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Miniatures Adventure => The Conflicts that came in from the Cold => Topic started by: commissarmoody on May 02, 2020, 11:51:44 PM
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As the title and photo above show, I am doing a DDR (Deutsche Demokratische Republik) project. Not really sure if the cap was ever used by any one. But I was able to pick it up on a Scouting trip in 92 at a open air market in Berlin. Surprised it has stayed together so well over the years. lol
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I think I am off to a good start kit wise. Just need to wait for a t-55 in 1/50-1/48 for my Panzer Zug. Any suggestions would be helpful.
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Finally going to use these BTR60s, got 3 of them to build.
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Some close Air Support, in the Form of a Hind and Mi-2.
I have a AN-2 colt hiding some where in my storage. So if I can find the plane, it will also be in this project.
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And now onto the Infantry, They are from underfire mins. And so far I am enjoying painting them up. But I am finding the rain pattern to be a bit of a pain to paint. So might just apply a wash and call it a day... Also might go for a Brown primer next time as well.
I posted up the same info on my blog.
https://commissarmoody.blogspot.com/2020/05/starting-ddr-nva-project.html
And I made and posted my fist unscripted and unrehearsed minute long video on YouTube to catalogue my work as well. o_o
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Woo, I think I'm going to enjoy this.
I have also thought about doing NVA and West Germans using the excellent looking Underfire minis.
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Hey commissar,
I have a few figures, they have suffered some under conversions but I could send them over, they're also from Undefire methinks. Butler's Printed Models and Paint and Glue have a few vehicles in your scale as well. 3d printed though!
Part from that, following with interest! :)
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Good luck with this project.
I have to admit to just basecoating the NVA, as the raindrop pattern is stumping me.
(Weird coincidence, on the way home from Salute 2019, there was a bloke getting off the train wearing an NVA raindrop pattern jacket).
How about http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=121495.msg1527029#msg1527029 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=121495.msg1527029#msg1527029) for your T55s?
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I have also thought about doing NVA and West Germans using the excellent looking Underfire minis.
I do recommend them.
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Of you like the modelling side of the hobby, Tamiya have recently released a T55 in 1/48 scale.
Johm
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John Hollyoak and Ultravaillasmurf. Do you guy know if those options would do for a T55AM?
As for painting I am currently at using Vallejo Green Grey for the uniform with GW Agrex wash for a table top quality look. Also using VA bronze Green for uncovered helmet and web gear. I tried to do the rain pattern lines and it was ether to light to be seen, or just turned into blotches, so applying KISS to it. lol
Thanks Ragnar, They are decent figs so far.
And FreakyFenton, What kind of conversion work did you do to your NVA?
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For Rich H's version, it would be best to ask him, but as Empress is definitely moving to a Cold War range (hooray) I would hope so.
I am interested in your uniform colour - I took the colour from what is now Ospreys Warsaw Pact Ground Forces book
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I am going to have to watch Deutschland 83 again...
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Empress is definitely moving to a Cold War range (hooray) I would hope so.
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Yeah I heard that they were planning on doing some 80s UK. So we will see what else they have planed.
Here are some test photos by the way. They still need a lot of work and I believe the last 2 I painted up last night were with German Beige instead of Green Grey. :?
Adventures in unorganized Hobbies.
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As for inspiration, I am also using that osprey. Some photos I found online and this http://camopedia.org/index.php?title=East_Germany
And I have yet to see Deutschland 83, think I will have to buy the first season to give it a try. (https://flic.kr/p/2iWXtHQ)
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Luckily Deutschland 8x is available on All4 in the UK (okay on 83 and 86 only so far).
Good start on the figures.
Adventures in unorganized Hobbies.
I have a stack of Volksgrenadiers and Bundeswehr on the spray box...
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Great start. Looking forward to seeing how this project turns out.
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Luckily Deutschland 8x is available on All4 in the UK (okay on 83 and 86 only so far).
Good start on the figures.
I have a stack of Volksgrenadiers and Bundeswehr on the spray box...
You should paint them up as well. lol
Good to know about the show, but I just paid for it on my Amazon prime account. So will be watching it there.
And I think I might use the Adventures in unorganized hobbies as my YouTube channel name. Keep my public and private separate you know.
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Great start. Looking forward to seeing how this project turns out.
Thanks!
