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Other Stuff => Workbench => Topic started by: Ray Rivers on March 28, 2020, 02:51:34 PM
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So, after completing my first model from Warlord Games (L'Orient), I am off on my second... HMS Victory.
I am hopeful the stuff I learned in that first build will make for an even nicer final product on this renowned Man-of-War. I'll be posting updates, but far fewer than for the L'Orient build and will try to focus mainly on stuff that I do differently.
So to start off... I am redoing the masts, as the metal masts of the model are just too soft and bend to easily. This problem made rigging the L'Orient a nightmare and probably doubled or tripled the time needed to do the work.
In this (incredibly bad) photo, you can see on the left the almost complete main mast. It lacks the upper spar. In the middle is the foremast being constructed and on the right is the still untouched "aft'est" mast.
(https://i.imgur.com/g9TJM8n.jpg)
They are all still a work in progress and I will post a photo when they are all finished.
Here is another incredibly bad photo of what I did to the bowsprit:
(https://i.imgur.com/dxZAm2r.jpg)
Essentially I cut the mast into three pieces and placed pins in them to give them more strength. One piece has been attached to the model and can be seen where the black string has been added (more reinforcement). I did this with the L'Orient. The other part is in addition this time, and will be attached when I have finished painting the model and am ready to add the masts.
So... off we go on another voyage. With luck, this model will come out a lot better.
We'll see...
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Nice start with the second model. Looking forward to following this with interest.
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Thanks!
The L'Orient took me way too long to do. Of course, there was a lot of trial and error going on then.
The masts are taking a lot of time to do, however, they are looking awesome. In the end I think it will save me a ton of time and result in much better rigging and overall look. It will also provide a much sturdier model.
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Following with great interest. Brilliant start mate.
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What size is the finished beast
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Following with great interest. Brilliant start mate.
Cheers!
Modifications to the bowsprit are complete as are those to the mainmast. Presently mounting the spars on the foremast and the mizzen mast. When they are complete (painted with running rigging attached), I'll do a picture and we can compare them to my first project.
What size is the finished beast
When it is finished it appears it will be the same size as the L'Orient... about 6 inches (15cm) long and 4 inches (10cm) high.
These models are beasts. :-*
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Cool. The rebuilt masts look pretty sturdy.
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Yep, that is the whole idea.
The masts are pretty much all constructed and are now being rigged. They will then need to be painted. I'm also working on the sea base at the same time. It is in the painting stage.
Getting closer to a photo update... still have a bit of work to do.
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Right... so here is the first change to how I painted HMS Victory as compared to the L'Orient.
With the L'Orient I painted the deck a solid color, in this case, GW Ushabti Bone and it looked like this:
(https://i.imgur.com/wjLv17a.jpg)
With the Victory, I dry brushed the Ushabti Bone so as not to fill the very small groves between the decking and it looked like this:
(https://i.imgur.com/0GeVVdL.png)
Then I applied a coat of Agrax Earthshade to the decks to bring out the detail. You can immediately see the difference:
L'Orient:
(https://i.imgur.com/JCRlsHs.jpg)
HMS Victory:
(https://i.imgur.com/YBfj8jh.png)
I'm much more pleased with how the Victory came out. I still need to do some highlighting, however.
You can also notice that the base (aluminum foil construction) is finished. I went with 2 coats of dark blue this time to try to get a bluer color, but unfortunately I went too heavy on the dry brushing, so the two bases are basically the same.
I also decided not to put pegs on the Victory like I did the L'Orient for the backstays (boy was that a pain to use) and instead have opted just for holes which I think will be much easier to work with.
I will now continue painting the hull of the Victory and working on the masts. The masts are built but I still haven't gotten them all rigged yet.
Soooo... not a lot of difference here, but I must say I like the way the Victory's deck came out far better than the L'Orient.
Till next time...
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The deck detail on the Victory really looks good. If the base is a bit too white, perhaps a blue wash to darken it up a bit?
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The deck detail on the Victory really looks good. If the base is a bit too white, perhaps a blue wash to darken it up a bit?
Cheers, mate!
That is an interesting recommendation concerning the base. I might have to do some experimenting. Thanks.
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Interesting thread , Ray , even though I’m never gonna build one . lol
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Interesting thread , Ray , even though I’m never gonna build one . lol
They are lovely models, mate.
After over 40 years in the hobby (off and on) this is the one era I have always wanted to do but have never tried. The Warlord Games Black Seas models finally gave me a reason to dive in. And boy have I.
As we speak the Santisima Trinidad is in the post headed for my door step! :-*
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Awesome!!!!
