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Miniatures Adventure => Pikes, Muskets and Flouncy Shirts => Topic started by: Katsuhiko JiNNai on May 09, 2020, 03:55:59 PM
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I've ordered some cheap maya buildings (Amera Plastics Pyramid and Hape Mayan Pyramids) and accessories (Scotia Grendel Aztec Ruins) and I'm planning to buy some maya warriors too (probably from Gringo40s), for my SOLO Pulp games (particulary Palaeo Pulp, but Pulp Alley too). I thought about an early alternative history XVI century of italian "Conquistatori" (Italian translation of "Conquistadores") lead by the revenant Cesare Borgia (seeking for a new domain or gold to fund a new campaign in Italy).
During their adventures the "Conquistatori" could met lost world dinosaurs (one captured and tamed by Cesare and used as his mount), Lost Mayan cities (Eldorado) and maybe more. I've seen a nice topic (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=120265.0) about the colors of the uniforms that is assumed Borgia army used, then I will use crimson/yellow for the paint scheme of the borgia's "Conquistatori" while gold for the armor and mask of the alternative Cesare Borgia.
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/238081995375247362/635986939413004288/unknown.png)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/89/50/45/89504534186b00f6f39a54c2c81aa6c2.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/72/7b/c8/727bc8716cdc65d399f962ae32d9aafb.jpg)
Here the miniatures I'm planning to use, all from Mirliton, two Dark Elves (as an alternative Cesare Borgia) and some early XVI century reinassance italians:
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Interesting mix of the historical, the fantastic and the truly bizarre. For some reason the cavaliero on the dinosaur reminds me of an old song...
Joe Blow from Kokomo riding on a buffalo
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Glad to be of help! Louis XII's liveries tend to be a fairly safe bet for any Cesare Borgia forces, though I've also read that Cesare made a few variations as well, such as having the name "CESARE" sewn onto the front and back of the livery as well, if you were feeling ambitious!
I think I remember reading somewhere as well that he also maintained a bodyguard of crossbowmen who had a black livery with the CESARE in silver thread, but I can't for the life of me remember where I read that!
Looking forward to seeing yours painted up
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Initially I was considering the "Assassin's Creed" borgia uniforms paint scheme, but later i decided to investigate about the historical uniforms and I liked the idea of a red/yellow paint scheme ;) I read too something about black velvet uniforms and some with morello (between violet and black) and yellow colors too, but during some early 1500-1501 parades.
I've sent my order to Mirliton, now I must wait to receive confirm, pay and then finally receive it and begin my painting.
I've seen several portraits of Cesare Borgia and seem that he could have probably light brown hair, then I think I will paint it in that color (vermin brown from citadel)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Cesare_Borgia_as_child.jpg/220px-Cesare_Borgia_as_child.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Ritratto_di_Cesare_Borgia%2C_Sebastiano_del_Piombo.jpg/466px-Ritratto_di_Cesare_Borgia%2C_Sebastiano_del_Piombo.jpg)
As yet wrote zippyfusenet, it will be a nice mix of the historical, the fantastic and the truly bizarre. It could fit well in the Warhammer background too. ;)
HappyChappy439, the Borgia flags you used, are your printed work or you bought them from some manufacturer?
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HappyChappy439, the Borgia flags you used, are your printed work or you bought them from some manufacturer?
I got them from Pete's Flags on Ebay, there's a sheet of Borgia flags they do:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/28mm-Medieval-Renaissance-Italian-Flags-Borgia/254202038547
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I love the concept! I'll definitely be keeping an eye on this project.