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Random though/question. Does any one know what Spain's mission in a mid to late 80s cold war gone hot would be? I know they joined NATO in 82, and had lots of AMX, m47 and m48 tanks. Along with tons of m113s.
And that they had structured their force primarily for territorial Defense with 3 division's in a interdiction force role.
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I have "Ultra Modern Army Lists and Organisations Volume 1" by Bruce Rea-Taylor 1985 which is in period if not accuracy (Chieftains with Image Intensifiers...).
It list one each of the following divisions:
Armoured
Mechanised
Motorised
Plus one each at brigade strength:
Armoured Cavalry
Airborne
Airmobile
Artillery
Overseas forces
7 infantry regiments
6 artillery regiments
3 Foreign Legion regiments
4 armoured car regiments
Territorial forces
2 mountain Divisions
10 infantry brigades
1 mountain brigade
1 artillery brigade.
The book notes that Armoured Cavalry makes up half the Spanish armoured assets and would form the spearhead of a NATO commitment.
Hardware as you listed plus BMR600.
This Wikipedia article looks a bit odd.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegaso_BMR (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegaso_BMR)
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Thanks,
I am debating converting some of the west Germans into Spanish troops. Just to have something different.
Just got to figure out what job they would do in a Cold war gone hot. I know they were new to NATO so might not be fully intergrated in the mid to late 80s. But right now it's just a thought experiment.
Another is wether my underfire mins Soviets can be used as Cezch or Polish troops.
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This is a promising start! I like the spread in the first post... this is exciting! :D
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This is a promising start! I like the spread in the first post... this is exciting! :D
Thanks, I wasn't able to get much painting done over the weeknd. But I was able to build this Warlord Games/Italeri kit.
https://commissarmoody.blogspot.com/2020/05/weeknd-ddr-work.html
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It was a quick and painless kit to assemble, and make a good random ruined small building. Good for 1900 century to modern, near future and post apoc.
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I will be interested in seeing that painted.
It does show its 20mm scale origins.
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Yeah, like the windows that come up to chest high. lol
But I cant complain. Got it on sale and doesn't take up to much space on the storage shelfs. Which keeps the wife happy. :D
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Great stuff Commissar! Very inspiring,looking forward to see what other stuff you get together :)
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I just noticed Spanish Overseas organisation options include M41s.
My guess is that Spanish participation in the Central Front would be similar to that of the French.
There are details on a German-French wargame (Kecker Spatz - "Cheeky Sparrow" according to Google) here:
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I will have a look here later.
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Thanks, I'll look into it.
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Tamiya have just released a 1/48 T-55. From the previews and reviews on line it looks brilliant. At least one decal company has released 2 or 3 decal sets for it, covering a few Cold War subjects.
http://www.missing-lynx.com/reviews/48/tamiya32598reviewbg_1.html
It's certainly on my shopping list, just waiting for my local distributors to get some in.
If you haven't built any of the Tamiya 1/48 kits, don't be put off by the parts counts. They are beautifully engineered and go together really well. I've probably taken more time detailing resin wargaming models than it takes to put one of these Tamiya kits together.
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Thanks Carlos, I am keeping a eye on the Tamiya T-55s as well. I am debating how to make them into T55A/ AM. But they do look pretty sweet. So might just spring for the Tamiya kit.
I also have my eye on a Italeri Model Station or two. think it would they would make a great objective build. Have one be a Banhof station and another a Gastshaus…
Oh dang, now I am trying to figure out more uses for that building. lol
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I’d guess that it will not be long before CMK, Blackdog, Gasoline or some other aftermarket company produces the necessary conversion kit. Given the first two are Czech companies I would have my money on them.
I believe the Spanish were nominally tasked with support to Southern Europe,much like the Portuguuse. Helping the Italians along the Yugoslav border, should the soviets have rolled that far.
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Good point. Maybe I'll send them a nudge suggesting the conversion kit. Ether way I can wait a bit to get the tanks while I paint up and build the kits I currently have.
Then I'll be all in on those kits.
And thanks for the info about the Spanish forces. Just trying to think of other uses for the Underfire West German models with minimal conversion work.
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Or you could do what I did and swap some German (or US) helmets onto the Eureka Portuguese and give them new paint jobs. If you paint the stock and hand guards of the G-3 to look like wood you have a pretty good proxy of a CETME Model C. I’m sure there were plenty of those kicking around until the late eighties, I think they only started to phase in the Model L in the mid ‘80s.
