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Title: Warlord Resin, Is It SioCast, Or?
Post by: wmyers on June 27, 2020, 10:51:28 PM
As the title asks, are the newish Warlord Resin figures SioCast like the newest 15mm recasts by PSC?

(Mod edit: corrected for clarity)
Title: Re: Warlord Resin, Is It Sinocast, Or?
Post by: Shahbahraz on June 28, 2020, 11:35:57 AM
As the title asks, are the newish Warlord Resin figures sinocast like the newest 15mm recasts by PSC?

Whats sinocast?
Title: Re: Warlord Resin, Is It Sinocast, Or?
Post by: FifteensAway on June 28, 2020, 02:24:00 PM
Heck if I know but maybe it means cast in China?  Like Sino-Soviet conflict would be between China and Russia.  ???
Title: Re: Warlord Resin, Is It Sinocast, Or?
Post by: Storm Wolf on June 28, 2020, 02:25:47 PM
Whats sinocast?

Or a species of Woolly Mammoth that died out because of hereditary sinus problems? :D
Title: Re: Warlord Resin, Is It Sinocast, Or?
Post by: WuZhuiQiu on June 28, 2020, 03:39:51 PM
I think that he may have meant "SioCast".
Title: Re: Warlord Resin, Is It Sinocast, Or?
Post by: FifteensAway on June 28, 2020, 06:09:32 PM
Ah, that is almost certainly it.  So, that is why the proliferation of plastic molded figures. 

I still - and will always - prefer metal. 

We already have too much plastic pollution on the planet and this just exacerbates that (and, yes, I know metal is from an extractive industry and frought with its own problems but at least it will more readily decay or at least not pollute).  Now, the acrylic paints we use, that too is also a problem.  Always trade offs, want this, pay that - and 'that' is more than the purchase price.

Title: Re: Warlord Resin, Is It Sinocast, Or?
Post by: wmyers on June 29, 2020, 03:54:53 AM
iOS autocorrect.  Sorry. Yes, siocast like PSC is using for their 15mm recasts.

It’s good to see a sense of humour on here!
Title: Re: Warlord Resin, Is It SioCast, Or?
Post by: Firescale Whack on June 29, 2020, 09:55:19 PM
I have only seen pictures online of the Warlord and PSC siocast stuff and they both look similar to the soft plastic toy soldiers from Esci or Airfix.

I understand why Warlord are producing them this way but why are they the same cost as metal figures if they are cheaper to produce? If they are the same cost to me the buyer I am always going to choose a reliable metal alternative.
Title: Re: Warlord Resin, Is It SioCast, Or?
Post by: Elbows on June 30, 2020, 12:20:53 AM
Battlefront is going this way with their "thermoplastic" infantry...which, while "okay" are absolutely not on par with their hard plastic infantry that I've picked up.  The reviews I watches of PSC's new stuff for Battlegroup NORTHAG put me off the game entirely.  The thermoplastic Soviets I have on hand paint up fine, but lack heavily in detail - particularly on support weapons, cases, and lack the fine detail of the 15mm Soviets from the same company which are...shockingly good.
Title: Re: Warlord Resin, Is It Sinocast, Or?
Post by: jetengine on July 03, 2020, 09:32:51 AM
Ah, that is almost certainly it.  So, that is why the proliferation of plastic molded figures. 

I still - and will always - prefer metal. 

We already have too much plastic pollution on the planet and this just exacerbates that (and, yes, I know metal is from an extractive industry and frought with its own problems but at least it will more readily decay or at least not pollute).  Now, the acrylic paints we use, that too is also a problem.  Always trade offs, want this, pay that - and 'that' is more than the purchase price.

Nothing about this hobby is eco-friendly
Title: Re: Warlord Resin, Is It SioCast, Or?
Post by: Shahbahraz on July 03, 2020, 07:29:35 PM
Battlefront is going this way with their "thermoplastic" infantry...which, while "okay" are absolutely not on par with their hard plastic infantry that I've picked up.  The reviews I watches of PSC's new stuff for Battlegroup NORTHAG put me off the game entirely.  The thermoplastic Soviets I have on hand paint up fine, but lack heavily in detail - particularly on support weapons, cases, and lack the fine detail of the 15mm Soviets from the same company which are...shockingly good.