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While I'm waiting my mirliton miniatures, I've painted a Landsknecht Swordswoman that I bought some time ago. She could be a german mercenary in service of Cesare Borgia. It's yet an alternative history/fantasy background, then a female Landsknecht is not a problem. ;) Then I tried the crimson/yellow paint scheme.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MHk52IL6VY4/Xrks6mkUpfI/AAAAAAAAEwo/bV_zjj5Jwh0rPvqQzHKSNT8gy-1xljIsACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/STA79753.JPG)
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Have you taken a look at Antediluvian Miniatures' fantasy conquistador range? They have some figures that would fit right into this:
https://antediluvianminiatures.wordpress.com/2019/03/27/shop-conquistadors-of-mictlan/
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Have you taken a look at Antediluvian Miniatures' fantasy conquistador range? They have some figures that would fit right into this:
https://antediluvianminiatures.wordpress.com/2019/03/27/shop-conquistadors-of-mictlan/
Yes I've yet seen them, quite interesting miniatures. Actually I'm considering which mayan miniatures to buy, the gringo40s seem nice, they are quite ispired by the Apocalypto film, then I suppose they are less historically accurate, and this it could be nice considering that I'm looking for a alternative history pulp/fantasy background. I've some aztec novices that could be nice too. Outpost wargames do a nice range of mayan, but they are really small. I was considering for some Txacala allies or explorers for the Borgia's Conquistatori too.
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More of a Landsmaid, innit? Fantastic work on that figure. She must have scary shoulders and arms under that blouse.
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Very nice painting on the female Landschnekt. I do think that she will have trouble swinging that big sword round the obvious obstructions. :D :D
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Thanks, now I'm looking to repaint an alternative "cardinal" I painted some time ago (see picture attached).
It could be a nice addition to the Borgia's Conquistatori. Maybe he could be a renegade priest with necromancer skills (failed "lazarus" spell?)
(https://artesenzaconfini.myblog.it/media/01/02/90739552.jpg)
I've seen that Assault group have some nice Reinassance Undead too.
(https://theassaultgroup.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/zombies-1000x700.jpg)
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I quite enjoy the mix of Renaissance style with the pulp and vampire themes. Looking forward to seeing how your army progresses.
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Here the repainted cardinal:
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-b5ibM4V3iNo/XsHMSXKuYcI/AAAAAAAAExM/3XeJhwv_E401FAY0pGEWd6sVp7WK2ZhGQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/STA79780.JPG)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-e2IUUV8Jf9Q/XsHMWAzW9UI/AAAAAAAAExQ/NI0OpxTyZFUh5VaBl8rOYebOaUxvEhGcgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/STA79782.JPG)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xmDtoJzoFiI/XsHMdkuwYDI/AAAAAAAAExU/aV2qql1_-bMcCZpsdNSyxXiurIH9Q0fXwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Juan_de_Borja_Llan%25C3%25A7ol_de_Roman%25C3%25AD%252C_el_mayor.jpg)
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Great vibrant colours!
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Thanks :)
I received the Mirliton miniatures, then I finally will begin to paint them. Here Cesare Borgia on foot.
He will lead his group of reinassance (1507-1530) italian "Conquistatori" (Conquistadores) to pulp adventures in Central America.
Next I will paint a reinassance halberdier, arquebusier and crossbowman.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-j9f28mu0uMI/XsxZNF1WF7I/AAAAAAAAEyM/eBeZhrgo4zsDL6OOYyB3j0VJrfhEVHbFQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/STA79820.JPG)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8eBc50NBnfY/XsxZNAnlYoI/AAAAAAAAEyQ/BxfAbXSO-uE09Niz6BxgFxxzL01gnXg9QCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/STA79822.JPG)
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Lovely brushwork!
How do you manage your off-white colours, like on the cardinal's mask, and Cesare's boots/gloves? It looks great
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Lovely brushwork!
How do you manage your off-white colours, like on the cardinal's mask, and Cesare's boots/gloves? It looks great
Thanks :) Nothing of special just a base of citadel karak stone (cesare gloves) or tallarn sand (cardinal mask), washes of agrax earthshade, then several highlights of the same base color mixed with white until pure white and a final little light washes of agrax earthshade just where needed.