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Coming out very nice! Excellent deck detail! Eager to see the hull painted! Cheers!
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@ ErikB and DintheDin
Thanks for the encouraging remarks!
Working on the hull now. Will post a couple shots when it is complete.
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Okay, the hull painting is now more or less complete. The white area which contain, I believe, the hammocks and stuff, I've left for the very last as I am handling that area quite a bit.
The model itself has lots of detail thrown in there which actually makes it a huge pain to paint. To be quite honest, I liked the way they handled the gun ports far more with the L'Orient than the Victory. I think the L'Orient looked better at this point to be quite honest. :-I
Nevertheless, I have given it my best wack and here is a way to close photo to give you an idea of where I am and you can see all the mistakes I've made trying to get her ship shape:
(https://i.imgur.com/nN8zd3F.jpg)
So many, many lines to paint on these models. I tell you my eyes are like this o_o after a couple hours of work.
Next I'll go after the bow.
P.S.: The Santisima Trinidad showed up in the post and boy is she impressive.
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Arduous but rewarding job! The final result will be impressive, I'm sure! Following with great interest! Cheers!
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Cheers, Din!
Dunno, have you seen the figurehead of the Victory?
(http://gb.fotolibra.com/images/previews/366663-figurehead-of-hms-victory.jpeg)
Dats going to be really difficult.
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Yikes!
I've taken a closer look at the Victory's figurehead and it appears that my model is missing the upper part of the figurehead.
On nose! :o
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I see in this video that there is a figurehead...
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Black+Seas+Victory&docid=608005023244550896&mid=01121DE0B29838233A8A01121DE0B29838233A8A&view=detail&FORM=VIRE
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Yea... there is supposed to be a figurehead. But it appears mine has broken off.
If you look at my last photo, you can see that right at the end of the bow there is a round, flat area. I noticed that when I first unboxed the model, but didn't think anything of it. Right there is where the upper portion of the figurehead should be.
:'(
Not sure what I will do now. Obviously I will have to do something, but what is the question?
Anything I can come up with will only be an approximation... jeez.
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Sorry about that! Don't be too obsessed with it. Such things happen!
Deal with something else for the moment and in the meantime you will get an idea, I'm sure!
Smile and keep things rolling! :)
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Well, being the obsessive person I can sometimes be (especially when minis are concerned), I crafted a 3 piece metal structure and plonked it in place. It will do. The rest of the figurehead is not really very well done, so, "good enough" will work.
:)
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Perfect! It is fine that you found a practicable solution! Cheers!
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Yea... there is supposed to be a figurehead. But it appears mine has broken off.
If you look at my last photo, you can see that right at the end of the bow there is a round, flat area. I noticed that when I first unboxed the model, but didn't think anything of it. Right there is where the upper portion of the figurehead should be.
:'(
Not sure what I will do now. Obviously I will have to do something, but what is the question?
Anything I can come up with will only be an approximation... jeez.
Go back to Warlord and see if they will supply a replacement. Alternatively look at the plastic models, they have various figureheads which might do at a pinch.
By the way this is just as impressive as the L'Orient build. :-* :-*
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Wait! You missed a spot!
(Just teasing.)
Fantastic job, Ray. I keep looking at your pictures for inspiration as I make my little ships, too. Unfortunately, my 3rd rates and Brigs are stuck at my office and I'm at home in quarantine... still have the frigates and merchants, though.
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Wait! You missed a spot!
lol
When I looked at my model and saw that I was missing the upper part of the figurehead and saw this nice round surface, I thought ... "Damn, I must have thrown that piece away!" I had a frantic search of my box and finally looked at the instructions (why do we always do this last ::)) and was able to determine, yep, that piece had broken off and nope, I didn't have it in the box. Mind you, it could have been there and I missed it and threw it away.
Oh well... such is life. :)
Thanks for the encouraging comments boys! Full steam ahead!
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Not sure if it will help or if it's the right size but I have some figurehead leftovers from my 3rd Rates and frigates. Is it worth sending to you?
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Not sure if it will help or if it's the right size but I have some figurehead leftovers from my 3rd Rates and frigates. Is it worth sending to you?
Thanks for the offer, but I have already created a figurehead. It doesn't look the greatest, but it will do.
Thanks again.
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I would guess most of us would be in awe of your finished work and clueless as to the figurehead being missing. I would assume your replacement will easily pass muster.
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Nothing to be in awe about. It's just technical painting really. Line after line after line... my painting skills are pretty average.
I'll try to post a before and after photo. But, yea, in the grand scheme of things, I don't thing most folks would take much notice.
