAABCM/k1gAp6-L0hARcRENqYq2OnfafrF0ZJwoQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Cossacks.jpeg)
Comrade Zhelezniakov and the food requisition detachment cross cold steel with some white officers while father Basil shouts curses as the godless commie scum.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yQrYwCJPo1c/XylZEBxR2ZI/AAAAAAAABCc/pVWWTPJIBvoUZav5K-FLnS0E0lR-h0y7QCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Melee.jpeg)
Lastly, some pics of the full armies so far.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UBwDpksTdu4/Xylx3TzWtEI/AAAAAAAABC4/iRwyRwDhq0A_XsMZWYnJVGnO3b5jbiGxwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Red_Army.jpeg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vzP4vT0Oi-A/Xyly4b1S2DI/AAAAAAAABDE/XSz5Z1870PMXdWLgYzkxp4WiMF-GXkH-gCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/White_Army.jpeg)
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What I wouldn't give to roll some dice.....
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Those forces are getting quite sizable! Lovely work :D
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Hi all. My steamer is finally finished. Well except for the flags and possibly a more Bolshevik naval commander for when the boat is serving with the Red Flotillla.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Soe-uXLx7Qk/XzEedWmLBvI/AAAAAAAABEA/zJGoNfloukgkBdjXbr3oVH2_IoIprJNiQCPcBGAYYCw/s1600/PSteamer_01.jpeg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ASVHRF6PNpQ/XzEeUqWGxtI/AAAAAAAABD8/azw8olL2I74ouFLzN60biDtyHBmvnI9owCPcBGAYYCw/s1600/PSteamer_02.jpeg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0_K-0rnY2Mo/XzEed6rb30I/AAAAAAAABD4/C0D1Bk8JkI4F1msVtPeN2E-Qp4dZjKujACPcBGAYYCw/s1600/PSteamer_05.jpeg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/--polD98Px4g/XzEedfxBW0I/AAAAAAAABDw/3uUotXo-dx8T2amJKtTHS4zphgtVi2zXACPcBGAYYCw/s1600/PSteamer_04.jpeg)
These are my original sketches
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PVbWOkNXMSA/XzEZQvzEt_I/AAAAAAAABDU/uXLtYNU5SlUlu1KsY9UusImH7YubpCbjACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/St_Concept_01.jpeg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-O8_K0wJrzpQ/XzEZQhvhQCI/AAAAAAAABDY/ZCRTiwl2eiMxY9qDCfXN_tdXS6SvBZDAQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/St_Concept_02.jpeg)
More picture here. https://thebitsbox.blogspot.com/2020/08/painted-steamer.html (https://thebitsbox.blogspot.com/2020/08/painted-steamer.html)
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Like it Trev!
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Cheers Lon.
I painted this AFSR tank for my mate's White Army. Now I need to do two for the Reds. :D
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XyFnPKJxji4/X0j_dDj4wkI/AAAAAAAABG8/uDkb0LTvQ8ksRYfp-Uku-gOj5UlLHPV_wCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/AFSR_Gen_Drozdovsky.jpeg)
Also, I added some details to his Austin Armoured cars. One of these appeared in the Action at Kulomzino Station (https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=126510.0) game. Still no custom mudguards though Mark. Sorry. :'(
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gLefXpeVJ-w/X0j_dHCOQnI/AAAAAAAABHA/TZPV_iP60ZMgy5H5CZkqpMhwujSXv-fgwCPcBGAYYCw/s1600/AFSR_Austins.jpeg)
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They look fantastic! The beaten up green is particularly nice :)
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Excellent !
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Lovely stuff
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Great pair of a/c’s!
Good weathering not to over the top!