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I painted an halberdier, arquebusier and crossbowman for the group of "Conquistatori" lead by Cesare Borgia.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RyqG7H7sHGI/Xs2Uv78ekRI/AAAAAAAAEy0/SyZ4JT7mLR0Q-0VbtkYAZvkP27RmrmoAwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/STA79827.JPG)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QXeO92bLOSM/Xs2UmLj1SKI/AAAAAAAAEyw/8wnQsPy3UNwrOAymPmLeHpp_Dtqq-U7WACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/STA79830.JPG)
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Absolutely gorgeous! (figata!).
I'm sloooowly doing a similar renaissance/fantasy project, just a little bit later period (second half of the XVI century), and italian themed, but it's a really fun thing :)
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Thanks :)
More minions for Cesare Borgia: a Falconetto cannon with artillery crew, another alberdier, arquibusier and crossbowman.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9847sqYQIY0/XtG7ncZf5zI/AAAAAAAAEzI/zWj6Tvcvnl8IkKlNrX3Npx8ePZD1o6jkwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/STA79845.JPG)
The "Conquistatori" are growing, he a group shot. Next I will paint Cesare Borgia on Raptor.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-C71nKS5kvLc/XtG7qqdlNGI/AAAAAAAAEzM/e01WU6ziIB8soF-FAGMzqdQLreVB7dtWACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/STA79855.JPG)
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Today I played four of my "Conquistatori", here the battle report:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=124926.0
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I painted Cesare Borgia on a "Dragone" (Dragon). I painted his mask with a jade paint scheme as it was a maya jade mask.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-N58L_3oiTBk/XtTq_cbVemI/AAAAAAAAE0k/6LKgKLbiT8wjJca1oQCXhZJ-dN8JH0l9QCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/STA79858.JPG)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JaUXMn99RXY/XtTrDCFfajI/AAAAAAAAE0o/Ocv6WR21vAEk9aDJsxNe01M0o3aVJxH8wCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/STA79866.JPG)
A maya jade mask
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-63eDNFnkI-M/XtTr7U7lpVI/AAAAAAAAE1A/jdnOTClfFIIS9Ispf3n0EhnyNgD7OtMxQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/unnamed.jpg)
I was not satisfied about the gold mask of Cesare on foot, then I repainted it ispired by the venetian mask "moretta" as I yet did with the cardinal's mak, ispired by the venetian mask "Bauta".
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rYr6iKtMMUY/XtTrI7Ojl1I/AAAAAAAAE0s/Y8NdtG3fVKUmc9N1HyMzHExPkyhpxev8wCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/STA79862.JPG)
Here a picture of the venetian mask "moretta"
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cFUtQ1-n_sg/XtTrbVdu27I/AAAAAAAAE04/kvtSs4Dz0kkwtGbpdQxZr0nSzUYHZLu3ACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/moretta-mask.jpg)
Here a group shot with jungle background.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-B2JeUxf4M_g/XtTsJC94l5I/AAAAAAAAE1E/hJ0pe2_C-IkD-8Hl2y_r_UZJE7J6e_0swCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/P1060337.JPG)
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Taking into account that the Borgia family were Valencians (and thus "Spaniards", although they came from a different kingdom than Castille so they had no place in America, but who cares), that the Knights Hospitalier of Malta stablished a (short-lived) colony in the Caribbean, that the Pontifician States sent troops to fight in Ireland and that Cesare was literally a conqueror (I think Machiavelli hoped that he would at last unite Italy), your concept is quite credible. Keep it moving!
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I really like this theme of Pulp adventures. A definite and colorful twist! Fits well with the Hernando de Soto research I am doing now, as well... lol
Mike Demana
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Thanks :)
Next miniatures I will paint for borgia will be a drummer, standard bearer with borgia flag and another artillery crew.
Then the miniatures I bought for the "Conquistatori" should be all painted. Maybe I will like to include a "Michelotto" assassin character as the sidekick of borgia.
I was considering for more adventurers/goons for my Palaeo Pulp games, the Knight Hospitallers were one of my options too as other Conquistadores (rivals of Borgia), of course.
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A wonderful collection.