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You are working with great care and love for what you are doing!
Following with great interest! Cheers!
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Cheers, Din!
So here it is my scratched built figurehead. I used 4 tiny pieces of metal and then bathed them in superglue.
(https://i.imgur.com/Ola1rpG.jpg)
The top is supposed to be a crown not a head. Use your imagination!
Okay, it looks like Sh@t! lol
Well... the bow needs lots of work. Time to get on with it.
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Given the eyesight of your average opponent (or mine) I would say that figurehead will pass muster as a crown just fine.
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Given the eyesight of your average opponent (or mine) I would say that figurehead will pass muster as a crown just fine.
If I look real close it looks like Robby the Robot! :D
Anyway, here is the bow complete with a shot as close as I could get to show the figurehead:
(https://i.imgur.com/lpouHbn.jpg)
Looks like I may need another coat of Apricot to give the bow a sharper look. I want back and gave the gun ports another stroke of red to try to get them to pop a bit more and then another coat of varnish. I think the next shot should show the entire hull finished. Well see.
Here is where she stands now (the port side is the better of the two but the lighting wouldn't let me take a shot of it):
(https://i.imgur.com/rFkD8A7.jpg)
If I had to choose, of the British 1st Rates, I think the Royal Sovereign is the better model. I have ordered it and a box of French Navy 3rd Rates of Renown. My feeling in this project is I only want models that actually have names and I'm going to see if I can mass produce the 3rd rates. I also ordered the Dark Black Seas Spare sails as between the light and the dark, I prefer the dark personally.
Anyway, the hull is almost finished...
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Looking good. :-*
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Cheers, Mate!
Finishing the haul now. Should have a photo or 2 in a couple days.
THEN... it will be time to finish off my modded masts and see how that looks.
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Here we go, hull complete...
From the stern (kinda dark):
(https://i.imgur.com/kEkFI9G.jpg)
From the Starboard:
(https://i.imgur.com/WX39pp4.jpg)
From the Larboard:
(https://i.imgur.com/0yjPvSy.jpg)
Now... let's see how my new masts come out.
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Nice job :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Wow, again!
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Beautiful....a real labour of love :-*
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You are creating a beauty!!! Keep up the good job!
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Thanks, mates!
An extra ration of grog for all! :)
....a real labour of love :-*
Oh, that she is. But she is HMS Victory after all, so got to give it my best!
Watched the movie "Master and Commander" last night. Love that movie!
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God yes. One of my favourite movies. So good.
She’s looking excellent Ray.
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Thanks, Richard!
Hey folks, have a problem and maybe someone can give me some advice and or recommendations.
Here is a photo of the masts:
(https://i.imgur.com/dRK1Rhu.jpg)
On the bottom right you see a red circle and that is part of the lower original mast which has metal supports running around the mast. Now I am trying to figure out how to duplicate that... but I'm not sure... they are about half a millimeter in width.
1. Green stuff - mighty thin so could be quite difficult to replicate.
2. Nylon wrap - a couple wraps would do it, but I would end up with a knot somewhere.
3. Thin wire - this comes from those things you twist around to close bags. The width is right.
I'm leaning towards the thin wire. What do you all think?
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Thin wire or some fitting plastic tube you could cut to slices/rings.
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Thin wire or some fitting plastic tube you could cut to slices/rings.
Ah! I tried to find some plastic tube but was unable to find any that fit. Nothing even close.
So I'm using the wire, which is very fiddly and requires that I use needle nose pliers with some very small pieces. They appear to be coming out okay, but I have difficulty cutting the wire to match tip to tip. So... as I normally do in such cases, I bath it in super glue and will hope for the best.
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Here are the modified masts complete with some running rigging added (as usually it is a pretty crappy photo from my workstation which I figure folks should be pretty used to by now ;)):
(https://i.imgur.com/qV7ZsJj.jpg)
For those interested, the lower mast supports were made with metal wire. It took awhile to figure out how to do this but in the end what I did was grab the end of the wire with a pair of needle nose pliers, then wrap the wire around the tip of the pliers. This gave me a slightly larger than needed wire circle. I then used the pliers to squish the wire together a bit and then cut the circle off with some clippers. I attached them with super glue and when they were dry I went back and used a file to take away any edges that were awkwardly sticking out. Once I figured out how to do it, it went very rapidly.
As a side note, for the spars, once I cut them off the old masts, I cut into them to give me a notch to attach to the metal masts. Once I attached them, I then also reinforced them with a bit of thread. I drenched them with super glue and hoped that they were strong enough to allow me to add running rigging to them, as you have to put quite a bit of force if you want the rigging to be tense. I wasn't so sure about how it would turn out, but luckily everything came out fine and I had no problem with the spars.