I converted four or five for an aborted Gibraltar 1969 wotif project. Must dig them out.
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I was planning something similar with the old ww2 fritz helmets. But I think I should finish up the East Germans first and maybe the West Germans, before I start cutting heads off. lol
Speaking of that, I asked in a separate thread, but I will ask it again here.
Do you know of any kit or separate heads available that would work for that East German jump helmets? They look like 70s era motorcycle helmets to me.
And or Soviet style soft tankers helmets? I might just snag the heads from the Tamiya T-55s, but I want to make a officers or two. Along with some Recon and Paratrooper figs.
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There's Warlord's soviet tanker pack for some tanker hats/helmets. The jump helmet could be converted if you had plastic fritz helmets and cut the edges off and greenstuffed something over the ears. Just a thought though.
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Those are also some good ideas.
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You also asked about other Warsaw Pact options, I wondered if a combination of Under Fire NVA with Empress (Universal Soldier) Russian heads.
No idea how accurate that would be, but the head swaps would change their profile.
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Great project idea.
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Thanks LeadFool.
Well I talked to Bill over at Underfire and its looks like he has planes in the future to expand his range ever more in the future. Including some soviets' in camo suits and US in PASGT towards the end of the year. So fingers crossed that works out.
I didn't get as much done as I would have liked too, but I am still doing more then I have all year so that something.
Posting up a link to my blog with more photos an info about what I have been up to.
https://commissarmoody.blogspot.com/2020/05/weeknd-hobby-time.html
Mostly doing that to keep my free photos on flicker from being overloaded to quickly. lol
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Looking good!
What’s that Micromir BTR-60 like as a kit? Seems to have turned out well. I’ve been eyeing one of those off since they came out. If it’s good to build I might replace my resin one or convert it to a TAB-71 and give my Romanians a ride.
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The base hull is not to bad. But suffers from bad instructions.... Of course I wont discount me being rusty, haveing not built a kit in a few years.
You will have to shave and cut a few bits to get them to fit.
And it does suffer from missing a few things completely. Like the turrets 7.62 MG, rear storage rack and spot light.
I also decided to not bother with the hooks, steps and hand holds. Being thin, i figure they will break in play and be hard to fix...
But i still got 2 more to make. I'll build those before I give it a full recommendations or a no go.
At the very least i picked them up cheap so cant complain ether way. lol
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Sorry for the lack of updates. I have been busy dealing with life, famly and a mutch needed camping trip with the wife. :D
In the meant time, I have finished painting the first squad, and am waiting to get some new basing material to finish them off.
Also once the painting bug bites again, I will get into finishing up the rest of the platoon for a Combat Recon Group of 3 BTRs and a T-55.
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I also got in some M56 helmets as serpent shells from Shapeways in 28mm And they honistly work just fine. So seeing as how I have already decided to make a ultra modern force of a Rump East German nation I decided to get it a try and see how it worked out.
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figs are Empress Modern Russian Federation with a universal head set Fast helmet cut with cut down sides to fit the M56 helmet. link to the helmet page.
https://www.shapeways.com/product/E5TMV78NB/28mm-m-56-ddr-helmets?optionId=60113542&li=marketplace
For items coming in the mail. I Got a Tamiya T-55 to add to my list of kits to build. Along with a Butlers T55AM
(https://www.butlersprintedmodels.co.uk/1/48-scale/post-ww2/t55am.html) Will see how they compare.
I also got a Another set of the the ITALERI Berlin house and a Extension. Might pick up a few more to give options for a taller house or for battle damage..etc.
I also Got 16 headless UnderFire NVA from a fellow Lead Adventure FreakyFenton. And I am trying to decide whether I should make them them into Luftsturm Brigade 40 "Willi Sanger" or into some Workers Militia.
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The Willi Sänger battalion wore either motorbike style crash helmets or a distinctive bowl helmet shaped not unlike the old British para helmet but with leather ear flaps as their jump gear. I think it’s the same pattern that the Poles used with their airborne units. I suppose they may well have used the standard East German tin hat if not deploying by parachute but extant photos of them on exercise tend to show them in the biker helmets/ para helmets or berets.
Good to know about those Shapeways stahlhelms. I’ve been wondering about some of the other helmets on there for conversions.
Nice work all round!
