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Miniatures Adventure => Age of Myths, Gods and Empires => Topic started by: Patonius on July 11, 2020, 01:29:56 AM

Title: Early Imperial Roman - Victrix and Warlord
Post by: Patonius on July 11, 2020, 01:29:56 AM
Love the Victrix figures, and use them for Carthaginians, Spanish and Numidians.

How do the Early Imperial Romans compare to Warlord's?

I would like to use both, predominately Victrix for the legion, auxilia and generals, but would like to use Warlord for the Archers and Praetorians - are they going to look good in the same army (not within the same unit)?

Cheers

Darren
Title: Re: Early Imperial Roman - Victrix and Warlord
Post by: SJWi on July 11, 2020, 05:32:36 AM
Hi Darren, I can't speak specifically about the Warlord/Victrix comparison for Roman figures but I can compare their Celts/Gauls.  I had what I presume is the same problem as you do. Victrix provide the core troops but not the "specialists".  I found Warlord's Gallic archers were OK with Victrix warrior units.  They would have looked out-of-place mixed in the same unit but in the same army no problem.

Also, you have to get those archers from somewhere and I don't think Victrix plan to release any. 
Title: Re: Early Imperial Roman - Victrix and Warlord
Post by: Patonius on July 11, 2020, 07:07:27 AM
Ta - that's what I was thinking.

Cheers

Darren
Title: Re: Early Imperial Roman - Victrix and Warlord
Post by: Tim Haslam on July 11, 2020, 08:06:16 AM
I’m just putting an all auxiliary force together myself!

I’m using Victrix for infantry and cavalry, Warlord for archers and a bolt thrower.
Firstly, the plastic from Victrix is superb, but fiddly. That’s the draw back of any plastic kit though. The attention to detail is again superb.
Warlord are really nice figures too.
But there is a size difference, in fact quite considerably so!
The Warlord auxiliary archers are like hobbits by comparison. This is exasperated by the fact that half of them are kneeling.

If I’m honest it really doesn’t bother me, as I’m not mixing them together, the figures are really nice sculpts too. So I’m sure when finished it won’t be a big deal.
Weirdly the Warlord auxiliary plastics are quite big (I’ve owned a pack of these in the past)
They have very dynamic poses though and I prefer the more relaxed Victrix models.

I notice Victrix sells actual Legionary models in two separate sets, one dynamic poses the other marching.
Title: Re: Early Imperial Roman - Victrix and Warlord
Post by: SJWi on July 11, 2020, 09:53:50 AM
As well as Warlord I would recommend you check out the Aventine Imperial Roman range. Very nice figures,
Title: Re: Early Imperial Roman - Victrix and Warlord
Post by: Poiter50 on July 11, 2020, 11:43:25 AM
Aventine are currently accepting no further orders as II has caused a flood that they are unable to cope with.  lol
Title: Re: Early Imperial Roman - Victrix and Warlord
Post by: Wellyboots on July 11, 2020, 06:18:37 PM
Love the Victrix figures, and use them for Carthaginians, Spanish and Numidians.

How do the Early Imperial Romans compare to Warlord's?

I would like to use both, predominately Victrix for the legion, auxilia and generals, but would like to use Warlord for the Archers and Praetorians - are they going to look good in the same army (not within the same unit)?

Cheers

Darren

I’ve recently taken a picture of my earlier and Victrix legionnaires and there’s a bit of a size
Left to right warlord legionnaires, warlord auxiliaries, victrix legionnaires


Hope this post works


Cheers Chris
Title: Re: Early Imperial Roman - Victrix and Warlord
Post by: wmyers on July 11, 2020, 11:39:11 PM
Here are some direct comparisons of Victrix to Warlord EIR.

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Wygd5BYh6Hs/WYeewlLpqTI/AAAAAAAAGsk/30DYP6t6OPQi99bJMuYZcrIEGxhI4JL-gCLcBGAs/s1600/DSC_0567.JPG)

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MJjiBlcq79M/WYeexvTDdUI/AAAAAAAAGs0/WLHl53iw_UUOsI9XpJ6p8C71W8d21PwrgCLcBGAs/s1600/DSC_0572.JPG)

From:  http://psychosispc-themadhouseworkshop.blogspot.com/2017/08/early-imperial-roman-legionaries.html?m=1 (http://psychosispc-themadhouseworkshop.blogspot.com/2017/08/early-imperial-roman-legionaries.html?m=1)
Title: Re: Early Imperial Roman - Victrix and Warlord
Post by: SJWi on July 12, 2020, 04:59:35 AM
Wow, these last two posts show much bigger variations than I have seen before.  I know that Victrix are at the larger end of 28mm as I have some myself. Are the Warlord plastics particularly small even compared to their own metal ranges? Do they vary from range to range and box to box?
 
Title: Re: Early Imperial Roman - Victrix and Warlord
Post by: cadbren on July 12, 2020, 06:22:52 AM
Only their EIR are small, auxiliaries, barbarian plastics are more like Victrix in size. I think the EIR plastic scorpion set is larger too.
Title: Re: Early Imperial Roman - Victrix and Warlord
Post by: Tim Haslam on July 12, 2020, 08:06:51 AM
I bought the plastic scorpion set too from warlord, and that is the same small size.
I’ve put converted auxiliary crew on it, so I’m not that worried.