Now to undercoat and paint the masts. When I am finished I'll post a photo of the L'Orient's masts and the Victory's masts for comparison.
Cheers!
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Great attention to detail Ray. I probably would have phoned it in with some masking and glue. The rigging looks nice and tight.
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Thanks, Syrinx!
The masts are now complete and painted. So let's first take a look at how they came out for the L'Orient using their metal masts):
(https://i.imgur.com/3jtIObj.jpg)
And here is how they came out for the Victory (the bowsprit has already been attached to the hull) with their steel masts:
(https://i.imgur.com/wqBaJpB.jpg)
I think the only really obvious difference is that the Victory's masts are straight and true. The painting and so forth is more of less the same.
Now the experiment will begin. Has modifying the metal masts with steel given them sufficient rigidity to make rigging the ship not only easier... but ascetically more attractive.
Next update will show the ship with all masts and standard rigging in place. Might be some time though, because this is a fairly long process.
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A lot of extra work but well worth it the steel ones are much better :-* :-* :-*
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A lot of extra work but well worth it the steel ones are much better :-* :-* :-*
Actually making the new masts didn't take all that much time. It will probably end up as a time saver as with the other masts on the L'Orient I was constantly readjusting them to keep the lines taught. That was very frustrating.
Well see if it makes a difference or not. My feeling is that it will make rigging the ship a whole lot easier.
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So I had a bit of a problem this week.
Around 6 or 7 days ago I started having excess mucus/phlegm, sore throat, upset stomach (from all that mucus) and a bit of a body ache. I began chilling out on the couch in the evenings and started to feel like I might have a bit of a temperature as well. My wife put her cheek to my forehead and said I was okay. Body ache increased, starting coughing, and headache. Went to bed on Friday, I believe, and had an attack of chills with me shivering uncontrollably and my teeth chattering like crazy. Woke up totally drenched in sweat. The next day I felt like shit and my wife took my temperature... 37.8 (below 37 is normal). Spent the entire day on the couch, coughing uncontrollably. Another temperature check clocked out 38.5. Paracetamol had absolutely no effect. My wife and kid wanted me to be go to the hospital and be tested and I refused. She called a couple doctors we knew and one said to have a test while the other said a test would not be given unless I experienced difficulty breathing or tightness in the chest. I had neither of those and was the reason I resisted going to the hospital.
Woke up this morning. No headache. A lot less phlegm, sore throat better, stomach better, no body aches. Temperature was 36.6.
Pretty darn sure I had a bout of the Wuhan Virus. But at 66 I'm still alive and kicking.
;D
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Please, take care!
Our best wishes for quick recovery!
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yes take care
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Thanks!
I thought I was clear. Today my fever spiked at 38,7 with eventually coughing as well. Overall I'm feeling pretty well, but looks like thisn't is going away after one week.
Going back into hiding.
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I think that all fellow forumers who admire your work send you waves of positive energy with the hope and wish that you will be back at your post soon!
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Yikes :o
Sounds like you’ve got it. Hang on in there Ray. It affects everyone differently from what I’ve heard.
Wishing you all the very best for a safe recovery.
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Thank ya'll!
If I do have it I think, at least to this point, it has been pretty mild. My temperature is back to normal again this morning and I'm feeling okay.
You know since the day I got back to Spain since last week I had a pretty good head cold with lots of snot and sore throat. Got that on the airplane. So almost like 9 weeks. FINALLY I got rid of the head cold and the next thing was flu like symptoms. Haven't been sick like this for years. Since turning around 60 I have been a "social distancer" because folks just don't have any problem dragging their colds and flu into the public and then sneezing all over you.
I am going to go with worse case and suppose I have COVID. With luck I'll shake this soon!
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I hope you are okay, Ray.
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Wishing you well mate.
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Hope you have a speedy and complete recovery Ray. If it's Covid hopefully it will remain a mild case.
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Thanks Boys!
It's still pretty mild. The main problem appears to be fever. So I've got my fingers crossed.
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So yesterday evening had another big fever and my wife called the Center of Salud. I am now classified as "presumptively positive for Covid 19." A lady called me this morning to check up on me. She told me that the first week of fever was the worse, gradually getting worse and then it should fall off and disappear. She warned me that any shortage of breath meant a ticket straight to the Emergency Room. Given that doesn't happen, after the disappearance of the fever (given all goes well) after 14 days I get a high five and can leave guarantee.