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Thanks, Yeah I have been trying to figure out a decent helmet to choose for the Willi Sangers. And have been debating on giving them some of their field berets or the bright orange ones just for the hell of it. lol
Maybe Ill keep the orange ones for the future Rump state guys and keep the cold war ones a little more historical.
I am looking for a decent side or forage cap as well. Might be good for the regulars as a alternate headgear as well.
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If you can locate a box of the old Wargames Factory WW2 Soviets then you’ll have a largeish supply of sidecaps.
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First squad looks great
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I can't find any photos, but the Westwind Berlin or Bust range had a separate head system which were generally quite nicely sculpted. They saw lots of use on Gamesworkshop Cadian conversions.
They do a Russian sidecap available here: https://westwindproductions.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=76_167_187&product_id=1172 (https://westwindproductions.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=76_167_187&product_id=1172)
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The german airborne pack from Warlord Games has a few heads with sidecap who'd work at a glance. Alternatively the Empress heads from the indochina range could do with some fitting paintwork methinks. https://www.empressminiatures.com/dbp29-309-p.asp
Apart from that looking forward to progress! :D
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Thanks, those are all some good ideas. I'll see what I can find in my pile of bits.
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If you're going ahead with the Stalhelm M1945s on the Russian bodies then modernising them a bit would help. Adding cloth covers or attachment points would be more in line with contemporary forces. Maybe the odd set of goggles, or a mounting bracket for NVGs.
I'd probably say maybe modify the Russian webbing a bit too with some East German kit. Or at least items in their style - even if they're not period correct. Stick on some old canteens or Soviet era pouches and bags perhaps. To give the impression that they State's forked out for Ratnik (or been given it), though have integrated it with their older equipment - rather than replacing everything.
If it were me I'd go for another approach though. Ah, instead going for a 1960s setting where the East was absorbed by the West, or WWII never ended. So similar figures, and things like BRDMs, but with Knights crosses on the sides. Or you could go the other way and stick a Hammer and Sickel on the side of a Leopard. I'm testing out turning those same Under Fire Miniatures East Germans into Cold War Nazi figures right now actually, which unsurprisingly doesn't take too much work. :)
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I am working on adding a few things to make them more East German. Like I have already added those roundish backpack/bed rolls that on their upper backs.
And I will have to figure out how to add nods mounts with my limited sculpting ability. So we shell see how that works.
Or I might hit up and TAG and snag some of the items from their weapons' and equipment range. I can see some of the old style German water bottles, E-tools and equipment pouches still being used.
Biggest problem I have is weather to keep the old grey green rains drop pattern uniform, or go with something else. And if so what?
If I keep the older pattern uniform, then that means grey webgear.
So should I also paint the body armor in grey, rain drop pattern or hell go with Russian ratnik pattern on the body armor? Saying it is loner/gifted Gear or some thing.
As for background, I am saying the point of departure is that after WW2 Danzig was allowed to go back to being a neutral fee city. And East Prussia was not depopulated and remained part of the DDR. Or was gifted back to the DDR in the 60s as some kind of good faith measure.
Ether way when the reformer vote failed in 89 and, the wall was being torn down. The party heads and faithful fled to their stronghold of East Prussia. And held out their while the block fell around them.
I'll say that they tried to help the Soviet Union maintain the Baltic States, but lived under a paranoid siege state thru out the 90s with their only friends being nations like Cuba, Belarus, Russia, PRC..etc.
Then the 2000 came along, limited reforms, change of the old guard and Russia opening up lead to them getting back into the game.
That's my idea so far.
For campaign hooks.
Danzig being a free natural city annoys them. Especial with all the contraband being smuggled in by the Vistula Lagoon.
Posable border Conflict over the Lithuania Memel-Land. Or some kind of Curonian Spit/Lagoon war.
Internal conflicts, could be Prodemocracy groups, Kursenieki Liberation groups, Lithuanian Forest Brother Movement in the Memel region if still occupied.
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If it were me I'd go for another approach though. Ah, instead going for a 1960s setting where the East was absorbed by the West, or WWII never ended. So similar figures, and things like BRDMs, but with Knights crosses on the sides. Or you could go the other way and stick a Hammer and Sickel on the side of a Leopard. I'm testing out turning those same Under Fire Miniatures East Germans into Cold War Nazi figures right now actually, which unsurprisingly doesn't take too much work. :)
Also a pretty cool idea, you got a thread up for that? Or is sit sill in the workshop phase?