All the figures above are nice figures, and I would be happy with any of the sets.
Fortunately as an experienced gamer I’m fully aware of the size difference between these sets so it’s not a problem.
I do however feel sorry for someone who maybe completely new to gaming who’s never rolled a dice or painted a figure in his/her life, as this could prove very confusing.
Title: Re: Early Imperial Roman - Victrix and Warlord
Post by: Digits on July 12, 2020, 09:36:37 AM
Does anyone know if Victrix plan to do archers?

For that matter can anyone put up a picture of Warlord western archers against Victrix auxiliaries  please?
Title: Re: Early Imperial Roman - Victrix and Warlord
Post by: Tim Haslam on July 12, 2020, 02:46:54 PM
Not at this moment, but if you check out the last picture above of the two standard bearers your not a million miles away.
The difference is quite remarkable.
It doesn’t look wrong using the 3’ rule.
Title: Re: Early Imperial Roman - Victrix and Warlord
Post by: Tonhel on July 12, 2020, 03:38:35 PM
Does anyone know if Victrix plan to do archers?

For that matter can anyone put up a picture of Warlord western archers against Victrix auxiliaries  please?

Victrix said that they will do archers, it's just a question when. The confirmed released for this year are Dacians, Persians (big range), Norman infantry and maybe Baverians. Then next year I expect  Norman cavalry, Roman Archers, Romano-British and etc... .
Title: Re: Early Imperial Roman - Victrix and Warlord
Post by: Digits on July 12, 2020, 03:47:54 PM
Thanks guys.  Btw...that standard bearer pic looks like bring your kid to work day!  :D
Title: Re: Early Imperial Roman - Victrix and Warlord
Post by: turgidprose on July 13, 2020, 12:22:55 AM
Warlord archers, Victrix  auxiliaries and a bonus Victrix legionary and Wargames Foundry auxiliary:


Vic L, Warlord archer, Vic aux, Warlord archer,  Vic aux, Foundry aux.






Hopefully the photo attached ok (haven't tried it from a tablet before)


I think the delayed archers set was also supposed to include scorpios
Title: Re: Early Imperial Roman - Victrix and Warlord
Post by: cadbren on July 13, 2020, 08:40:21 AM
You must be in Australia.
Title: Re: Early Imperial Roman - Victrix and Warlord
Post by: Atheling on July 13, 2020, 09:40:18 AM
You must be in Australia.

 lol

Title: Re: Early Imperial Roman - Victrix and Warlord
Post by: turgidprose on July 13, 2020, 10:05:58 AM
Someone had to say it!  :D

(Turned the right way up when I  clicked it)
Title: Re: Early Imperial Roman - Victrix and Warlord
Post by: Atheling on July 13, 2020, 11:00:38 AM
Someone had to say it!  :D

(Turned the right way up when I  clicked it)

Thanks for that  8)
Title: Re: Early Imperial Roman - Victrix and Warlord
Post by: Fremitus Borealis on July 13, 2020, 11:46:16 AM
Wow yeah, that's quite a difference. I myself have noticed a large size discrepancy between Warlord ranges, as well. My Victrix Successor/Macedonian phalangites and Warlord Macedonian phalangites are effectively the exact same size, whereas both absolutely dwarf my Warlord Classical hoplites. I'm not aware of any vast increases in nutrition between those couple of centuries, but you wouldn't know it from the figures  :D
Title: Re: Early Imperial Roman - Victrix and Warlord
Post by: levied troop on July 13, 2020, 12:42:57 PM
Thanks for that Turgid, I have Foundry and was thinking of expanding a little.
Some of those sizes are quite ridiculous, even under the three foot rule.
Title: Re: Early Imperial Roman - Victrix and Warlord
Post by: wmyers on July 13, 2020, 05:11:40 PM
Thanks for that Turgid, I have Foundry and was thinking of expanding a little.
Some of those sizes are quite ridiculous, even under the three foot rule.

Do you have Foundry EIR? 

I had gotten Warlord EIR years ago and just let them sit in their boxes.  They were so small ...

Then I acquired a lot off of Ebay (turns out it was from a storage locker) and it included a LOT of Foundry EIR.  They match the Warlord EIR so that inspired me to finally start on the Warlord EIR. 

They don't match my other figures, but I put a penny under the them when I base them to help "elevate" them so they don't look that out of place ...
Title: Re: Early Imperial Roman - Victrix and Warlord
Post by: levied troop on July 13, 2020, 08:04:27 PM
Mine are the Caesarian Romans, although I may add some Imperials to the force.
A coin would improve the height but the overall heft of the figures still looks wrong to me and the size of equipment may be a factor.  I might need to wait for a wargames show to  restart to do a detailed comparison :)
Title: Re: Early Imperial Roman - Victrix and Warlord
Post by: wmyers on July 13, 2020, 08:40:18 PM
Mine are the Caesarian Romans, although I may add some Imperials to the force.
A coin would improve the height but the overall heft of the figures still looks wrong to me and the size of equipment may be a factor.  I might need to wait for a wargames show to  restart to do a detailed comparison :)

The Foundry Caesarean Romans work exceptionally well with the Warlord Caesarean Romans! 

Especially if you trim off the plumes from the Warlord Caesarean Romans. 

Wargames Factory Caesarean Romans fit well with the Foundry Caesarean Romans as well.

This size comparison might help:

https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=38197.0 (https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=38197.0)
Title: Re: Early Imperial Roman - Victrix and Warlord
Post by: levied troop on July 14, 2020, 07:26:43 AM
Lockdown must be affecting me, how did I miss that!
Thanks Wmyers, I feel an order coming on.