Must admit I'm a bit depressed by the whole situation. :(
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Cuidate, Ray. We haven't chatted much over the years, but I'd recognise that profile pic anywhere. Hope you get better soon!
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You poor guy, Ray. Hang in there.
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Thanks, buds!
At the moment I have 38.6 and am shaking like a rattle.
It makes taking a piss high drama. ;)
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We get our fingers crossed too, to see you well again!
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Wishing you the best Ray! My niece had it bad. Three weeks of pain but she pulled through. You pull through too!
Lon
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Sh!t. High drama indeed. Best of luck and prayers!
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So I had the antibody test performed and it came back negative. Negative can mean 2 things. I don't have COVID-19 or the test was performed before 7 days of catching the little bugger. It takes 7 days for the body to start producing antibodies. The result said that if I tested negative but have symptoms than I should take the for real COVID-19 test. So I guess within the next couple days I will be returning to get tested.
I will tell you one thing, even with "mild" symptoms it kicks my butt. Last night I was coughing so much I could hardly sleep. Hopefully those antibodies will start kicking in soon and give me some relief.
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Ray,
Just caught up with this thread. Great work on the Victory. Love your attention to detail.
Very sorry to hear about your medical condition. My thoughts and prayers with you and your family.
Gary
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I got pneumonia at the start of this Covid thing. It was horrible. You might have that. It is worth checking.
Good luck, Amigo!
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Hope you're better by now.
You replaced the pewter/lead parts with brass rod I assume? About 1/16" or what type should I look for?
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Ray hasn't been on in a week. Hopefully not a problem.
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I'm worrying and wishing all the best!
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I got pneumonia at the start of this Covid thing. It was horrible. You might have that. It is worth checking.
Good luck, Amigo!
So that is what happened.
The day after the antibody test I had 40 in fever and was admitted into the hospital with pneumonia in the right lung. Just got out this morning (12 days... o_o) and feel pretty terrible.
Thanks for all the good vibes guys!
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Good to hear you're back. Stay safe and get well soon!
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I'm starting to wonder if by Black Seas project is cursed:
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fimages4.static-bluray.com%2Freviews%2F376_4.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
:o
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So happy to see you back!
Many wishes for a quick recovery!
Cheers!
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Glad to see you back and healthy
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Some good food and good sleep and soon you'll be ok!
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Good to hear your back and relatively healthy!
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I'm glad it was "just" pneumonia, Ray.
I have had it twice and it's just horrible.
The first time, my wife kept making fun of me for being "man-sick" and I ignored it. I napped a lot at work and even arrived early and slept for 15-30 min in my car before going in.
My wife kept sending me this video. I swear, it is her twin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLj7fj-3L78
All this until I had a minor heart attack FROM THE PNEUMONIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I did not know that could happen!
I am fine, now, but I spent a few insanely expensive days in the hospital being pumped full of various antibiotics that did not seem to work at first.
In the US it is cheaper to just die and let your family find another husband/dad.
I hope you are doing better now, though. Hang in there!
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Happy to hear that you are doing better Ray. Heal up! There is more rigging to do lol
Lon
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Bloody Hell Ray :o
Well done for pulling through it. That old fighting spirit! Wooden ships and iron men, see... ;)
Glad you’re okay.
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Fantastic video!
I think she has one more twin next room! lol
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I had my first follow-up after a week from being in the hospital.
The Doctor told me I had double pneumonia, thought initially I had a 25% chance to die, and was worried that I might have been presenting with leukemia as well. (My grandfather died of leukemia.) I lost at least 8 kilos; which is about 1/8th of my weight. He said I am looking at about 2 months to recover.
I have this absolutely horrible metallic taste in my month which he told me was normal and should fade away. There are times when I just crawl into the couch and roll up into a ball and fall asleep. I am trying to eat like a pig to regain weight.
I really want to finish my boat, but just can't get up the enthusiasm at the moment. Maybe in awhile after a bit of recovery.
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Take your full time to recover! The ship can wait!
This was an awful experience you passed! I strongly wish you will remember all these one day and laugh!
We will be glad to be receiving your news!
Cheers!
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Take your time, watch video's of hobby stuff and regain your strength. Last thing you need right now is to try rigging!
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A difficult time it sounds but glad you are on the mend. Take your time to recover mate, when the time is right you can finish your ship and look to the next challenge.
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Pneumonia takes a loooooong time to go away. Be patient with yourself. Rest and sleep a lot. Eat a lot if you can. Chicken soup is fantastic pneumonia-food.
Hang in there, buddy. The worst part of pneumonia for me was the boredom.
Be patient.