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If you're going for a sort of East German remnants State then I'd play up the conflicting nature of their gear. Perhaps with them being in an interim phase between switching from the old to the new stuff. Or having made a failed attempt to modernise, though ran out of funds before it could be completed.
Practically, from a propoganda perspective - on what's projected to the general public and the higher ups actually making the purchase orders - new uniforms give the appearance of a modern force. So a fictionalised digital camo or pixelated version of one of the East German schemes may work. Without just straight up giving them Russian uniforms. Or you go the other way and have them being East Germans in every way, barring their armour and the odd bit of "modern" equipment they've managed to buy in on a limited budget.
You don't want just some Russian figures wearing East German helmets though. So I'd say play up the differences in the gear - erring towards 1990s stocks - with the occasional bit of new stuff. Like they've managed to modernise so far, though either through a lack of budget, political willpower, or an outside power's only drip feeding them gear as a token political move, they're not quite there.
In which case as for vehicles, go entirely with Cold War stocks. Potentially modernised to eek a few more years out of it all. I'm thinking of say Transnistria - where they used what vehicles they had to fill in the gaps in their arsenal. Turning tanks into APCs, or artillery tractors into rocket launchers. The East Germans at least were fairly mechanised while they were still a state, so whilst what they'd have post-Cold War would be outdated, it could still be the top of the line for the 1980s.
I'd probably chuck my own stuff in that existing Weird Wars thread of mine. Though its been something that's been worked on, on and off for months. The East German conversions just happen to be something I'm working on at the moment. The idea being to put together a platoon of figures in the style of CP Model's own alt-history 20mm range - in a parody to later forces in terms of armament and structure. What I've came up with for these few infantry models I'm converting right now doesn't look terrible at least (and they'll replace the existing alt history infantry I'd made ages ago - which I unfortunately stripped, so can't really sell off).
Its something which is still ongoing. I just decided to redo my modern forces in 1/56th, so that's a time sink (there's four BTR-4 plasticard shells sitting waiting finishing in a pile...). And loads of WWII stuff to do as well for Italian, Romanian, German and Soviet forces. ::)
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All good ideas.
Well seeing as my sculpting ability is not the best, I order a few sets of German Water bottle's, pouches and entrenching from TAG. They look close enough to some of the stuff the NVA used and will help age the guys a bit who do have them.
I am angling to the Idea that the 90s was a wreak for them, With sanctions, depressed economy and high under employment. But as Russia starting to rise again the 2000's they did too. With Russia being their biggest trade partner. And the Russians "renting" their port faculties for their Baltic fleet.
Most of their kit will be modernized or refurbished older kit. With many quick starts and equally quick stops to modernization. With much of their modern kit being loaners from the Russian Federation. Seeing as how most of their Defense industry was abandoned in the old DDR. This keeps them relatively well armed, but not strong enough to stand up to Russia.
Thus the keeping of the older style helmet. They have tons in storage, they are distinct, and are considered Symbolic as well. But there have been slight nods to modernization with better straps, improved ballistic lining, and hearing protection. This make them heaver, but hey the bean counters don't have to wear them. lol
I think I'll keep the uniform the same. But will experiment with a digital style. They might end up looking a little like the USMC desert pattern. But grey green and grey kit instead of coyote brown.
As for vehicles, I do have a T-55AM hanging out. I am thinking of adding a remote turret to the command hatch to replace the poor quality DShK that came with it. I have the 3 BTR 60s that I got for my Cold war project. So they will pull double duty.
But I also have 2 BTR80A2s from Empress so They will be for the politically reliable units Say the Luftsturm Brigade 40.
(I am saying its the most modern of the Ground forces and Patterned on the Russian 45th Guards Spetznaz Brigade. So mostly professionals and long service politicly reliable conscripts. Airborne, Air Assault, Raid, recon, internal security and counter insurgency force. With its first Battalion, "Fallschirmjägerbataillon 2" filling the role of Direct action, raids, Spec ops style stuff)
And I will track down some BMPs for the Panzer Units.
Might pick up a GAZ Tiger for the VolksPolizei or Felix Dzerzhinsky Guards Regiment, internal security being paramount.
For Air Craft, I have a few Hinds, Mi-2s, And a Ka-50. The Hokum being the more modern of all of that. So might use one of the Hinds and Mi-2s for the modern version and keep the other ones for the cold war gone hot thing.