I'm hanging on to my box of plastic PSC 'Modern' Soviet Infantry.. when all of you only have access to resin I will sell it for a lot of money :)
Title: Re: Warlord Resin, Is It Sinocast, Or?
Post by: Elbows on July 04, 2020, 05:35:45 PM
Nothing about this hobby is eco-friendly

Nothing about this hobby is particularly eco-evil, either.  It pales in comparison to plastic food packaging, or almost anything else plastic people own.
Title: Re: Warlord Resin, Is It SioCast, Or?
Post by: WuZhuiQiu on July 04, 2020, 07:26:11 PM
Regardless of any environmental advantages or disadvantages, I'd be reluctant to buy anything made from SioCast because of its apparent properties as a material.
Title: Re: Warlord Resin, Is It SioCast, Or?
Post by: Mammoth miniatures on July 04, 2020, 09:35:08 PM
I hadn't heard of siocast specifically before , but it seems their system is a reworked version of a jewellers wax injection machine, even using the same slab cut vulcanised mould.
It's very odd that they seem to be marketing mostly too miniature manufacturers, Since I'd imagine small scale plastic injection moulding to be of interest to a far larger field.
Title: Re: Warlord Resin, Is It SioCast, Or?
Post by: N.C.S.E on July 05, 2020, 04:25:20 AM
Regardless of any environmental advantages or disadvantages, I'd be reluctant to buy anything made from SioCast because of its apparent properties as a material.

I've been using Warlord resin for the first time recently. Beautiful detailing, but rather than bend or break cleanly with metal or plastic seems to have a habit of several pieces breaking off when dropped. Rather annoying.
Title: Re: Warlord Resin, Is It SioCast, Or?
Post by: Codsticker on July 06, 2020, 07:36:36 PM
I have some beautiful resin minis from Avanpost and Brother Vinni and they are indeed fragile. :(
Title: Re: Warlord Resin, Is It SioCast, Or?
Post by: syrinx0 on July 07, 2020, 02:37:22 AM
I have the new Judge Dredd warlord resin/plastic models.  They seem pliable and but sturdy (don't file them though).  Our the warlord lines being discussed different?
Title: Re: Warlord Resin, Is It SioCast, Or?
Post by: Mammoth miniatures on July 07, 2020, 12:06:32 PM
I have the new Judge Dredd warlord resin/plastic models.  They seem pliable and but sturdy (don't file them though).  Our the warlord lines being discussed different?

When you say don't file them , is that because they file too easily, or do they tend to bur up and make a big mess?
Title: Re: Warlord Resin, Is It SioCast, Or?
Post by: Mammoth miniatures on July 07, 2020, 12:45:31 PM
I emailed the company and just got a reply -
the system cost between 50-60,000 euros.
It uses a proprietary resin/plastic.
they say it uses proprietary rubber, although to me that looks EXACTLY like jewelers molding rubber.
their proprietary rubber still requires external vulcanization so you still need that equipment.

So yeah, all things considered I don't see it replacing centrifugal casting for small manufacturers any time soon, And given the low yield per mould compared to injection moulding (rubber moulds will need to be replaced with far greater frequency that steel ones.) I don't see it being cost effective for larger companies.

I'm sure there's a sweet spot somewhere for mid range manufactures trying to make resin style casts in greater quantity.
Title: Re: Warlord Resin, Is It SioCast, Or?
Post by: 6milPhil on July 07, 2020, 12:51:10 PM
They seem pliable and but sturdy (don't file them though). 

Why shouldn't you file them?
Title: Re: Warlord Resin, Is It SioCast, Or?
Post by: WuZhuiQiu on July 07, 2020, 02:35:12 PM
Why shouldn't you file them?

Although I have not worked with the material, my guess is that filing it would lift fibrous strands...
Title: Re: Warlord Resin, Is It SioCast, Or?
Post by: Antonio J Carrasco on July 07, 2020, 03:22:19 PM
Why shouldn't you file them?

Perhaps because resin powder is known to be toxic when breathed?  ???
Title: Re: Warlord Resin, Is It SioCast, Or?
Post by: syrinx0 on July 08, 2020, 01:55:12 AM
Why shouldn't you file them?

I found filing the Dredd resin figures caused more issues than it resolved.  They tended to grate the surface and leave "strings".  A sharp blade removed what flash there was much better and cleanly.   Maybe my file was too rough or my figures were unusual but it's not like any resin I have ever used before (GW, Forgeword, Hasselfree..).  I do not have Warlord WWII figures so I can't compare.
Title: Re: Warlord Resin, Is It SioCast, Or?
Post by: 6milPhil on July 08, 2020, 01:14:10 PM
Although I have not worked with the material, my guess is that filing it would lift fibrous strands...

Thanks.

Perhaps because resin powder is known to be toxic when breathed?  ???

It's an incredibly small amount, and that's true of any dust inhaled isn't it?

I found filing the Dredd resin figures caused more issues than it resolved.  They tended to grate the surface and leave "strings".  A sharp blade removed what flash there was much better and cleanly.   Maybe my file was too rough or my figures were unusual but it's not like any resin I have ever used before (GW, Forgeword, Hasselfree..).  I do not have Warlord WWII figures so I can't compare.

Sounds dreddful. ;) Not what you need really.  :o