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Well made a few more last night. The ultra modern segment will have to wait for a week or two while the orders from TAG and Shapeways to arrive.
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I will get back to working on the regular NVA and maybe move my UltraModern dudes to a post page.
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Found this on a TW2000 page. So I guess when I get back to this project, I will need to make a Beilin Brigade VW Beetle. :D
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Hmm. Never saw one of those during my all-expense paid 3-year vacation to the BRD. Then again, I didn't get up to Berlin while there. All we had like that were puke-green Chrysler K-Cars...
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Found this on a TW2000 page. So I guess when I get back to this project, I will need to make a Beilin Brigade VW Beetle. :D
Cute but what you really want is an East German Trabbie Kubel. The Germans have a passion for converting marginal performance front wheel drive vehicles into jeep substitutes
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Cute but what you really want is an East German Trabbie Kubel. The Germans have a passion for converting marginal performance front wheel drive vehicles into jeep substitutes
it's looks horrible, that means I need on. lol
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Hmm. Never saw one of those during my all-expense paid 3-year vacation to the BRD. Then again, I didn't get up to Berlin while there. All we had like that were puke-green Chrysler K-Cars...
My folks picked up two of them when we first stationed in Ramstine in 86. They were always breaking down and were a lovely shade of burnt orange. :D
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Cute but what you really want is an East German Trabbie Kubel. The Germans have a passion for converting marginal performance front wheel drive vehicles into jeep substitutes
Haha, that reminds me of the Western equivalent, the Munga.
https://www.menzels-lokschuppen.de/out/pictures/master/product/5/1461-tg5055_5.jpg
Looking forward to what vehicles will appear!
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Also sorry to noit have responded on the camo question above, but this site (albeit in german) provides a few good photos of camouflage material of the GDR as well as some unique rarely seen ones. Hope it helps!
https://www.tierfreunde-luebben.de/44101.html
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My folks picked up two of them when we first stationed in Ramstine in 86. They were always breaking down and were a lovely shade of burnt orange. :D
Well, you know what the ads said. ‘If you can find a better car, buy it!’ Obviously your parents failed to heed their advice. :D
If it makes you feel any better, the absolute apogee of US car design, at least in my experience, was probably the Chevy Corsa. I had the pleasure of being in one in the middle of nowhere in Brazil.* This particular Chevy, albeit Brazilian manufactured, suffered a series of faults and its final meltdown was preceded by all of the electric windows failing….just as we were hit by a tropical storm of Biblical proportions. I’d say about 2 inches of rain fell in about twenty minutes, most of which seemed to fall inside the car. After that the car lost all interest in automative function. Oh well, by that time it had failed as a tent, let alone a car. Of course I’ve never driven an Edsel or a Pinto.
* Almost literally, about 100 km east of the Araguaia River.
There’s a 1/43 diecast Trabbie Kubel out there if you are interested.
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Well, you know what the ads said. ‘If you can find a better car, buy it!’ Obviously your parents failed to heed their advice. :D
If it makes you feel any better, the absolute apogee of US car design, at least in my experience, was probably the Chevy Corsa. I had the pleasure of being in one in the middle of nowhere in Brazil.* This particular Chevy, albeit Brazilian manufactured, suffered a series of faults and its final meltdown was preceded by all of the electric windows failing….just as we were hit by a tropical storm of Biblical proportions. I’d say about 2 inches of rain fell in about twenty minutes, most of which seemed to fall inside the car. After that the car lost all interest in automative function. Oh well, by that time it had failed as a tent, let alone a car. Of course I’ve never driven an Edsel or a Pinto.
* Almost literally, about 100 km east of the Araguaia River.
There’s a 1/43 diecast Trabbie Kubel out there if you are interested.
Hell i would be interested, and just tracked down a few for cheap on Ebay. Thanks for pointing that out.
And yeah, that wasn't their first chose of transportation. My dad had to leave his Shelby Cobra State side when we got posted to Germany in care of a friend. (Who later stole it, lots of drama there) And we had to wait for his Ford Ranger to arrive with the rest of are household goods almost a year after we arrived in country.
My mom wound up driving I think a BMW 3 Series tell she picked up a SAAB.
If memory Serves an old E28 built in 83 was my first car in 2002. Had a lot of get up and go, just had to watch out in the passenger side seat, the floor had rusted out where your feet were supposed to go. lol
But if never left me stranded on the side of the road at least.